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Reply #26 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 11:35am

gimmekeef wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 11:15am:

hell for the right ticket price many could sell out stadiums....Imagine how fast Stones would sell if best few rows were $250 then scaled from $149 down to nose bleeds at $50?

With a $100 average price they could come close to U2 and outsell Springsteen. We're talking $5-7 million nightly grosses. No more hard selling hustles to get rid of the lousier high priced seats.

$100 GA Floor, $250 close lowers for high rollers who don't want to stand up all night or mix with the proletariat, the rest $50-100.

Maybe set aside $50,000 to 100,000 for a strong opener to make the show more inviting to people like me who are now relunctant to spend a lot of money on just one band.

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Reply #27 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 11:48am

ijwthstd wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 11:35am:

gimmekeef wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 11:15am:

hell for the right ticket price many could sell out stadiums....Imagine how fast Stones would sell if best few rows were $250 then scaled from $149 down to nose bleeds at $50?

With a $100 average price they could come close to U2 and outsell Springsteen. We're talking $5-7 million nightly grosses. No more hard selling hustles to get rid of the lousier high priced seats.

$100 GA Floor, $250 close lowers for high rollers who don't want to stand up all night or mix with the proletariat, the rest $50-100.

Maybe set aside $50,000 to 100,000 for a strong opener to make the show more inviting to people like me who are now relunctant to spend a lot of money on just one band.

but geez...there is only one band!

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Reply #28 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 2:24pm

Roger Waters, at Citizens Bank Park & Yankee Stadium DID NOT sell out (The gigs are this week and next week in NY & Philly). I dont wanna go to these big venues anymore. Much prefer the little club shows and smaller venues and indoor arenas rather than taking a chance on the excessive heat, rain, thunderstorms and lightning we've been getting alot of in the NE USA. Too risky. Since so many artists are touring now, I pick out the easiest venues to get to and the most bang for the buck. Overpriced, overcrowded stadium shows are not selling out these days, and The Stones are most likely aware of this so hopefully they will choose the venues carefully and price the tickets wisely.

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Reply #29 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 2:57pm

Bitch wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 2:24pm:

Roger Waters, at Citizens Bank Park & Yankee Stadium DID NOT sell out (The gigs are this week and next week in NY & Philly). I dont wanna go to these big venues anymore. Much prefer the little club shows and smaller venues and indoor arenas rather than taking a chance on the excessive heat, rain, thunderstorms and lightning we've been getting alot of in the NE USA. Too risky. Since so many artists are touring now, I pick out the easiest venues to get to and the most bang for the buck. Overpriced, overcrowded stadium shows are not selling out these days, and The Stones are most likely aware of this so hopefully they will choose the venues carefully and price the tickets wisely.

To make room for Waters ego many seats were tarped.............

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Reply #30 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 3:42pm

gimmekeef wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 2:57pm:

Bitch wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 2:24pm:

Roger Waters, at Citizens Bank Park & Yankee Stadium DID NOT sell out (The gigs are this week and next week in NY & Philly). I dont wanna go to these big venues anymore. Much prefer the little club shows and smaller venues and indoor arenas rather than taking a chance on the excessive heat, rain, thunderstorms and lightning we've been getting alot of in the NE USA. Too risky. Since so many artists are touring now, I pick out the easiest venues to get to and the most bang for the buck. Overpriced, overcrowded stadium shows are not selling out these days, and The Stones are most likely aware of this so hopefully they will choose the venues carefully and price the tickets wisely.

To make room for Waters ego many seats were tarped.............

there is no room large enough for his ego!!!

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Reply #33 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 9:05pm

Gazza wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 8:00pm:

Charlie interview from a couple of days ago and a few comments on anniversary plans.

Still somewhat 'up in the air', although they'll probably do 'something' later in the year to mark the event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFHLYqHzDfo&feature=youtu.be

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We/I am grateful for the link and latest comments by Charlie posted. Thanks Gazza.

Now.. Mick and Charlie have been saying they have "many" wonderful things planned for how many months now...? Yet they always go on to say they are not really sure what all it entails ....

What a load of bullocks... either they are full of it or they are in no rush what-so-ever to get anything accomplished. There is simply no real concern of them to create or prepare for any type of set of shows, or recording a record in the immediate future it seems. I wouldn't have a problem with that, but they have been teasing us, saying for months they have all kinds of great things planned and they are casting blurbs here and again about wanting to record. Well then... get to those things - I have seen no move by them in starting to act on any of it (...what ever all these wonderful things are....??)

If they wanted to they could of toured this year. For some reason (I think I understand part of that reason) they never got together and actually focused on it or got down to it. Sure, they met up once or twice but they never got started on anything and that's the extent of it to this point... yet all they ever say is the loads of stuff they got planned coming down the pike. It's been all talking and kicking around options for months on end with no doing, or actually getting started it seems.

Shit or get off the pot boys... either get working on something or do something...or stop talking about it and all the loads of things you've got planned (but aren't sure what they are...??) - (it's pretty irritating at this point).

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Reply #34 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:24am

yep. Reading between the lines, I dont think there's any great uniformity on what they want to do or how they want to do it.

In fairness, all the hot air about their plans or aspirations comes from Keith and Ronnie. Even Charlie, to a point. The reality is that they can be enthusiastic all they want, but nothing's going to happen unless you hear it from Mick. There have always been a lot of ego and power trips in this band, and even when they're pushing 70, that's still the case. Chalk some of it up to being a subtle reminder to Keith - and a little bit of payback - that for all the bitching in his autobiography, they won't be doing anything until Mick decides that he wants to (or if he even wants to at all). A little bit of 'showing him who's boss', perhaps.

Its getting a bit tedious, to be honest. All this will-they, wont-they crap runs the risk of putting people off altogether.

I personally find it hard to get worked up about a record that may not happen and which hasnt been recorded yet or a tour that is at least a year away from being anywhere near where I'll be in attendance.

if it happens, well and good - if it doesnt, well, there's a lot of other live music I can enjoy for a fraction of the price.

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Reply #36 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 1:02pm

Gazza wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:24am:

yep. Reading between the lines, I dont think there's any great uniformity on what they want to do or how they want to do it.

In fairness, all the hot air about their plans or aspirations comes from Keith and Ronnie. Even Charlie, to a point. The reality is that they can be enthusiastic all they want, but nothing's going to happen unless you hear it from Mick. There have always been a lot of ego and power trips in this band, and even when they're pushing 70, that's still the case. Chalk some of it up to being a subtle reminder to Keith - and a little bit of payback - that for all the bitching in his autobiography, they won't be doing anything until Mick decides that he wants to (or if he even wants to at all). A little bit of 'showing him who's boss', perhaps.

Its getting a bit tedious, to be honest. All this will-they, wont-they crap runs the risk of putting people off altogether.

I personally find it hard to get worked up about a record that may not happen and which hasnt been recorded yet or a tour that is at least a year away from being anywhere near where I'll be in attendance.

if it happens, well and good - if it doesnt, well, there's a lot of other live music I can enjoy for a fraction of the price.

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True...but even Mick himself has stated they have all these "wonderful" things planned for the anniversary. I mean sure, I see a book...but that is nothing spectacular. The documentary thing is a cool idear... but no shows... no new stuff... I say get on it or stop talking about it. Possibly those plans may of changed for whatever reason... but now.. as you said, the constant "not sure"..."will they-won't they" could turn folks off ... well it is July... they are having another band meeting... all the way in London... we shall see if infact they truly start on something with a solid plan.

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Reply #38 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 6:42pm

Gazza wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:24am:

yep. Reading between the lines, I dont think there's any great uniformity on what they want to do or how they want to do it.

In fairness, all the hot air about their plans or aspirations comes from Keith and Ronnie. Even Charlie, to a point. The reality is that they can be enthusiastic all they want, but nothing's going to happen unless you hear it from Mick. There have always been a lot of ego and power trips in this band, and even when they're pushing 70, that's still the case. Chalk some of it up to being a subtle reminder to Keith - and a little bit of payback - that for all the bitching in his autobiography, they won't be doing anything until Mick decides that he wants to (or if he even wants to at all). A little bit of 'showing him who's boss', perhaps.

Its getting a bit tedious, to be honest. All this will-they, wont-they crap runs the risk of putting people off altogether.

I personally find it hard to get worked up about a record that may not happen and which hasnt been recorded yet or a tour that is at least a year away from being anywhere near where I'll be in attendance.

if it happens, well and good - if it doesnt, well, there's a lot of other live music I can enjoy for a fraction of the price.

Right. I'm more concerned with planning my own 50th anniversay tour at this point then waiting for the Stones to get their shit together. War horses couldn't drag me away

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Reply #39 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 8:50pm

BILL PERKS wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

REMINDER ,PEOPLE, THAT THERE COULD BE UNERLYING ISSUES PRECLUDING ANY ACTIVITY THAT WE DONT KNOW ABOUT.
DUDES ARE OLD,WITH FAMILIES GETTING OLD.

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I totally understand that and I couldn't agree more Bill. However, they keep saying they got all kinds of stuff planned... and keep throwing hints at playing a show and recording. If something was stopping them from doing such, why continue to comment about all these plans (plans in which they are not yet sure on what they are going to do...but have many things that are to take place ...is my point).

Otherwise I would totally figure and would understand...

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Reply #40 - Jul 5^th, 2012 at 6:56am

Ian Billen wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 8:50pm:

BILL PERKS wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

REMINDER ,PEOPLE, THAT THERE COULD BE UNERLYING ISSUES PRECLUDING ANY ACTIVITY THAT WE DONT KNOW ABOUT.
DUDES ARE OLD,WITH FAMILIES GETTING OLD.

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I totally understand that and I couldn't agree more Bill. However, they keep saying they got all kinds of stuff planned... and keep throwing hints at playing a show and recording. If something was stopping them from doing such, why continue to comment about all these plans (plans in which they are not yet sure on what they are going to do...but have many things that are to take place ...is my point).

Otherwise I would totally figure and would understand...

Ian

1) because saying 'we have something planned' keeps people interested in them in a positive way and aware of their continued existence - even if they're doing nothing to justify it.

2) because saying 'we have nothing planned' sees people lose interest or assume they're retiring or there is something in their personal lives preventing them from working.

The public dont have some kind of 'right' to be told everything in advance or know every move, planned move or change of mind that their favourite media figure makes.

That's a major drawback of the internet. Years ago, it wasn't a big deal to go months on end without knowing what someone is doing. It was a 'need to know' existence. If a band were making a record or doing a tour, you found out when it was officially confirmed.

Now, in the facebook or twitter era, it's got to the other extreme and fans are expecting daily (and even hourly) updates. Not to mention audio and video evidence. I even have had people on IORR insisting that the Stones private jam session in London didnt take place - based solely on the fact that there wasnt a photo, video or a bootleg leaked from it yet! They'd probably have said the same about the one in May, only for the fact that the Stones posed for a photo during it for their facebook page.

Ridiculous and unreasonable levels of expectation, if you ask me.

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Reply #41 - Jul 5^th, 2012 at 3:59pm

Gazza wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 6:56am:

Ian Billen wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 8:50pm:

BILL PERKS wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

REMINDER ,PEOPLE, THAT THERE COULD BE UNERLYING ISSUES PRECLUDING ANY ACTIVITY THAT WE DONT KNOW ABOUT.
DUDES ARE OLD,WITH FAMILIES GETTING OLD.

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I totally understand that and I couldn't agree more Bill. However, they keep saying they got all kinds of stuff planned... and keep throwing hints at playing a show and recording. If something was stopping them from doing such, why continue to comment about all these plans (plans in which they are not yet sure on what they are going to do...but have many things that are to take place ...is my point).

Otherwise I would totally figure and would understand...

Ian

1) because saying 'we have something planned' keeps people interested in them in a positive way and aware of their continued existence - even if they're doing nothing to justify it.

2) because saying 'we have nothing planned' sees people lose interest or assume they're retiring or there is something in their personal lives preventing them from working.

The public dont have some kind of 'right' to be told everything in advance or know every move, planned move or change of mind that their favourite media figure makes.

That's a major drawback of the internet. Years ago, it wasn't a big deal to go months on end without knowing what someone is doing. It was a 'need to know' existence. If a band were making a record or doing a tour, you found out when it was officially confirmed.

Now, in the facebook or twitter era, it's got to the other extreme and fans are expecting daily (and even hourly) updates. Not to mention audio and video evidence. I even have had people on IORR insisting that the Stones private jam session in London didnt take place - based solely on the fact that there wasnt a photo, video or a bootleg leaked from it yet! They'd probably have said the same about the one in May, only for the fact that the Stones posed for a photo during it for their facebook page.

Ridiculous and unreasonable levels of expectation, if you ask me.

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I realize they understand public perception and the behavior of their fans interests quite well so they know when and how to word things when needed. The only one who spouts off without thinking at times is our boy Ronnie bless his heart ...hehe. However, even Ronnie has good sense (half the time hehe). Your right on all marks there.

As well, your correct, the public has no need, and no real right to know of every single move they make. They are people too.. even if they are quite unique blokes.. ha.

However you'd think they would be talking and steering the conversation to the documentary and the book when asked about their plans if something definitive was deterring them from recording and performing... but they go on to remark about it saying possibly they may perform upcoming and Keith and Ronnie talk about getting into the studio and many "wonderful things" to come ...versus very simply ..."we got a major documentary and a book we're doing" to signal they are busy with all that.

That is what is sort of frustrating to me.

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