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Would Ry Cooder have fit in the Stones?
Mar 25^th, 2012 at 12:26pm

What do you think? I personally think that Memo from Turner is the best and most Stonesy solo track by any member of the band and it's mostly due to Ry's great guitar work...You could easily believe that it's Mick Taylor or Keith playing that slide if you didn't know better. I think he would've been a perfect fit, but what do you think?

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Mel Belli Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,298	Re: Would Ry Cooder have fit in the Stones? Reply #1 - Mar 25^th, 2012 at 12:41pm Putting aside the personality issues, which we've debated around here numerous times, I've never thought of Ry as enough of a straight-up rock guy to fit with the Stones.
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Re: Would Ry Cooder have fit in the Stones?
Reply #2 - Mar 25^th, 2012 at 12:49pm

There's also the issue of Ry claiming Keith stole from him, from a article (link posted below)
Ry Cooder is officially credited with playing mandolin on Love In Vain, slide guitar on Sister Morphine, as well as contributing to the soundtrack of "Performance". This includes the guitar work on Jagger's first solo effort: Memo From Turner. Cooder was a much heavier influence on the Stones than the credits might indicate. It's no coincidence that Richards real focus on open G tuning coincides with the Cooder's "Let It Bleed" session work with the Stones. There was friction between session man Cooder and Rolling Stone Richards which played out in Richards not showing up for "Let It Bleed" sessions. This ultimately led to studio jams with the Stones, Cooder, and Nicky Hopkins and a record documenting all this called "Jamming With Edward".

http://www.rollingstonesnet.com/influenc.htm

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Re: Would Ry Cooder have fit in the Stones?
Reply #3 - Mar 25^th, 2012 at 3:55pm

Heart Of Stone wrote on Mar 25^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

There's also the issue of Ry claiming Keith stole from him, from a article (link posted below)
Ry Cooder is officially credited with playing mandolin on Love In Vain, slide guitar on Sister Morphine, as well as contributing to the soundtrack of "Performance". This includes the guitar work on Jagger's first solo effort: Memo From Turner. Cooder was a much heavier influence on the Stones than the credits might indicate. It's no coincidence that Richards real focus on open G tuning coincides with the Cooder's "Let It Bleed" session work with the Stones. There was friction between session man Cooder and Rolling Stone Richards which played out in Richards not showing up for "Let It Bleed" sessions. This ultimately led to studio jams with the Stones, Cooder, and Nicky Hopkins and a record documenting all this called "Jamming With Edward".

http://www.rollingstonesnet.com/influenc.htm

This is what I meant by the personality conflict, which has been debated ad infinitum.

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gimmekeef Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 5,759 Ontario Canada Gender:	Re: Would Ry Cooder have fit in the Stones? Reply #5 - Mar 26^th, 2012 at 8:54am now Rory Gallagher might have been great..but he wasn't interested as far as I have read...........
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Re: Would Ry Cooder have fit in the Stones?
Reply #7 - Mar 26^th, 2012 at 4:42pm

StickyStones wrote on Mar 25^th, 2012 at 12:26pm:

What do you think? I personally think that Memo from Turner is the best and most Stonesy solo track by any member of the band and it's mostly due to Ry's great guitar work...You could easily believe that it's Mick Taylor or Keith playing that slide if you didn't know better. I think he would've been a perfect fit, but what do you think?

No one can play slide like Cooder IMO.

He wouldnt have fit, though.

We had a similar thread here two months ago

http://rocksoff.org/messageboard/YaBB.pl?num=1327543167/16#16

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PartyDoll MEG Rocks Off Regular Offline Just one drink from your lovin' cup Posts: 3,127	Re: Would Ry Cooder have fit in the Stones? Reply #8 - Mar 26^th, 2012 at 5:58pm Thank God, he didn't "fit" with the Stones.. I'm afraid we wouldn't have gotten all his brilliant works to enjoy if he had...
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uncleson Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,169 USA Gender:	Re: Would Ry Cooder have fit in the Stones? Reply #9 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 1:49pm Heart Of Stone wrote on Mar 26^th, 2012 at 12:43pm: I think the question would be "Who would fit in with keith?" Yes. I do enjoy "Jamming With Edward'
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Throwaway Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 826 MD Gender:	Re: Would Ry Cooder have fit in the Stones? Reply #10 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 5:39pm No doubt JWE is fun at times. No Keith on it though, and when you compare it to even the shoddiest Stones' outtakes of the ERA, it's still meh. Love me some Ry, but as others have said, he's not rock and roll-enough for TRS.
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mojoman Rocks Off Regular Offline HMERLS Posts: 6,593 joyzee Gender:	Re: Would Ry Cooder have fit in the Stones? Reply #11 - Mar 28^th, 2012 at 9:09pm Throwaway wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 5:39pm: No doubt JWE is fun at times. No Keith on it though, and when you compare it to even the shoddiest Stones' outtakes of the ERA, it's still meh. Love me some Ry, but as others have said, he's not rock and roll-enough for TRS. thats postin
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