Ian Billen wrote on Feb 15
th, 2012 at 7:45pm:
Gazza Wrote: 'Mission accomplished' ? We've heard that term used prematurely before.
>>>Gazz ..come on here now... Almost every rock / rock and roll band in the last forty years has at least followed The Rolling Stones lead to a certain degree in investigating or playing it and / or basing a large influence of rhythm and blues in their style. Many, many were successful acts (Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin, The Black Crows, even Guns n Roses to a degree .. to name but a few of the bigger acts). People heard them loud and clear. Kids bought their albums by the masses and the rest is history. The Rolling Stones have long since brought blues influence to the main stream music and any hard rock style. They were the main band who pioneerd that, and introduced it to pop music as you already know. Sadly now-a-days... popular and main stream music went far beyond this (and also went far lower in quality ). Possibly one day main stream acts will get back to it... but Mick has already long since introduced blues to the masses, mate. With respect, but remember... He's in "The Rolling Stones"... the band that pioneered it and brought that kind of music out and incorporated it into hard rock. Sure that segment is over as far as popular music is concerned but so is Beethoven and his style. However people know it's there. People know what it sounds like. If they are interested they will pick it up ... same with The Blues. It isn't like nobody knows of this style... geesh
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Was Pablo Casals a douchebag when he played for JFK? Was Aretha less regal because she played for the Clintons? Vladimir Horowitz, Leontyne Price, Mikhail
Baryshnikov, Mstislav Rostropovich and Andres Segovia all played for Jimmy Carter. Those assholes.
The cultural import of a White House appearance says more about the guy who invited the artist than the
artist him (or her)self. Having Bob Dylan, one of the Beatles and one of the Stones play at official functions
just tells me that Obama is MY President, for good or bad.
Nailing a very credible Rev. Al Green riff in the Apollo Theater (in FRONT of the Rev. Al Green!) told me
the same thing.
http://youtu.be/y6uHR90Sq6kIan Billen wrote on Feb 15
th, 2012 at 7:45pm:
Gazza: Its not working. The genre is all but dead commercially.
>> Yeah... and what is Mick Jagger playing The White House going to do to even slightly change any of that?? Playing it at The White House certainly isn't the way to go about it. I have news for everyone... nobody gives a flying shit about what folks at the White House are interested in, listen to, promote, or play as far as music is concerned. In fact ... it's more over a turn off and anything culturally that goes on in that group of people seems uncool. I do not necessarily agree I am simply just sayin. I mean whats next... are The Stones and Donnie and Marie Osmond going to do a show together for everyone?
Why? Is Nixon coming back? Holy shit, Ian, the point of
an official recognition of the Blues isn't meant solely as
a marketing scheme. It's acknowledging a part of the
culture of America, in what I hope and expect will be
a classy, cool manner. There is NO downside to this,
except the one you built in your shed.
"anything culturally that goes on in
that group of people seems uncool" -
do you mean White House occupants? That's true enough during
Republican administrations, but the Democrats, with their ties to
those damned smarty-pants Hollywood liberals, usually know
what's cool.
Bill Clinton jamming with BB King
Charlie Daniels gets the Medal of Freedom from George
W. Bush for beating the Devil in a fiddle contest down
in Georgia.
It's not like Mick is going there to narc on the Beatles, like Elvis did.
Ian Billen wrote on Feb 15
th, 2012 at 7:45pm:
GAZZA: Mick Jagger is working and singing the sort of music he does best. Even for a few minutes. The problem with that is what, exactly?
>>The problem is he looks like a sell-out more and more each year doing these type of things. There was a time in the 60's and 70's Mick would of damn well knew not to go about things this way... and guess what he DID introduce that kind of music to the masses as far as popular music is concerned and he didn't do it by playing it at The White House. Since when has anything like this scenario worked?? You can't "make" someone, the masses, or the industry interested in something. They already know that music exists and they have at-least heard bits and pieces of it. In time, if they have brains they will listen to it. If not, oh well... their loss. You gotta let them come to it on their own. In time... they will. However playing songs at The White House just makes any genre seem that much more tacky and uncool.
The White house would never have a Rollling Stone play music there before. What's next? The whole group plays there at The White House?? It's just looked at as kina "uncool" here in The States. Take my word on it. Why do you think everyone constantly makes fun of Bono for getting involved in these White House gatherings (though his motives are political... it still is looked at as really uncool and tacky). I don't want Mick stripped down to that level .. ( I can't believe Dylan actually did it too.. )
Bottom line is Mick only further continues to tarnish his reputation rather than this being looked at with any sort of interest. What a turn-off. Possibly he and Donnie and Marie Osmond will do a few songs with Bono making a go at it with a harmonica.. ..
- Ian
It's just looked at as kina "uncool" here in The States. Take my word on it. 
I guess it depends who you hang out with here in The States. A lot of us
middle-aged arugala-eating lefties think it's kina kewl.
Allison Krauss and Union Station in the East Room, 2009
( I can't believe Dylan actually did it too.. )
Really?
REALLY??
It really seems like you have to tie yourself in a knot to gain the jaundiced yet nuanced
view you have of this. The fact is, unfocused rebellion against all authority is properly the
property of the young. It's unseemly in your 60s. I think Mick might have turned down
an offer from the previous President, but why exactly would Dylan - OR Mick - turn this
one down? It's cool as hell!
Mick could well look at it as having succeeded in his boyhood goal (of turning people onto blues
songs) beyond anyone's wildest dreams. His role in the history of the blues is being acknowledged
by the country that gave birth to it. It's NOT a bad thing, and political ramifications aside, I think
the DVD is going to be killer.
To me, it's a welcome change from Mick's last few collaborations with
will.i.am and
korla pandit or whoever else is in SuperDuper.
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