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Oct 17th, 2011 at 9:15am
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Anniversary of Mick Jagger and Keith Richards Dartford meeting


17 October 2011

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Mick Jagger and Keith Richards recognised each other
and a conversation started about music



Fifty years ago Sir Mick Jagger and Keith Richards had their first proper meeting at a Kent train station - an encounter which would change the direction of pop music.

On the morning of 17 October 1961, Mick Jagger, then 18, arrived on platform two of Dartford Station to travel to the London School of Economics where he was studying.

Shortly afterwards, 17-year-old Keith Richards arrived on the same platform.

He was on his way to Sidcup Art College, carrying his hollow-bodied Höfner cutaway electric guitar.

Mike Still, assistant manager of Dartford Museum, has researched the famous encounter.

He said Jagger was holding some of his prized blues records and the two teenagers recognised each other as they had both attended Wentworth Primary School in the town.

Songwriting partnership

A conversation about music began which continued on the train and led to Richards joining the group Jagger fronted called Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys.

The group broke up when Jagger and Richards met Brian Jones and Ian Stewart, eventually forming The Rolling Stones in 1962.

That meeting at Dartford train station is believed to be one of the most important moments in the foundation of The Rolling Stones and certainly the most important in the songwriting partnership of Jagger and Richards.

Together they went on to produce songs such as Brown Sugar, Honky Tonk Women and (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction.

Mr Still said Stones fans come to Dartford to re-visit the famous meeting and trace the roots of the Stones.

"People do visit Dartford purely for the connection, I know that for a fact," he said. "People come into the museum asking about that."

Both Jagger and Richards have strong Dartford connections which Mr Still has looked into.

Mick Jagger lived with his family in Denver Road near Wentworth Primary School in Dartford and later his family moved to Wilmington.

As a baby, Keith Richards lived in Moorland Avenue in Dartford.

Mr Still said: "Unfortunately a V1 flying bomb hit part of the road and their house was rendered unsafe. So they moved further up the road to where his aunt lived.

"After the war they got a flat in Chastilian Road above some shops there and later on they moved to Temple Hill council estate."

'Strong connection'

Mick Jagger still visits his home town and his old school, Dartford Grammar School, which is also home to the Mick Jagger Centre music venue.

Nicola Bowden, manager of the centre, said: "Mick Jagger made a surprise visit to the Mick Jagger Centre recently - he brought his son to show him round Dartford Grammar school and the centre. He was also at the centre for the 10th anniversary last year."

Ms Bowden believes his roots are important to him. "He still has a strong connection with his family in the area and he clearly remembers and has lots of memories there," she said. "On his last visit he drove around his favourite spots - he loves coming back to Dartford, definitely."

Jagger also funds music bursaries for local school children through the Red Rooster project.

"We currently have about 400 primary school students who are learning to play instruments purely through his funding," Ms Bowden said. "Hopefully it will be the next Mick Jagger who he has helped on their way."

Marking the meeting

Many residents know about the historic station meeting and some believe the place and date should be permanently marked.

Sculptor Anthony Hawken is hoping to raise enough money to build a statue of Sir Mick and Keith Richards to be placed at Dartford train station.

The sculptures would show how the pair looked at the time of the first meeting at Dartford railway station in 1961.

The idea was suggested to Mr Hawken by a friend who had been to Liverpool and seen the statues of The Beatles there.

"As The Rolling Stones are just as big and just as global and are still going, we feel they should have something down here," said Mr Hawken.


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Reply #1 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:46am
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Yeah, a statue of the young MICK & KEEF would be a nice little tourist attraction! I would go there, plant my lips on MICK's face and have someone take my picture of me kissing MICK. Ah thats probably as close as I'll ever get...although I never give up hope of a random MICK sighting in NYC. or on a tour. I'd introduce myself to him, he'll flash a big smile and I'll tell him I love him, he'll be flattered and kiss me... sounds stupid, huh? Just another one of my MICK fantasies!
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Bitch wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:49am:
I'd introduce myself to him, he'll flash a big smile and I'll tell him I love him


Don't talk. Just throw yourself on him and kiss him before his bodyguard can do anything.  Blank Frigging Stare
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Edith Grove wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:57am:
Bitch wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:49am:
I'd introduce myself to him, he'll flash a big smile and I'll tell him I love him


Don't talk. Just throw yourself on him and kiss him before his bodyguard can do anything.  Blank Frigging Stare


No I would never do that, it's rude. I would much rather charm MICK by praising him, his ego needs to be fed, most likely on a daily basis! And even if L'Wren adores his ass, she's probably not gushing over him constantly. I doubt MICK ever tires of new female attention, and MICK probably thinks he's hotter now than he's ever been! I'd tell him that, too!
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Bitch, you have a very charming way about you!  Mick would surely enjoy meeting you!
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Thanks for posting lefty.  However, if the guy did so much research why couldn't he say what albums Jagger had with him, since Keith lists them in a famous documentary?  I have also never read that Keith was carrying a guitar, much less an imported (well from Germany) one.  Nor I have ever seen photos of him playing a Hofner anyway. 

But then again, I could be wrong.  Don't suck my cock
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Zack wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 12:26pm:
Thanks for posting lefty.  However, if the guy did so much research why couldn't he say what albums Jagger had with him, since Keith lists them in a famous documentary?  I have also never read that Keith was carrying a guitar, much less an imported (well from Germany) one.  Nor I have ever seen photos of him playing a Hofner anyway.  

But then again, I could be wrong.  Don't suck my cock


I never read before either that Keith was carrying a Guitar, I think in 25 x 5 Keith says about the records "Best Of Muddy Waters, Chuck Beery Rocking at the Hops, as far as I remember that was it.
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I've never read that he was carrying a guitar, either.

I also find it hard to believe that they can pinpoint the date to 17th October, too.

Never seen that recorded previously.

Still, who cares - it's a great idea to have this historic encounter marked for posterity.
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Here's part of the story (from Keith in Life): "We called ourselves Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys. My guitar, this time an f-hole archtop Hofner steel string, was Blue Boy--the words written on its face--and because of that I was Boy Blue. That was my very first steel-string guitar..."

For the 3 famous records, I remember "Sail On" (Muddy Waters), "Berry's On Top (Chuck Berry) And what was the last one? Jimmy Reed's Carnegie Hall ???
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Gazza wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 3:02pm:
I also find it hard to believe that they can pinpoint the date to 17th October, too.



Yes a very arcane point that would be very difficult (if not impossible) to ascertain and I'd be interested to know how this was determined.

I suppose you could go back to the LSE records and see on which days Mick's lectures and other commitments were scheduled but without some input from Mick or Keith as to their recollections of the time (e.g. if Keith were to say - "I remember I was going to do such and such that morning" and this information provided some further reference point in terms of the date) to place it in context.

If the date is accurate it is an excepetional piece of historical research.

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Gazza wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 3:02pm:
I've never read that he was carrying a guitar, either.

I also find it hard to believe that they can pinpoint the date to 17th October, too.

Never seen that recorded previously.

Still, who cares - it's a great idea to have this historic encounter marked for posterity.


Well, sometimes we can say July 12 is the date, but there are previous dates that marked the history, this is one, other is the Jazz News add, other when Stu and Brian auditioned Mick and Keith, etc

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October the 17th is the most significant date in Ruling Staines history. In 1996, Bill Wyman, I am tempted to believe, bought a biro from WH Smiths in Kennington and used it - beautifully, rhythmically - to add a note onto a taxi-receipt for a taxi he'd been in.

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Sculptor Anthony Hawken's proposed statue:

http://goo.gl/kSQx1
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Steel Wheels wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 12:20pm:
Bitch, you have a very charming way about you!  Mick would surely enjoy meeting you!


Aww thanks Steely, my dream cum true is meeting MICK! It almost happened once, I waited in a hotel lobby in Philly for 3 hours, while by boyfrind (at the time) who was friends with MICK and KEEF (he even went to KEEF & PATTI's wedding, before I knew him)...anyway he was invited upstairs for an after-party and told me and my 2 girlfriends to wait in the lobby and he would clear it with the band and come back to get us. Well we never did get an invite, but my boyfriend did bring us each down an autographed photo personally signed by MICK authentic and fresh, my most cherished RS posession. Thats the closest I've ever got to partying with MICK, but not close enough. But I still have time, we ain't dead yet!
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Reply #16 - Oct 18th, 2011 at 12:13pm
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left shoe shuffle wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 9:31am:
Sculptor Anthony Hawken's proposed statue:


Kent Online


http://goo.gl/kSQx1


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