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Reply #50 - Sep 14th, 2011 at 5:28pm
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left shoe shuffle wrote on Sep 14th, 2011 at 11:01am:
This new package will include some undiscovered gems that include tracks that have recently been unearthed from the Rolling Stones vaults by producer Don Was. Further details of the tracks will be unveiled at a later date

I wonder if they'll use stuff that hadn't leaked like they did for Exile? Given the amount of unreleased stuff that became available over the years (upon release and then in 1993 when the EMI Boulogne studios got pulled down...) it seems unlikely, but one can always hope!
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Reply #51 - Sep 14th, 2011 at 7:41pm
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Any chance the original cover may be used for the packaging for this re-release? I bet slim to none.

I wonder what songs will be used for the bonus disc. There was a shitload of songs recorded during that period. I'm sure there are some songs that we have never heard and may be used for this re-release. The Deluxe edition is a definite buy for an early Christmas present. The Super Deluxe? Only if I've been a reeeeaaaallllyyy good boy.
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I'd like to see vinyl as well.  I'll just have to stick to my very very very clean originals.  I've been spinning it a lot this year.
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If you all recall, we knew Keith was "working" in the studio not long ago and we didn't know what he was doing there or with whom it was concerning. We never heard anything more of it. Sounds like Jagger just finished his work on the Some Girls new ones. The vocals are usually last when doing over-dubs. It is most likely t Keith was working on some guitar parts or something on the new tracks for this special Some Girls re-release when he was in the studio a short while ago and we couldn't couldn't figure out what he was working on. Naturally, I have no clue... still it's a theory that makes sense for right now.

Note: As well, Don Was is again taking care of this project. So ... "if" The Stones "do" decide to record anything new for a studio release there is a good chance it will be Don Was once again working on it with them.  I'm not saying thats happening right now. I'm just saying if they do anything new studio wise (which IMHO they will) it will most likely be him producing it with them again <just sayin>


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Reply #54 - Sep 15th, 2011 at 7:17am
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Ian Billen wrote on Sep 14th, 2011 at 11:11pm:
If you all recall, we knew Keith was "working" in the studio not long ago and we didn't know what he was doing there or with whom it was concerning. We never heard anything more of it. Sounds like Jagger just finished his work on the Some Girls new ones. The vocals are usually last when doing over-dubs. It is most likely t Keith was working on some guitar parts or something on the new tracks for this special Some Girls re-release when he was in the studio a short while ago and we couldn't couldn't figure out what he was working on. Naturally, I have no clue... still it's a theory that makes sense for right now.




he was working with Pierre de Beauport in a studio in New York earlier this year. I think it was reported at the time (dont know how reliably) that it was Winos-related and that there would be some solo work. People assumed this meant a solo album, which isnt necessarily the same thing.

He did say during the summer when asked about Mick that they'd been going through some Some Girls tapes. Wouldnt surprise me if he'd added a few parts here and there.

Unless the Stones start putting out archive releases which consist of alternate versions of released songs, I think a lot of people hoping for a treasure trove from their studio vaults are going to have to be content with the concept of any releases featuring studio outtakes needing some latter day vocal overdubs.  I know that bootlegs only give you a snapshot of what are often very lengthy recording sessions, but its quite evident from whats out there that finishing lyrics and vocals (on Jagger/Richards songs anyway) tend to be something thats done late on in the proceedings. They might talk about recording 30-40 songs for an album, but its pretty obvious that about half of those songs get discarded while they're pretty embryonic lyrically and they dont tend to waste much studio time on songs that arent going to end up being shortlisted.

They're not going to put out box sets of songs which have 'scratch' vocals and half finished lyrics (the occasional one like Keith's nonsense lyrics on 'Soul Survivor' can get through as a bit of a curio) because while the whole concept behind these releases are geared towards diehards and collectors, theyre not going to sell in any quantities without the mainstream record buyer being interested as well.
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Keith himself hinted at a Winos project during his Jimmy Fallon appearance. He said his recent recording was "probably" for the Winos - "it's starting to blossom."

In the Mayo interview Mick said Keith's "gonna do one thing" for 'Some Girls'. Ronnie did one overdub, too.  

Sounds like the bulk of the new work is Mick's vocals...
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pouring old wine into new wineskins, no?
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Anyone who has the Girls Pills and Powders 5 disc boot likely has everything that will appear on the reduxe. Maybe Mick does a new vocal replacing Claudine?....hmmmmm Lindsay's back in jail again????...lol
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Reply #58 - Sep 15th, 2011 at 8:26am
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Well like I wrote yesterday, it's anyone's guess really, look at what they found for Exile, several tracks had never been leaked (Plundering, River, Sophia Loren) from the top of my head. For SG it might be different though as the 1993 "Paris Results" boots were most likely sourced from tapes "recovered" when EMI Boulogne was pulled down, so they may not have anything more in store.

Even using what's been leaked there's enough material to make a terrific "alternate" album, Misty Roads, Yellow Cab, Fiji Jim, Everlasting, Dancing Girls, etc...
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I love that I Need You song, redone properly it will be a number one smash.
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Yes, like it very much too, the melody is interesting Keith's singing is pretty good on that one...of course Mick will have had to rerecord the chorus/bridge since he's shouting "I want to f... you too much" !

Actually I'm going to have to listen to all that good stuff again, Paris Results here I come Wink
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Reply #61 - Sep 15th, 2011 at 11:09pm
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Gazza wrote on Sep 15th, 2011 at 7:17am:
Ian Billen wrote on Sep 14th, 2011 at 11:11pm:
If you all recall, we knew Keith was "working" in the studio not long ago and we didn't know what he was doing there or with whom it was concerning. We never heard anything more of it. Sounds like Jagger just finished his work on the Some Girls new ones. The vocals are usually last when doing over-dubs. It is most likely t Keith was working on some guitar parts or something on the new tracks for this special Some Girls re-release when he was in the studio a short while ago and we couldn't couldn't figure out what he was working on. Naturally, I have no clue... still it's a theory that makes sense for right now.



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Ohhhh Oh well then, maybe not. Still, I am having a hard time believing Keith is doing Wino's stuff again. I have an odd question? Could Keith even play some live shows with The Wino's again at this point? Meaning... could he handle it up there all on his own these days? Curious? What is your opinion?


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he was working with Pierre de Beauport in a studio in New York earlier this year. I think it was reported at the time (dont know how reliably) that it was Winos-related and that there would be some solo work. People assumed this meant a solo album, which isnt necessarily the same thing.

He did say during the summer when asked about Mick that they'd been going through some Some Girls tapes. Wouldnt surprise me if he'd added a few parts here and there.

Unless the Stones start putting out archive releases which consist of alternate versions of released songs, I think a lot of people hoping for a treasure trove from their studio vaults are going to have to be content with the concept of any releases featuring studio outtakes needing some latter day vocal overdubs.  I know that bootlegs only give you a snapshot of what are often very lengthy recording sessions, but its quite evident from whats out there that finishing lyrics and vocals (on Jagger/Richards songs anyway) tend to be something thats done late on in the proceedings. They might talk about recording 30-40 songs for an album, but its pretty obvious that about half of those songs get discarded while they're pretty embryonic lyrically and they dont tend to waste much studio time on songs that arent going to end up being shortlisted.

They're not going to put out box sets of songs which have 'scratch' vocals and half finished lyrics (the occasional one like Keith's nonsense lyrics on 'Soul Survivor' can get through as a bit of a curio) because while the whole concept behind these releases are geared towards diehards and collectors, theyre not going to sell in any quantities without the mainstream record buyer being interested as well.


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Ohhhh Oh well then, maybe not. Still, I am having a hard time believing Keith is doing Wino's stuff again. I have an odd question? Could Keith even play some live shows with The Wino's again at this point? Meaning, if they did record...could he pull off some live shows by himself anymore? And not to say that a group of people NEED to tour or do live shows simply because they recorded something or want to release something because they don't. All I am wondering is could he handle it up there all on his own these days fronting The Wino's for a few shows if it were proposed to him or if the task was at hand? Curious? What is your opinion?


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Reply #62 - Sep 16th, 2011 at 8:44am
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Looks a great package. But would they be able to release the SNL footage? Do they own the rights?
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Rights might not be that difficult, since NBC owns UMG.
SNL and the 'Faraway Eyes', 'Miss You' and 'Respectable' promos would be nice stuff for the DVD.


Planet Rock posted info on the formats:

   * Standard CD album
   * Deluxe 2CD album in 8 panel digipack w/ 28 page booklet
   * Single 12" heavyweight vinyl
   * Super Deluxe Box Set including 2CD, DVD, hardback book, Helmut Newton print, 5 postcard set, 7" Beast Of Burden/When The Whip Comes Down vinyl, poster


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Ohhhh Oh well then, maybe not. Still, I am having a hard time believing Keith is doing Wino's stuff again. I have an odd question? Could Keith even play some live shows with The Wino's again at this point? Meaning, if they did record...could he pull off some live shows by himself anymore? And not to say that a group of people NEED to tour or do live shows simply because they recorded something or want to release something because they don't. All I am wondering is could he handle it up there all on his own these days fronting The Wino's for a few shows if it were proposed to him or if the task was at hand? Curious? What is your opinion?


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I'm not overly convinced that he was working on a solo record either. Would make no sense as he's barely even written anything for the STONES in the last decade. Its not as if he has a huge backlog of spare songs. Maybe it was a bit of a bluff to disguise the fact he was doing something for Some Girls or maybe he was doing a COUPLE of Winos songs for a download single or something minor like that. He certainly wasnt working for long enough to make an album.

As he's barely been on a concert stage for ten minutes in the last four years, we can only speculate on his ability to perform. One thing's for sure - four years ago, he could NOT have fronted a band of his own as he was pretty much unable to sing and play guitar at the same time (probably as a result of the medication he was on post-Fiji).

Of course, he may very well be able to do so again now.

Keith hasnt exactly shown much interest in performing outside of the Stones tour bubble now for almost two decades. There have been no Winos shows since early 1993. I doubt they'll play live again as long as there's a future for the Stones as a live act.


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Gazza wrote on Sep 16th, 2011 at 9:58am:
[quote author=Ian Billen link=1315572086/50#61 date=1316146149] Ohhhh Oh well then, maybe not. Still, I am having a hard time believing Keith is doing Wino's stuff again. I have an odd question? Could Keith even play some live shows with The Wino's again at this point? Meaning, if they did record...could he pull off some live shows by himself anymore? And not to say that a group of people NEED to tour or do live shows simply because they recorded something or want to release something because they don't. All I am wondering is could he handle it up there all on his own these days fronting The Wino's for a few shows if it were proposed to him or if the task was at hand? Curious? What is your opinion?


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I'm not overly convinced that he was working on a solo record either. Would make no sense as he's barely even written anything for the STONES in the last decade. Its not as if he has a huge backlog of spare songs. Maybe it was a bit of a bluff to disguise the fact he was doing something for Some Girls or maybe he was doing a COUPLE of Winos songs for a download single or something minor like that. He certainly wasnt working for long enough to make an album.

As he's barely been on a concert stage for ten minutes in the last four years, we can only speculate on his ability to perform. One thing's for sure - four years ago, he could NOT have fronted a band of his own as he was pretty much unable to sing and play guitar at the same time (probably as a result of the medication he was on post-Fiji).

Of course, he may very well be able to do so again now.

Keith hasnt exactly shown much interest in performing outside of the Stones tour bubble now for almost two decades. There have been no Winos shows since early 1993. I doubt they'll play live again as long as there's a future for the Stones as a live act.


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He started to have difficulty playing and singing at the same time in 93-94. I distinctively remember noticing it then.. although it was in intervals. In 94 you could see it but just at times. In 97 it happened more often. In 2002 it stabilized but by 2005 it was quite evident. It has got progressively worse little by little. The last tour it was much more evident than ever before however, the problem didn't originate with the medication ...though the injury, or medication may of contributed to this ongoing issue a bit (verdict is still out for me on that one...because it has been worsening each tour since anyway, even though it seems after the injury things got even more apparent)

- Your theory about a Winos release is possible... I agree that there is no way he was there long enough to do an album. Only time will tell what it was in reality (or maybe not...some times we never find out what was taking place or hear anything more...).

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I don't want 2011 vocals on Some Girls.
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I've got a bootleg cd called "Static in the attic". It's got stuff from 74, 78 & 79. I got another one, but cant bloody find it. So i am not sure if the following is from 78. One is Keith singing "Catcher's mitt" - though on the cd it aint called that. The cd i cant locate had a fantastic song called something like 'flying in the face of love" or something. Real cool rocker. Damn i want to hear that song right now!
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with all the bootleg stuff we know of... with all the stuff from those sessions we know were done, and album ready, as far as final mix stage... then figure, we've only heard maybe half of those sessions on boots... I have to think, it's going to be bitter sweet... since there will only be about 8 extra tracks. From what I know, they had dozens ready to go, and dozens more close to ready to go... and how many of those, are what we've actually heard or not, is the question for me...there was so much in studio working stuff going on of song after song being developed and discarded...

I'm sure Jagger is going over some vocals, but probsbly not like on Exile. They had alot more finished and ready for SG. The only way I see him doing songs over again, is if the song is loved by him, and the vocals were really crappy or lyrics incomplete... so, maybe one tune, I hope...  I depends on how polished they want it.
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Reply #69 - Sep 17th, 2011 at 8:43am
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And you can even knock one of the great vocal tracks we know as he said in one of the SH intervews that he's done vocals for a blues instrumental and they were a minority in what we know of : "Biscuit Blues", "Slow Blues", "Armpit Blues". Now some could also be from the ER sessions as the great OBR released mixed both.

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This is what's out there, according to my own records. Taken from notes I made a couple of years ago and with some recent corrections.

Not suggesting its perfect or definitive, but it should give you all a good idea.  The sources I've relied on for sessiongraphies are mostly Nico Zentgraf's 'The Complete Works' (www.nzentgraf.de) and Felix Aeppli's 'Ultimate Guide'  - http://aeppli.ch/tug.htm


Session Title      "Some Girls" recording session, #1                        
Recording dates      10.10.77 - 25.11.77 and 5-21.12.77                        
Studio      EMI Pathe-Marconi Studios, Boulogne-Billancourt, Paris, France      
                 
                             
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Title      Length      Version      Released On/Date      Notes                                                                                                                                          
Beast Of Burden      5:20      1      “Some Girls” 6/78 – 8-track version      Extended version with some extra lyrics and extended outro. Available on bootleg “More Sucking In The '70's”                                                                                                                                          
Beast Of Burden      4:24      2      "Some Girls" 6/78      Edited version of V1                                                                                                                                          
Beast Of Burden      3:29      3      7' single, 9/78 (US)      Edited version of V1, also used on various compilation albums from 1981 onwards                                                                                                                                          
Everything Is Turning To Gold      4:06            US B-side, 11/78      Subsequently released on "Sucking In The 70's" (1981)                                                                                                                                          
Far Away Eyes      4:24            "Some Girls" 6/78      may have been completed at 1978 Paris session                                                                                                                                          
Far Away Eyes                  7' single 6/78      Edited version of V1                                                                                                                                          
Just My Imagination      4:38            "Some Girls" 6/78                                                                                                                                                
Lies      3:12            "Some Girls" 6/78      may have been completed at 1978 Paris session                                                                                                                                          
Miss You      8:36      1      12' single, 6/78      Later released on “Flashpoint + Collectibles” (1991)                                                                                                                                          
Miss You      4:48      2      "Some Girls" 6/78      Edited version of V1                                                                                                                                          
Miss You      3:35      3      7' single 6/78      Edited version of V1. Later released on 'Jump Back' (1993) and 'Forty Licks' (2002) compilations                                                                                                                                          
Miss You      5:44      4      “Some Girls” 6/78 – 8-track version      Edited version of V1. Available on bootleg “More Sucking In The '70's”                                                                                                                                          
Miss You (Dr Dre Remix)      3:39      5      “Austin Powers – Goldmember” 7/02      Dr Dre remix, edited from V1. Uses some dialogue by Mick from alternate versions                                                                                                                                          
Miss You      7:33      6      “Rarities 1971-2003”  11/05      Edited version of V1                                                                                                                                          
Respectable      3:08            "Some Girls" 6/78                                                                                                                                                
Shattered      3:47      1      "Some Girls" 6/78                                                                                                                                                
Shattered      2:43      2      “Some Girls” 6/78 – 8-track version      Edited version of V1 (shorter solo and outro). Available on promo single and on bootleg “More Sucking In The '70's”                                                                                                                                          
Some Girls      4:37            "Some Girls" 6/78      may have been completed at 1978 Paris session                                                                                                                                          
When The Whip Comes Down      4:21            "Some Girls" 6/78            


Circulating Alternate takes                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                 
Title      Length      Version      Available On      Notes                                                                                                                                                
Beast of Burden      5:07      1      Some Girls Made Many Girls      Falsetto vocal. Some lyric changes. No backing vocals (chorus is without vocals). Acoustic guitar more prominent.                                                                                                                                          
Beast of Burden      5:34      2      Girls, Pills and Powders      Same take as above, but acoustic guitar less prominent in mix. Longer fade out, which includes some 'tremelo' sounding guitar effects before final fade                                                                                                                                          
Everything Is Turning To Gold      9:48      1      Place Pigalle Vol. 3      Long version (9:48)                                                                                                                                          
Everything Is Turning To Gold      4:28      2      Girls, Pills and Powders      Extended version of released take.                                                                                                                                          
Far Away Eyes      4:40      1      Place Pigalle Vol. 5/6      More prominent piano. Early, less committed vocal by Mick. No backing vocals. Mick says "whaddya think, Woody" before pedal steel solo                                                                                                                                          
Far Away Eyes      5:18      2      Place Pigalle Vol. 5/6      Longer piano and pedal steel intros. Same vocal as released version but longer and with different pedal steel solo                                                                                                                                          
Hang Fire      6:20      1      Tattoo Too      First longer early version, with count-in                                                                                                                                          
Hang Fire      6:09      2      Tattoo Too      Second longer early version, without count-in                                                                                                                                          
Just My Imagination            1            with organ                                                                                                                                          
Just My Imagination            2      Some Other Girls/Genius Is Pain (LP)      this may be same as take 1. Features lyrics “I look THROUGH my window”                                                                                                                                          
Just My Imagination      6:43      3      Girls, Pills and Powders      Extended version of released take (6:43). Sounds like a different mix. Longer instrumental break and fade out. In the final minute, the tempo is briefly slowed down slightly as if they're going to play the bridge again, but then speeds up again before the final fade out                                                                                                                                          
Lies      4:56      1      Girls, Pills and Powders      Early take, with dummy lyrics (most lines start with the word 'Why') (4:56)                                                                                                                                          
Lies            2      Paris Outtakes      Shorter than V1                                                                                                                                          
Lies      3:50      3      Place Pigalle Vol. 5/6      Extended version of released take, with extra lyrics  3:50                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                       
Miss You        11:40      1      All Mixed Up      very long version (11:40) with early vocals                                                                                                                                          
Miss You        7:22      2      Some Girls Made Many Girls      Bridge of song has different mix. No sax or harmonica.(7:22)                                                                                                                                          
Miss You        8:46      3      Place Pigalle Vol. 5/6      Extended version of #3 with sax and harmonica added. (8:46)                                                                                                                                          
Respectable      3:51      1      Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 1      '1-2-3-4-motherfucker' count in by Mick, and rough lyrics. Mick calls out chord changes & instructions for solos throughout.                                                                                                                                          
Respectable            2            does this exist?                                                                                                                                          
Respectable      3:50      3      Place Pigalle Vol. 5/6      Extended version of released take minus overdubs and edits. An extra "get out of my life.." line at end of guitar solo and also before 2nd solo. Same lead vocal but 2nd guitar more prominent & no backing vocals (or else mixed very low) Solos at the end quite different.                                                                                                                                          
Shattered      3:39      1      Girls, Pills and Powders      Instrumental                                                                                                                                          
Shattered      3:11      2      Girls, Pills and Powders      Instrumental                                                                                                                                          
Some Girls      6:24            Some Girls Made Many Girls      Extended and remixed version of released take, with more harmonica and spoken vocals at end (6:24)                                                                                                                                          
When The Whip Comes Down      9:48      1      Girls, Pills and Powders      Dummy lyrics (mostly off mike)  in verses. (9:48)                                                                                                                                          
When The Whip Comes Down            2      Spend It So Fast (LP)      Early version, with back up vocals & different lyrics                                                                                                                                          
When The Whip Comes Down      6:16      3      Place Pigalle Vol. 5/6      Same take as released version, but longer and with Mick's vocal further down in the mix. Contains an offmike count-in, an extra verse ('Mr Rockefeller', etc),  longer solos in the middle and in the 2nd half of the song, and a few other vocal asides from Mick which were later edited out (6:14)      
                                                                                                                                   
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Circulating Outtakes
Title      Length      Version      Available On  Notes                                                                                                                                                      
A Different Kind      6:03            Girls, Pills and Powders      Medium-paced country flavoured track with prominent pedal steel (& several long solos). Guide vocal by Mick                                                                                                                                          
Claudine      7:33      1      Made In The Shade 1978      Slow and long version  with unfinished lyrics                                                                                                                                          
Everlasting Is My Love      4:02      1      Girls, Pills and Powders      "Non falsetto" vocal                                                                                                                                          
Jah Wonderful                                                                                                                                                                  
Golden Caddy      3:15      1      Place Pigalle Vol. 5/6      Instrumental. May be an early version of Brown Leaves                                                                                                                                          
Golden Caddy      1:57      2      Place Pigalle Vol. 5/6      Instrumental. May be an early version of Brown Leaves                                                                                                                                          
Love You Too Much      4:20      1      Girls, Pills and Powders      "Punk-style" rough vocal. Sounds like tape is a bit fast                                                                                                                                          
Love You Too Much      2:32      2      Girls, Pills and Powders      Musically more developed, but still with rough (almost drunken!) vocals. Fades out quite quickly. Listed as v3 on G,P & P                                                                                                                                          
Muck Spreading Dub      3:16            Paris Results      riff-driven instrumental                                                                                                                                          
Munich Hilton #2      11:56      1      Girls, Pills and Powders      Instrumental. This version has some percussion after a couple of mins (tom toms?). Version on Paris Outtakes Vol1 is shorter (10:37) (10:16 on 'Claudine accidents') but seems to be faster - ie, at right speed. Zentgraf lists 2 takes from Paris (1 with more instruments), Aeppli only 1                                                                                                                                          
           
     
                                                                                                                                               
Unverified songs (not in circulation)                                                                                                                                                                  
Covered In Bruises                        possibly an early version of Ronnie's solo song '1234' as it mentions this title a lot in the chorus                                                                                                                                          
Infekshun                        later re-recorded for Ronnie's 'Gimme Some Neck' album                                                                                                                                          
Once You Start                        Early version of "Start Me Up"      



Session Title      "Some Girls" recording session, #2
Recording dates      5.1.78 - 2.3.78
Studio      EMI Pathe-Marconi Studios, Boulogne-Billancourt, Paris, France


Released Songs
Title      Length      Version      Released On/Date      Notes
Before They Make Me Run      3:25      1      "Some Girls" 6/78      
Before They Make Me Run            2      US 7' promo single, 6/78      Also available on bootleg LPs “Claudine”, “Not Guilty” etc
So Young                  “Out of Tears” CD single, 10/94      Basic track. Mick Jagger re-did the vocal in early 1994
Start Me Up      3:33            “Tattoo You” 8/81      Basic track. Chris Kimsey says in an interview it was recorded 24 hours after 'Miss You', which, if he's right, would date it as being from the Oct-Dec 1977 session


Circulating Alternate takes                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                 
Title      Length      Version      Available On      Notes      
Before They Make Me Run      4:30      1      Some Girls Made Many Girls      Long fade-out. Early vocal, some slight lyric changes. No backing vocals                                                                                                                                    
Before They Make Me Run            2      Twilight Zone      Extended version of promo single                                                                                                                                    
Black Limousine      2:14      1      Place Pigalle Vol. 3      Instrumental. Also known as 'Broken Head Blues'. Fades out quickly. Is there a longer edit?                                                                                                                                    
Black Limousine      4:11      2      Tattoo Too      With count-in. early lyrics. Musically close to released version. Lyrics start with “you ride around babe/ride around in your limousine”                                                                                                                                    
Black Limousine      3:17      3      Tattoo Too      Intro fades in & sounds close to released version. Rough lyrics, which start with “you used to ride/used to ride/ in your long black limousine/and I was scared...”                                                                                                                                    
So Young      2:58            Paris Results      Rough, unfinished lyrics                                                                                                                                    
Start Me Up      4:04      1      In The Eighties      Early lyrics. Vocals in verses only (choruses are instrumental) Musically similar to released version                                                                                                                                    
Start Me Up      3:41      2      Girls, Pills and Powders      Close to the finished version (this may even have been used as a backing track), only a bit less polished. All rhythm guitars at this stage, though – there's no lead gtr. Verses still have rough lyrics, but the chrous and backing vocals are more developed                                                                                                                                    
Summer Romance      5:21      1      The Emotional Rescue Sessions      Different intro to released version. Early lyrics. Jagger's vocals off-mike.                                                                                                                                    
Summer Romance      4:35      2      The Emotional Rescue Sessions      Count-in, and different intro to released version. Early lyrics. More like V1 than later takes so I think this is a Some Girls outtake                                                                                                                                    



Circulating Outtakes
Title      Length      Version      Available On      Notes
After Hours      5:00            Place Pigalle Vol. 2      Piano and harmonica-dominated slow jazz/blues instrumental. Also known as 'Slow Blues'.                                                                                                                                                      
Armpit Blues      2:35            Place Pigalle Vol. 2      Slow blues instrumental, with lots of harmonica as well as guitar and piano solos (2:35)                                                                                                                                                      
Broken Toe      1:55            Place Pigalle Vol. 3      riff driven instrumental, with harmonica. Fades out early                                                                                                                                                      
Brown Leaves      2:46      1      Place Pigalle Vol. 3      Instrumental version of "Dancing Girls" (2:46) may come from '79                                                                                                                                                      
Brown Leaves      6:13      2      Place Pigalle Vol. 3      Longer version of above (6:13), slightly more reggae tinged                                                                                                                                                      
Claudine      3:37      2      Static In The Attic      Rockabilly version, full-length                                                                                                                                                      
Claudine      3:04      3      Static In The Attic      Edited version of V2. Probably edited for release before being withdrawn due to the risk of litigation over potentially libellous lyrics                                                                                                                                                      
Disco Music      5:34            Place Pigalle Vol. 3      Unfinished lyrics, with Mick repeating the same chorus over and over in a falsetto                                                                                                                                                      
Do You Get Enough?      5:18            Place Pigalle Vol. 2      Calypso-flavoured track with almost complete lyrics and prominent acoustic gtr lick. Sometimes erroneously titled "Lucky In Love" (although thats what Mick appears to be singing).  5:24, on GP & P                                                                                                                                                      
Do You Think I Really Care?      6:12      1      Paris Outtakes Vol. II      Pedal steel version. 6:12.                                                                                                                                                      
Do You Think I Really Care?      6:15      2      Paris Results      Different mix of V1, but with less pedal steel and more guitar                                                                                                                                                      
Everlasting Is My Love      3:44      2      Girls, Pills and Powders      No count-in. Slide guitar version. 3:44 on G,P& P                                                                                                                                                      
Everlasting Is My Love      5:02      3      Girls, Pills and Powders      Count-in and falsetto vocal in chorus . Prominent acoustic gtr                                                                                                                                                      
Fiji Jim #1      4:02      1      Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 1      Acoustic guitar more prominent in this version                                                                                                                                                      
Fiji Jim #2      3:55      2      Gals, Gags & Pin Ups      As V1 but with more electric guitar right from the opening notes                                                                                                                                                      
Golden Caddy #1      1:54      1      Place Pigalle Vol. 3      Instrumental. (1:54)                                                                                                                                                      
Golden Caddy #2      3:05      2      Place Pigalle Vol. 3      instrumental. (3:05)                                                                                                                                                      
Golden Caddy      6:13      3      Girls, Pills and Powders      Instrumental. May not be 'Golden caddy' ? Sounds diff to versions 1 & 2                                                                                                                                                      
I Need You      3:32            Girls, Pills and Powders      Main vocal by Keith, with backing and some lead vocals by Mick                                                                                                                                                      
It's A Lie      4:41      1      Place Pigalle Vol. 3      Starts with count-in and drum roll. Bluesy rocker with rough vocals and great hamronica by Sugar Blue Also on G,P&P as V2.                                                                                                                                                      
It's A Lie      5:21      2      **not circulated on bootleg LP/CD **      Lyrics still unfinished, but musically more developed than earlier take                                                                                                                                                      
It's All Wrong      3:36            Place Pigalle Vol. 4      fast punk style song with unfinished lyrics                                                                                                                                                      
It Won't Be Long            1      Soul Survivor (LP)      Early rough version, Keith on vocals and (probably) piano                                                                                                                                                      
Light Up      5:02            Fast Talking      Medium paced instrumental, with pedal steel                                                                                                                                                      
Love You Too Much      3:42      3      Some Girls Made Many Girls      Instrumental version, with acoustic guitar high in mix.  Check against other versions (listed as V3 on Girls, pills etc – 3:42)                                                                                                                                                      
Love You Too Much      4:08      4      Girls, Pills and Powders      Almost a finished track. Lyrics much more complete. Keith duets on chorus and prominent steel guitar                                                                                                                                                      
Never Let Her Go      4:51            Better Results      Slightly reggae-tinged track with distorted guitar and electric piano. Some guide vocals by Mick. Listed twice on Girls, pills and powders (this title + 'Someone know'. Seems to be the same take))                                                                                                                                                      
Never Make You Cry #1      3:56      1      Girls, Pills and Powders      Guide vocals. Maybe as v3? This track is doubtful                                                                                                                                                      
Never Make You Cry #2      4:46      2      Place Pigalle Vol. 4      Mick announcing chord changes (more electric piano noticeable in last minute)                                                                                                                                                      
Never Make You Cry #3      3:58      3      Place Pigalle Vol. 3      Electric piano more prominent through more of the track than above version (3:58)                                                                                                                                                      
No Spare Parts      6:11            Girls, Pills and Powders      Country song with prominent electric piano. Mick sings in his faux-Southern accent. Could have been releasable with a bit of work on the lyrics and a more polished vocal.                                                                                                                                                      
Not The Way To Go #1      7:04      1      **not circulated on bootleg LP/CD **      Instrumental listed by Zentgraf but not by Aeppli. Exists but not on a bootleg CD. Two later takes (with guide vocals) were cut at RCA Studios, Hollywood, August 1978 so it's possible that this song may come from that session.                                                                                                                                                      
Petrol      3:47            Place Pigalle Vol. 4      Mick vocal demo with Stu on piano. Also known as 'Petrol Gang'                                                                                                                                                      
Red Eyes      3:57            Place Pigalle Vol. 2      aka "When You're Gone". Guide vocal by Mick. Later recorded & released by Ronnie in 1981                                                                                                                                                      
Shame, Shame, Shame      3:50            Place Pigalle Vol. 2      Jimmy Reed cover, with slightly loose vocal by Mick. Sugar Blue on harmonica                                                                                                                                                      
Sheep Dip Blues      0:34            Place Pigalle Vol. 3      very brief blues instrumental with piano & harmonica (fades after 40 secs or so)                                                                                                                                                      
Some People Tell Me      4:49            Place Pigalle Vol. 2      A driving blues in a similar style to 'Stop Breaking Down', with rough 'growling' guide vocal by Mick.                                                                                                                                                      
Stay Where You Are      1:34            Girls, Pills and Powders      Brief loose instrumental jam                                                                                                                                                      
The Way She Held Me Tight      4:34            Girls, Pills and Powders      aka "Misty Roads"                                                                                                                                                      
Untitled Piano Instrumental      4:38            Place Pigalle Vol. 3      4: 40. Mostly piano driven. Check if its 'Light Up'. Theres no track listed for Place Pigalle Vol 4 called 'untitled piano instrumental'                                                                                                                                                      
Up Against The Wall      6:04            Place Pigalle Vol. 3       Instrumental with very prominent harmonica. An incomplete version (3:58) in better quality is on 'Sheep Dip Blues'. Also known as 'On Our Knees'                                                                                                                                                      
You Don't Have To Go      4:33            Place Pigalle Vol. 2      4:33 Jimmy Reed song. Mostly instrumental with rough vocal and lots of harmonica and guitar solos. Sounds a bit like "Black Limousine"! 'Biscuit Blues' on Girls, Pills & Powders                                                                                                                                                      
You Win Again      3:31            Place Pigalle Vol. 2      Hank Williams cover, with out of tune vocal by Mick.  Later recorded solo by Keith for a Hank Williams Tribute album                                                                                                                                                      



Unverified songs (not in circulation)
Angeline                        
We Are Ripped On Down (this may be an early 'When the whip comes down', in which case it would date from the 1st Paris session in 1977)
                       




There are also a few songs I'm not sure about, but which have appeared on bootlegs :


I cant Help It      3:24            Girls, Pills and Powders      fast paced instrumental
feel no pain no more      4:42            Girls, Pills and Powders      Medium paced instrumental, with country/blue style lead and a lot of piano
Los Trios Guitareros      3;10            Girls, Pills and Powders      instrumental. Same as track listed above?
follow me      1:31            Girls, Pills and Powders      funky licked instrumental. No audible bass, charlie on what sounds like brushes




Additionally, there's a bit of confusion between two songs 'Golden Caddy' and 'Brown Leaves' which may or may not be the same song in different stages of development

V1      Girls, Pills and Powders      fades in. slow. Lots of guitar effects 3:05
V2      Girls, Pills and Powders      Semi-false start. Similar to above 1:48
V3      place pigalle 5/6      fastest version 2:49. close to V4 and Dancing girls
V4      Girls, Pills and Powders       faster than 1/2. closer to dancing girls 6:13
V5      All Mixed Up      sloW version more in common with versions 1 & 2
V6      Chainsaw      

the tracks listed as 'Brown Leaves' are versions 3 & 4. The rest may be 'Golden Caddy'
                                                                                               
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Thanks, the formatting is a bit lost in the forums though, maybe you could put it on Google Docs if it's a spreadsheet ?

Not a big deal, but I think it would have been better to use the bootleg where the song first appeared, i.e Paris Results I/II versus the Place Pigalle that mixed up the tracks ad sometimes changed the titles.
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Thats too much like hard work!  Grin

I put it together for my own use based on bootlegs that I had. I dont collect every bootleg CD (I dont even buy them) and wouldnt have a clue which was issued 'first'. Its more significant which has the best quality, I think, as sometimes you get upgrades after recordings have speed corrected and things like that.

Aeppli's book is very good for dissecting what albums these tracks are on - and in the process giving them their proper titles. His book is available online in the link provided.

Edit - I'm totally unfamiliar with google documents, but I'll try and do that to make the format a bit more readable.


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