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Reply #50 - Jul 25th, 2011 at 7:54am
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  Starbuck wrote on Jul 24th, 2011 at 11:25pm:
sad that otis couldn't have lived another half year or so...he would be a sparkling addition to this club.


Sad he couldn't hold on for 6 months?

Sad he couldn't live another 60+ years!

All of them really.

I don't like adding people to this death club.
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Reply #51 - Jul 25th, 2011 at 10:26am
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The world has lost a gem, thanks for all you did here

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Reply #52 - Jul 25th, 2011 at 2:27pm
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It begins already. There'll probably be greatest hits and demos and live stuff put out too.
According to Amy herself, the stuff recorded for the third album is similar to Back To Black and is very "jukebox" I've heard that she was working with or planned to work with ?uestlove. Any work released could be interesting, despite being unfinished. I'm just hoping we don't get piles of tacky cash-ins.

Would anyone buy the third album if it's released in some form?
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Reply #53 - Jul 25th, 2011 at 2:40pm
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It begins already. There'll probably be greatest hits and demos and live stuff put out too.
According to Amy herself, the stuff recorded for the third album is similar to Back To Black and is very "jukebox" I've heard that she was working with or planned to work with ?uestlove. Any work released could be interesting, despite being unfinished. I'm just hoping we don't get piles of tacky cash-ins.

Would anyone buy the third album if it's released in some form?



Me and about 10-20 million others, I would imagine....
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Reply #54 - Jul 25th, 2011 at 2:43pm
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I meant anyone as in anyone on here. It's sure to be a top seller. I'd buy it too.
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Reply #55 - Jul 25th, 2011 at 4:51pm
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This sucks..........
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And I don't say that much anymore, I guess it's selfish, but damn.......
RIP Peace Amy!

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Reply #56 - Jul 25th, 2011 at 6:19pm
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I'm watching Entertainment Tonight in the U.S. right now---they will soon have a report about the '27" club, and they actually showed footage of Brian Jones. He is usually left out of the "list" of rememberees, and it always makes me just want him to be remembered....not necessarily for being the first member of the club from the modern era, but for the musician and visionary he was......so, at least, it looks like they will get it right tonight.
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Reply #57 - Jul 25th, 2011 at 6:45pm
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On the news reports of Amy's death that I have heard the 27 thing has been referred to a lot. The well known list is rattled off. Jimi,Morrison, Joplin and Cobain are referred to by name only. Brian has been included but in nearly all cases he is referred to as "Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones".

The point being that if the qualifier "of the Rolling Stones" was not added most people wouldn't know who the hell he was. Brian has just about become as arcane and esoteric (and forgotten) as Robert Johnson (who, unsurprisingly, has not been mentioned at all).
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Reply #58 - Jul 25th, 2011 at 8:16pm
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On the news reports of Amy's death that I have heard the 27 thing has been referred to a lot. The well known list is rattled off. Morrison, Joplin and Cobain are referred to by name only. Brian has been included but in nearly all cases he is referred to as "Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones".

The point being that if the qualifier "of the Rolling Stones" was not added most people wouldn't know who the hell he was. Brian has just about become as arcane and esoteric (and forgotten) as Robert Johnson (who, unsurprisingly, has not been mentioned at all).



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Reply #59 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 12:42am
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Back To Black has re-entered the UK i-Tunes Chart at No.1 and the Deluxe Edition at No.3. The fans have paid tribute in the best way possible by putting her music back where it belongs: at the top.
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Reply #60 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 3:51am
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Ron 'Pigpen' McKernan from the Dead, dead at 27
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Reply #61 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 12:04pm
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All I read here and on Tell Me is of her excessive drug-use and how this could be a factor in her sad demise. Whilst this may well be true, she was also raging piss-head and IMO, it could quite easily have been the alcohol that caused the death. Tragic.
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Reply #62 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 1:18pm
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All I read here and on Tell Me is of her excessive drug-use and how this could be a factor in her sad demise. Whilst this may well be true, she was also raging piss-head and IMO, it could quite easily have been the alcohol that caused the death. Tragic.


From one news report, she was drinking heavily & had a seizure, they didn't find no drugs in her place, everybody thinks drugs are bad, well, booze can be just as bad.
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Reply #63 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 1:42pm
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Reply #64 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 1:51pm
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From one news report, she was drinking heavily & had a seizure, they didn't find no drugs in her place, everybody thinks drugs are bad, well, booze can be just as bad.


Absolutely - booze can be just as bad... andshe knocked back vodka for Camden, reportedly.
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Reply #65 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 8:44pm
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There are a ton of rock musicians who died at 27....even Wikipedia has a pretty extensive list...

Robert Johnson was the first....Brian was the first of the "modern era".

I think the fascination with those who died at 27 was, at first, because Brian, Jimi, Janis, and Jim died within 2 years of each other. I remember comments as early as when Hendrix died---that he and Brian had been friends, and how weird it was that they both died at 27. And then Janis followed about 2 weeks later, and it started to become creepy. Morrison died 2 years to the day that Brian did, and then there was no doubt that "27" was some kind of cursed age among rock stars...Sad
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‘Third album’ would triple Winehouse estate to £18m

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Last updated July 26 2011 12:01AM

Amy Winehouse’s unfinished final record would triple her estate’s value to £18 million if released, industry experts have told The Times.

Universal, the singer’s record company, is in line for an even greater payout after a leap in demand for her albums.

Back to Black, Winehouse’s second record, has shot to the top of the Apple iTunes charts in 14 countries. The album is expected to top the official UK charts on Sunday after selling more than 10,000 this week. “Record stores don’t have a huge amount of stock,” an HMV spokesman said. “We’ve nearly sold through what we’ve got.”

If Back to Black sells one million extra copies, Winehouse’s estate would receive about just over £2 million, according to music industry experts said. An established artist who also writes her own music would expect to receive about £2.30 for every £9 album sold.

While distributors such as HMV or Apple would typically receive roughly £2, the lion’s share - just over £4 for each album after payments to music publishers- would go to the record label.

Winehouse’s estate would also receive an additional fee of about £17 a minute when her music is played on the national radio — and more if licensed to films or advertisements.

The surge in demand mirrors the acceleration of sales in 2009 after Michael Jackson died. His estate generated more than $310 million (£190 million) from album sales and spin-offs.

Sources close to Winehouse said “a lot of material was available” for a third album.

Dr Alice Enders, of Enders Analysis said: “A lot of people will listen to her who haven’t before, but there’s a lot of competition from female vocalists, who weren’t around in her heyday.”

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/arts/music/article3105088.ece


(There was a documentary on her on Channel 4 last night which had an interview with her dad from a couple of years ago saying that there was a huge amount of 'brilliant' material that she'd recorded a few years ago but which she'd discarded saying she'd never use it as she'd 'moved on' and wasnt interested in living in the past).
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Back To Black has re-entered the UK i-Tunes Chart at No.1 and the Deluxe Edition at No.3.


When the Stones stop, Sticky Fingers will enter at #1.
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Reply #69 - Jul 27th, 2011 at 11:30am
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Honky Tonk Man wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 12:42am:
Back To Black has re-entered the UK i-Tunes Chart at No.1 and the Deluxe Edition at No.3.


When the Stones stop, Sticky Fingers will enter at #1.


I like to think so but unfortunately it takes a death to do that.
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Reply #71 - Jul 27th, 2011 at 11:01pm
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‘Third album’ would triple Winehouse estate to £18m

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Last updated July 26 2011 12:01AM

Amy Winehouse’s unfinished final record would triple her estate’s value to £18 million if released, industry experts have told The Times.

Universal, the singer’s record company, is in line for an even greater payout after a leap in demand for her albums.

Back to Black, Winehouse’s second record, has shot to the top of the Apple iTunes charts in 14 countries. The album is expected to top the official UK charts on Sunday after selling more than 10,000 this week. “Record stores don’t have a huge amount of stock,” an HMV spokesman said. “We’ve nearly sold through what we’ve got.”

If Back to Black sells one million extra copies, Winehouse’s estate would receive about just over £2 million, according to music industry experts said. An established artist who also writes her own music would expect to receive about £2.30 for every £9 album sold.

While distributors such as HMV or Apple would typically receive roughly £2, the lion’s share - just over £4 for each album after payments to music publishers- would go to the record label.

Winehouse’s estate would also receive an additional fee of about £17 a minute when her music is played on the national radio — and more if licensed to films or advertisements.

The surge in demand mirrors the acceleration of sales in 2009 after Michael Jackson died. His estate generated more than $310 million (£190 million) from album sales and spin-offs.

Sources close to Winehouse said “a lot of material was available” for a third album.

Dr Alice Enders, of Enders Analysis said: “A lot of people will listen to her who haven’t before, but there’s a lot of competition from female vocalists, who weren’t around in her heyday.”

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/arts/music/article3105088.ece


(There was a documentary on her on Channel 4 last night which had an interview with her dad from a couple of years ago saying that there was a huge amount of 'brilliant' material that she'd recorded a few years ago but which she'd discarded saying she'd never use it as she'd 'moved on' and wasnt interested in living in the past).

How nice and conveniant is it that the record company stands to make a few penny's on this. Probably the same record company that kept pushing her out on stage insisting she was fine. Their should be laws that record companies cannot profit from deceased recording artists for at least a certain amount of time....Otherwise known as the vulture law.
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How nice and conveniant is it that the record company stands to make a few penny's on this. Probably the same record company that kept pushing her out on stage insisting she was fine. Their should be laws that record companies cannot profit from deceased recording artists for at least a certain amount of time....Otherwise known as the vulture law.


I think the world has more pressing problems than this, but it is rather distasteful that they're already talking about opening the "Winehouse vaults."  you made a grown man cry
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Reply #73 - Jul 28th, 2011 at 6:38am
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It doesnt say anywhere in that article that her record company are planning to cash in by releasing her third album.

'Industry insiders' are merely speculating that if it DID come out, it would be a big seller.

In any event, such a record is a long way from being finished at present.

As for 'making a few pennies'. It stands to sense. Recently deceased artists tend to see their record sales rocket in the short term. The only people responsible for that are the members of the public who suddenly realise that they were fans after all and who seem to feel its part of some grieving process to buy their albums. The artist's estate and record company (not to mention the taxman) always do pretty well out of it.
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'What have we learned from the death of Amy Winehouse?" asked the hapless MSNBC news anchor. As this question was posed on Sunday morning when nothing was yet known about Winehouse's death other than the sad fact of it, the only answer to this question was, well, we seem to have learned that celebrities die.

Yet even though this is proved many times every year, certain elements of the media still get the reporting of these deaths very badly wrong. Which is remarkable, considering how eagerly some tabloid newspapers and websites wish for certain celebrities – Winehouse very much included – to die, judging by their tendency to harass them and laugh at them to a degree that would make a psychotic playground bully blush.

There is nothing a tabloid likes more than a predictable story arc, and by "predictable" I mean the one that they think would sell the most copies of their publication. Hence the ongoing obsession with the Jennifer Aniston, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie trifecta, and the eternal insinuation in all stories about them that, one day, Brad'n'Jen will reunite. (SPOILER ALERT: They won't.) Jude Law and Sienna Miller played the same part in the UK until they did reunite and promptly broke up again, going disobediently off the Happily Ever After script that the weekly gossip magazines had mapped out for them. Didn't they know they were supposed to stay together for ever, if only so we could admire Sienna's wedding dress and see Jude married off before all of his hair disappears?

Winehouse, was, for a while, the female counterpart to Pete Doherty: the celebrity the British tabloids trailed around London (mysteriously, these tabloids always seemed to know where they'd be), cackling with glee at, simultaneously, their wild life ("Caner of the year!") and their visible decline. To read tabloid journalists berating the drug dealers for their part in Winehouse's death is to hear the sound of a pot calling the kettle, if not black exactly, then certainly kitchen-based.

But Doherty and Winehouse both seemed to go off-script by daring to survive, if not quite being fully alive. Until this weekend, when Winehouse at last gave the media a collective orgasm of prurient crocodile tears by dying. At last we can wheel out those pre-written columns as we photograph her body being wheeled out of her house!

Which returns us to the only thing to learn from Winehouse's far-too-early death: celebrities die and many people appear at a loss as to how to cover such events. So here is a handy guide about what not to do when a celebrity you've been tormenting for years dies.

1. Don't print unproven conjectures about how they died.

A certain downmarket British tabloid * had two theories about Winehouse's death on its front page on Sunday, one claiming she "drank herself to death" and the other claiming she'd bought a buffet of drugs the night before. Now, I know you want to give your readers voyeuristic if not necessarily factually based thrills but make sure your claims don't contradict each other, at least not on the front of your website.

2. Don't use their corpse to bang your own drum.

Melanie Phillips waited a whole 48 hours before using Winehouse's death to launch into her favourite subject: "Britain has degenerated." But the prize goes to the Huffington Post with its article, "Amy Winehouse's Untimely Death is a Wake Up Call for Small Business Owners." Yes, and what does it tell us about the importance of organic vegetables? Stay classy, Arianna.

3. Don't use it to promote yourself.

More for fellow celebrities, this. U2 dedicated Stuck in a Moment to Winehouse, a gesture that would be more touching if (a) Bono hadn't already claimed it was for Michael Hutchence (one dead singer is the same as the next, eh?) and (b) if Winehouse hadn't famously told Bono to shut up at an awards ceremony and therefore, presumably was not a U2 fan. As for you, MIA, releasing a song called 27 pegged to Winehouse's death makes the time you claimed Gaddafi was "one of my style icons" look relatively tasteful.

4. And speaking of 27, enough about 27.

Yes, Winehouse died at 27. And so did some other celebrities! But how many died in the month of March? Or at 10:19pm? This 27 Club nonsense awkwardly hoiks separate individuals together and insinuates that their deaths are part of a great rock'n'roll tradition.

5. And speaking of tradition, enough of the "death foretold" nonsense.

Yes, Winehouse had her troubles but there was nothing "inevitable" about her or anyone's tragically premature death. I interviewed her in 2004 and she was funny, confident and healthy. I next saw her three years later at Benicassim, emaciated, disoriented and literally falling down the steps of an outside toilet. That was not "foretold". That was shocking.

6. Don't print photos or details that you gleaned through possibly distasteful means.

It would be very interesting to know how certain tabloids attained such detailed knowledge of Winehouse's alleged final drug purchase *, say, or how they always knew where to find her to take photos of her.

7. No puns, please.

It is a de rigueur part of covering the death of a celebrity – you gotta pun on the title of one of their songs or films, right? Actually, you don't. The New York Post's "They Tried to Make Her Go To Rehab, She Said No No No" was as predictable as it was stupid. But it was an American breakfast TV show that really, hopefully, took this schtick to its nadir, punning, sorta, on Winehouse's song title You Know I'm No Good to You Know I'm Dead.

I'm sure we're all looking forward to the Back to Black headlines following her funeral.






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