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Reply #475 - Aug 12th, 2011 at 7:43am Alert Board Moderator about this Post! 
Mick can hardly be blamed for focusing on something real (SuperHeavy) ahead of something hypothetical (Stones activity)
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SoulPlunderer wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 7:36am:
Jumacfly wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 7:19am:
I hate it. Clichés, all those Marley stuff ("this is mick jagger joss stone.." yes we also got eyes thank you), Worst Mick's brushing since the 80's, AR Ramahn and the dancers in front of the car...
Time for me to go back to the Ronnie thread to hear great rock n roll Wink

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The whole point is that it's not just more Rock N Roll. What's the issue with A R Rahman exactly?
And most of Ronnie's last album could be described as pretty cliché.

Isn't it better that Mick wants to do something new and potentially innovative at this point in his career rather than just trotting out a typical Stones album + tour to try and make some can that he doesn't even need?

I wonder will this thing even be commercially successful. Probably not, although the Rahman involvement could push it to be big in India.



AR Ramahn coming with indian dancers, dave stewart with his superheavy tatoo, Marley with the jamaican flag... To me this is cliché, but I have a real problem with mainstream and commercial music and videos Boring post

But you re right with the fact that Mick can do something different, I won't judge him but it's just not my cup of tea  Interesting stuff Ronnie!
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Reply #478 - Aug 12th, 2011 at 9:01am Alert Board Moderator about this Post! 
I've loved the sound and feel of Miracle Worker from the first time I heard it and thought the video captured the spirit of the song very well.   Smiley

Will Super Heavy be a commercial success?  I don't know.  I've liked everything I've heard up to now with the exception of Satymeva Jayate.  I think it's been successful on a personal level for all involved - and how often does that happen with what passes for today's instant hits?
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I like the video. It's colorful and perfect for summer. It's a very good pop song.
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A simple pop song...quite catchy tune...
I hope this side project doesn't derail any "other" plans.
Sir Mick looks good in the Hot Pink...but at times looks like he trying to hard to "move like Jagger".
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Mick still commands a stage and is the consumate front man....but for me his singing was much more enjoyable and passionate on the real early stuff....12x5...Aftermath everything up to and including Sticky.....then downhill as he tried to be Mick the star..or Mick the current trend. If he wanted to he could be one of the best blues singers ever by going back to his roots. I think his vocals these days sound forced...maybe it is just me?
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LadyJane wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 7:40am:
The supposition, per a fairly reliable source, was that Keith traveled to England to meet with Charlie and Mick to discuss future Band plans. Further supposition is that Mick cut meeting very short to leave for India (for Superheavy work (?) pissing off Keith and Charlie.

Pure supposition. Shouldn't have mentioned it I suppose. IF true it really isn't a big deal amongst lifelong mates. But with time running out, any delay in getting these guys on the same page, is disturbing to me.



So they did meet (thats what I recall hearing at the time, which is what surprised me when I read your comment that he'd 'blown them out')

I also recall being told that at said meeting, things were somewhat frosty to say the least. For obvious reasons!

But how long does a band meeting take?  Seriously? Three hours?  Six hours?  

And how difficult can it be for four semi-retired multi-millionaires who are otherwise doing very little to reconvene in one room? Shit - they can have a meeting by videolink if they wanted to.

If the guy is in the middle of working on a record, then sometimes things come up at short notice that need worked on. Its really no big deal.

And this 'time running out' thing I dont get either. Its not as if theyre terminally ill, and a couple of weeks delay is going to change anything.  If deadlines for doing something before a tour is a big deal, they're more aware of that than any of us, I'd guess.
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gimmekeef wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 10:42am:
Mick still commands a stage and is the consumate front man....but for me his singing was much more enjoyable and passionate on the real early stuff....12x5...Aftermath everything up to and including Sticky.....then downhill as he tried to be Mick the star..or Mick the current trend. If he wanted to he could be one of the best blues singers ever by going back to his roots. I think his vocals these days sound forced...maybe it is just me?

I agree about the forced vocals.  I heard it in the Stu recording, some of the stuff on ABB. 
Maybe what we end up with, unless there's a producer they enlist who will have their way
towards ending it.
Video has a good feel, maybe a slight too chummy, however, that is a small knock on my part.
New music, with Mick at the helm, is a good thang....
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Nellcote wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 11:03am:
I agree about the forced vocals.  I heard it in the Stu recording, some of the stuff on ABB.  
Maybe what we end up with, unless there's a producer they enlist who will have their way
towards ending it.
Video has a good feel, maybe a slight too chummy, however, that is a small knock on my part.
New music, with Mick at the helm, is a good thang....


Agree with all of that. There's a bit of self-parody in that video, although on the positive side, the suit is growing on me!

Still like the song, though. Joss steals it, however. She sounds really good on it.
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I like the video although it is cheesy in parts. Even though I like the song, I said when it came out that I'm not a big fan of this toasting nonsense. I would have liked to have heard Marley sing rather than rap. Mick looks great and threw in some newer moves and stole the show. I actually think the vocal has an edge that Mick hasn't had in years.

What I find funny is that Mick should reorganize his whole schedule of actually doing something to meet with someone who insults him at every opportunity and whose activity is at best lending guitars to an odd guest appearance for every 5 years and, at worst, trotting out cliches for a blues or country documentary once in a while. Apparently the Winos are working again, so that plus the Wingless Angels makes 2 efforts in 20 years- what a true passion for creativity he has.
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LadyJane wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 7:40am:
The supposition, per a fairly reliable source, was that Keith traveled to England to meet with Charlie and Mick to discuss future Band plans. Further supposition is that Mick cut meeting very short to leave for India (for Superheavy work (?) pissing off Keith and Charlie.

Pure supposition. Shouldn't have mentioned it I suppose. IF true it really isn't a big deal amongst lifelong mates. But with time running out, any delay in getting these guys on the same page, is disturbing to me.

As for the video, it's okay. Not my cup of tea and I'd rather see new material from Mick with The Stones, but he's Mick, I love him and no one comes close to him. He's still got it.

LJ


Given the huge fan base AR has in India, it seems that if the AR-Jagger meeting in India did take place it would have generated some headlines.  And those headlines would have found their way here.  Not saying it didn't happen, just seems unlikely.  Even if the meeting was kept quiet, Mick's arrival and presence would not have gone unnoticed.
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Mick sounds fantastic in Miracle Worker!  I suspected he would.  But I don't like the song as a whole.  Joss Stone's vocal sticks out instead of blending with the others to me.

The video is just too cheesy.  Although I love Mick's hat!  In making sure everyone had their screen time on their little stamp on it the video became a mess.
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SoulPlunderer wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 7:36am:
Jumacfly wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 7:19am:
I hate it. Clichés, all those Marley stuff ("this is mick jagger joss stone.." yes we also got eyes thank you), Worst Mick's brushing since the 80's, AR Ramahn and the dancers in front of the car...
Time for me to go back to the Ronnie thread to hear great rock n roll Wink

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The whole point is that it's not just more Rock N Roll. What's the issue with A R Rahman exactly?
And most of Ronnie's last album could be described as pretty cliché.

Isn't it better that Mick wants to do something new and potentially innovative at this point in his career rather than just trotting out a typical Stones album + tour to try and make some can that he doesn't even need?

I wonder will this thing even be commercially successful. Probably not, although the Rahman involvement could push it to be big in India.

Disagree with you about Ronnie's last album. Thought it was pretty good. Some nice rock tunes on it. Think the Stones could pull off a decent album if they put some effort into it.
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Gazza wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 11:13am:
Nellcote wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 11:03am:
I agree about the forced vocals.  I heard it in the Stu recording, some of the stuff on ABB.  
Maybe what we end up with, unless there's a producer they enlist who will have their way
towards ending it.
Video has a good feel, maybe a slight too chummy, however, that is a small knock on my part.
New music, with Mick at the helm, is a good thang....


Agree with all of that. There's a bit of self-parody in that video, although on the positive side, the suit is growing on me!

Still like the song, though. Joss steals it, however. She sounds really good on it.


She looks pretty good in the video too.  Wink
Seriously though, I like Joss and I hope the public takes to her again like they did when she was younger. She's no Amy but she still has one of the best voices around and its good to hear a young singer like her not using that voice for dull, over-produced pop ballads etc.


In terms of Mick's vocals, they are a bit OTT, but any review of the song that I've read have complimented them. He sounds better in some of the other tracks from the studio video and has some great interplay with Joss and Marley. I'm looking forward to hearing his guitar playing get a more prominent role, maybe even a few solos.
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Gazza wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 11:13am:
Nellcote wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 11:03am:
I agree about the forced vocals.  I heard it in the Stu recording, some of the stuff on ABB.  
Maybe what we end up with, unless there's a producer they enlist who will have their way
towards ending it.
Video has a good feel, maybe a slight too chummy, however, that is a small knock on my part.
New music, with Mick at the helm, is a good thang....


Agree with all of that. There's a bit of self-parody in that video, although on the positive side, the suit is growing on me!

Still like the song, though. Joss steals it, however. She sounds really good on it.


Gazza......you like that suit?........lol...geeez next you will be humming Livin on a Prayer!
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gimmekeef wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 12:13pm:
Gazza wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 11:13am:
Nellcote wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 11:03am:
I agree about the forced vocals.  I heard it in the Stu recording, some of the stuff on ABB.  
Maybe what we end up with, unless there's a producer they enlist who will have their way
towards ending it.
Video has a good feel, maybe a slight too chummy, however, that is a small knock on my part.
New music, with Mick at the helm, is a good thang....


Agree with all of that. There's a bit of self-parody in that video, although on the positive side, the suit is growing on me!

Still like the song, though. Joss steals it, however. She sounds really good on it.


Gazza......you like that suit?........lol...geeez next you will be humming Livin on a Prayer!


Statements like that are punishable by death I believe...
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gimmekeef wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 12:13pm:
Gazza wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 11:13am:
Nellcote wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 11:03am:
I agree about the forced vocals.  I heard it in the Stu recording, some of the stuff on ABB.  
Maybe what we end up with, unless there's a producer they enlist who will have their way
towards ending it.
Video has a good feel, maybe a slight too chummy, however, that is a small knock on my part.
New music, with Mick at the helm, is a good thang....


Agree with all of that. There's a bit of self-parody in that video, although on the positive side, the suit is growing on me!

Still like the song, though. Joss steals it, however. She sounds really good on it.


Gazza......you like that suit?........lol...geeez next you will be humming Livin on a Prayer!

Or even worse. Streets of Love. Have you no fucking shame?
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Geeezus H  Chrissssssssst...just watched that video....havent cringed as much since Macca and Jacko cruised by on that truck in Ebony and Ivory............
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sweetcharmedlife wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 2:02pm:
gimmekeef wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 12:13pm:
Gazza wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 11:13am:
Nellcote wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 11:03am:
I agree about the forced vocals.  I heard it in the Stu recording, some of the stuff on ABB.  
Maybe what we end up with, unless there's a producer they enlist who will have their way
towards ending it.
Video has a good feel, maybe a slight too chummy, however, that is a small knock on my part.
New music, with Mick at the helm, is a good thang....


Agree with all of that. There's a bit of self-parody in that video, although on the positive side, the suit is growing on me!

Still like the song, though. Joss steals it, however. She sounds really good on it.


Gazza......you like that suit?........lol...geeez next you will be humming Livin on a Prayer!

Or even worse. Streets of Love. Have you no fucking shame?


Surely even Streets Of Love beats Linin' On A Prayer?!?
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gimmekeef wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 12:13pm:
Gazza wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 11:13am:
Nellcote wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 11:03am:
I agree about the forced vocals.  I heard it in the Stu recording, some of the stuff on ABB.  
Maybe what we end up with, unless there's a producer they enlist who will have their way
towards ending it.
Video has a good feel, maybe a slight too chummy, however, that is a small knock on my part.
New music, with Mick at the helm, is a good thang....


Agree with all of that. There's a bit of self-parody in that video, although on the positive side, the suit is growing on me!

Still like the song, though. Joss steals it, however. She sounds really good on it.


Gazza......you like that suit?........lol...geeez next you will be humming Livin on a Prayer!


I'll kick you up the hole for that!

Like it? No. But a few days ago I was saying it was the worst thing I've seen him wear since 'Bent'.
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LadyJane wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 7:40am:
The supposition, per a fairly reliable source, was that Keith traveled to England to meet with Charlie and Mick to discuss future Band plans. Further supposition is that Mick cut meeting very short to leave for India (for Superheavy work (?) pissing off Keith and Charlie.

Pure supposition. Shouldn't have mentioned it I suppose. IF true it really isn't a big deal amongst lifelong mates. But with time running out, any delay in getting these guys on the same page, is disturbing to me.

As for the video, it's okay. Not my cup of tea and I'd rather see new material from Mick with The Stones, but he's Mick, I love him and no one comes close to him. He's still got it.

LJ


Given the huge fan base AR has in India, it seems that if the AR-Jagger meeting in India did take place it would have generated some headlines.  And those headlines would have found their way here.  Not saying it didn't happen, just seems unlikely.  Even if the meeting was kept quiet, Mick's arrival and presence would not have gone unnoticed.


All very true. And news stories from India on the Stones do tend to filter through to here.

I think many people are overlooking how big a star Rahman is on the Indian subcontinent. And that him working or even hanging out with someone like Jagger would be a far bigger story over there (where both of them are big stars) than it would in the west, where only one of them is.
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OK.. the video is just too much...

The whole "feel" of the song is off to me. I don't know what bothers me most- the reggae or Micks over the top singing.  Josh is excellent.  But the three of them together just doesn't cut it for me. The video really doesn't help the song either. I really am trying to like it.....
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