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Reply #25 - Apr 16th, 2011 at 12:01pm
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" the humiliating firesales that Cohl dreamed up to shift thousands of unsold seats in tarped off stadiums on the last American tour the Stones did. Thankfully, I don't think Cohl will be on board for the next tour.   "


<  ------ weatherwise  ,  performing a concert at Chicago's Soldier Field towards the end of September is very ' risky ' at best  . The decision by Cohl to book the band in said stadium during the middle of October in 2006 is completely unconscionable and utterly unforgivable by Mick & Keef .


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Reply #26 - Apr 16th, 2011 at 12:06pm
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I think they will tour. Aug 2012 to Aug 2013 is my guess. If Keith is really struggling I could see Waddy Watchel in the back line. Forget Taylor or Bill doing a full tour - Maybe a few UK guest spots  ,but the aren't up to / willing to go on the road for a world tour IMHO .

Keith is the only doubt. Can he play chords?,Can he stay sober? (and not fuck up tours by falling off ladders,trees etc. - HE WAS DRUNK). Can he keep his fucking bitter,childish MOUTH SHUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!?

I'm sorry to sound harsh about the man that I once worshipped as the coolest on the planet, but I've just finished reading "Life".

I know the moment he walks out and plays Satisfaction ,SMU , JJF or whatever it will all be forgotten.


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Reply #27 - Apr 16th, 2011 at 11:20pm
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It's all over when I say it's all over, and I say bring on 2012. Or 2013!
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Reply #28 - Apr 16th, 2011 at 11:39pm
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Reply #30 - Apr 17th, 2011 at 5:38pm
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I think we're gonna see them next year as a band and I'm sure that even if one of them dies and the Rolling Stones as a band end we're gonna see them playing as solo musicians or the new barbarians or the "rucoling stones"or something, they won't stop, playing rock is addictive and they have more than 50 years playing it!

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Reply #31 - Apr 17th, 2011 at 7:05pm
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"  ..  they won't stop, playing rock is addictive and they have more than 50 years playing it!   "

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Reply #32 - Apr 17th, 2011 at 10:14pm
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Nice to see this hasn't fallen to page 2.
I'm pleasantly surprised by the replies.
You give me hope.

My conclusion is that this all about Keith's ability to play for extended periods.
However,  if anyone is going to invoke that old adage "Rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated,
it's our Keef".  Are you fucking serious?

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Reply #33 - Apr 18th, 2011 at 8:04am
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CHARLIE ONCE SAID "I THINK THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN WE'RE GONNA LOOK PRETTY STUPID STILL DOING IT". ITHINK THAT TIME HAS ARRIVED.
I DONT THINK ANY OF US BELIEVE THAT 5 YEARS AFTER AN INCREDIBLY INCONSISTENT TOUR THAT THEY CAN REBOUND TO DELIVER THE WAY WE'RE USED TO AND DRAW THE CROWDS THAT MICK'S EGO DEMANDS.

THEY HAVE GIVEN US SO MUCH, AND HAVE SUCH A GREAT LEGACY..."SHINE A LIGHT" IS A GREAT WAY TO GO OUT.


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Reply #34 - Apr 18th, 2011 at 8:15am
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BILL PERKS wrote on Apr 18th, 2011 at 8:04am:
CHARLIE ONCE SAID "I THINK THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN WE'RE GONNA LOOK PRETTY STUPID STILL DOING IT". ITHINK THAT TIME HAS ARRIVED.
I DONT THINK ANY OF US BELIEVE THAT 5 YEARS AFTER AN INCREDIBLY INCONSISTENT TOUR THAT THEY CAN REBOUND TO DELIVER THE WAY WE'RE USED TO AND DRAW THE CROWDS THAT MICK'S EGO DEMANDS.

THEY HAVE GIVEN US SO MUCH, AND HAVE SUCH A GREAT LEGACY..."SHINE A LIGHT" IS A GREAT WAY TO GO OUT.


GAZZA YOUR POST WAS SUBLIME,AS USUAL.


Sadly I Agree

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Reply #35 - Apr 18th, 2011 at 3:53pm
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If people don't care for the last tour, the last record, the last gig, the most recent picture, a book, how someone plays, sings, or doesn't sound like what they heard in 1972, then it's time to pack up and roll on. There are other bands to become fans of. I'm not giving up on this band. At times in my life, this band are all I have.

I for one am waiting for the next time I have Lady Jane on one side of me and GTRM on the other and we're dancing and singing along to the greatest rock and roll band-The Rolling Stones.
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Reply #36 - Apr 18th, 2011 at 4:26pm
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Voodoo Chile in Wonderland wrote on Apr 17th, 2011 at 5:38pm:
I think we're gonna see them next year as a band and I'm sure that even if one of them dies and the Rolling Stones as a band end we're gonna see them playing as solo musicians or the new barbarians or the "rucoling stones"or something, they won't stop, playing rock is addictive and they have more than 50 years playing it!

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Reply #37 - Apr 18th, 2011 at 4:27pm
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Steel Wheels wrote on Apr 18th, 2011 at 3:53pm:
If people don't care for the last tour, the last record, the last gig, the most recent picture, a book, how someone plays, sings, or doesn't sound like what they heard in 1972, then it's time to pack up and roll on. There are other bands to become fans of. I'm not giving up on this band. At times in my life, this band are all I have.

I for one am waiting for the next time I have Lady Jane on one side of me and GTRM on the other and we're dancing and singing along to the greatest rock and roll band-The Rolling Stones.


I WOULD LOVE IT TO HAPPEN TOO ! JUST DON'T THINK IT WILL. TIME WAITS FOR NO ONE.
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Reply #38 - Apr 18th, 2011 at 5:43pm
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" CHARLIE ONCE SAID "I THINK THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN WE'RE GONNA LOOK PRETTY STUPID STILL DOING IT". ITHINK THAT TIME HAS ARRIVED.
I DONT THINK ANY OF US BELIEVE THAT 5 YEARS AFTER AN INCREDIBLY INCONSISTENT TOUR THAT THEY CAN REBOUND TO DELIVER THE WAY WE'RE USED TO AND DRAW THE CROWDS THAT MICK'S EGO DEMANDS.  "

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Reply #40 - Apr 18th, 2011 at 9:45pm
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BILL PERKS wrote on Apr 18th, 2011 at 8:04am:
CHARLIE ONCE SAID "I THINK THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN WE'RE GONNA LOOK PRETTY STUPID STILL DOING IT". ITHINK THAT TIME HAS ARRIVED.
I DONT THINK ANY OF US BELIEVE THAT 5 YEARS AFTER AN INCREDIBLY INCONSISTENT TOUR THAT THEY CAN REBOUND TO DELIVER THE WAY WE'RE USED TO AND DRAW THE CROWDS THAT MICK'S EGO DEMANDS.

THEY HAVE GIVEN US SO MUCH, AND HAVE SUCH A GREAT LEGACY..."SHINE A LIGHT" IS A GREAT WAY TO GO OUT.


GAZZA YOUR POST WAS SUBLIME,AS USUAL.

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Reply #41 - Apr 19th, 2011 at 3:01am
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They should spend summer in Australia, keeping warm and their fingers nimble by playing sold out shows across the country at a comfortable pace, having a beer with me at my club (there IS a small stage there! just saying) and try out new and unheard of songs, before hitting the U.S. and making the real dollars.
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Reply #42 - Apr 19th, 2011 at 7:48am
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Paranoid Android wrote on Apr 16th, 2011 at 11:39pm:
New ( realistic ) Business Model = Residencies + Mid Markets + "No Security" attitude - Ego -  Cohl Model  = Successful 50th...

Hell...why not just set up shop in London, NYC, Vegas and LA...Clean house...Play/Relax...and go out a winner!!!


Thats exactly what they should do - but its not going to work with the ticket pricing model they use now.

The system they've used on recent tours is fine if you're someone who doesnt go to many shows by ANY act and if you're only going to see the Stones ONCE per tour.

Setting up house at Madison Square Garden, the MGM Grand, the 02 Arena or wherever and playing ten shows or so is only workable if you're going to attract repeat attendees and/or tourists. If you're flying to see a gig and paying for hotels, most people's options are going to be seriously limited if they're being asked to pay a week's salary for a concert ticket as well. Its even worse if you're wanting to see more than one show.

It works for the likes of Prince because most of his tickets are very cheap, but its subsidised by having a small % which are very expensive. Most of his tickets in London in 2007 were £31.21. He filled 21 nights at the 02. Thats over 400,000 seats. Most Stones tickets were five times as expensive. They just about sold out three shows. Prince is doing 21 nights at the LA Forum now with most tickets costing $25 - there are a few hundred I think which cost several hundred dollars. That's the way to do it. On the last tour the Stones hardly ever played more than one or two nights anywhere - they did a few return visits to major markets like New York and LA, but basically had to time those to take place 5-6 months later to allow the ticketbuyer's wallets to recover from their previous visit.
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Reply #43 - Apr 19th, 2011 at 8:50am
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My credit card just winced !

I seem to remember a very large percentage of seats for the o2 were at top price - £150 + fees . I would be surprised if they could get away with that in the current climate.

I think besides the Keith issues, the other main factor is that people (me included) aren't willing / able to run up big credit card bills  to fund a tour 6 months in advance of any shows.


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Reply #44 - Apr 19th, 2011 at 1:51pm
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Gazza wrote on Apr 19th, 2011 at 7:48am:
Paranoid Android wrote on Apr 16th, 2011 at 11:39pm:
New ( realistic ) Business Model = Residencies + Mid Markets + "No Security" attitude - Ego -  Cohl Model  = Successful 50th...

Hell...why not just set up shop in London, NYC, Vegas and LA...Clean house...Play/Relax...and go out a winner!!!


Thats exactly what they should do - but its not going to work with the ticket pricing model they use now.

The system they've used on recent tours is fine if you're someone who doesnt go to many shows by ANY act and if you're only going to see the Stones ONCE per tour.

Setting up house at Madison Square Garden, the MGM Grand, the 02 Arena or wherever and playing ten shows or so is only workable if you're going to attract repeat attendees and/or tourists. If you're flying to see a gig and paying for hotels, most people's options are going to be seriously limited if they're being asked to pay a week's salary for a concert ticket as well. Its even worse if you're wanting to see more than one show.

It works for the likes of Prince because most of his tickets are very cheap, but its subsidised by having a small % which are very expensive. Most of his tickets in London in 2007 were £31.21. He filled 21 nights at the 02. Thats over 400,000 seats. Most Stones tickets were five times as expensive. They just about sold out three shows. Prince is doing 21 nights at the LA Forum now with most tickets costing $25 - there are a few hundred I think which cost several hundred dollars. That's the way to do it. On the last tour the Stones hardly ever played more than one or two nights anywhere - they did a few return visits to major markets like New York and LA, but basically had to time those to take place 5-6 months later to allow the ticketbuyer's wallets to recover from their previous visit.


That works, but you forgot a spot in the States...the Middle.  Denver, Kansas City or St. Louis has to be in there.  It's still too expensive to travel, plus hotel, tickets and lost work time for the average person to make it from the middle to the coasts.  Not too mention that hotels rates are double and triple in NYC and LA for the same hotel chains as they are in any of the midwest cities.  Play four nights at one of the arenas there...although I admit I'm biased to the Sprint Center.  Otherwise, I agree with you two 100%.
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Reply #45 - Apr 19th, 2011 at 2:46pm
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AngieBlue wrote on Apr 19th, 2011 at 1:51pm:
Gazza wrote on Apr 19th, 2011 at 7:48am:
Paranoid Android wrote on Apr 16th, 2011 at 11:39pm:
New ( realistic ) Business Model = Residencies + Mid Markets + "No Security" attitude - Ego -  Cohl Model  = Successful 50th...

Hell...why not just set up shop in London, NYC, Vegas and LA...Clean house...Play/Relax...and go out a winner!!!


Thats exactly what they should do - but its not going to work with the ticket pricing model they use now.

The system they've used on recent tours is fine if you're someone who doesnt go to many shows by ANY act and if you're only going to see the Stones ONCE per tour.

Setting up house at Madison Square Garden, the MGM Grand, the 02 Arena or wherever and playing ten shows or so is only workable if you're going to attract repeat attendees and/or tourists. If you're flying to see a gig and paying for hotels, most people's options are going to be seriously limited if they're being asked to pay a week's salary for a concert ticket as well. Its even worse if you're wanting to see more than one show.

It works for the likes of Prince because most of his tickets are very cheap, but its subsidised by having a small % which are very expensive. Most of his tickets in London in 2007 were £31.21. He filled 21 nights at the 02. Thats over 400,000 seats. Most Stones tickets were five times as expensive. They just about sold out three shows. Prince is doing 21 nights at the LA Forum now with most tickets costing $25 - there are a few hundred I think which cost several hundred dollars. That's the way to do it. On the last tour the Stones hardly ever played more than one or two nights anywhere - they did a few return visits to major markets like New York and LA, but basically had to time those to take place 5-6 months later to allow the ticketbuyer's wallets to recover from their previous visit.


That works, but you forgot a spot in the States...the Middle.  Denver, Kansas City or St. Louis has to be in there.  It's still too expensive to travel, plus hotel, tickets and lost work time for the average person to make it from the middle to the coasts.  Not too mention that hotels rates are double and triple in NYC and LA for the same hotel chains as they are in any of the midwest cities.  Play four nights at one of the arenas there...although I admit I'm biased to the Sprint Center.  Otherwise, I agree with you two 100%.

Well if they used that model,then Chicago would be the most likely place for a midwest residency.
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Reply #46 - Apr 19th, 2011 at 3:10pm
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Reply #47 - Apr 21st, 2011 at 3:53pm
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To answer the question, YES. Just not in the same way as before. Didn't Keith say they were looking for a way to grow old.
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Reply #48 - Apr 21st, 2011 at 4:41pm
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not sure now. I was jamming to Plundered on the way home and that might be them riding off into the sunset. Better seen on weed!
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Reply #49 - May 8th, 2011 at 10:46am
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I have a question --

Is the Marquee still open in London?

Can you imagine a final show there with all living members, past and present?

Film it.  That would be the way to end it.  They can end it where they started it.

Just my 2 cents....

Regardless, they are still "The World's Greatest Rock and Roll Band"

Long live The Stones!
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