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Reply #25 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 4:20pm
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Some Guy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 7:04am:
huge letdown at the time


But didn't the album cover lessen the blow? Sure, we had already heard One Hit on MTV....but looking in the Rolling Stones bin at the record store and being blinded by that neon monstrosity just depressed the hell out of me.
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Reply #26 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 5:19pm
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Dirty Work hasn't been in the CD player since I transfered a couple of the better tracks to my i-Pod a cople of years ago - and it had been a couple of years prior that, when I last actually listened to the release. It's shite... utter shite.
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Reply #27 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 6:34pm
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Some Guy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 7:04am:
huge letdown at the time


But didn't the album cover lessen the blow? Sure, we had already heard One Hit on MTV....but looking in the Rolling Stones bin at the record store and being blinded by that neon monstrosity just depressed the hell out of me.


'Harlem Shuffle' was the first single - coming out a couple of weeks ahead of the album in March.

They didnt release 'One Hit' as a single until the summer. The video was only filmed in May '86. The reason Charlie is so truculent in that famous interview on the set of it is because he had planned to go to watch Tottenham playing in Ossie Ardiles' testimonial game that night, but had to cancel his plans to sit around a movie set filming a music video - something he hates doing at the best of times.
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Harlem Shuffle....
Dang, I'd forgotten about that. I remember thinking it odd that after three years and Mick's solos, they would release a cover for their first single.
They'd done it before (Aint to Proud..), but not as the lead-in to a new Stones album after all that time.
I do remember the buzz of a new Stones album, but even for an obsessed fan, Jagger's solo shenanigans had me doubtful of what Dirty Work would be. I have not listened to it since 1986.
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I like Winning Ugly.
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Some Guy wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 6:55pm:
I like Winning Ugly.


...As a Jagger solo track, maybe.

Take off the three worst songs - Winning Ugly, Back to Zero, Fight*...

Polish up the three best outtakes - What Am I Gonna Do with Your Love, Too Much For Me, Strictly Memphis...

Put some better lyrics on Hold Back...

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Reply #31 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 9:46pm
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The song Dirty Work is a good representative of the album. Could have been decent but the horrid production, mix, vocals, echo, etc. turned it to shite. You take out Hold Back, Back to Zero, Winning Ugly, and Fight, then you can work with something. However, that's half the album so it says a lot there.

The interesting thing for me about Dirty Work is that it shows that all this Keith is the heart of the Stones bullshit was shown to be utter crap. Charlie has said it before but without Mick, the Stones would be a shambles, no matter what Keith wants to trot out once in a while.
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Reply #32 - Feb 24th, 2011 at 7:03am
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texile wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 6:43pm:
Harlem Shuffle....
Dang, I'd forgotten about that. I remember thinking it odd that after three years and Mick's solos, they would release a cover for their first single.
They'd done it before (Aint to Proud..), but not as the lead-in to a new Stones album after all that time.
I do remember the buzz of a new Stones album, but even for an obsessed fan, Jagger's solo shenanigans had me doubtful of what Dirty Work would be. I have not listened to it since 1986.


IORR was the first single off the IORR album. Aint Too Proud To Beg was the follow up - in the US Wwhilst two singles was the norm on all US albums after they formed Rolling Stones Records, the UK didnt get a second single until 1978, when we got 'Respectable' (they released 'Beast of Burden' in the US instead, and then a third US-only single, 'Shattered').

The 2nd singles from all the albums from Sticky Fingers through Black and Blue (ie, Wild Horses, Happy, Heartbreaker, Aint Too Proud to Beg, Hot Stuff) were only released in the USA.

'Dirty Work' is also the only studio album unrepresented on '40 Licks'. All the others have their main 'hits' included on that compilation. I dont think I'm being cynical in assuming it was solely because the hit from that album happened to be a cover version and they could substitute it for another Jagger-Richards song off another album which would mean more royalties. It's one of two quite glaring omissions on that release - the other being 'Little Red Rooster', which was a number 1 in the UK and the only bonafide blues record in history to be a chart topper anywhere in the world.  Unfortunately, its also a cover, so there was obviously some kind of agenda when it comes to picking songs for that release to minimise the amount of cover versions that had to be included!
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Reply #33 - Feb 24th, 2011 at 8:58am
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Dirty Work broke my heart and made me question my very faith in rock'n'roll.
I was not healed until 1989 when they played Bitch and Shattered as the second and third songs of my first live Stones show.
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Dirty Work broke my heart and made me question my very faith in rock'n'roll.

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Reply #35 - Feb 24th, 2011 at 11:10am
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polytoxic wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 8:58am:
Dirty Work broke my heart and made me question my very faith in rock'n'roll.
I was not healed until 1989 when they played Bitch and Shattered as the second and third songs of my first live Stones show.


to me that's strange..
I'd say that Dirty Work is way more rock'n'roll than the sterile, polished Steel Wheels and the following three studio albums..
Sure, there IS utter shite on the album (Winning Ugly, Back to zero), and even at its peak it's a bit of a mess (One Hit), but to me Dirty Work is still the last interesting Stones album.

and yes I know this is not a widely held belief..
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Reply #36 - Feb 24th, 2011 at 12:46pm
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Dirty Work was the first Stones album that I could buy new for myself.  I was disappointed.  All that anticipation, especially after what mom did to Undercover.  Anyway I had just moved out, took it home, dropped the needle and C'mon Man!
It sounded overdone - still does.  Like when you know you have over salted the stew and try every thing in the world to fix but it still tastes like crap.

I still like One Hit to the Body and Sleep Tonight.  I played Sleep Tonight to death.  I love the way it switches from major to minor chords on the piano. 

Bill Wyman made the comment in 89 that Mick wrote his songs and Keith wrote his songs and some form or other of the band recorded them.  I think it was on MTV when they had that Stones weekend for the 89 tour.  It has stuck in my mind because it explained why Dirty Work sounded so bad.
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AngieBlue wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 12:46pm:
Dirty Work was the first Stones album that I could buy new for myself.  I was disappointed.  All that anticipation, especially after what mom did to Undercover.  Anyway I had just moved out, took it home, dropped the needle and C'mon Man!
It sounded overdone - still does.  Like when you know you have over salted the stew and try every thing in the world to fix but it still tastes like crap.

I still like One Hit to the Body and Sleep Tonight.  I played Sleep Tonight to death.  I love the way it switches from major to minor chords on the piano.  

Bill Wyman made the comment in 89 that Mick wrote his songs and Keith wrote his songs and some form or other of the band recorded them.  I think it was on MTV when they had that Stones weekend for the 89 tour.  It has stuck in my mind because it explained why Dirty Work sounded so bad.

What did mom do to Undercover?
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The Undercover story -
I was 15 when it came out.  Mom had gone through this religious thing and HATED the Stones. Deep, burning, HATRED.  They were scum and the root of all evil.  No kidding.  This from a woman who loved Elvis. And to this day no one knows why she hated the Stones the way she did.  She said they were the devil himself.

My best friend knew the Stones were my favorite band and bought Undercover for me for Christmas.  Naturally, she got it on vinyl which is harder to hide.  Mom found it, burned the album in the wood burning stove and left the cover for me to find.  I was grounded for three months for daring to bring that into her house even after my best friend and her mother tried to soothe things over.  That's the short version of the story.
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AngieBlue wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 1:51pm:
The Undercover story -
I was 15 when it came out.  Mom had gone through this religious thing and HATED the Stones. Deep, burning, HATRED.  They were scum and the root of all evil.  No kidding.  This from a woman who loved Elvis. And to this day no one knows why she hated the Stones the way she did.  She said they were the devil himself.

My best friend knew the Stones were my favorite band and bought Undercover for me for Christmas.  Naturally, she got it on vinyl which is harder to hide.  Mom found it, burned the album in the wood burning stove and left the cover for me to find.  I was grounded for three months for daring to bring that into her house even after my best friend and her mother tried to soothe things over.  That's the short version of the story.


You did 3 months hard time for Undercover?.....Angie you are my heroin!!!!!!oops maybe I misseed an "e" on heroine????..both fit here!
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Gazza wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 7:03am:
texile wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 6:43pm:
Harlem Shuffle....
Dang, I'd forgotten about that. I remember thinking it odd that after three years and Mick's solos, they would release a cover for their first single.
They'd done it before (Aint to Proud..), but not as the lead-in to a new Stones album after all that time.
I do remember the buzz of a new Stones album, but even for an obsessed fan, Jagger's solo shenanigans had me doubtful of what Dirty Work would be. I have not listened to it since 1986.


IORR was the first single off the IORR album. Aint Too Proud To Beg was the follow up - in the US Wwhilst two singles was the norm on all US albums after they formed Rolling Stones Records, the UK didnt get a second single until 1978, when we got 'Respectable' (they released 'Beast of Burden' in the US instead, and then a third US-only single, 'Shattered').

The 2nd singles from all the albums from Sticky Fingers through Black and Blue (ie, Wild Horses, Happy, Heartbreaker, Aint Too Proud to Beg, Hot Stuff) were only released in the USA.

'Dirty Work' is also the only studio album unrepresented on '40 Licks'. All the others have their main 'hits' included on that compilation. I dont think I'm being cynical in assuming it was solely because the hit from that album happened to be a cover version and they could substitute it for another Jagger-Richards song off another album which would mean more royalties. It's one of two quite glaring omissions on that release - the other being 'Little Red Rooster', which was a number 1 in the UK and the only bonafide blues record in history to be a chart topper anywhere in the world.  Unfortunately, its also a cover, so there was obviously some kind of agenda when it comes to picking songs for that release to minimise the amount of cover versions that had to be included!


I knew Aint too Proud was the second single, that's why I thought it was strange they would  release Harlem Shuffle for the first single ...
Seemed like of lazy....and by-the-numbers.....
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You did 3 months hard time for Undercover?.....Angie you are my heroin!!!!!!oops maybe I misseed an "e" on heroine????..both fit here!


Thanks.  Really it says more about mom than me.  That was just one run in she and I had over the years about the Boys.  Even my kids knew not to bring up the Stones in front of her.  The entire thing is a loooong story.  But when kids in high school would laugh about the Stones being has beens and parents not being upset about them any more; Julia, my best friend, and I would just laugh.  Nope, we still know of one who is!  Grin
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The Undercover story -
I was 15 when it came out.  Mom had gone through this religious thing and HATED the Stones. Deep, burning, HATRED.  They were scum and the root of all evil.  No kidding.  This from a woman who loved Elvis. And to this day no one knows why she hated the Stones the way she did.  She said they were the devil himself.

My best friend knew the Stones were my favorite band and bought Undercover for me for Christmas.  Naturally, she got it on vinyl which is harder to hide.  Mom found it, burned the album in the wood burning stove and left the cover for me to find.  I was grounded for three months for daring to bring that into her house even after my best friend and her mother tried to soothe things over.  That's the short version of the story.

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AngieBlue wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 1:51pm:
The Undercover story -
I was 15 when it came out.  Mom had gone through this religious thing and HATED the Stones. Deep, burning, HATRED.  They were scum and the root of all evil.  No kidding.  This from a woman who loved Elvis. And to this day no one knows why she hated the Stones the way she did.  She said they were the devil himself.

My best friend knew the Stones were my favorite band and bought Undercover for me for Christmas.  Naturally, she got it on vinyl which is harder to hide.  Mom found it, burned the album in the wood burning stove and left the cover for me to find.  I was grounded for three months for daring to bring that into her house even after my best friend and her mother tried to soothe things over.  That's the short version of the story.

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" the horrid production, mix, vocals, echo, etc. turned it to shite.  "

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Dirty Work broke my heart and made me question my very faith in rock'n'roll.


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My best friend knew the Stones were my favorite band and bought Undercover for me for Christmas.  Naturally, she got it on vinyl which is harder to hide.  Mom found it, burned the album in the wood burning stove and left the cover for me to find.  I was grounded for three months for daring to bring that into her house even after my best friend and her mother tried to soothe things over.  That's the short version of the story.


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It could have been a great EP....



1.One Hit (To the Body)
2.Harlem Shuffle
3.Too Rude
4.Dirty Work
5.Had It with You
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I have held off responding to this thread...but in all honesty...

Underated???

I am surprised it is rated at all!!!
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HAD IT WITH YOU
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I love you, dirty fucker
Sister and a brother
Moaning in the moonlight
Singing for your supper
'Cos I had it I had it I had it with you
I had it I had it I had it with you

You always seem to haunt me
Always try to haunt me
Serving out injuctions
Shouting out instructions
But I had it I had it I had it with you
I had it I had it I had it with you
I had it I had it I had it with you

And I love you with a passion
In and out of fashion
Always got behind you
When other tried to blind you
But I had it I had it I had it with you
I had it I had it I had it with you
I had it I had it I had it with you

It is such a sad thing
To watch a good love die
I've had it up to here babe
I've got to say goodbye
'Cos I had it I had it I had it with you
And I had it I had it I had it with you

Loved you in the lean years
Loved you in the fat ones
You're a mean mistreater
You're a dirty dirty rat scum
I had it I had it I had it with you
I had it I had it I had it with you
I had it I had it I had it with you
I had it with you
I had it with you
I had it with you.........    
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