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StickyStones Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 301 Gender:	Wayne Perkins Feb 8^th, 2011 at 7:06pm Looking back, what do you think of this guy? Could he have jived with the Stones? I think he was in retrospect a much better choice than Woody.
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Mel Belli Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,298	Re: Wayne Perkins Reply #4 - Feb 9^th, 2011 at 12:30pm As much as I'm a Taylorite, I think Ronnie brought a lot to the table. He's not a virtuoso, but, at his best, he was a great accompanist. He played like a songwriter -- and wrote some good tunes himself! After the Voodoo Lounge tour, though, it's pretty much been all downhill.
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Re: Wayne Perkins
Reply #5 - Feb 9^th, 2011 at 3:43pm

Mel Belli wrote on Feb 9^th, 2011 at 12:30pm:

As much as I'm a Taylorite, I think Ronnie brought a lot to the table. He's not a virtuoso, but, at his best, he was a great accompanist. He played like a songwriter -- and wrote some good tunes himself! After the Voodoo Lounge tour, though, it's pretty much been all downhill.

What did he write?
See, I just feel like he's never brought anything spectacular to the table. Brian brought all those exotic instruments and that wild Psychedelic style into the Stones--They've never been as experimental as they were with Brian. Taylor worked amazingly with Keith and brought great solos to the fold. Nothing Ron's ever done has like ''shouted out'' at me.

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Holden Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,317 Tampa Bay Gender:	Re: Wayne Perkins Reply #6 - Feb 9^th, 2011 at 4:59pm I've always thought that Ronnie's playing with the Stones, live and in the studio, never came close to how awesome he was with the faces. I'd say Ronnie's best with the Faces comes pretty damn close Keith's best with the Stones.
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Reply #7 - Feb 9^th, 2011 at 4:59pm

StickyStones wrote on Feb 9^th, 2011 at 3:43pm:

Mel Belli wrote on Feb 9^th, 2011 at 12:30pm:

As much as I'm a Taylorite, I think Ronnie brought a lot to the table. He's not a virtuoso, but, at his best, he was a great accompanist. He played like a songwriter -- and wrote some good tunes himself! After the Voodoo Lounge tour, though, it's pretty much been all downhill.

What did he write?
See, I just feel like he's never brought anything spectacular to the table. Brian brought all those exotic instruments and that wild Psychedelic style into the Stones--They've never been as experimental as they were with Brian. Taylor worked amazingly with Keith and brought great solos to the fold. Nothing Ron's ever done has like ''shouted out'' at me.

I feel the same way, what did Ronnie do? what songs? he never created anything original like Taylor & Brian did, he's good at playing their parts, but did he create anything?

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texile Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 935	Re: Wayne Perkins Reply #8 - Feb 9^th, 2011 at 5:40pm Perkins was great, similar in leads to MT, and souful. But he was American, part of that whole Memphis thing. And Ronnie, for all his sloppiness, can be very soulful and funky. Some Girls and Emotional Rescue would have sounded very different without Ronnie.
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Brainbell Jangler Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,331 Portland, OR Gender:	Re: Wayne Perkins Reply #9 - Feb 9^th, 2011 at 6:41pm Zack wrote on Feb 9^th, 2011 at 7:26am: "Wayne" is not a rock and roll name. What about Wayne Fontana?
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Deathgod Rocks Off Regular Offline The Artist Formerly Known as Daethgod Posts: 676 Ocean Grove Australia Earth Gender:	Re: Wayne Perkins Reply #11 - Feb 10^th, 2011 at 7:59pm Didn't Ronnie 'write' : Black Limousine Hey Negrita It's Only Rock n Roll I reckon he might have been heavily involved in a few others...Undercover sessions esp. Didn't Mick 'take' IORR from Ronnies solo session?
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Re: Wayne Perkins
Reply #12 - Feb 10^th, 2011 at 8:29pm

StickyStones wrote on Feb 9^th, 2011 at 3:43pm:

Mel Belli wrote on Feb 9^th, 2011 at 12:30pm:

As much as I'm a Taylorite, I think Ronnie brought a lot to the table. He's not a virtuoso, but, at his best, he was a great accompanist. He played like a songwriter -- and wrote some good tunes himself! After the Voodoo Lounge tour, though, it's pretty much been all downhill.

What did he write?
See, I just feel like he's never brought anything spectacular to the table. Brian brought all those exotic instruments and that wild Psychedelic style into the Stones--They've never been as experimental as they were with Brian. Taylor worked amazingly with Keith and brought great solos to the fold. Nothing Ron's ever done has like ''shouted out'' at me.

Well said. Brian and Mick each brought something real special to the Stones,

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Zack Rocks Off Regular Offline Chiba Face Rules You Bastards! Posts: 1,729 Dakar Gender:	Re: Wayne Perkins Reply #13 - Feb 11^th, 2011 at 1:00am Brainbell Jangler wrote on Feb 9^th, 2011 at 6:41pm: Zack wrote on Feb 9^th, 2011 at 7:26am: "Wayne" is not a rock and roll name. What about Wayne Fontana? The awesomeness of "and the Mindbenders" on the end mitigated the Wayne factor.
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Reply #14 - Feb 11^th, 2011 at 2:27am

uncleson wrote on Feb 10^th, 2011 at 8:29pm:

StickyStones wrote on Feb 9^th, 2011 at 3:43pm:

Mel Belli wrote on Feb 9^th, 2011 at 12:30pm:

As much as I'm a Taylorite, I think Ronnie brought a lot to the table. He's not a virtuoso, but, at his best, he was a great accompanist. He played like a songwriter -- and wrote some good tunes himself! After the Voodoo Lounge tour, though, it's pretty much been all downhill.

What did he write?
See, I just feel like he's never brought anything spectacular to the table. Brian brought all those exotic instruments and that wild Psychedelic style into the Stones--They've never been as experimental as they were with Brian. Taylor worked amazingly with Keith and brought great solos to the fold. Nothing Ron's ever done has like ''shouted out'' at me.

Well said. Brian and Mick each brought something real special to the Stones,

Exactly. Ronnie's just...there.
And I think that's why they chose him. Keith's a nice guy, sure, but he also has an ego, and I think he was kind of jealous of MT. And he didn't want a repeat of that--a better guitarist upstaging him in his own band? And Brian was a more talented musician period AND just as big a personality as Keith--A unique soul in his own right.
So they went for the journeymen, "just ok" player with no out of the box talent or loud personality. And the band's musical quality has suffered for it. I kind of look at the Stones as functionally a one guitarist band, Keith dominates the Stones' sound. Like I said--Ronnie's never really contributed anything that special. Brian and Mick left their marks, practically defining the Stones' sound in their respective eras. Brian WAS in many ways the Stones in mid-late '60s, he led them in those experimental and wild efforts; Mick T crafted masterpieces with the band and turned the live show into an epic special.

Ronnie's....just there.

The only thing that saved their late 70s and 80s efforts was Mick taking the band in his own experimental direction. To be honest, I've found their albums since Undercover to be subpar, especially the stuff with Don Was as producer: Ever since he's got on board, they've tried to emulate their early-mid 70s sound to little success. Sure, there's some good songs here and there, but nothing like before.

And live...Meh. Since 1989 it's been too glitzy, too Vegas-y. It's lacked a certain urgent intensity. I preferred their stripped down, raw 1981-1982 shows a lot more to the 1989-present Vegas act.

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Reply #15 - Feb 11^th, 2011 at 5:28am

Ronnie was pretty damn good through the 78 tour. It was only when he got into freebase between then and the 81 tour and then went off the rails on booze that his playing really began to suffer.

Ronnie wrote the music for a great many of the Faces classics. Listen to the opening of say, Had Me a Real Good Time or Stay With Me and tell me Ronnie was "just there." Sure he lost it, but in the beginning, he had it.

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Reply #16 - Feb 11^th, 2011 at 9:41am

Zack wrote on Feb 11^th, 2011 at 5:28am:

Ronnie was pretty damn good through the 78 tour. It was only when he got into freebase between then and the 81 tour and then went off the rails on booze that his playing really began to suffer.

Ronnie wrote the music for a great many of the Faces classics. Listen to the opening of say, Had Me a Real Good Time or Stay With Me and tell me Ronnie was "just there." Sure he lost it, but in the beginning, he had it.

ditto, got all the Faces discs, all Woods discs and the terrific Mahoneys Last Stand. A great songwriter and musician in his own right right up to I feel like playing!!!

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Reply #17 - Feb 11^th, 2011 at 8:11pm

mojoman wrote on Feb 11^th, 2011 at 9:41am:

Zack wrote on Feb 11^th, 2011 at 5:28am:

Ronnie was pretty damn good through the 78 tour. It was only when he got into freebase between then and the 81 tour and then went off the rails on booze that his playing really began to suffer.

Ronnie wrote the music for a great many of the Faces classics. Listen to the opening of say, Had Me a Real Good Time or Stay With Me and tell me Ronnie was "just there." Sure he lost it, but in the beginning, he had it.

ditto, got all the Faces discs, all Woods discs and the terrific Mahoneys Last Stand. A great songwriter and musician in his own right right up to I feel like playing!!!

Than he's being very underused by the Stones.

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Zack Rocks Off Regular Offline Chiba Face Rules You Bastards! Posts: 1,729 Dakar Gender:	Re: Wayne Perkins Reply #18 - Feb 12^th, 2011 at 1:18am mojoman wrote on Feb 11^th, 2011 at 9:41am: and the terrific Mahoneys Last Stand. Googling . . .
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