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StickyStones Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 301 Gender:	Why aren't Mick and Keith really close anymore? Jan 22^nd, 2011 at 11:41pm I get the feeling from reading posts here that Mick and Keith aren't really close anymore, and possibly not even really friends anymore, and haven't been for a long time--Why is this? If this is true, what led to the break down in their relationship?
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BILL PERKS Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 1,188 NJ	Re: Why aren't Mick and Keith really close anymore Reply #2 - Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 8:14am MICK NAILS ANITA KEITH BECOMES JUNKIE,CAUSES MICK ENDLESS DIFFICULTIES KEITH GETS CLEAN, FINDS THAT MICK IS AUTOCRATIC ASSHOLE MICK FINDS THAT KEITH IS IMMATURE & BOORISH AND THE TWO,FUELED BY ASS KISSING LACKEYS, FUED PETTILY EVER SINCE.
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Re: Why aren't Mick and Keith really close anymore
Reply #3 - Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 8:46am

BILL PERKS wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 8:14am:

MICK NAILS ANITA
KEITH BECOMES JUNKIE,CAUSES MICK ENDLESS DIFFICULTIES
KEITH GETS CLEAN, FINDS THAT MICK IS AUTOCRATIC ASSHOLE
MICK FINDS THAT KEITH IS IMMATURE & BOORISH
AND THE TWO,FUELED BY ASS KISSING LACKEYS, FUED PETTILY EVER SINCE.

Boy, does this sound, Like "The hitting the Hammer Right on the Head of the Nail"

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Re: Why aren't Mick and Keith really close anymore
Reply #4 - Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 12:15pm

Kilroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 8:46am:

BILL PERKS wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 8:14am:

MICK NAILS ANITA
KEITH BECOMES JUNKIE,CAUSES MICK ENDLESS DIFFICULTIES
KEITH GETS CLEAN, FINDS THAT MICK IS AUTOCRATIC ASSHOLE
MICK FINDS THAT KEITH IS IMMATURE & BOORISH
AND THE TWO,FUELED BY ASS KISSING LACKEYS, FUED PETTILY EVER SINCE.

Boy, does this sound, Like "The hitting the Hammer Right on the Head of the Nail"

Poetic in its pithiness!

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gorda Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,139 Gender:	Re: Why aren't Mick and Keith really close anymore Reply #5 - Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 12:59pm People change. Are you still friends with people from high school? Probably not. If it weren't for the band, I don't think they would even speak to each other again.
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Honky Tonk Man Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 2,272 London Gender:	Re: Why aren't Mick and Keith really close anymore Reply #8 - Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 2:41pm They drifted apart - it can happen in any long-term friendship.
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Re: Why aren't Mick and Keith really close anymore
Reply #9 - Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 2:58pm

I don't seem to recall Keith being at Mick's parents' funerals, or vice-versa.

Even though they live on opposite sides of the ocean, it seems that with their resources they could have rather easily been there for each other.

They were childhood friends, for cryin' out loud.
They had to have known each others' parents.

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Reply #10 - Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 6:15pm

They "are" still very close.... People may talk, and he and Keith may slag each-other now and again but guess what...

Those two are still "best friends" (and will continue to be at odds with each other as long as they exist...every here and again). Mick Jagger is still Keith's best friend. Keith Richard's is still Mick's best friend. *Who did Keith send his book to first?? ... =Mick Jagger.

They may not see each-other every week... but they can get together one on one and pick up like no time has elapsed. I have a best friend as well that I do not see every week. Some times long periods occur and we don't talk. Once ...because of an odd rift I did not see or talk to him for almost three years and when we got together it was like no time had past at all. Same is true with Mick and Keith.

As you get older best friends sometimes see and hear from each-other much less than when they were young. Each has their own lives and each obtains new friends throughout in which they pal with. However, it's a given they still have that odd bond that only exists with those two. Same is true with Mick and Keith.

Just because they don't pal around with each-other every day doesn't mean much. For what-ever it's worth they have been spending time apart when they were working on select projects since the late sixties.

Keith was asked point blank a few years back to describe his relationship with Mick. Keith said "It's a very deep friendship".

They are not talking all the time but they get together and it is like no time has passed. For example... during the ABB sessions it was just Keith staying at Mick's house for a month with no other musicians and not even Don Was yet.

Would you have someone living at your place for a month if you didn't really like the person?... no. It would of went up in smoke... but they got along fine, recorded the album, and went on tour for basically two years...

They are still best friends... even though they don't talk all the time...

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angee Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Sots Posts: 81 USA Gender:	Re: Why aren't Mick and Keith really close anymore Reply #11 - Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 8:18pm Gosh, I'd like to believe that Ian. Maybe the truth is somewhere between best buds and antagonistic acquaintances.
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Re: Why aren't Mick and Keith really close anymore
Reply #12 - Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 9:43pm

angee wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 8:18pm:

Gosh, I'd like to believe that Ian.

Maybe the truth is somewhere between best buds and antagonistic acquaintances.

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Ya simply can't write songs, record albums, go on international tours, do press conferences, and make movies with someone who is simply a "antagonistic acquaintance" to you mate...

An "antagonistic acquaintance" is someone who badgers you at work... who you don't really care for not someone you have to sit down and write songs with. Remember they have been sneering each other since the eighties... how on earth could they of done all they have since the mid eighties and not really liked each other?

It has never happened in the history of music. Maybe a tour ... or two... maybe an album or two but otherwise we are talkin 25 years here. How can you make albums and tour with someone for 25 years and not really like them?

This situation has never occurred concerning that much productivity, over that much of a time frame with any group in which two of it's main members didn't like each other....

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Re: Why aren't Mick and Keith really close anymore
Reply #15 - Jan 24^th, 2011 at 1:06am

Going for a PhD? Write your doctorate on their friendship. It would be a doozie!

Not many people would be on speaking terms and have gone through what those two have together and yet they are still friends on some level. Not as close as they once were from what Keith says in his book, but there is something still to it.

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Re: Why aren't Mick and Keith really close anymore
Reply #16 - Jan 24^th, 2011 at 11:56am

Kilroy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 8:46am:

BILL PERKS wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 8:14am:

MICK NAILS ANITA
KEITH BECOMES JUNKIE,CAUSES MICK ENDLESS DIFFICULTIES
KEITH GETS CLEAN, FINDS THAT MICK IS AUTOCRATIC ASSHOLE
MICK FINDS THAT KEITH IS IMMATURE & BOORISH
AND THE TWO,FUELED BY ASS KISSING LACKEYS, FUED PETTILY EVER SINCE.

Boy, does this sound, Like "The hitting the Hammer Right on the Head of the Nail"

That's it in a nutshell. Shit!

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BILL PERKS Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 1,188 NJ	Re: Why aren't Mick and Keith really close anymore Reply #18 - Jan 24^th, 2011 at 12:53pm IF MICK'S SOLO CAREER HAD TAKEN OFF IN 85-87,HE WOULD NEVER HAVE DEALT WITH THE BAND AGAIN. AND SORRY IAN,BUT YOU ARE CRACKERS.READ KEITH OR BILL GERMANS BOOK AND TELL ME THEY ARE FRIENDS..THEY TOLERATE EACH OTHER,NOTHING MORE.
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Re: Why aren't Mick and Keith really close anymore
Reply #19 - Jan 24^th, 2011 at 3:46pm

Sioux wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 11:16pm:

They have a deep bond, and that will last as long as they live. Maybe friendship is no longer the right word for it....but they are bonded forever. For sure.

I think the 'We can't get divorced' is closer to the mark than 'we're friends' is and has been for a quarter of a century at least.

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Reply #20 - Jan 24^th, 2011 at 3:55pm

Ian Billen wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 9:43pm:

An "antagonistic acquaintance" is someone who badgers you at work... who you don't really care for not someone you have to sit down and write songs with. Remember they have been sneering each other since the eighties... how on earth could they of done all they have since the mid eighties and not really liked each other?

All theyve done? FOUR albums in 25 years. Four fucking albums ! They only really have to tolerate each other on tour, and even then their contact is minimal (eg Keith's remark that Mick hasnt been in his dressing room for 30 years). In their downtime, they live on separate continents and never socialise together. When was the last time you saw a photograph of the two of them together in a situation that wasnt related to a band activity?

Ian Billen wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 9:43pm:

It has never happened in the history of music. Maybe a tour ... or two... maybe an album or two but otherwise we are talkin 25 years here. How can you make albums and tour with someone for 25 years and not really like them?

This situation has never occurred concerning that much productivity, over that much of a time frame with any group in which two of it's main members didn't like each other....

Ian

The Kinks managed to do it - and the two main members were brothers!

Daltrey and Townshend have long had a pretty fractious relationship - its probably only really repaired when their fellow band members died and they were the only two left.

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Reply #22 - Jan 24^th, 2011 at 11:38pm

Gazza wrote on Jan 24^th, 2011 at 3:55pm:

Ian Billen wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 9:43pm:

An "antagonistic acquaintance" is someone who badgers you at work... who you don't really care for not someone you have to sit down and write songs with. Remember they have been sneering each other since the eighties... how on earth could they of done all they have since the mid eighties and not really liked each other?

All theyve done? FOUR albums in 25 years. Four fucking albums ! They only really have to tolerate each other on tour, and even then their contact is minimal (eg Keith's remark that Mick hasnt been in his dressing room for 30 years). In their downtime, they live on separate continents and never socialise together. When was the last time you saw a photograph of the two of them together in a situation that wasnt related to a band activity?

Ian Billen wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2011 at 9:43pm:

It has never happened in the history of music. Maybe a tour ... or two... maybe an album or two but otherwise we are talkin 25 years here. How can you make albums and tour with someone for 25 years and not really like them?

This situation has never occurred concerning that much productivity, over that much of a time frame with any group in which two of it's main members didn't like each other....

Ian

The Kinks managed to do it - and the two main members were brothers!

Daltrey and Townshend have long had a pretty fractious relationship - its probably only really repaired when their fellow band members died and they were the only two left.

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Gazza- All theyve done? FOUR albums in 25 years. Four fucking albums !

>Well Five albums (Stripped had some live in the studio stuff and was an acoustic album). Yeah ... I know.... that's not much being as it is 25 years. But I'm talking everything collectively not simply albums. How many singles... how many gargantuan tours? (not to mention tour rehearsals ) A couple movies... press conferences.... everything. We are talking spending ALOT of time working together... side by side. Your right Rog and Pete didn't care for each other entirely and I understand your point... Mick and Keith tolerate each other more than they could through the eighties.

Gazza-They only really have to tolerate each other on tour, and even then their contact is minimal (eg Keith's remark that Mick hasnt been in his dressing room for 30 years). In their downtime, they live on separate continents and never socialise together. When was the last time you saw a photograph of the two of them together in a situation that wasnt related to a band activity?

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> I know Gazza ... but sitting down and writing and recording an album intimately, rehearsing a tour, and traveling around the world in these year and a half long tours with someone whom you really don't care for would be extremely difficult ...especially time and time again. I know you never said this, but if the two really didn't like each other much that notion would be extremely hard to pull off ESPECIALLY with how big those two's ego's are. I can't see it. Sure, they are not as tied together as they once were. But they are bonded for life, they are still quite connected, and although each can naw at the other in ways that nobody eles can to one another ....they are still close partners / mates.

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It has never happened in the history of music. Maybe a tour ... or two... maybe an album or two but otherwise we are talkin 25 years here. How can you make albums and tour with someone for 25 years and not really like them?

This situation has never occurred concerning that much productivity, over that much of a time frame with any group in which two of it's main members didn't like each other....

Ian

Gazza - The Kinks managed to do it - and the two main members were brothers!

Daltrey and Townshend have long had a pretty fractious relationship - its probably only really repaired when their fellow band members died and they were the only two left.

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>Your right Gazz... I should of stopped and thought more before typing that. However in the examples you gave their ego's were not on the same playing field as Mick and Keith. Think about it ...when those two don't like someone the other person KNOWS it and soon they gotta part ways. You realize that I know.

No they are not so tightly knitt as they used to be. It is decades later. As you get older you spend less time with the people you really should (he he). But still through all the spats and things they are bonded more with each other than anyone else and they still care for one another quite a bit. Maybe like Mick says they never argue they just disagree. hahahaha An odd opposite pair those two are.

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Reply #23 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 7:10am

>Well Five albums (Stripped had some live in the studio stuff and was an acoustic album).

Um..the studio material for Stripped was recorded in five days.

>Yeah ... I know.... that's not much being as it is 25 years. But I'm talking everything collectively not simply albums. How many singles...

Huh? Theyve spent a lot of time working on singles in the last 25 years? Have I missed something?

>how many gargantuan tours? (not to mention tour rehearsals ) A couple movies...

what movies? Their movies are filmed during concert tours and then put together by other people afterwards!!

>press conferences.... everything.

You're seriously counting press conferences? Things that last about an hour every four years?

>We are talking spending ALOT of time working together... side by side.

Over 25 years? No. We're not. Really.

> I know Gazza ... but sitting down and writing and recording an album intimately,

something they dont do anywhere near as much as you believe - but thats another discussion

> rehearsing a tour, and traveling around the world in these year and a half long tours with someone whom you really don't care for would be extremely difficult ...especially time and time again.

Its not difficult if you're only obliged to see them for two hours at a time on about 60 nights on a year when they happen to be on these 'long tours'. On any tour there are more days when they dont have a gig than there are that they do have one.

>I know you never said this, but if the two really didn't like each other much that notion would be extremely hard to pull off ESPECIALLY with how big those two's ego's are. I can't see it. Sure, they are not as tied together as they once were. But they are bonded for life, they are still quite connected, and although each can naw at the other in ways that nobody eles can to one another ....they are still close partners / mates.

Thats fair enough. Well, partners - yes. Maybe its like having a long distance brother whom you only see every once in a while. You're bonded together, even though you may not be close.

>Your right Gazz... I should of stopped and thought more before typing that. However in the examples you gave their ego's were not on the same playing field as Mick and Keith.

With respect, how can you say that with any degree of authority? We dont know any of these people.

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Reply #24 - Jan 25^th, 2011 at 7:23am

It's a natural evolution really. When I was younger my gang or pals were the most important thing to me. As I aged and you have a family and so do your friends you drift apart for so many reasons. Mick and Keith basically spent a continuous 15 years joined at the hip and created magic. Now I think they both know there are no more rabbits in the hat.........

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