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steel driving hammer Ex Member	Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church ok? Nov 18^th, 2010 at 6:06am I don't think you can. That's why I don't go. The Stones vs. the Church and the Stones Rule.
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Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church
Reply #2 - Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:46am

FAR AWAY EYES
(M. Jagger/K. Richards)

I was driving home early Sunday morning through Bakersfield
Listening to gospel music on the colored radio station
And the preacher said, "You know you always have the
Lord by your side"

And I was so pleased to be informed of this that I ran
Twenty red lights in his honor
Thank you Jesus, thank you lord Well the preacher kept right on saying that all I had to do was send
Ten dollars to the church of the sacred bleeding heart of Jesus
Located somewhere in Los Angeles, California
And next week they'd say my prayer on the radio
And all my dreams would come true
So I did, the next week, I got a prayer with a girl
Well, you know what kind of eyes she got

My answer is yes, you can, but organized religion's motivation seems questionable due to their determination to collect our money! Paying for prayers, for example! All churches need money, so if you are OK with giving them your money, than its ok to go! The Stones have never been anti-religous, just sarcastic at times, but I think they have Christian beliefs.

JUST WANT TO SEE HIS FACE
(M. Jagger/K. Richards)

That's all right, that's all right, that's all right.
Sometimes you feel like trouble, sometimes you feel down.
Let this music relax you mind, let this music relax you mind.
Stand up and be counted, can I get a witness.
Sometimes you need somebody, if you have somebody to love.
Sometimes you ain't got nobody and you want somebody to love.
Then you don't want to walk and talk about Jesus,
You just want to see his face.
You don't want to walk and talk about Jesus,
You just want to see his face.

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Honky Tonk Man Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 2,272 London Gender:	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #3 - Nov 18^th, 2010 at 12:26pm As a good Catholic boy, I go to church every Sunday I'd suspect at least one of the Stones is Church of England
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gimmekeef Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 5,759 Ontario Canada Gender:	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #4 - Nov 18^th, 2010 at 12:57pm I have spent the last 40 plus years worshipping at the 'Church of the Latter Day Stones"
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Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church
Reply #6 - Nov 18^th, 2010 at 4:23pm

Pdog wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 1:50pm:

are you saying church makes you less, not more of something?

I'd say the whole proposition is crap. Of all the people that I know whom like the Stones, at least some of them, attend church regularly. To a man or woman they all find that their relationship with their church or synagogue makes them much more than they are without it. That some people can't understand this fact, or deride, these people for their faith just makes the accuser look that much smaller and less of "something". And they are too. They are the very petty intolerant pricks that they accuse others or being.

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Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church
Reply #7 - Nov 18^th, 2010 at 4:41pm

A little boy got on the bus, sat next to a man reading a book, and noticed he had his collar on backwards.

The little boy asked why he wore his collar backwards.

The man, who was a priest, said, 'I am a Father.'

The little boy replied, 'My Daddy doesn't wear his collar like that.'

The priest looked up from his book and answered, ''I am the Father of many.'

The boy said, ''My Dad has 4 boys, 4 girls and two grandchildren and he
doesn't wear his collar that way!'

The priest, getting impatient, said. 'I am the Father of hundreds', and went back to reading his book.

The little boy sat quietly thinking for a while, then leaned over and said,
"Maybe you should wear a condom, and put your pants on backwards instead of
your collar."

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Reply #8 - Nov 18^th, 2010 at 4:48pm

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Factory Girl Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 2,237 US Gender:	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #9 - Nov 18^th, 2010 at 4:51pm Yes, you can...lol.
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Gazza Unholy Trinity Admin Offline Rat Bastid "We piss anywhere, man.." Posts: 13,231 Belfast, UK Gender:	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #10 - Nov 18^th, 2010 at 5:37pm steel driving hammer wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 6:06am: I don't think you can. Bollocks.
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Sioux Rocks Off Regular Offline Brian Jones---Foundation Stone--Golden Stone Posts: 4,176 Virginia, U.S.A. Gender:	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #11 - Nov 18^th, 2010 at 6:14pm Go every Sunday, to a fundamental Baptist church. And yes, I am a Stones fan. So...............
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Factory Girl Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 2,237 US Gender:	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #12 - Nov 18^th, 2010 at 6:14pm Loving the Stones and believing in a greater God are not mutually exclusive. Patti Hansen is a born again Christian. Religion is a very personal matter.
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Factory Girl Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 2,237 US Gender:	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #13 - Nov 18^th, 2010 at 6:16pm [quote author=Honky Tonk Man link=1290081995/0#3 date=1290104760]As a good Catholic boy, I go to church every Sunday You're so sweet.
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Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church
Reply #14 - Nov 18^th, 2010 at 9:27pm

" I don't think you can.

That's why I don't go.

The Stones vs. the Church and the Stones Rule. "

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Kilroy Rocks Off Regular Offline I love this place! Posts: 2,863 Mickville Virginny USA Gender:	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #15 - Nov 18^th, 2010 at 10:52pm I HAVE NO PROBLEM EXPRESSING MY LOVE FOR JESUS AND THE STONES. ONE GETS IT SATURDAY NIGHT THE OTHER ON SUNDAY. NEITHER HAS COMPLAINED ABOUT THE OTHER TO ME. NO PROBLEM HERE........
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paul Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 91 England Gender:	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #17 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 6:19am Of course you can. what a silly question. Like everything in life, you take some bits, and reject others. I hate drugs, but does that mean i cant appreciate rock and roll.
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steel driving hammer Ex Member	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #18 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 6:51am Sioux wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 6:14pm: Go every Sunday, to a fundamental Baptist church. And yes, I am a Stones fan. So............... Faithfully? With loving the Stones so much, I'd feel like a hypocrite.
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steel driving hammer Ex Member	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #19 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 8:21am gimmekeef wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 12:57pm: I have spent the last 40 plus years worshipping at the 'Church of the Latter Day Stones" Amen My Brother.
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Edith Grove Rocks Off Regular Offline Disco STILL sucks! Posts: 12,336 New Orleans Gender:	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #20 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 8:21am steel driving hammer wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 6:51am: With loving the Stones so much, I'd feel like a hypocrite. You don't need to copy their lifestyle to enjoy the Stones' music.
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Reply #22 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 10:29am

Riffhard wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 4:23pm:

Pdog wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 1:50pm:

are you saying church makes you less, not more of something?

I'd say the whole proposition is crap. Of all the people that I know whom like the Stones, at least some of them, attend church regularly. To a man or woman they all find that their relationship with their church or synagogue makes them much more than they are without it. That some people can't understand this fact, or deride, these people for their faith just makes the accuser look that much smaller and less of "something". And they are too. They are the very petty intolerant pricks that they accuse others or being.

Riffy

I was asking a question to the OP... Why are you responding like this to me? He clearly stated church, not mosque synagogue. There was no accusation made, by me or the OP. Are you of the belief, that the OP can't have a spiritual relationship with The Stones? Are you accusing me or him of some sort of intolenrance? Since no one has attacked any beleif, what are you basing your attack on? Who is being intloerant? No one else has passed a judgemnt on others besides you... not only did you not answer the question, he presented, you attacked without warrant on others, and quoted my question to the OP. Looks like niether Stones music or religous beliefs are working in your life... maybe it is something else that makes you so mean spirited for no reason. I find it really odd, since my question, in the context of the question asked, defends the question of going to church, by me asking, how will going to church make them less of something. Whether you like it or not, people can also have a spiritual life, without going to church, and grow and maintain a spiritual life through rock and roll... and in the context of Stones music, and Keith Richards, this is what Keith preachs in his own way, he just doesn't have any dogma. There's many perspectives, but all you adressed is anger, your own, and not the topic, of Stones music and spirituality. The OP feels they would be betraying their personal beleifs by going to church, never stating that church is wrong... one can exist without the other and both can exist together, so what's your problem? Is your respongse going to be more cursing and attacks on me and others?

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Jeep Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 281 Frogland Gender:	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #24 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 11:23am The answer is here, take a look at this video (from the canadian movie "C.R.A.Z.Y.") : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9gepm_crazy-sympathy-for-devil_music
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Heart Of Stone Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules Posts: 4,001 Charlottetown Prince Edward Is Gender:	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #25 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 12:28pm The Stones have written & covered spiritual/Gospel type songs, Shine A Light, the ones Bitch did the lyrics for, Prodigal Son, & so on, I don't know why this topic is mentioned, at one time The Stones had this devil image, but that's long gone now, like teenage rebellion.
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Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church
Reply #26 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 12:41pm

Pdog wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 10:29am:

Riffhard wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 4:23pm:

Pdog wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 1:50pm:

are you saying church makes you less, not more of something?

I'd say the whole proposition is crap. Of all the people that I know whom like the Stones, at least some of them, attend church regularly. To a man or woman they all find that their relationship with their church or synagogue makes them much more than they are without it. That some people can't understand this fact, or deride, these people for their faith just makes the accuser look that much smaller and less of "something". And they are too. They are the very petty intolerant pricks that they accuse others or being.

Riffy

I was asking a question to the OP... Why are you responding like this to me? He clearly stated church, not mosque synagogue. There was no accusation made, by me or the OP. Are you of the belief, that the OP can't have a spiritual relationship with The Stones? Are you accusing me or him of some sort of intolenrance? Since no one has attacked any beleif, what are you basing your attack on? Who is being intloerant? No one else has passed a judgemnt on others besides you... not only did you not answer the question, he presented, you attacked without warrant on others, and quoted my question to the OP. Looks like niether Stones music or religous beliefs are working in your life... maybe it is something else that makes you so mean spirited for no reason. I find it really odd, since my question, in the context of the question asked, defends the question of going to church, by me asking, how will going to church make them less of something. Whether you like it or not, people can also have a spiritual life, without going to church, and grow and maintain a spiritual life through rock and roll... and in the context of Stones music, and Keith Richards, this is what Keith preachs in his own way, he just doesn't have any dogma. There's many perspectives, but all you adressed is anger, your own, and not the topic, of Stones music and spirituality. The OP feels they would be betraying their personal beleifs by going to church, never stating that church is wrong... one can exist without the other and both can exist together, so what's your problem? Is your respongse going to be more cursing and attacks on me and others?

Damn son! You are one sensitive guy. I was not being mean spirited at all! Perhaps you're just looking for some ulterior motives in every single one of my posts? The question was raised about church and The Stones. I merely pointed out that some people (not necessarily you!) love to deride and ridicule people of faith. Some on this very board have done it repeatedly over the years. Do you have selective memory problems, Pdog? These people are always the ones that think that they are always the smartest person in the room, no matter what room they are in! I just pointed out that these same people like to attack people of faith as being intolerant. Funny? Not really. Hypocritical? Absofuckinglutly! Liberal elitist snobs? Almost always!

The whole premise of the question is insulting! Do you get it now?!?!

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Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church
Reply #27 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 12:44pm

Heart Of Stone wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 12:28pm:

The Stones have written & covered spiritual/Gospel type songs, Shine A Light, the ones Bitch did the lyrics for, Prodigal Son, & so on, I don't know why this topic is mentioned, at one time The Stones had this devil image, but that's long gone now, like teenage rebellion.

Aye but then there's "You're old time religion is just a superstition" and "had enough of your religion Its tough, its a state of mind I don't need it!"

And I think that "Just wanna see his face" is doubting the existence of God, or in the least questioning it.

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Reply #31 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 1:27pm

Riffhard wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 12:41pm:

Pdog wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 10:29am:

Riffhard wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 4:23pm:

Pdog wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 1:50pm:

are you saying church makes you less, not more of something?

I'd say the whole proposition is crap. Of all the people that I know whom like the Stones, at least some of them, attend church regularly. To a man or woman they all find that their relationship with their church or synagogue makes them much more than they are without it. That some people can't understand this fact, or deride, these people for their faith just makes the accuser look that much smaller and less of "something". And they are too. They are the very petty intolerant pricks that they accuse others or being.

Riffy

I was asking a question to the OP... Why are you responding like this to me? He clearly stated church, not mosque synagogue. There was no accusation made, by me or the OP. Are you of the belief, that the OP can't have a spiritual relationship with The Stones? Are you accusing me or him of some sort of intolenrance? Since no one has attacked any beleif, what are you basing your attack on? Who is being intloerant? No one else has passed a judgemnt on others besides you... not only did you not answer the question, he presented, you attacked without warrant on others, and quoted my question to the OP. Looks like niether Stones music or religous beliefs are working in your life... maybe it is something else that makes you so mean spirited for no reason. I find it really odd, since my question, in the context of the question asked, defends the question of going to church, by me asking, how will going to church make them less of something. Whether you like it or not, people can also have a spiritual life, without going to church, and grow and maintain a spiritual life through rock and roll... and in the context of Stones music, and Keith Richards, this is what Keith preachs in his own way, he just doesn't have any dogma. There's many perspectives, but all you adressed is anger, your own, and not the topic, of Stones music and spirituality. The OP feels they would be betraying their personal beleifs by going to church, never stating that church is wrong... one can exist without the other and both can exist together, so what's your problem? Is your respongse going to be more cursing and attacks on me and others?

Damn son! You are one sensitive guy. I was not being mean spirited at all! Perhaps you're just looking for some ulterior motives in every single one of my posts? The question was raised about church and The Stones. I merely pointed out that some people (not necessarily you!) love to deride and ridicule people of faith. Some on this very board have done it repeatedly over the years. Do you have selective memory problems, Pdog? These people are always the ones that think that they are always the smartest person in the room, no matter what room they are in! I just pointed out that these same people like to attack people of faith as being intolerant. Funny? Not really. Hypocritical? Absofuckinglutly! Liberal elitist snobs? Almost always!

The whole premise of the question is insulting! Do you get it now?!?!

Riffy

The OP is not a liberal and I am also not the OP, so why did you respond to me, and become so hostile? Yet, you claim that I am the one being sensitive and looking for some "ulterior motive" in your post? If you're insulted by this topic, that is your problem, seems everyone else in this thread has made some remarks and good points that are on topic, not starting fights with anyone. If you're insulted, and I'm not insulted, why are you calling me sensitive? With no due respect, since you have zero respect for me or this board, you're acting like a first rate asshole, for no reason at all.
Simply, you flame and flame, love to mix politics and fight every chance you get. You're whole argument is based on "people", not anything anyone actually posted in this thread... you're directing anger inside this forum, towards some groups that aren't here... There is no group of godless liberals posting anti-religous views here... that's what you're directing this towrds, and it doesn't exists... in fact, most of the people who have called themselves liberals on this forum, and posted in this thread, claimed they go to church... that just made you wrong in the context of this thread, especially considering, no one provoked you, unless a self admitted republican, who started this thread, is who you're mad at... then you're wrong again... and me being a person who loves The stones, and has spiritual experiences as a result, and said nothing to deserve your attack... hmm... maybe you're just an angry guy looking for a fight, blaming others for the very things you are doing.

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Reply #32 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 1:29pm

An interesting question. Just my personal view here, regarding the christian faith only. I would think if one was an ardent believer who read their scriptures every day believing them to be the inspired word of God that it might be difficult to fit the Stones into that framework. Ask your priest, minister, or pastor their view on this.

I do believe the individual Stones are spiritual in their own way, as most artists seem to be.

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Reply #34 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 1:48pm

Good point. Mick brings the subject up on "Mick's Jukebox" when he talks about Pop Staples who told him that he grew up on the same plantation as Muddy Waters. One went the gospel route the other the blues.

Interesting the folklore about the "crossroads" and the devil teaching Robert how to play. Seems back then you didn't mix gospel and blues.

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Reply #35 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 2:11pm

eric wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 1:48pm:

Good point. Mick brings the subject up on "Mick's Jukebox" when he talks about Pop Staples who told him that he grew up on the same plantation as Muddy Waters. One went the gospel route the other the blues.

Interesting the folklore about the "crossroads" and the devil teaching Robert how to play. Seems back then you didn't mix gospel and blues.

Great points! From that perspective the better question would be, could the Stones be the Stones without the church? The answer is demonstrably no. Hell no, in fact!

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Reply #38 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 5:15pm

This is an interesting question, and perhaps not as simple as it's been phrased. Writ large, it seems to ask, "Is it logically consistent or philosophically coherent to be both a serious Stones fan and a practicing Christian?'' Of course, for those for whom logical consistency and philosophical coherency are unimportant, there is obviously no problem; that viewpoint has been well represented on this thread. If the Rolling Stones are "just a group," and not a "way of life" as Oldham's Law posits, then appreciation of their work has no bearing on one's religious beliefs or practices.

If, on the other hand, one views music--particularly the sort of music the Stones produce--as something more significant than light entertainment, the question becomes more complex. As has been noted on this thread, rock'n'roll (particularly the beat) derives from West African music. Traditionally, that music was essential to the religion of that culture. The rhythms of West African drumming have a powerful psychological (the practitioners would say spiritual) effect; so-called "rhythm devils" are evoked by the practice. The direct relationship between these rhythms and sexuality is apparent. Christianity at its core teaches and practices sexual repression; this is why missionaries worked so hard to stamp out African drumming and dancing. Rock'n'roll revives that ancient tradition, which is why it was feared and suppressed in America, particularly by white Southern Christians. Its "jungle rhythms" embodied the two things racist Southern Christians hated and feared most (especially in juxtaposition): sex and black people.

So, yes, you can be both a Stones fan and a Christian, on two conditions. First, you must not take your Christianity too seriously; that is, you must not make it the strict guide to your every waking move, as the most devout medieval Christian would have done. Second, you must not take your Stones too seriously; that is, you must not be consumed by the beat. The other alternative, of course, is simply to engage in the unexamined, incoherent and hypocritical existence that passes for "life" among the average sheep of this world.

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Reply #39 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 6:56pm

Pdog wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 3:17pm:

blues is traced back to african tribal music and country music is traced back to irish, italian, german, mexican and native american music... no churches involved... facts, check them.

Okay, just for sake of argument, let's pretend that your not-too-well-thought-out premise were completely true. Perhaps you can tell me where the call and response songs of slaves came from? Did they, at their root, come from African beats and rhythms? Well, of course they did! Nobody is arguing that fact!

That's not the point at all though. Cast your mind back to those cotton fields of yesteryear.....now what were the slaves singing about? Here's a hint some of the songs were- Amazing Grace, There's A Meeting Here To-Night, Swing Low Sweet Chariot, There Is A Balm In Gilead, and on, and on......

The one thing that every one of these songs had in common was that they were all "hymns" or "spirituals". They were called "holy roller music" by the slaves themselves! So where the hell do you think the likes of Lead Belly, Son House, Lightnin' Hopkins, and yes even Robert Johnson, got their ideas from? The blues was a direct offshoot of the music that these early artists had been familiar with for their entire lives. Same goes for early country music too! Both of these genres grew out of old "spirituals" white and "negro spirituals". In other words-CHURCH MUSIC!!

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Reply #40 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 8:12pm

Riffhard wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 6:56pm:

Pdog wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 3:17pm:

blues is traced back to african tribal music and country music is traced back to irish, italian, german, mexican and native american music... no churches involved... facts, check them.

Okay, just for sake of argument, let's pretend that your not-too-well-thought-out premise were completely true. Perhaps you can tell me where the call and response songs of slaves came from? Did they, at their root, come from African beats and rhythms? Well, of course they did! Nobody is arguing that fact!

That's not the point at all though. Cast your mind back to those cotton fields of yesteryear.....now what were the slaves singing about? Here's a hint some of the songs were- Amazing Grace, There's A Meeting Here To-Night, Swing Low Sweet Chariot, There Is A Balm In Gilead, and on, and on......

The one thing that every one of these songs had in common was that they were all "hymns" or "spirituals". They were called "holy roller music" by the slaves themselves! So where the hell do you think the likes of Lead Belly, Son House, Lightnin' Hopkins, and yes even Robert Johnson, got their ideas from? The blues was a direct offshoot of the music that these early artists had been familiar with for their entire lives. Same goes for early country music too! Both of these genres grew out of old "spirituals" white and "negro spirituals". In other words-CHURCH MUSIC!!

FACTS, DEAL WITH THEM!

Riffy

That's quite the image there, Riffy: Happy darkies sweating in the fields, singing "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot" under the gentle eyes of the watchful whipmaster. Makes you wish you were in the land of cotton, don't it? Well, Beauregard, let me share a few more facts with you. The only reason most of those Africans toiling in Dixie were singing to the white man's god instead of Legba or some other obeah deity ("obeah": look it up; Keith describes himself as an "obeah man" in Life) is that their own faith, as you like to call it, was violently suppressed by their oppressors. The one place in the South where this prohibition on African religion, music and dancing was not imposed was French (and later Creole/Cajun) Louisiana. That exception largely explains why jazz developed in New Orleans.

So, while you are correct about the origin of gospel and spirituals, it is not true that blues derives from either of those genres. Rather, they share a common source: West African music as mutated (or mutilated) by being forced into European musical forms. Blues and rock'n'roll owe less to the spirituals sung when Massa was watching than to the wild rhythms which he forbade. Some believe the most basic of these rhythms predate human language and link us to our prehuman forebearers. By that view, rock'n'roll is part of a far older, more natural "religion" than anything cooked up in the Middle East during the Bronze age.

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Reply #41 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 8:39pm

BJ, I'm not going to get into some long drawn out argument on this topic with you. It's not worth it. You're going to knee jerkingly find a way to blame America, whites, religion, etc. It's what you do. I get it. You're a true believer. As sheep-like, or more so, in your own ideology as you accuse others of being.

My point stands. Slaves in the fields were, indeed, singing spirituals, and that led directly, with provable linkage, to the Blues. Likewise, Country music can be traced to old jubilee songs and hymns. The songs are all right there in the Library Of Congress. It's not too hard to Google them.

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Reply #42 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 9:47pm

The truth, the negro slaves sung openly, and they also kept what the could of the heritage alive and in secret, and this is not only documented through the history of black music, it is also documented as histroical fact.... you somehow are confusing influence with tradition... they weren't beaten or killed for singing christian music, but they were for try to preserve the african music... but because many were willing risk death and torture, they were able to keep it alive... and that is probably what makes simple rock music so powerful to people like me, the spiritual and emotional effect is without description. Country music came from european culture, that was also influenced by early mexican music and native american music... none of which was based on any religion, maybe some influence... but influence is a tricky word... not all influence is a compliment... and in the instance of rock n' roll... it was all about fuck music... early black rock and blues is all about getting some and not getting some... like someone else said early in this thread, they might be getting their immortal saved on sunday, but saturday night is all about ( fill in the blank). and I stand by my first post, how does being part of one thing, make you less of another? The post that was so rudely interupted by some narcisistic bullshit! and no irony is lost, the points made by Riffy in an attempt to create some connection to jesus and rock n roll, actually really shows exactly how the rebellion of rock n' roll is against the type of authoritarian rule his insists on projecting... it's fucking awesome how he makes the case for what he's against, just by his insistance that his way is correct, he is right and everyone else is a liberal prick who is intolerant.... it was only a short time ago, he was making fun of white people trying to be black, but in Riifeality, that would mean they were really the ones who the blacks had copied???? haha... thank god for brainbell...

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Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church
Reply #43 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 10:26pm

Oh for fuck's sake! I'm out. Yeah, thank god for BJ. You guys were made for each other. You guys are both probably right afterall. LOL! I know for sure that you think you are. Not that I could ever accuse you of having an independent thought.

Oh, and guys, Obama blows hard! Eveyone knows it, and in your heart of hearts you guys know it too! Either that or you are both seriously delusional. I'd wager it's a little bit of both.

This is why these pissing matches are becoming a bore to me. I have pissed all over your arguments, and history has, and continues, to prove me right. I know how that must irk you two.

Have fun rewriting history guys! Just remember. White peope suck. Religion, and Christanity in particular, sucks. Southerners suck. America sucks, and btw, is responsible for most of what is wrong with the world. Capitalism sucks. Corporations suck. Oil sucks. Coal sucks. Rich people suck.

Obama is great! Pelosi is great! Reid is great!

Hope and Change!
Dopes in Chains!

Peace out.

Keep the change....

Narcissistically yours-(and in full Authoritarian mode!),

Piss off!

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Reply #44 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 10:56pm

Riffhard wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 10:26pm:

Oh for fuck's sake! I'm out. Yeah, thank god for BJ. You guys were made for each other. You guys are both probably right afterall. LOL! I know for sure that you think you are. Not that I could ever accuse you of having an independent thought.

Oh, and guys, Obama blows hard! Eveyone knows it, and in your heart of hearts you guys know it too! Either that or you are both seriously delusional. I'd wager it's a little bit of both.

This is why these pissing matches are becoming a bore to me. I have pissed all over your arguments, and history has, and continues, to prove me right. I know how that must irk you two.

Have fun rewriting history guys! Just remember. White peope suck. Religion, and Christanity in particular, sucks. Southerners suck. America sucks, and btw, is responsible for most of what is wrong with the world. Capitalism sucks. Corporations suck. Oil sucks. Coal sucks. Rich people suck.

Obama is great! Pelosi is great! Reid is great!

Hope and Change!
Dopes in Chains!

Peace out.

Keep the change....

Narcissistically yours-(and in full Authoritarian mode!),

Piss off!

Riffy

you came looking for a fight, and got you're ass handed to you! without missing a line from your how to be complete ass and ruin peoples good times, you insert your politcal rants and more personal jabs... and you went after me, when i posted defending the comments made about church from the OP... Glad to see you go, I never miss you when you're not around.

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Reply #45 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 11:14pm

LOL! You're just stupid enough to think that I'm the one that got my ass handed! It's the other way 'round, pal. As it always has been.

You're right. You, and your Alinskyite Henry Higgins BJ (look it up), have throughly debunked the myth that the Blues was shaped by the very gospel and "negro spiritual" music that damned near every single early practitioner of the Bluse grew up listening to from cradle to grave! Thanks to you guys we now know the real truth!

Pathetic. Not that I've come to expect anything less, or more.

Okay, take the last word......no....I mean it this time!

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Reply #47 - Nov 19^th, 2010 at 11:36pm

steel driving hammer wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 6:51am:

Sioux wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 6:14pm:

Go every Sunday, to a fundamental Baptist church. And yes, I am a Stones fan. So............... Wink

Faithfully?

With loving the Stones so much, I'd feel like a hypocrite.

Going every Sunday, and Wednesday night for choir rehersal, is pretty faithful, I would say. Since I was a tot.

Now, I'm not sayin' that I worship the Stones, or any man, for that matter. I love the music. I mostly love the early era----I love the 60's in general. I really like the Mick Taylor years as well. I do not love the lifestyle that most rock stars live----I did not, no do not, participate in many of the, er, "habits" that they might have endulged in.....I thoroughly enjoyed the '60's....the music, fashion, movies, TV, etc. I remember every minute, as I was a teen and didn't participate in drug or alcohol use, nor was I sexually active. I was really pretty innocent---no, VERY innocent. And I don't regret that at all.

No, I don't worship the Stones---as individuals, or as a group. But.....I think I can still qualify as a fan.

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Reply #50 - Nov 20^th, 2010 at 8:41am

Sioux wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 11:36pm:

steel driving hammer wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 6:51am:

Sioux wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 6:14pm:

Go every Sunday, to a fundamental Baptist church. And yes, I am a Stones fan. So............... Wink

Faithfully?

With loving the Stones so much, I'd feel like a hypocrite.

Going every Sunday, and Wednesday night for choir rehersal, is pretty faithful, I would say. Since I was a tot.

Now, I'm not sayin' that I worship the Stones, or any man, for that matter. I love the music. I mostly love the early era----I love the 60's in general. I really like the Mick Taylor years as well. I do not love the lifestyle that most rock stars live----I did not, no do not, participate in many of the, er, "habits" that they might have endulged in.....I thoroughly enjoyed the '60's....the music, fashion, movies, TV, etc. I remember every minute, as I was a teen and didn't participate in drug or alcohol use, nor was I sexually active. I was really pretty innocent---no, VERY innocent. And I don't regret that at all.

No, I don't worship the Stones---as individuals, or as a group. But.....I think I can still qualify as a fan.

Good for you Sioux, for standing up for yourself & what you believe, at least you remember the 60's, it really was a great time in the world, I'm also a fan of that & the Mick Taylor era too, I did idolize the Stones, Keith Richards in particular, when I was a teenager, but with age I outgrew that, at least I can understand why people do that.

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Reply #51 - Nov 20^th, 2010 at 9:13am

Riffhard wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 11:14pm:

LOL! You're just stupid enough to think that I'm the one that got my ass handed! It's the other way 'round, pal. As it always has been.

You're right. You, and your Alinskyite Henry Higgins BJ (look it up), have throughly debunked the myth that the Blues was shaped by the very gospel and "negro spiritual" music that damned near every single early practitioner of the Bluse grew up listening to from cradle to grave! Thanks to you guys we now know the real truth!

Pathetic. Not that I've come to expect anything less, or more.

Okay, take the last word......no....I mean it this time!

Riffy

I would have had to fight to get my ass handed to me. all you did was make yourself look like a jerk, looking for and starting a fight, for no reason... I assume your religion is being mean to people, because that is the only principle you practice. The ass you hold is your own, by yourself... if you notice, niether me or BJ has fought, we have only discussed, you came in fighting and remain only to fight... A discussion of The Stones music and a history of rock n' roll can't happen with discussing the history of black music... Seems you are of the opinion black music emerged from southern white slave culture and it's religion. The problem isn't that people disagree with you, the only problem is, anyone who stands for something you don't agree with, is bellitled, labeled into political and social groups and viciously assaulted by your foul mouth. The history of black music, my knowledge of it, comes almost totally from being a Stones fan, and things Keith richards has talked about, and then I have gone a little deeper with the information he provided in interviews ect... I never said, anywhere, the southern churchs didn't influence the black culture, they greatly did. But at the core, they preserved many of the core elements from africa that evolved into modern day rock and roll, and even rap... it appears to me, that somehow you are threatened, because being a white southerner, I get the impression, from your hostility, that you really want to claim that your culture is what made this possible. This isn't a stretch, since you have done this before, on political rants... and you always attack people who have adifferent views, and remain mostly rational, while you keep attacking them. When The Stones first came to america, did they go to white churchs and neighborhoods? no, they weren't even welcomed there. They were subject to ridicule, police harrasment and made to feel like an enemy to that white american christian culture... but, after gaining some acceptance, they were slowly welcomed into the very exclusive black musci culture and society. I wonder why The Stones only went to those seedy Go-Go's and backwater juke joints... hmm... and you think we're just making it up... and you're "discusion" on this, is that these happened as a result of singing hymnals in the fields as slaves? The christian influence is so obvious, how did I miss it... oh, but... how does that explain how blacks went off and began their own churches, b/c they weren't welcomed in the white ones, and began their own form of music, that was also rejected by the christian culture...? In your mind it makes perfect sense, that your culture, is responsible for rock and roll... especially since it happened at a time in history when the two cultures were segragted. I bet you and the with from Maryland can have a great discussion on this, but us grown ups, we're going to have a rational, amicable discusion.

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Reply #54 - Nov 20^th, 2010 at 10:27am

steel driving hammer wrote on Nov 20^th, 2010 at 10:17am:

So Marley was right...?

"Stolen from Africa, brought to America?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5Nem-PNHLY

Who knows anymore.

The History Books don't tell you anything.

My local library has some great books on the history of rock and roll, and covers alot of the roots from africa and the influence of american culture and how it has evolved right up to present day... I have been reading books that are fantasy novels right now, except for Keth's book, but if you really are interested, I'll recomend a few or maybe some others will... (begin sarcasm) Maybe Riffy can recomend a few, that support his view... His view is very interesting, especially his experience in jamaica not too long ago, where he saw white people, trying to be jamaican... which really means they were taking back, what the jamaicans had stolen and adopted as their own... which does make sense, since the rastafarians think they are the lost tribe of israel, and everyone knows there's no black people or dark skinned people from that part of the world... they are all white european looking, like in the pictures in the churchs...(end sarcasm)

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Sioux wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 11:36pm:

steel driving hammer wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 6:51am:

Sioux wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 6:14pm:

Go every Sunday, to a fundamental Baptist church. And yes, I am a Stones fan. So............... Wink

Faithfully?

With loving the Stones so much, I'd feel like a hypocrite.

Going every Sunday, and Wednesday night for choir rehersal, is pretty faithful, I would say. Since I was a tot.

Now, I'm not sayin' that I worship the Stones, or any man, for that matter. I love the music. I mostly love the early era----I love the 60's in general. I really like the Mick Taylor years as well. I do not love the lifestyle that most rock stars live----I did not, no do not, participate in many of the, er, "habits" that they might have endulged in.....I thoroughly enjoyed the '60's....the music, fashion, movies, TV, etc. I remember every minute, as I was a teen and didn't participate in drug or alcohol use, nor was I sexually active. I was really pretty innocent---no, VERY innocent. And I don't regret that at all.

No, I don't worship the Stones---as individuals, or as a group. But.....I think I can still qualify as a fan.

Good for you Sioux, for standing up for yourself & what you believe, at least you remember the 60's, it really was a great time in the world, I'm also a fan of that & the Mick Taylor era too, I did idolize the Stones, Keith Richards in particular, when I was a teenager, but with age I outgrew that, at least I can understand why people do that.

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It's really all about love.....God loves us all, no matter what or who we are. It's how we respond to that love that makes the difference for us all.

I've never condonded everything that anyone has ever done---including the things I've done! We are all flawed......but I still loves me some Stones music. Wink

And the young girl in me still gets excited when I see great pix of the boys! Cool

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steel driving hammer Ex Member	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #56 - Nov 20^th, 2010 at 10:31am Pdog are you still up from last night or just waking up early?
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steel driving hammer Ex Member	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #58 - Nov 20^th, 2010 at 11:25am Just thought it was a bit early in San Fran thats all. I got the older you get, the earlier to rise blues syndrome going on.
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Pdog Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 6,130 aTx Gender:	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #59 - Nov 20^th, 2010 at 12:05pm steel driving hammer wrote on Nov 20^th, 2010 at 11:25am: Just thought it was a bit early in San Fran thats all. I got the older you get, the earlier to rise blues syndrome going on. I left SF 2 1/2 years ago, live in austin, tx.
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Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church
Reply #60 - Nov 20^th, 2010 at 4:14pm

Sioux wrote on Nov 19^th, 2010 at 11:30pm:

[quote author=Factory Girl link=1290081995/0#12 date=1290125699] Patti Hansen is a born again Christian.

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Yes. She is. Thank you for that.

And she's a lot closer to the Stones than I am..... Wink

are you sure about that?

i thought she was old school lutheran like the rest of her family

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Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church
Reply #62 - Nov 21^st, 2010 at 4:12pm

Ok, so I'm in church today.... Wink

Sittin' in the front row of the choir, as usual. And the pastor, in the middle of the sermon, is talking about "satisfaction". Wink

Uh, can you see where I'm going with this? Wink

Yeah, he says something to the effect, "Well, I am a product of the 60's..." And I'm smilin', cuz I KNOW what's coming..."and there was a song...." Ok, here it comes.

"I Can't Get No...." And he holds out his hand and the congregation chimes in "Satisfaction". Grin

So, yeah, in a roundabout way, the Stones were in church today..... Wink

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steel driving hammer Ex Member	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #63 - Nov 21^st, 2010 at 5:05pm lol, yer kidding?
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Sioux Rocks Off Regular Offline Brian Jones---Foundation Stone--Golden Stone Posts: 4,176 Virginia, U.S.A. Gender:	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #64 - Nov 21^st, 2010 at 6:09pm steel driving hammer wrote on Nov 21^st, 2010 at 5:05pm: lol, yer kidding? Naw....true, 'dat!
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steel driving hammer Ex Member	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #65 - Nov 21^st, 2010 at 6:22pm Sioux wrote on Nov 21^st, 2010 at 6:09pm: steel driving hammer wrote on Nov 21^st, 2010 at 5:05pm: lol, yer kidding? Naw....true, 'dat! Not regular shit but, Holy shit!
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Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church
Reply #67 - Nov 21^st, 2010 at 6:26pm

Sioux wrote on Nov 21^st, 2010 at 4:12pm:

Ok, so I'm in church today.... Wink

Sittin' in the front row of the choir, as usual. And the pastor, in the middle of the sermon, is talking about "satisfaction". Wink

Uh, can you see where I'm going with this? Wink

Yeah, he says something to the effect, "Well, I am a product of the 60's..." And I'm smilin', cuz I KNOW what's coming..."and there was a song...." Ok, here it comes.

"I Can't Get No...." And he holds out his hand and the congregation chimes in "Satisfaction". Grin

So, yeah, in a roundabout way, the Stones were in church today..... Wink

Nice.

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Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church
Reply #68 - Nov 21^st, 2010 at 6:34pm

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Nov 21^st, 2010 at 6:24pm:

Sioux wrote on Nov 21^st, 2010 at 6:09pm:

steel driving hammer wrote on Nov 21^st, 2010 at 5:05pm:

lol, yer kidding?

Naw....true, 'dat! Wink

That's too funny. Was it the church of the Sacred Bleeding Heart of Jesus? Wink

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Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church
Reply #69 - Nov 21^st, 2010 at 8:42pm

Sioux wrote on Nov 21^st, 2010 at 4:12pm:

Ok, so I'm in church today.... Wink

Sittin' in the front row of the choir, as usual. And the pastor, in the middle of the sermon, is talking about "satisfaction". Wink

Uh, can you see where I'm going with this? Wink

Yeah, he says something to the effect, "Well, I am a product of the 60's..." And I'm smilin', cuz I KNOW what's coming..."and there was a song...." Ok, here it comes.

"I Can't Get No...." And he holds out his hand and the congregation chimes in "Satisfaction". Grin

So, yeah, in a roundabout way, the Stones were in church today..... Wink

if you hear the pastor go... "I hear you talking when I'm on the street, Your mouth don't move but I can hear you speak"... don't sit in front, it might get messy.

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steel driving hammer Ex Member	Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church Reply #70 - Nov 21^st, 2010 at 8:54pm lol, I was thinking he should of stood up and shouted to the preacher; "Whats a matta w/ cha boy, Jesus don't come round no more, Is he checking out the show, is he gonna close the door on me..." Just kidding, but seriously...
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Re: Can you be a Stones lover & still go to Church
Reply #72 - Nov 22^nd, 2010 at 6:54am

Pdog wrote on Nov 20^th, 2010 at 12:05pm:

steel driving hammer wrote on Nov 20^th, 2010 at 11:25am:

Just thought it was a bit early in San Fran thats all.

I got the older you get, the earlier to rise blues syndrome going on.

I left SF 2 1/2 years ago, live in austin, tx.

There's a band there called James McMurty and the Heartless Bastards from Austin, best album is Walk Between the Raindrops, it might be too slow for you but very heart felt.

Rex's Blues - http://www.google.com/url?url=http://ilike.myspacecdn.com/play%23James%2BMcMurtr...

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