All good points but don't discount the "star magnetism" that Ian, in his own special way, conveyed very well in his original post. He's been to places where few people have been and that's "special". Interestingly enough that "magnetism" is completely missing from BG's book where Ron just appears as a goofy guy.

gotdablouse wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 7:24pm:


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Yes. I have saw famous folks who had it and some did not. Some more than others. Ronnie has it. In his own, loud, happy way he has it. It was not so much all the people creating the energy, he has his own special thing goin.

We all knew it. It was apparent. He was very ready and is still talkin about being in Youngstown in interviews today. He came running down the steps like a kid in a candy store. Almost skipping down them. He was into havin fun and hangin out. His handlers did not want him to.

Ronnie was smiling ear to ear literally he was so happy. I have saw alot of footage, but Ronnie felt "special" and was happy because the Butler is no slouch of a museum. He was happy.

Ian

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 2:47am:


sorry Ian. I'm not interested in who's the biggest, richest or most sought after band on the planet.

I prefer bands who are  artistically creative, and who respect their fanbase, as opposed to financially assaulting them at every available opportunity.
   Give me an album, written with care, attention and from the heart,
rather than a bobble headed doll,  branded bottle of wine, or  a mask on a stick.

I'm just thinking of how generous and approachable a rather shy Charlie was at the 100 club last year. In comparison,If it's true about the ticketing for his upcoming "gigs",Ronnie has completely lost the plot.

I have never uttered these words before...............................BRING BACK TAYLOR.

and  I mean Dick !

sc uk

So in effect we are saying..."The Butler did it" ?

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Sep 24^th, 2010 at 12:14pm:



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In my opinion the ending and final blame does go to the Butler. I realize they cannot "make" Ronnie and his people go public or talk to anyone if they don't plan on it BUT....

A: If Ronnie's people did not want a Meet and Greet and/or any press...
   -Don't tout it as such. Nobody could feel ripped off. Keep press out of the building. End of Story.
    Very simple

B. If things did start to get too pushy for Ronnie....
   -Make an announcement or tell the public to give him space.... I am sure anyone who "may" of been
    too pushy would of been more than happy to go along in order to keep Ronnie in sight and in
    availability.

Instead the evening was touted quite inaccurately. As well, they showed no sign of wanting him to come out of hiding/behind closed doors in order to keep their guests satisfied. In fact they were
pretty coy in not wanting anyone to be in contact with him outside his door.

What it boils down to is I, and everyone there paid $150.00 - $200.00 dollars to be in the same large hall with Ronnie wood for a total of three minutes...

I would NEVER of considered that. If it was $20.00...$30.00 bucks. Heck even $40.00 I would of sucked it up and said "well, what do ya want? It was opening night, and Ronnie showed."

Not TWO HUNDRED FUCKING DOLLARS for that! I am still working on getting my money back. Their PR rep is out of town but still in good contact with me via email and she has been cooperative, empathetic, and responsive. She says she cannot address this fully until she gets back to the Butler next week in which we plan to talk. This is fine, but I am not letting this go. I want reimbursed.

I know I am making a big deal about this but in essence ....they totally misrepresented, and potentially ripped three hundred people out and something needs to done.

You could say "it's over" ..."move on". But it is not over. Once I get reimbursed then it will be over, I'll be done with it, and I go on with life. Right now, there is still something that can be done to make things ok again.

If this was accidental, I would not care half as bad. If the Butler burned down before the event I would not bitch and would consider the circumstances and may be out $200.00. It wasn't all accidental. I'm sure The Butler did not "intend" on making anyone angry (I am speaking about several people) but ....nothing was done to prevent that because of failure to address issues or failure of being 100% on the level. Either way ...something has to be done to make it even is all I want and That I will get. 

What truly makes me angry is they would of just went on with life as if the event panned out beautifully for everyone if me and others didn't make a stink to them. They were ready to take the cash and run. This is what makes me angry.




Ian

>I know I am making a big deal about this but in essence ....they totally misrepresented, and potentially ripped three hundred people out and something needs to done. 

I dont think anyone would begrudge you making a 'big deal' of it. You're 100% justified in doing so.

>You could say "it's over" ..."move on". But it is not over. Once I get reimbursed then it will be over, I'll be done with it, and I go on with life. Right now, there is still something that can be done to make things ok again. 

Good for you!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butler_Institute_of_American_Art

According to wikipedia:

"The Butler Institute of American Art, located on Wick Avenue in Youngstown, Ohio, United States, was the first museum dedicated exclusively to American art.[1] Established by local industrialist and philanthropist Joseph G. Butler, Jr., the museum has been operating pro bono since 1919."

"pro bono" means Pro bono publico is a phrase derived from Latin meaning "for the public good".  In other words, it is a non-profit organization!

Since most people that attend their events are probably aware of this fact, they did not see the need to advertise this fact.

According to their website:

http://www.butlerart.com/education.htm

"The Butler offers a wide array of visual arts programs for people of all ages. Tours of the museum's permanent collection and temporary shows offer visitors assistance interpreting exhibitions. A variety of free programs serve the communities schools, service groups, libraries and nursing homes. Butler docent volunteers bring slide and computer presentations to area groups, and introduce them to this valuable cultural resource."

Your generous donation of $200 is more than likely tax deductable.

gorda wrote on Sep 25^th, 2010 at 1:19pm:

This is how the event was billed:
The invitation read as follows: "A reception to honor artist Ronnie Wood and to view an exhibition of his Paintings, Drawings and Prints." The RSVP card read as follows: "Reception to Meet Ronnie Wood. 8-10 pm"

"Proceeds benefit free Butler children's programs"

Here is a video of the unruly mob that night at the Buler.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iub8EO48d5s&feature=player_embedded

So how did that meeting pan out Ian, did they give you a refund or some kind of compensation?

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Sep 25^th, 2010 at 4:58pm:


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THANK YOU!!!!

You see... that was exactly after everyone went towards him. What was looking to be like a really "cool and exciting" nite as you could see was soon to be .... gone from sight. I told you. Nobody was rippin the dudes cloths off. He was alright...geez. After he went up those steps none of us saw him again. He was taken out of sight. Nobody even got to see him up there for even 2 seconds. We actually figured out where he was. Now look at that video, he was not in danger as I noted. Everything was cool. I was right there.  What a fuckin rip eh?...


Ian

Here is his speech. NOTE: If you look to the right, you'll see two guys in tan long sleeve dress shirts. they were the dudes who caught his attention in which he was talking to. I was directly behind them so now you know how he was right in front of me and how I heard his whole conversation.

speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3uNjZI9Fkc&NR=1

Posted below is a pic I took when he was making the speech and as you'll note....there is the one guy in the tan shirt right in front of me to the right.

This is why I thought ...."well hey, I am up next and right away to chat with Ronnie here right now...just great"....

-Never happened.

Ian