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Well here it is ...The Stones have a brand new record contract ( ...and yes they have stated they would like to continue recording....), rumors and talk of a tour next year and into 2012 are getting thicker and things look very promising for that.

If this is so it's my guess they starting writing together by now. Why? They (Mick and Keith) always would of started writing together by now if they are due to have an album out next year that's why. I have no clue of this but Mick and Keith would of easily started together by now "if" they are planning on releasing an album the following year. This time would be no different I'm sure.


Just kind of interesting to note that they may be writing new stuff for a brand new album right now is all.


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This isn't 1968 when they lived half a mile apart in Cheyne Walk.

They dont write together and with a few exceptions havent done for decades. Despite the bullshit that gets spouted when they bother releasing anything new. They write separately from scratch and then flesh stuff out later on. Thats about the extent of their collaborations.

They also live 3,000 miles apart and hardly ever see each other.

It's not rocket science.

And, according to his wife,  Keith doesnt even have a basement studio in his home anymore.

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They'll put together a few songs as a new album. Then they'll go on the road and say its written to be 'performed live' or something. They'll do 3 or 4 songs from it per show at first, which will be down to a couple by Christmas.

I'll only be seeing them on the European leg anyway, by which stage it'll be down to one. Or even less as was the case at some shows in the second half of the last tour.

If the Stones could get away with not putting out a new record to herald a new tour, they'd do it. The odd thing is that most people in the sort of audience they've aimed themselves at the 21st century dont care about new songs and the band dont have enough self belief in the material to perform much of it. Unlike, say. '78 when they literally confronted an audience by filling half a show with previously unplayed material and rammed it down their throats. It did no harm. It was the most successful album of their career and the fans came back in their millions next time three years later making it their biggest tour to date at that point (and the new album they toured behind continued the commercial success of 'Some Girls' and even outstripped it)

The only real logic in putting out a new record is to pay lip service to critics by trying to convince them that they're a current band - the same critics who would slaughter them for being a nostalgia act trapped in a timewarp for ONLY playing old material, but who would also criticise them for playing new material that hardly anyone cares about. If they were really honest, the Stones could and should have renamed the last tour "Licks Part 2". Realistically, its reasonable to expect the next one to effectively be 'Licks Part 3'. It'll coincide with the band's golden anniversary and as a result nostalgia will be very much in vogue whether the Stones want it to be or not. Nostalgia is a very profitable and comfortable old horse, so you can bet they'll gladly saddle up and ride it.  It wont require much effort.
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Gazza wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 7:47am:
They'll put together a few songs as a new album. Then they'll go on the road and say its written to be 'performed live' or something. They'll do 3 or 4 songs from it per show at first, which will be down to a couple by Christmas.

I'll only be seeing them on the European leg anyway, by which stage it'll be down to one. Or even less as was the case at some shows in the second half of the last tour.

If the Stones could get away with not putting out a new record to herald a new tour, they'd do it. The odd thing is that most people in the sort of audience they've aimed themselves at the 21st century dont care about new songs and the band dont have enough self belief in the material to perform much of it. Unlike, say. '78 when they literally confronted an audience by filling half a show with previously unplayed material and rammed it down their throats. It did no harm. It was the most successful album of their career and the fans came back in their millions next time three years later making it their biggest tour to date at that point (and the new album they toured behind continued the commercial success of 'Some Girls' and even outstripped it)

The only real logic in putting out a new record is to pay lip service to critics by trying to convince them that they're a current band - the same critics who would slaughter them for being a nostalgia act trapped in a timewarp for ONLY playing old material, but who would also criticise them for playing new material that hardly anyone cares about. If they were really honest, the Stones could and should have renamed the last tour "Licks Part 2". Realistically, its reasonable to expect the next one to effectively be 'Licks Part 3'. It'll coincide with the band's golden anniversary and as a result nostalgia will be very much in vogue whether the Stones want it to be or not. Nostalgia is a very profitable and comfortable old horse, so you can bet they'll gladly saddle up and ride it.  It wont require much effort.

Which is all the more reason they should have toured behind the Exile re-release.
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Installment # 241 of the "they're writing together" series.

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Excellent post Gazza. I can't figure out if you want new material or could care less.....
I agree with everything you said and could care less about new material. The Exile re-release proved that people, not just fans, are still fascinated by the Stones' history. Its the "new" stuff people lose interest in, with Plundered My Soul an exception, but that is an exceptional case. I'm fine with nostalgia at this point. I don't know if I've lost my adolescent crush where I need new stuff from the Stones or if I'm just getting old or whatever. I've got Some GIrls in my car stereo and that's all I need right now. Listening to SG and coming off the heels of an Exile re-discovery, I just can't imagine the Stones, at this point, ever surpassing thier best years.
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No one has written a song in the last 20 years that has stayed with me longer than a few days. So what makes me think the Stones ever will again? There'll never be another glory run like 68-73 ....cause it's all over now.......
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Couldn't agree more with Gazza. Apart from the fact that they have grown further and further apart as friends since probably the end of Some Girls, one of the things that killed their songwriting is the fact that they no longer live in the same city. It's important because, as Bill Wyman has mentioned before, outside the Stones, Mick and Keith don't do much. A solo album every 5-10 years is not very productive and neither is producing films here and there. Consequently, my guess is that, bar their mutual dislike for each other, they would write more together if they lived in the same place because they just don't do much outside of that. However, they socialize in different circles, have few common friends outside the Stones, and don't fail to slag each other off when possible (mainly starting with Keith). The only thing is that if they lived near each other, others might push them to do things but Mick has said he hardly ever goes to Connecticut and Keith visits England maybe twice a year. And even then, I doubt that he ever sees Mick. If they had the courage to truly write great songs that they are still capable of and truly tour behind those songs, things might be different, but when you are given millions of dollars to continue living the super comfortable life they enjoy, the motivation is minimal. That's why it's hilarious when Keith slags Mick off for selling out, when in fact, he's just as guilty but hides behind his media persona.
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Life is about growing up and your interests change and relationships change why would you all want to deny these guys their right to be human and do the same as us?
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Gazza wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 6:30am:
This isn't 1968 when they lived half a mile apart in Cheyne Walk.

They dont write together and with a few exceptions havent done for decades. Despite the bullshit that gets spouted when they bother releasing anything new. They write separately from scratch and then flesh stuff out later on. Thats about the extent of their collaborations.

They also live 3,000 miles apart and hardly ever see each other.

It's not rocket science.

And, according to his wife,  Keith doesnt even have a basement studio in his home anymore.



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Well "whatever" they do in your opinion ...be it patching up songs each of them wrote or whatever (I am still a believer they DO write together in today's age more than many think). I am guessing they are together right now if they are to have an album out next year. That is what I am saying. By the time scale in the past 25 years they would of already been together working (in whatever way...) on it. This is all I'm saying.

My guess is this time is no different.


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Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 1:27pm:
Gazza wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 6:30am:
This isn't 1968 when they lived half a mile apart in Cheyne Walk.

They dont write together and with a few exceptions havent done for decades. Despite the bullshit that gets spouted when they bother releasing anything new. They write separately from scratch and then flesh stuff out later on. Thats about the extent of their collaborations.

They also live 3,000 miles apart and hardly ever see each other.

It's not rocket science.

And, according to his wife,  Keith doesnt even have a basement studio in his home anymore.



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Well "whatever" they do in your opinion ...be it patching up songs each of them wrote or whatever (I am still a believer they DO write together in today's age more than many think). I am guessing they are together right now if they are to have an album out next year. That is what I am saying. By the time scale in the past 25 years they would of already been together working (in whatever way...) on it. This is all I'm saying.

My guess is this time is no different.


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..and I'm 'guessing' you're wrong.

And how do you write songs with someone you see for a couple of hours a year, who lives on another continent for 11 months of the year and who doesnt even use a phone, let alone the internet?

They cant even agree publicly on whether Mick Taylor played on the Exile bonus songs for goodness sake. Thats how joined at the hip they are.

Maybe they're collaborating by fax. As we type.
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Gazza wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 7:47am:
They'll put together a few songs as a new album. Then they'll go on the road and say its written to be 'performed live' or something. They'll do 3 or 4 songs from it per show at first, which will be down to a couple by Christmas.

I'll only be seeing them on the European leg anyway, by which stage it'll be down to one. Or even less as was the case at some shows in the second half of the last tour.

If the Stones could get away with not putting out a new record to herald a new tour, they'd do it. The odd thing is that most people in the sort of audience they've aimed themselves at the 21st century dont care about new songs and the band dont have enough self belief in the material to perform much of it. Unlike, say. '78 when they literally confronted an audience by filling half a show with previously unplayed material and rammed it down their throats. It did no harm. It was the most successful album of their career and the fans came back in their millions next time three years later making it their biggest tour to date at that point (and the new album they toured behind continued the commercial success of 'Some Girls' and even outstripped it)

The only real logic in putting out a new record is to pay lip service to critics by trying to convince them that they're a current band - the same critics who would slaughter them for being a nostalgia act trapped in a timewarp for ONLY playing old material, but who would also criticise them for playing new material that hardly anyone cares about. If they were really honest, the Stones could and should have renamed the last tour "Licks Part 2". Realistically, its reasonable to expect the next one to effectively be 'Licks Part 3'. It'll coincide with the band's golden anniversary and as a result nostalgia will be very much in vogue whether the Stones want it to be or not. Nostalgia is a very profitable and comfortable old horse, so you can bet they'll gladly saddle up and ride it.  It wont require much effort.

Which is all the more reason they should have toured behind the Exile re-release.



Keith had heavier and more important business to attend to. I'll happily acknowledge he had a good excuse.
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I'm sure they are capable of phoning each other as at least business associates often do espec since Patti is doing a little better but probably hesitant to go off on the road etc. wouldn't you think?  Plus it seems the muse has left the building is what I have discerned from recent lyrics.  Plus maybe they are still burned out from the last run.  Plus they know we have no money.
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Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 1:27pm:
Gazza wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 6:30am:
This isn't 1968 when they lived half a mile apart in Cheyne Walk.

They dont write together and with a few exceptions havent done for decades. Despite the bullshit that gets spouted when they bother releasing anything new. They write separately from scratch and then flesh stuff out later on. Thats about the extent of their collaborations.

They also live 3,000 miles apart and hardly ever see each other.

It's not rocket science.

And, according to his wife,  Keith doesnt even have a basement studio in his home anymore.



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Well "whatever" they do in your opinion ...be it patching up songs each of them wrote or whatever (I am still a believer they DO write together in today's age more than many think). I am guessing they are together right now if they are to have an album out next year. That is what I am saying. By the time scale in the past 25 years they would of already been together working (in whatever way...) on it. This is all I'm saying.

My guess is this time is no different.


Ian

Well according to recent reports from IORR. Keith is franticly trying to finish his book and Mick has been spotted fishing in France. Of course we know where Ronnie is and Charlie was recently in Poland. So other than a supposed band meeting in July. It doesn't appear they've been together.
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Excellent post Gazza. I can't figure out if you want new material or could care less.....
I agree with everything you said and could care less about new material. The Exile re-release proved that people, not just fans, are still fascinated by the Stones' history. Its the "new" stuff people lose interest in, with Plundered My Soul an exception, but that is an exceptional case. I'm fine with nostalgia at this point. I don't know if I've lost my adolescent crush where I need new stuff from the Stones or if I'm just getting old or whatever. I've got Some GIrls in my car stereo and that's all I need right now. Listening to SG and coming off the heels of an Exile re-discovery, I just can't imagine the Stones, at this point, ever surpassing thier best years.
I guess I'm just cynical.



I would love new material. I enjoyed the last album. My enthusiasm for it has waned with time, but I still like it a lot. I'll take anything - new material, archives releases - anything but repackaged hits albums and badly edited live releases.  In the long run, I'm more interested in a properly organised, assembled and maintained archives series - but a new record would be preferable in the short term.

However, I realise that its not all about lunatics who have a borderline fundamentalist disorder towards the band's career - lunatics like me, that is.

Plus, I honestly dont think Mick and Keith give a flying fuck about making new Rolling Stones music. Four albums in 25 years speaks volumes - think about it , we're now at a stage where 'Dirty Work' , a record seen by many as a 'latter day' Stones album with the band in disarray, marks the half way point of their career as a band.

We've been fed this 'I'm about to call Mick to see if he wants to work' shite for a couple of years. Can't people get the hint that their hearts really aren't in it and that if they ARE going to put out something to 'justify' (not 'promote') a tour, its more a case of going through the motions to make it look good? They'll record it, put it out, talk it up in the press - and then will largely ignore it when they go on the road.

No 'artist' should make a record they dont believe in. If they're going to make one, then make it a good one - and ram the fucker down every doubter's throats.
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I'm sure they are capable of phoning each other as at least business associates often do espec since Patti is doing a little better but probably hesitant to go off on the road etc. wouldn't you think?  Plus it seems the muse has left the building is what I have discerned from recent lyrics.  Plus maybe they are still burned out from the last run.  Plus they know we have no money.


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I am guessing they are together right now if they are to have an album out next year.


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sweetcharmedlife wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 1:49pm:
Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 1:27pm:
Gazza wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 6:30am:
This isn't 1968 when they lived half a mile apart in Cheyne Walk.

They dont write together and with a few exceptions havent done for decades. Despite the bullshit that gets spouted when they bother releasing anything new. They write separately from scratch and then flesh stuff out later on. Thats about the extent of their collaborations.

They also live 3,000 miles apart and hardly ever see each other.

It's not rocket science.

And, according to his wife,  Keith doesnt even have a basement studio in his home anymore.



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Well "whatever" they do in your opinion ...be it patching up songs each of them wrote or whatever (I am still a believer they DO write together in today's age more than many think). I am guessing they are together right now if they are to have an album out next year. That is what I am saying. By the time scale in the past 25 years they would of already been together working (in whatever way...) on it. This is all I'm saying.

My guess is this time is no different.


Ian

Well according to recent reports from IORR. Keith is franticl trying to finish his book and Mick has been spotted fishing in Spain. Of course we know where Ronnie is and Charlie was recently in Poland. So other than a supposed band meeting in July. It doesn't appear they've been together.



Isnt it finished? I thought certain posters claimed to have (proof)read it.

If its out in two months, I'd imagine its finished by now.

Unless you mean that the book he's 'frantically trying to finish' is one that he's reading..... Wink
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He's writing the final chapter(s) of his autobiography and it's a bit past deadline... That's busy!
If you've ever set foot in a newspaper room, spoken with a reporter or an author past their deadlines... You know they're busy - because they're NOT speaking to anyone untill the job's done.
I know he didn't have time to hang out with an old pal when in NYC recently, because of all the book-stress.
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Interesting.   keef book stress and mick fishing in spain.  oh dear.  

then he has to do the audio after the book is finished.  christ. we may never see either of them again. 
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Not to worry.

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Reply #24 - Aug 25th, 2010 at 2:45pm
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