Gazza wrote on Aug 7
th, 2010 at 8:06pm:
Pdog wrote on Aug 7
th, 2010 at 5:45pm:
Gazza wrote on Aug 7
th, 2010 at 4:23pm:
Edith Grove wrote on Aug 7
th, 2010 at 3:18pm:
Gazza wrote on Aug 7
th, 2010 at 12:37pm:
More fucking overpriced enormodome shows it is in 2011-2012 for the Stones, then.....
Perhaps, but don't you think there will be
some arena shows as well?
Maybe, but in general I think it'll be a shorter tour, focussing mainly on stadiums in 'A' markets.
Boston, NYC, Chicago, SF, LA, Dallas, Houston, Miami, Seattle, Denver, Phoenix, Atlanta.... kinda like that...?
Yeah. Thats my personal opinion.
The last tour was what, about 147 shows? I cant see them undertaking one as long as that ever again. And they played so many out of the way places they'd never visited before or hadnt gone to in decades that it was as if it was a 'farewell' to many of those cities or a way of putting a pin on as many 'places we've visited' as possible. There's only so much mileage you're going to get playing large scale shows in places like Missoula, Bucharest, Boise and Budva.
Originally they had planned to play more arena shows last time than they actually did. The problem was that the Stones' guarantees are so ridiculous, very few local promoters are going to take a gamble on staging a Stones gig in an arena as their own profits arent that high. So, they end up playing stadiums in these cities instead, where instead of playing a 18,000 capacity venue, they can play a 40,000 seater and it gives the promoter more of a chance of making a profit if they can somehow shift 25-30,000 tickets even if it means a bit of tarping and firesales. The Stones get their guarantee anyway and their tour is underwritten by corporate sponsorship, so its not their problem. Its avicious circle - the Stones ask for so much money to perform that the shows have to be on a massive scale for anyone else BUT the band to make it worth their while.
That problem is magnified even further four or five years later with the world in the middle of a global recession. Even stadium shows are a risk for any promoter when you consider how much the Stones ask for a guarantee and how much they charge for tickets. Its a tough sell in anywhere but the biggest markets - UNLESS of course the Stones and Live Nation (or whoever is representing them) change the way theyve been doing business for the last decade or more and get a reality check.
Another massive, 2-year trek playing a variety of markets simply doesnt make sense in any way that I can see.
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Everything you wrote here is for the most part true and while it all does make sense ...
Somehow every time The Stones manage to out do themselves and surprise us all. This time however I can't see them doing 150 shows (then again I couldn't see them doing that many last time and it happened. If it happens again, and they stage an all out enormous tour with tons of shows and do it well I gotta say ...I'll never count them out again....ever... even at 90 years old).
-In 89 nobody was quite sure how it would go and by the time it was all over the tour set a new standard for concerts/touring/promoting.
-94 They said it certainly wouldn't be as big as Steel Wheels yet the tour kept building steam and by the time it was over it was pretty damn close.
-In 97 it was rumored they would play it conservatively being as their was a change in motion with a different type of album coming from them. It was said it would be more sparse tour than the last two. Well yes it was in a sense but they did a stadium tour and followed up with an outrageously high priced arena tour as a cherry on the cake and did very, very well at both.
-In 2002 rumors were flying that The Stones were not physically up to touring as they used to ...then they staged their most multifaceted tour ever and pulled it off with out a hitch.
-In 2005 nobody thought they would stage an all stadium tour and basically .... that's what ABB turned out to be and it became their longest tour ever grossing more than anyone ever has.
Tell me Gazza, when is it the end of all these enormous tours with creaming the competition? When will finally, ..after all these damn decades ..will it finally be the end of The Rolling Stones on a total grand scale?
I know you deal with facts and logical thinking. That's respectable. However remember, the fact that The Stones are still around or still around at this level in 2010 is in many ways totally illogical.
They usually find new ways of doing things. New ways to pull off a major tour and still make tons of money. In 2005-2008 the economy was already failing and times were getting pretty tough around the globe yet it had no effect on the cash they pulled in or the amount of people who went to see them.
I'm not saying your wrong or your inaccurate with your thoughts. In fact I'd say almost everything you said is right on the money.
I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me 110% if this was another grand scale tour planned.
Ian
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