Just curious to see how people are seeing his latest tirade, threatening to kill his ex, accusing of her a God-knows what....using racial slurs including the dreaded N word. This is nasty stuff, really neanderthal-lish shit.
Maybe I'm crazy, but for some reason, a guy caught on tape railing against his ex is ....well, its sort of ....human.
I don't condone what or how he said the things he said, but in the heat of an argument with a lover, or in a divorce, things can get really bad, and mean and hateful. Gibson sounds crazy, but off-the-rails pissed and desparate, like people can tend to get when they're in the middle of a bad breakup. Sure, its not rational or acceptable but its like you at your worst moment, weakest moment and all your shit comes out.
The guy's got issues beyond this "breakup" to be sure, but Alec Baldwin called his 10-year old daughter a "pig" - and somehow, that is worse to me. But Baldwin is riding high and barely suffered any flack from Hollywood. I'm a avowed "liberal", but to me, this smacks of double standards in Hollywood. Gibson is a retro-Roman Catholic of mideival proportions and has made anit-semitic remarks and makes movies about Jesus. Baldwin is a beloved Hollywood liberal.
Is it worse to offend entire populations of people - or being abusive to a very young daughter at a very delicate age? Gibson may be a blowhard, but he's harmless in any real sense, does any of us believe he's going to kill this woman? But God help Caitlin Baldwin.

texile wrote on Jul 12^th, 2010 at 8:29pm:


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I totally agree with every single word in your post except the part where you say Gibson is harmless, (he may flip out and try hurting someone one day. Seems as though he has that in him. thing is he will probably get his ass kicked a bit hah). Other than that it's exactly how I feel... from his rant being semi-understandable being many a emotions fume and boil over in situations as that and it is then you are at your weakest yet most raging.

As well ... calling your daughter names is a no-no and is not excusable. No matter what the circumstances were it's your little girl Dad... give me a break. That act is much stranger and un-excusable yet as you mention .... nobody cared that much and now Baldwin is doing well acting wise and came out smelling like a rose?? I never understood it?

Ian

Mel Gibson may have some issues, but that ex of his is one calculating, manipulating gold-digger if I've ever seen one. She's handling all this and playing him like a pro.

What is wrong with callling your daughter 'a pig'?? Perhaps there was message that needed to get through to her. Jesus wept. What should've happened to Alec for this oh-so-awful sin?

And please remember, he is not and never was, an Australian!!!

Gazza wrote on Jul 14^th, 2010 at 4:17am:


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The "calve"?


I.B.

"What is wrong with callling your daughter 'a pig'?? Perhaps there was message that needed to get through to her."

It really wasn't so much of what he said as how he said it.
It is one thing if your kid is chowing down some McNuggets and you call out her eating habits. 

Baldwin was fucked up and being a total prick to his girl.   
I don't remember her age at the time, but I think it was early teens.
Tough time to be that nasty to a daughter.

But it is Alec Baldwin, one of the largest wastes of flesh known to man.

The William Morris Endeavor Agency has announced that they’re dropping Mel Gibson from their talent roster, and will no longer represent him. Because he used a “bad word”, about no one in particular, and in a moment of passion:
I’ve just learned that WME Entertainment actually fired Mel Gibson the day before his longtime Hollywood agent Ed Limato’s death last weekend. I’m told what happened is that the news media reported last week there was a tape of Mel Gibson making a racial slur. And last Friday, WME board member Ari Emanuel “woke up at 3 AM and emailed his partner Patrick Whitesell that ‘we can’t represent a guy who said the N-word’.” So the agency dumped Mel Gibson on July 2nd, and the next day, on July 3rd, his agent Limato died. Today the 2-minute recording was released by the celebrity website RadarOnline.com which initially broke the news that on it Mel Gibson allegedly uses a racial epithet during a fight with Oksana Grigorieva, the mother of his child: “You’re an embarrassment to me. You look like a f***ing bitch in heat, and if you get raped by a pack of n***ers, it will be your fault.”
Let’s be absolutely clear about what’s going on here. This isn’t about “the N word”, or about Grigorieva’s unproven claim that Mel Gibson slapped her around.
It has nothing to do with any of that, and I’ll prove it.
This is Hollywood paying Mel Gibson back for the unforgivable crime of making a movie about Jesus Christ several years ago. And for refusing to condemn his own father when Hollywood scum attacked Hutton Gibson for having his own views about World War 2. And for Mel telling a cop that Jews are behind all the wars of the world, which might’ve been an exaggeration, but not a huge one. They certainly were behind the Iraq quagmire – over in Israel, the main newspaper bragged in 2003 that the Iraq War was a Jewish creation:
The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history.
In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town: the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them Jewish, almost all of them intellectuals (a partial list: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer), people who are mutual friends…
So it’s just terrific for the Israeli media to boast about Jews dragging America into a no win war, but if Mel Gibson mentions Jews and war after having a few drinks, he’s an anti-Semite?

Spare me.

But mostly it’s about The Passion of the Christ. The Hollywood elites hated that movie more than any other theatrical production in history, and they hated Mel Gibson for using film to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. They declared war on him as soon as the project was announced, and stepped up their hate campaign after it was released, after they tried, but failed, to block its release. In New York City, run by the same kind of people who run Hollywood, the authorities even dispatched 20 cops from the Hate Crimes Unit to go watch the movie for possible “hate crimes” violations. Here’s a reprint of an article that originally appeared in the New York Post: (You can also read about it here.)

‘Hate' Cops Go See Mel MovieE
By Larry Celona and William Neuman
March 2, 2004 — The cops at the NYPD’s Hate Crimes Unit are passionate about their work – and they’ve all been told to watch Mel Gibson’s controversial new movie about the last hours of Jesus.
Some Jewish leaders and Christian scholars charge the movie, “The Passion of the Christ,” could lead to an upsurge in anti-Semitism because of the way it portrays Jews and their role in Jesus’ death.
Aware of those concerns, the Hate Crimes Unit supervisor, Inspector Dennis Blackman, ordered the 20 detectives under his command to see the film after it opened last week. One NY elected official who’s tight with the Hollywood crowd used the power of his political office to intimidate studios into refusing to have anything to do with the movie:
In 2003, Hikind and a group of supporters protested Mel Gibson’s film The Passion of the Christ. He led about 50 Jewish leaders and supporters to the Fox News Corp. offices in Manhattan in a demonstration, chanting “The Passion is a lethal weapon against Jews.” Hikind was vocal in his anger against the movie, saying: “It will result in anti-Semitism and bigotry. It really takes us back to the Dark Ages … the Inquisition, the Crusades, all for the so-called sin of the Crucifixion of Jesus.” After a News Corp. spokesman announced that they had passed on the film, Hikind warned other movie companies that they too should not distribute the film.

Another group who share the same ethnic and religious background of Ari Emanuel actually wrote to the Attorney General of the United States, demanding that Mel Gibson be prosecuted for making the film:

Los Angeles, Alta California [!] – March 16, 2004 – (ACN) A Jewish group led by Ephraim ben Laibl says that Mel Gibson’s film “The Passion of the Christ” violates “Hate Crime Laws” and wants US Attorney General John Ashcroft to prosecute the Actor-Director. Ephraim ben Laibl is the founder and director of the Messiah Truth Project and is often featured in The Jewish Press, The Jerusalem Post and at USAJewish.Com. He also serves as CTO for Pirchei Shoshanims’ “Schulchan Aruch Learning Project” and is a producer of Israel National Radio.
Ephraim ben Laibl and his Jewish supporters are presently distributing a petition in the Jewish communities of Los Angeles, New York City and other major cities throughout the USA. When enough signatures are collected, the petition will be forwarded to the US Department of Justice for action. The petition effort is getting significant publicity in the Zionist media including on radio here in Los Angeles.
The petition reads:
Gibson’s “The Passion” in Violation of Hate Crime Statutes
Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of the Christ,” through purposeful rewriting of the Christian Gospel mythos has, itself, become an anti-Semitic diatribe which, since it’s February 25, 2004 release resulted in hate crimes against Jews, Synagogues and Jewish Cemeteries in cities throughout the US. Mel Gibson’s unbiblical and a-historical account of the “crucifixion” story has taken Hutton Gibson’s claims that the Holocaust is “fiction,” even one step further.
Just as Adolf Hitler described the 300th anniversary performance of the Oberammergau Passion Play as “a convincing portrayal of the menace of Jewry” in 1934, Gibson and Writer/producer Tom Fontana’s 2004 use of extreme graphic and excessive violence set up and perpetrated at the urging of “the Jews” in their portrayal displays a clear prejudicial bent against the Jewish faith.
United State law defines “bias related” or “hate crime” to mean a “designated act that demonstrates an accused’s prejudice based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, sex, age, marital status, personal appearance, sexual orientation, family responsibility, physical handicap, matriculation, or political affiliation of a victim of the subject designated act.” Depending on the state, criminal and / or civil laws may apply, as well as recently enacted Federal statutes.
We implore US Attorney General John Ashcroft and the US Department of Justice to evaluate the anti-Semitism clearly presented in Gibson and Fontana’s portrayal, and ask that civil, criminal, and Federal hate-crime laws, as appropriate, be utilized not only against the perpetrators involved in each and every act which it has encouraged, but against the directors, producers, and screen writers responsible for the work itself.”
The Hollywood-DC-New York axis of evil have never forgiven Mel Gibson for making what they regard as the most disgusting movie in history, and they’ve been trying to bring him down ever since. The people who run Hollywood absolutely despise Jesus Christ, and they despise Mel Gibson for making a movie about Him. That’s what this is about. It has nothing to do with “the N word.”


I said I’d prove it, so here goes.
This is about “the N word”? What a laugh. This was a private conversation, which is nobody’s else’s business. And it took place in the heat of passion. What man in his right mind wouldn’t be upset about the mother of his infant child running around dressed provocatively? Everyone talks differently when they’re extremely angry, even liberals. And Mel Gibson never used the word about anybody but potential rapists. Since when do rapists deserve respect? Contrast this to the reaction to Bill Clinton’s racial insult of Obama. When Ted Kennedy refused his request to endorse Hillary for president instead of Obama, Clinton angrily retorted that “a few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee.” But that’s okay, because Bill Clinton never made a film about Jesus Christ, so he gets away with that sort of thing.
Ari Emanuel, the head of the William Morris Endeavor agency, emailed his colleague to say “we can’t represent a guy who said the N word.” Really? Check out some of WME’s other clients — P. Diddy, Kanye West, Snoop Dogg, Mary J. Blige, 50 Cent, and many other rappers who toss the N word around like confetti. Just do a quick search for the lyrics of any of those people, and you’ll see that their “songs” are filled with 'the N word'. But Ari Emanuel hasn’t announced that he’s dropping any of these performers. 
Emanuel’s WME agency also represents Ice Cube. Ice Cube is not only a rapper, he’s also a movie star. He became famous in the early 1990s with the group Niggaz With Attidude, who made songs like “F*** Tha Police.” He left the group a little later, after a bitter dispute, which he blamed on their “White Jew” manager, Jerry Heller. He wrote a song attacking his former group called No Vaseline, in which he went on about the “White Jew”, and told the group they needed to put “a bullet in his temple.” Ice Cube is also a member of the White-hating Nation of Islam cult, and he recorded songs about killing White “devils.” Here’s one sample:
Bust a Glock; devils get shot … when God give the word me herd like the buffalo through the neighborhood; watch me blast … I’m killing more crackers than Bosnia-Herzegovina, each and everyday … don’t bust until you see the Whites of his eyes, the Whites of his skin … Louis Farrakhan … Bloods and CRIPS, and little old me, and we all getting ready for the enemy.
About this time, Ice Cube discovered and mentored a group called Da Lench Mob. He gave them their big break by featuring them on his album AmeriKKKa’s Most Wanted, and then went on to produce their debut album, and their follow up album. Here are some of the lyrics from Da Lench Mob, who also hate White “devils” and want to kill a whole bunch of us:
Swing by on the pale guy … break him in the neck … the guerrilla with the poison tip … shaking pinky up on a dull-ass ice-pick … this is Lench Mob … devil, what you want to do; when you see the boot, knew your head is hoohoo
Dropping verses, casting curses, throwing these hexes on the devils … respect to Farrakhan, but I’m the jungle-don, the new guerrilla, top-ranked honky killer … what do blacks do; they just keep on blowing devils away … evil f***ing cracker … I’m tightening up the laces to my steel-toed boots, so I can walk, stomp; we stomp this devil down in the park
We’re having thoughts of overthrowing the government … the brothers and sisters threw their fists in the air … it’s open season on crackers, you know; the morgue will be full of Caucasian John Doe’s … I make the Riot sh*t look like a fairy tale … oh my god, Allah, have mercy; I’m killing them devils because they’re not worthy to walk the earth with the original black man; they must be forgetting; it’s time for Armageddon, and I won’t rest until they’re all dead 
The crackers ain’t sh*t; chase them out of the jungle; now raise up off the planet … we get the 12 gauge; shot to the chest … we hitting devils up … Da Lench Mob, environmental terrorist … I gripped the Glock and had to knock his head from his shoulders … I got the .30[6] on the rooftop; pop; pop; so many devils die … make sure I kill them … lynch a thousand a week if it’s necessary
That’s the group Ice Cube discovered, mentored and served as producer and executive producer for both their albums. And today he’s not only still represented by Ari Emanuel’s WME agency, he stars in kid’s movies, and makes production deals with Disney.
Ari Emanuel has no problem with Ice Cube, but Mel Gibson has to go?
Hollywood can’t tolerate Mel saying a naughty word but turns a man who recorded song after song about killing White people into a lovable kid’s movie star?
And what about “Snoop Dogg”, another WME “artist”? He’s also a member of Louis Farrakhan’s hate Whitey cult. And that’s just the beginning. I won’t even try to list all his songs about killing “niggas” and cops; you can look them up if you want. A few years ago he told Rolling Stone magazine that in 2003, ten years after hitting the big time and making tens of millions of dollars, he was actually running a string of hookers, because he loved the real pimp lifestyle. He wasn’t some wannabe who just rapped about running prostitutes; he actually did it.
Snoop claimed in a 2006 interview with Rolling Stone magazine that unlike other hip hop artists who’ve superficially adopted the pimp persona, he was an actual professional pimp in 2003 and 2004, saying “That sh*t was my natural calling and once I got involved with it, it became fun. It was like shootin’ layups for me. I was makin’ ‘em every time.” He goes on to say that upon the advice of some of the other pimps he knew, he eventually gave up pimping to spend more time with his family.
He often wears Pittsburgh Steelers jerseys and caps. That’s because he’s a fan of the Rollin’ 20s Crips, a murderous Los Angeles gang.
In 1993, as his career was just taking off, he was charged with murder. He was driving the vehicle from which his bodyguard shot and killed a man. They claimed self defense, and an “urban” jury acquitted both of them, just as another one would let OJ walk a few years later.
And this guy presents no ethical problems from Ari Emanuel and the rest of the Hollywood crowd, but Mel Gibson is beyond the pale because he said one naughty word?
You can believe that if you want, but anyone who’s not completely brain dead knows that this isn’t about “the N word.” 
Now here’s where some idiot will chime in that it’s different, and I’m comparing apples and oranges, because Mel Gibson is White, so he’s not allowed to use that word, but black people are, and it’s fine for them to record song after song about killing White people because that’s “art.”
Really? Then how come there are no skinhead bands signed to big Hollywood labels, being represented by the William Morris agency, if songs about killing members of a racial group are “art”? 
And it’s BS to claim that black people are allowed to use the “N word”, but White people aren’t. 
And tell it to Charlie Sheen. He’s another actor who’s also represented by the William Morris Endeavor agency. He’s the star of one of the most popular shows on TV, Two and a Half Men, which he’s been starring in since 2003.
In 2005, Charlie Sheen left this message on his ex-wife’s answering machine:
Yea, I just got your other email and I am a little confused because you told me that was something you only told a couple of people, and this and that, and I just, again you continue to be deceitful and mischievous and sneaky, and you’re a f***ing liar. Okay. You’re a f***ing liar. So, you know what it’s like, f*** you. Okay, I hope you rot in f***ing hell. You’re a piece of sh*t f***ing liar and I hope you f***ing rot in hell. So f*** you. I hope I never f***ing talk to you again you f***ing c**t. F*** you. You’re a coward and a liar and a f***ing nigger alright, so f*** you.
Now, granted, Ari Emanuel wasn’t the head of the agency back in 2005. But he’s the head of the agency now. Has he fired Charlie Sheen because “we can’t represent a guy who said the N word’? Uh, no. In fact, the William Morris Endeavor agency just negotiated a huge new contract for Sheen which pays him nearly $2 million an episode.
But Charlie Sheen never made a movie glorifying Jesus Christ.
That’s why they’re going after Mel Gibson. I told you I’d prove it, and I did. Ari Emanuel’s agency has lots of performers who use the “N word”, including the very White Charlie Sheen.
Their hatred of Mel Gibson has nothing to do with the naughty word he said.
They hate Mel because he made a film about Jesus Christ, and they despise Jesus Christ. That’s why they put him through hell back in 2003 and 2004, calling him all sort of vile names, accusing him of all kinds of despicable motives and schemes, sending cops out to screen the movie for hate crime violations, using elected officials to intimidate studios into not touching the movie, and demanding that the US Attorney General lock Mel up for making the movie.

Ari Emanuel is scum. He’s not worthy to even be in the same room as Mel Gibson. His father was a terrorist. He was part of the terrorist group that blew up a hotel killing 91 people. But because some terrorists are more equal than others, he was allowed into the United States where he became a doctor, and his wife became a “civil rights activist.” His son now heads up the most powerful agency in Hollywood, and one of his other sons, Rahm, is a high advisor to the president who gives orders to the figurehead Barack Obama. 
But scum like the Emanuel’s are in charge now. ...

ugliness all around when relationships end....Mel Gibson is no better or worse here than 96% of the planet....he just picked the wrong enemies....

nankerphelge wrote on Jul 14^th, 2010 at 9:42am:


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Exactly what I was trying to say. I am not sure Honky Tonk Man actually "heard" the tape of Baldwin. If he did he may change his tune. It wasn't so much what Baldwin said it was how he was saying it.  Your right in he was being a total prick head to his daughter (regardless of what she did or the situation... what kind of example was he setting? Parents should not act in this manner when around their kids). He a sounded pretty strange and screwy to be counseling or reprimanding his daughter...

Then he bounces back like nothing and he is out there acting like he's the distinguished nice guy that he always was and nobody really made too much a big deal over the incident. I think, in part because they didn't actually hear the tape. Don't get me wrong, he could of said much worse, but still he sounded kooky to be talking to his young daughter like that.

Ian

This is a travesty!

...of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham...do you realize there is not one homosexual on that jury?