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Jul 8th, 2010 at 5:44pm
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In a few hours a verdict is going to be read in LA, CA... regardless of the decision, there will most likely be a riot in Oakland, and people will be talking about drug addicted anarchists and rapper thugs ect... my thoughts and prayers are that this doesn't happen or at least isn't severe... it's lame and pointless and doesn't repesent the thousand of cool motherfuckers who live there...
what's really lame, is the media will not say a peep until the shit hits the fan, because peaceful streets are boring....



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Reply #1 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 5:47pm
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Help us out - what criminal case is this?

If there's a riot in America...there ought to be a Stones concert going on during.
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Reply #2 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 5:54pm
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Help us out - what criminal case is this?

If there's a riot in America...there ought to be a Stones concert going on during.



my bad, just added the link above... my point is, the case has become secondary to peoples desire to just go out and fuck shit up...
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Reply #4 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 7:10pm
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Your jumping the gun Pdog.No pun intended. I've been listening to news coverage of the events since the verdict was read, All is peaceful so far. Let's hope it stays that way and give people the benefit of the doubt. Needless to say however,the majority of the community in Oakland is not happy and does not agree with the verdict. But the city has been preparing for this very,very carefully.
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Reply #5 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 7:36pm
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sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jul 8th, 2010 at 7:10pm:
Your jumping the gun Pdog.No pun intended. I've been listening to news coverage of the events since the verdict was read, All is peaceful so far. Let's hope it stays that way and give people the benefit of the doubt. Needless to say however,the majority of the community in Oakland is not happy and does not agree with the verdict. But the city has been preparing for this very,very carefully.



a gun pun... there's already been riots and more threats of violence that will be the usual lglass breaking, lighting mail boxes on fire...

07-08) 17:22 PDT LOS ANGELES -- A jury found former BART police Officer Johannes Mehserle guilty today of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the New Year's Day 2009 shooting of an unarmed train rider, finding that he had acted with criminal negligence when he fired a single shot into Oscar Grant's back at the Fruitvale Station in Oakland.

The Los Angeles jury reached its verdict at 2:10 p.m. today, after 6 1/2 hours of deliberations that began Wednesday morning when an alternate juror was seated to replace a panel member who had gone on vacation.

Jurors were given four options when the original panel began deliberations Friday. They could have convicted Mehserle, 28, of second-degree murder, voluntary manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter, or they could have acquitted him.

The involuntary manslaughter verdict indicates that jurors concluded that Mehserle did not intend to kill the 22-year-old Grant but had been criminally negligent when he drew his gun. The former officer testified that he had mistaken the pistol for his Taser as he sought to subdue Grant following a fight on a BART train, a shooting that was captured on video by five other riders.

Mehserle, who had been free on bail, was remanded into custody and led away in handcuffs by bailiffs after the verdict was read. Dressed in a gray suit and blue shirt, he turned to family members sitting in the front row of the gallery, including his parents, and said softly, "I love you guys."

Members of Grant's family murmured in discontent as verdicts acquitting Mehserle of second-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter were read. There was little reaction from them when the former officer's conviction was announced.

But outside the court afterward, Oakland attorney John Burris, representing the family, said Grant's relatives were "extraordinarily disappointed" by what he called "a true compromise verdict."

"The system is rarely fair when a police officer shoots an African American male," Burris said. "No true justice has been given." Grant was African American and Mehserle is white.

Burris said the family believed the former officer should have been convicted of murder. "All have seen the video and understand the tragedy that has taken place," Burris said.

Grant's uncle Cephus Johnson said that "we knew from the beginning that we were at war with the system. ... We have been slapped in the face by this system that has denied us true justice."

Alameda County District Attorney Nancy O'Malley, speaking at a news conference in Oakland, said she was disappointed and frustrated by the verdict. "We believe Johannes Mehserle was guilty of the crime of murder," she said. "We presented the case that way, we presented the evidence that way, and the jury found otherwise."

Jurors left the downtown Los Angeles courthouse without commenting.

In addition to involuntary manslaughter, the jury found that Mehserle had used a gun during the crime. O'Malley cited that finding as an indication that jurors did not believe Mehserle's story that he had thought he was pulling his Taser.

Mehserle's possible sentence for involuntary manslaughter is two, three or four years, plus three, four or 10 years for using a gun. That means the minimum total sentence that Judge Robert Perry could impose would be five years, and the maximum would be 14 years.

Sentencing was set for Aug. 6. O'Malley would not say what sentence she will seek.

Mehserle's attorney, Michael Rains, could argue for probation, with no prison time. California law requires an increased prison sentence for using a gun during a felony, but it is not clear whether that law overrides another statute that allows probation for manslaughter in unusual cases.

Security was heavy in the courtroom as the jury filed in just after 4 p.m. Mehserle had entered a few minutes before, looking shaken and nervous. Grant's mother, Wanda Johnson, was in the second row of the gallery, her head bowed in apparent prayer.

When the "not guilty" verdict was read to the second-degree murder charge, Mehserle's father, Todd Mehserle, began to sob. One of the jurors also dabbed at her eyes.

Mehserle's shooting of Grant was witnessed by dozens of New Year's revelers, most of whom were on their way home from a fireworks show in San Francisco. It prompted a series of protests, including one that mushroomed into a riot in downtown Oakland.

Alameda County prosecutor David Stein said during the trial that Mehserle had "lost all control" of his emotions and shot Grant intentionally in the back after briefly trying to handcuff him. Grant, who had a young daughter, was unarmed and on his chest.

Taking the stand near the end of the trial, Mehserle testified that he had decided to use his Taser on Grant because he saw Grant put his right hand in his pants pocket and believed the Hayward man might be reaching for a gun.

Mehserle said he had accidentally pulled out his pistol and fired a single shot before realizing he had grabbed the wrong weapon.

Mehserle's Taser was positioned to the left of his belt buckle. The right-handed officer's gun was on his right hip.

Grant had been detained at about 2 a.m., along with four friends, for fighting on a Dublin-Pleasanton train. He and a second man were soon placed under arrest by then-BART Officer Anthony Pirone, who said they had resisted him. Stein, the prosecutor, argued that the arrest itself was unlawful because Grant had cooperated.

Video footage played repeatedly in court showed that as Mehserle raised his gun, Pirone had his left knee on Grant's neck. Pirone's left hand was pressing Grant's head into the platform, and Pirone's right hand was holding Grant's right arm - the same one Mehserle said he had struggled with - behind his back.

The shooting brought on a tumultuous period at BART, which has a full-service police force of about 200 officers. Police Chief Gary Gee retired late last year, and outside auditors criticized the transit agency for the way it trained, supervised and disciplined cops.

Mehserle resigned soon after the shooting and never spoke with BART internal affairs investigators.

Pirone and his partner the night of the shooting, Marysol Domenici, were fired earlier this year by BART - Pirone for his actions on the train platform and Domenici for the way she reported the incident to investigators.

BART agreed in January to pay $1.5 million in a civil settlement to Grant's daughter, Tatiana Grant, who is now 6. Grant's mother and several of his friends who were with him when he was shot still have pending lawsuits.

The trial was moved to Los Angeles in part because of the tensions the killing caused in the East Bay. Some community leaders, activists and others believe the shooting underscored a larger problem of police officers abusing people of color with little accountability.

There were no African Americans on the jury that convicted Mehserle of involuntary manslaughter. Seven jurors identified themselves as white, three identified themselves as Latino and one identified herself as Asian. One juror declined to state a race or ethnicity.

Many police officers around the state also followed the trial, with some expressing concern that a fellow officer could go to prison for making a mistake under pressure.

The defense put much of the blame for the shooting on poor training at BART - particularly Taser training, which Mehserle received a month before the shooting - and on the character of Grant, a parolee who had spent time in prison.

Rains, the defense attorney, argued that Grant never stopped resisting Mehserle's efforts to handcuff him before he was shot.

The case marked the first murder prosecution of an on-duty Bay Area police officer. Prosecutors rarely file charges against police for shootings. A Chronicle review of police use-of-force cases around the country found just six cases in the past 15 years - not including the BART shooting - in which murder charges had been filed.

The cases, involving a total of 13 officers, typically resulted in large civil payouts to victims' relatives. However, none of the officers was convicted of murder and most were acquitted or cleared altogether. One pleaded no contest to manslaughter and got three years in prison.



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Reply #6 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 7:42pm
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Be warned, this is graphic and may disturb you...
murder or manslaughter, you decide?
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and after this happened, the shooter fled to Nevada and had to be extradited back to CA.
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Reply #8 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 8:04pm
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Reply #9 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 10:06pm
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Again Pdog. Your initial reaction and the title of this thread are greatly exaggerated. I live here. I have a pretty good fucking idea what's going on. As opposed to being 2000 miles away. Things remain peaceful. Their are demonstrations in Oakland. Some blocking of traffic. But nothing more serious than that. When the sun goes down,their is always the danger of things changing. But the local authorities do seem to have a good handle on things at the moment.
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Reply #10 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 11:34pm
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Pdog wrote on Jul 8th, 2010 at 8:04pm:
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You can feel the tension watching this live feed. I lived out there during the Rodney King riots.
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Reply #11 - Jul 9th, 2010 at 12:26am
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Bingo wrote on Jul 8th, 2010 at 11:34pm:
Pdog wrote on Jul 8th, 2010 at 8:04pm:
live SF feed, if anyone wants current breaking news.

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You can feel the tension watching this live feed. I lived out there during the Rodney King riots.

1 significant differerance in this case however. No Riots.  As calm as things could be under the circumstances. Appears to be holding. So again Dog your headline on this thread is way off base.
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Reply #12 - Jul 9th, 2010 at 7:01am
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sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jul 9th, 2010 at 12:26am:
Bingo wrote on Jul 8th, 2010 at 11:34pm:
Pdog wrote on Jul 8th, 2010 at 8:04pm:
live SF feed, if anyone wants current breaking news.

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You can feel the tension watching this live feed. I lived out there during the Rodney King riots.

1 significant differerance in this case however. No Riots.  As calm as things could be under the circumstances. Appears to be holding. So again Dog your headline on this thread is way off base.


sorry you dissaprove, but there were riots already over this murder, and people were calling for a riot in advance... i think my words spoke to how i feel, i have family and friends living in oakland.
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Reply #13 - Jul 9th, 2010 at 9:18am
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There was some rioting, but nothing like it could have been at least...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/07/bart-verdict-scores-arrested-in-oa...

I think manslaughter was the correct verdict, you're looking at poor training and ultimately a really tragic mistake on the part of Mehserle.  But I hope he gets a solid prison sentence so a message of accountability can be sent to the police in this country.
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Reply #14 - Jul 9th, 2010 at 9:47am
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Pdog wrote on Jul 9th, 2010 at 7:01am:
sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jul 9th, 2010 at 12:26am:
Bingo wrote on Jul 8th, 2010 at 11:34pm:
Pdog wrote on Jul 8th, 2010 at 8:04pm:
live SF feed, if anyone wants current breaking news.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6498350



You can feel the tension watching this live feed. I lived out there during the Rodney King riots.

1 significant differerance in this case however. No Riots.  As calm as things could be under the circumstances. Appears to be holding. So again Dog your headline on this thread is way off base.


sorry you dissaprove, but there were riots already over this murder, and people were calling for a riot in advance... i think my words spoke to how i feel, i have family and friends living in oakland.

OK man.Yeah I know they rioted before. That's why they were so prepared this time. Fortunately,everybody appealed for calm and for the most part it prevailed. We'll see if it holds. Osacar Grant's family is now calling for federal civil rights charges against Mehserle. But for the record I happen to agree with the verdict. I think he panicked in the heat of the moment and made the wrong decision.But no matter how much time he does in jail,his life is basicly over as well.

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i disagree with involuntarily... as far as the verdict... just based on all the testimony, video and that he fled after... the real shit has yet to come, the sentence. this may very well be the most justice in a case like this, regarding law enforcemnt being charged with crimes against blacks...
I am curious, why you think the officer even needed a taser, there was no resistance, the victim was being cuffed and his neck had a leg on it, and the killer was on the victims back... if the victim had a weapon, there was no way it could be used and a taser wouldn't have been what a police officer would go for... the victim never resisted, the cops were very agressive, and if a perosn is afraid or scared of cops, they dsoesn't give the police the right to use excessive force. Bad training is not a defense for a person murdering someone... I'm glad my friends and family are safe. For what it is worth, everyone I know back in the bay, is pretty pissed at the verdict... somewhat relieved there wasn't an acquital, but still not enough, and I agree... I'm a bit prejudiced, because I have been on the recieving end of angry cops abusing power... and with that said, I have many friends and family in law enforcment who I love and respect... I do have alot of compassion and understanding... with great power comes great responsibilty.
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That's the thing, in my opinion the verdict [voluntary vs. involuntary] itself is less important in this case than the actual sentence he is given, that's where any message will come through loud and clear. 

It's not crystal clear in the videos [and, trust me, I've studied this case a great deal] what Grant was doing exactly while he was down on the ground.  But if Mehserle had actually used his taser instead of his gun, obviously we wouldn't be talking about it right now.  I think what the Mehserle case is part of is a larger, more recent phenomenon regarding the use of tasers -- where police were once "trigger happy", now a strong case can be made that they've become "taser happy".  And just as with deadly force, we're eventually going to start to see a lot stricter regulations related to using the taser. 

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When the sentence is passed down, things really have the potential to get ugly. The max he can get on the involuntary manslaughter and gun charges is 16 years. If he doesn't get the max. . .look out!
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"Their verdict suggests they believed Mehserle when he testified that he had mistaken his pistol for his Taser"

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When the sentence is passed down, things really have the potential to get ugly. The max he can get on the involuntary manslaughter and gun charges is 16 years. If he doesn't get the max. . .look out!
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Yes, and why I started this thread before the verdict, not to mention the sentencing... I know alot of my friends back in Oakland were really worried last night.
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I for one can not wait to hear what riffy has to say on the topic.
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Starbuck wrote on Jul 9th, 2010 at 5:23pm:
I for one can not wait to hear what riffy has to say on the topic.


He would probably say, the white cop was trying to act like a native of Oakland and failed horribly showing how really white he is, being the white guy he is, he shot the guy to appear to not be a white guy from Nebraska or Canada or some other place where white people live, then he went Nevada and played rap music until a local showed up to sell him crack, while wearing white face.

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Starbuck wrote on Jul 9th, 2010 at 5:23pm:
I for one can not wait to hear what riffy has to say on the topic.


I'd guess Riffy would be talking about the time he went to vacation in Oakland but actual stayed in Piedmont. He'd tell you that he had tried to convince the people in Oakland that he had a lot more in common with them and that they shouldn't hold it against him for staying in a gated community. He'd tell the people in Jersey that he he really got to know the people of Oakland even though he never set foot outside of Piedmont. Just my guess. . . .  Wink
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monkey_man wrote on Jul 9th, 2010 at 6:03pm:
Starbuck wrote on Jul 9th, 2010 at 5:23pm:
I for one can not wait to hear what riffy has to say on the topic.


I'd guess Riffy would be talking about the time he went to vacation in Oakland but actual stayed in Piedmont. He'd tell you that he had tried to convince the people in Oakland that he had a lot more in common with them and that they shouldn't hold it against him for staying in a gated community. He'd tell the people in Jersey that he he really got to know the people of Oakland even though he never set foot outside of Piedmont. Just my guess. . . .  Wink


you made the post I wanted to make... ahaha. i just tinkled a little...
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monkey_man wrote on Jul 9th, 2010 at 6:03pm:
Starbuck wrote on Jul 9th, 2010 at 5:23pm:
I for one can not wait to hear what riffy has to say on the topic.


I'd guess Riffy would be talking about the time he went to vacation in Oakland but actual stayed in Piedmont. He'd tell you that he had tried to convince the people in Oakland that he had a lot more in common with them and that they shouldn't hold it against him for staying in a gated community. He'd tell the people in Jersey that he he really got to know the people of Oakland even though he never set foot outside of Piedmont. Just my guess. . . .  Wink


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