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Re: So is Ronnie in or out of the band or what?
Reply #26 - Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 2:02am

WaiteringOnAFiend wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 12:56am:

No doubt they're all musing, tuning, stumbling, grumbling, humbling themselves, being saucy, sorting business, counting shillings, tidying their closets, pumping their peckers afresh, all in preparation for a (2011)-2012-(2013) Stoonzle Phenomenon.
It will be gor-geous.

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Interestingly put . . . really?

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Re: So is Ronnie in or out of the band or what?
Reply #27 - Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 3:13am

I'm amazed at how some on this board think Stu was an official member of the band

and Ronnie Wood isn't right now??

Lets try it again boys and girls:

1. No Ian Stewart wasn't an official member of the band The Rolling Stones (from 1963 and onward).

2. Yes Ronnie Wood was, and is... (finally in 1989 The Stones gave him all access besides just the title).

It's really not that hard to open your eyes to..

-nuff said.

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Re: So is Ronnie in or out of the band or what?
Reply #28 - Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 7:22am

Ian Billen wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 3:13am:

I'm amazed at how some on this board think Stu was an official member of the band

and Ronnie Wood isn't right now??

Lets try it again boys and girls:

1. No Ian Stewart wasn't an official member of the band The Rolling Stones (from 1963 and onward).

2. Yes Ronnie Wood was, and is... (finally in 1989 The Stones gave him all access besides just the title).

It's really not that hard to open your eyes to..

-nuff said.

Ian Billen

Ian after 45 plus years following this band I don't need a history lesson. I personally choose to consider Stu a member even though he never was. Can you handle that? As far as Ronnie well of course he is in and will be for some time and the thread only questioned his future status not the past. Why don't you stick to your incessant "are they" recording thread fantasies?

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Re: So is Ronnie in or out of the band or what?
Reply #29 - Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 11:12am

Gazza wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 5:21pm:

Edith Grove wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 12:08pm:

Gazza wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 10:57am:

gimmekeef wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 8:57am:

Gazza wrote on Jul 1^st, 2010 at 5:56pm:

steel driving hammer wrote on Jul 1^st, 2010 at 11:45am:

I know you don't just "leave" the Stones alive...

Er..you do. No band member has ever died while still a Stone. Unless you count Stu.

Of course Stu needs to count! his departure imo spead up the decline and he is missed more than many realize.

Absolutely agree on that bit - although as far as being an official band member, he unfortunately wasnt...

Exactly how is "official band member" defined, as it pertains to the Stones?

I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but I'm thinking that Stu's high regard by the Glimmers, etc., probably had him on a payroll, and we know that he supported the Stones on stage and off, up until his death.

Even though you didn't see Stu on album covers, concert posters, etc., I believe the Stones considered him a band member.

Just my opinion. stu-smiling

Not party to signing band contracts, not a board member, not given a vote on band decisions, not given the same % as the other members. Four ways of evaluating whether someone is a 'band member' or not.

the fact that they kept him not only on the payroll but gave him more of an exalted status for the rest of his life obviously indicates a lot of love and loyalty (although there wasnt much loyalty shown to him in 1963) and he's the only real candidate for the "Sixth Stone" status, but that still didnt make him a band member in the true sense of the word as far as the rest of them were concerned.

sad too, that it was beased on his looks and not his abilty... somehow, he rose above it... many, many musicians would've not played with them, been bitter and thought emotionally and not looking at the oppurtunity to have steady work, or possibilty of... since at the time, he would have no way of knowing this job would last for his life... Stu was a good guy and a smart guy and he also never held any visible resentments about these choices and decisions... a sign of his great character.

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Re: So is Ronnie in or out of the band or what?
Reply #30 - Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 3:57pm

Ian Billen wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 3:13am:

I'm amazed at how some on this board think Stu was an official member of the band

and Ronnie Wood isn't right now??

Lets try it again boys and girls:

1. No Ian Stewart wasn't an official member of the band The Rolling Stones (from 1963 and onward).

2. Yes Ronnie Wood was, and is... (finally in 1989 The Stones gave him all access besides just the title).

It's really not that hard to open your eyes to..

-nuff said.

Ian Billen

Not quite correct. Ronnie is a band member in the sense that he gets equal status for touring and record releases etc (this was not the case until the early 90s because when he joined in 1976 he chose to take a salary instead of a percentage, presumably thinking like most people that the band wouldnt be around for decades to come) - but when it comes to the rights to the band name, royalties in the event of the death of any of the band members, its a different matter.

This all comes under the umbrella group Promogroup BV - the shareholder of Promogroup BV is a foundation called Stichting Administratiekantoor Herengracht Amsterdam. The only three chairmen of this foundation are Mick Jagger, Keith Richards and Charlie Watts.

There are various other sub-companies such as Promotone, Promotour, Promopub, Promotone, Musidor etc - in which all four band members are CEO's - these companies deal with things like publishing (Promopub, although obviously most publishing goes to Mick and Keith), copyright issues (Musidor) etc.

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Re: So is Ronnie in or out of the band or what?
Reply #31 - Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 4:18pm

Gazza wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 3:57pm:

Ian Billen wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 3:13am:

I'm amazed at how some on this board think Stu was an official member of the band

and Ronnie Wood isn't right now??

Lets try it again boys and girls:

1. No Ian Stewart wasn't an official member of the band The Rolling Stones (from 1963 and onward).

2. Yes Ronnie Wood was, and is... (finally in 1989 The Stones gave him all access besides just the title).

It's really not that hard to open your eyes to..

-nuff said.

Ian Billen

Not quite correct. Ronnie is a band member in the sense that he gets equal status for touring and record releases etc (this was not the case until the early 90s because when he joined in 1976 he chose to take a salary instead of a percentage, presumably thinking like most people that the band wouldnt be around for decades to come) - but when it comes to the rights to the band name, royalties in the event of the death of any of the band members, its a different matter.

This all comes under the umbrella group Promogroup BV - the shareholder of Promogroup BV is a foundation called Stichting Administratiekantoor Herengracht Amsterdam. The only three chairmen of this foundation are Mick Jagger, Keith Richards and Charlie Watts.

There are various other sub-companies such as Promotone, Promotour, Promopub, Promotone, Musidor etc - in which all four band members are CEO's - these companies deal with things like publishing (Promopub, although obviously most publishing goes to Mick and Keith), copyright issues (Musidor) etc.

the business end of it, makes my rock n roll erection go away...

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steel driving hammer Ex Member	Re: So is Ronnie in or out of the band or what? Reply #34 - Jul 11^th, 2010 at 1:28pm I know they'll all get together and call themselves The Rolling Stones again...
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Re: So is Ronnie in or out of the band or what?
Reply #35 - Jul 11^th, 2010 at 5:46pm

Yeah Ronnie is still in the band ~ but MICK did warn him to sober up. So if he follows MICK's orders he will remain with the band, but if Ronnie fvcks up, MICK will put the band ahead of Ronnie, any day of the week. There's no great loyalty there. So far Ronnie is managing to make a good impression of sobering up, but we all know how quickly and drastically that can change. So I would say the ultimatum has been given to Ronnie and yes, he chose to stay sober and keep his job!

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