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Buying concert tickets has gone high tech
Fans need a calculator, computer and high-speed Internet connection to compute concert ticket options and prices

BY GEORGE VARGA, POP MUSIC CRITIC
SUNDAY, JUNE 20, 2010 AT 12:02 A.M.


Ins and outs for best buys

What are the best ways to get the best tickets for pop-music concerts that sometimes seem to sell out in a matter of minutes?

The answer can vary from tour to tour, artist to artist and venue to venue, but these are some methods worth considering. (We have opted not to include ticket resale agencies or such websites as StubHub, which require fans to bid for tickets that are being resold at higher prices.)

FAN CLUBS

Joining an artist’s fan club — whether it’s Miley Cyrus, Pearl Jam or San Diego’s blink-182cq — can pay off big. Fan club members often have access to buy presale tickets at face value, ahead of the general public, giving them access to some of the best seats and fewer people to compete with to get them. Some fan club memberships are free, but most acts (including U2, AC/DC and the Jonas Brothers) charge annual dues.

CREDIT CARDS

Sure, you can pay for your tickets with credit or debit cards (and you have no other option if you’re buying them online). But American Express and Citibank often sponsor entire tours by major artists, the better to offer cardholders access to presale tickets and periodic special offer discounts. Last week, j11American Express was offering presale tickets to several Midwestern dates on Paul McCartney’s summer tour, at prices ranging from $58.50 to $250, five days before they went on sale to the general public. American Express was also recently offering presale tickets for acts as varied as Arcade Fire, Aerosmith and The Eagles.

VIP PACKAGES

If money really is no object, McCartney fans can buy a Front Row Packagecq for $2,000 per person, a Hot Sound Package cq($1,500) or a Gold Hot Seat Packagecq ($550). Dutch classical-schlock violinist Andre Rieu, who performs Dec. 1 at the San Diego Sports Arena, has VIP packages that cost $1,500 each and include the opportunity to meet him at a post-show dinner. VIP packages for teen-pop idol Justin Bieber’s Oct 30 Sports Arena show are a comparatively reasonable $359.50 each, but do not include any face time with Bieber or his carefully coifed head of hair. Among the companies offering VIP packages are I Love All Access, Musictodaycq and SLO,cq which are all owned by Live Nation.

VENUE MEMBERSHIPS

Cricket Wireless Amphitheatre and the San Diego Sports Arena both offer annual membership packages that provide exclusive ticket-ordering privileges for prime seats and an array of VIP amenities that range from premium parking and a private entrance to VIP club access at the two venues. For concerts at Cricket, San Diego’s largest outdoor music venue, there are box-seat packages (which include personal drink and food service at your seats) and season ticket packages (which do not). The price is on a sliding scale, depending on how many concerts you opt to buy tickets for, from $1500 for a ticket to five upcoming Cricket concerts, to $3,000 for 18 upcoming shows at the venue. For concerts at the Sports Arena, San Diego’s largest indoor concert venue, music fans of means can pay $2,450 each to be Club 3500 members. Membership enables you to buy four tickets, usually in the loge section near the stage, for every Sports Arena event. You also get access to the arena’s private new Club 3500, which opened last October.

NEWSLETTERS AND E-MAIL BLASTS

By signing up for the free Arena Connection Newslettercq (sandiegoarena.com), you can get advance information about new shows at the Sports Arena and concert on-sale dates. Some other local venues also have free mailing lists. The website justmyticket.com, which operates in cities nationwide, lets you become a member for free and offers as much as 50 percent off tickets for various events.

PROCRASTINATE

Seriously. By waiting until the last minute, you can sometimes get prime seats at no extra charge that are quietly released for sale the day of a show (sometimes, just minutes before starting time). But act quickly. For a short while on June 10, Ticketmaster offered a limited number of tickets for Sting’s June 11 concert in Denver — for 75 centscq each — “for friends and family.” Exactly whose friends and family remains unclear. But the Ticketmaster link and password for these bargain basement tickets were quickly posted and shared on phishhook.com,cq a Web site frequented by fans of the band Phish,cq and at least some acted quickly enough before all of the 75 cent tickets were snapped up.

SHARE (OR BUY) PASSWORDS

Most fan clubs provide each member with unique passwords to buy tickets that can only be used by them. But credit card companies, tour sponsors and individual venues sometimes send their customers passwords that can be shared. For a fee, the website presalepassword.com (favored by ticket brokers) compiles passwords for concerts across the nation, including an upcoming San Diego show by the French band Phoenixcq at the SDSU Open Air Theatre.

GET A ROOM

To get center section seats in the first four rows at Humphrey’s Concerts by the Bay, you’ll need to pay for an overnight stay at the adjacent Half Moon Inn & Suites. The price, which can rise as high as $599 per couple, is steep, but there are lots of takers. “We have 31 overnight packages per show, and we sell 75 percent of them,” said Bobbi Brieske,cq Humphrey’s veteran concert manager. Too pricey? Dinner packages ($98-$129 per person) will get you center seats in rows 5-7 and seats in rows 1-7 on the sides. “We sell 95 precent of those,” Brieske noted.

-- GEORGE VARGA

Back in olden times — you know, the early 1990s — buying concert tickets to see your favorite pop-music artist was a fairly simple process.

You bought your ticket in advance — first come, first served — or at the door the night of the show (assuming it hadn’t sold out). The price for tickets at the front of the venue, the rear and points in between was usually the same, or very close in price. That made things easy for most music fans, especially in the summer, when the outdoor concert season traditionally heats up and the number of performances taking place each week can easily double or triple.

Not so today, when all but the most mathematically gifted may require a calculator, a computer and a high-speed Internet connection to figure out the dizzying array of ticket-buying options and the similarly broad range of prices. To cite one recent example, when tickets went on sale earlier this year for Sting’s summer tour — which included a June 13 concert at Cricket Wireless Amphitheatre in Chula Vista — four different presales took place before the general public got a crack at buying seats.

American Express card members could buy tickets, at face value ($32.35-$153.75), between March 3 and March 9. Premium Ticket Packages, which cost $175 more than the face value of each ticket, were available March 3 and March 10, while two different Sting fan club ticket options went on sale from March 10 to March 12. Tickets for the general public didn’t go on sale until March 15. Since then, tickets for Sting’s concert have been resold by fans, ticket resale agencies and scalpers (although there is often a fine line between the last two).

All these different ticket-buying options and prices might seem dizzying to a casual music fan who doesn’t have a background in accounting, especially as the prices for the best tickets continue to soar to record highs. But these myriad options qualify as business as usual for a live-music industry that is increasingly seeking to maximize profits — and for those avid concertgoers for whom money is no object to secure the best seats at any cost.

“There are so many different options now, in terms of where and when to get tickets these days, and I use a lot of them depending on the concert,” said Jeff Grossman, who is the president and CEO of San Diego’s Caps and Tabs Inc., which manufactures nutritional supplements.

To ensure he has the best shot at getting choice tickets, Grossman uses a number of resources, including his American Express and Citibank credit cards and his membership in the San Diego Sports Arena’s Club 3500. In addition, he is a member of the San Diego Padres’ Founders Club, which includes season tickets for dugout seating at Petco Park. This in turn enabled him to buy sixth-row tickets for Madonna’s 2008 Petco concert and onstage tickets for the Rolling Stones’ 2005 Petco show.

“I’ve also used the Web site charityfolks.com , which offers a ‘once in a lifetime experience’ where you get front-row seats and get to meet the artists,” Grossman said. “I did that for the MTV Video Music Awards a few years ago and, yes, it was expensive. Other ticket opportunities come by invitation through my American Express Centurion card membership, which is how I got my Grammy Award tickets this year. It does get confusing, because there are so many choices for getting tickets now.”

The constantly growing number of options for ticket buyers is both a concern and a boon for Bill Silva, who is the manager of Grammy Award-winning Oceanside troubadour Jason Mraz.

Silva, who used to manage top pop-punk band blink-182, was San Diego’s leading locally based concert promoter for much of the 1980s and 1990s For the past two decades, he and his business partner, Andrew Hewitt, have exclusively booked pop-music concerts at the Hollywood Bowl, where this year they will stage the most concerts (24) they ever have in one season.

“I don’t particularly like doing multiple presales, because it gets confusing,” Silva said. “By the same token, working with American Express really helps us. They have a huge marketing budget that provides exposure in the market for the artists we present that we might not otherwise be able to have. So, we’re getting the message out to people better and more quickly. And the amount of business we do selling tickets through American Express alone is staggering. Sometimes we sell out half the Hollywood Bowl, which seats nearly 18,000, just through the various presales.”

American Express began offering special concert ticket access to its members in the nation’s largest markets in 1990, the same year Silva and Hewitt began booking shows at the Hollywood Bowl. In 1996, the company introduced ticket presale options for concerts in San Diego and is currently offering tickets for upcoming shows here: Andre Rieu, and a classic-rock double-bill of Peter Frampton and Yes, as well as the touring production of the TV show “Yo Gabba Gabba.”

“The concert ticket presales we offer are definitely very successful and are one of the benefits our card members know and love,” said Sarah Meron, an American Express Corporate Affairs representative in New York.

Grossman and Silva both sound nostalgic about the pre-Web days, when most concert tickets were usually uniformly priced for a show and fans lined up at the venue box offices or at ticket outlets in department stores and at Tower Records outlets. All that changed in 1994 when Pink Floyd launched a North American tour, which included a sold-out date at Jack Murphy (now Qualcomm) Stadium in Mission Valley.

“That was the first rock tour to have two distinctly different ticket prices — I think it was $40 and $60 — and there was absolutely no resistance from the public,” said Gary Bongiovanni, the publisher of Pollstar, the concert industry’s leading weekly trade publication.

“The Rolling Stones toured later that year and used the same model, with two ticket prices. Then, also in 1994, The Eagles did their ‘Hell Freezes Over’ reunion tour and dared to ask $100 per ticket, and they got it. If those three tours had failed, the concert world would be different now. But the public voted with their wallets and said that’s what they wanted. And now look where we are.”

George Varga: (619) 293-2253; [email protected] uniontrib.com/popoff

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/jun/20/hot-tickets/
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I don't have any actual figures...but w/ all these "pre-sales" happening simultaneously,

it seems that the majority of tickets are sold this way...

They should call it what it really is...it's not a pre-sale as much as a fact
that the rest of us slobs are lucky to be part of the "post-sale" process.
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Rock 'n' roll as we knew it is long dead - and those of us who still cling forlornly to it as some kind of ideal lost, unfortunately.

It was fun while it lasted - or as Dylan once said "sure was a good idea/'til greed got in the way'.

You're all welcome to it.

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Gazza wrote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 10:45am:
Rock 'n' roll as we knew it is long dead - and those of us who still cling forlornly to it as some kind of ideal lost, unfortunately.

It was fun while it lasted - or as Dylan once said "sure was a good idea/'til greed got in the way'.

You're all welcome to it.


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Gazza wrote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 10:45am:
Rock 'n' roll as we knew it is long dead - and those of us who still cling forlornly to it as some kind of ideal lost, unfortunately.

It was fun while it lasted - or as Dylan once said "sure was a good idea/'til greed got in the way'.

You're all welcome to it.



Hello you, hello me, hello people we used to be
Isn’t it strange, we never changed
We’ve been through it all yet we’re still the same
And I know it’s a miracle, we still go, and for all we know
We might still have a way to go
Hello me, hello you, you say you want out
Want to start anew, throw in your hand
Break up the band, start a new life, be a new man
But for all we know, we might still have a way to go
Before you go, there’s something you ought to know
There’s a guy in my block, he lives for rock
He plays records day and night
And when he feels down, he puts some rock ’n’ roll on
And it makes him feel alright
And when he feels the world is closing inHe turns his stereo way up high
He just spends his life, living in a rock ’n’ roll fantasy
He just spends his life, living on the edge of reality
He just spends his life, in a rock ’n’ roll fantasyHe just spends his life, living in a rock ’n’ roll fantasy
He just spends his life, living on the edge of reality
He just spends his life, in a rock ’n’ roll fantasy
He just spends his life, livingt in a rock ’n’ roll fantasy
Look at me, look at you
You say you’ve got nothing left to prove
The king is dead, rock is done
You might be through but I’ve just begun
I don’t know, I feel free and I won’t let go
Before you go, there’s something you ought to know
Dan is a fan and he lives for our music
It’s the only thing that gets him by
He’s watched us grow and he’s seen all our shows
He’s seen us low and he’s seen us high
Oh, but you and me keep thinkingThat the world’s just passing us by
Dont’ want to spend my life, living in a rock ’n’ roll fantasy
Don’t want to spend my life living on the edge of reality
Don’t want to waste my life, hiding away anymore
Don’t want to spend my life, living in a rock ’n’ roll fantasy...
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Down at the Astoria the scene was changing,
Bingo and rock were pushing out X-rating,
We were the first band to vomit in the bar,
And find the distance to the stage too far,
Meanwhile it's getting late at ten o'clock,
Rock is dead they say,
Long live rock.

Long live rock, I need it every night,
Long live rock, come on and join the line,
Long live rock, be it dead or alive.

People walk in sideways pretending that they're leaving,
We put on our makeup and work out all the lead-ins,
Jack is in the alley selling tickets made in Hong Kong,
Promoter's in the pay box wondering where the band's gone,
Back in the pub the governor stops the clock,
Rock is dead, they say,
Long live rock.

Long live rock, I need it every night,
Long live rock, come on and join the line,
Long live rock, be it dead or alive.

Landslide, rocks are falling,
Falling down 'round our very heads,
We tried but you were yawning,
Look again, rock is dead, rock is dead, rock is dead.

The place is really jumping to the high-watt amps,
'Til a 20-inch cymbal fell and cut the lamps,
In the blackout they dance right into the aisle,
And as the doors fly open even the promoter smiles,
Someone takes his pants off and the rafters knock,
Rock is dead, they say,
Long live rock, long live rock, long live rock.

Long live rock, long live rock, long live rock,
Long live rock, long live rock, long live rock.

Long live rock, I need it every night,
Long live rock, come on and join the line,
Long live rock, be it dead or alive.
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two very good who and kinks tunes... after the stones cancelled in AC, and I realized, I was only getting my ticket refunded, and not the extra rip off charges... I was done ever buying a ticket online again...  i'm pretty much done going to shows on a regular basis as well too... crwods suck, venues suck, bands don't give a fuck...
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Bon Jovi-Half Price


www.goldstar.com/events/east-rutherford-nj/bon-jovi-the-circle-tour.html

When do tickets go on sale?

That’s what customers ask today.  And they don’t mean the ON SALE date, they mean WHEN DO THE DISCOUNTS BEGIN!

If Bon Jovi is blowing out tickets in his own backyard, what are the odds of getting discount tickets to everybody else…SPECTACULAR!

Meanwhile, this isn’t an old beat-up venue, the Meadowlands is brand new, you’d think people would want to go.

But how many times can you see Bon Jovi?  Talk about burning out the audience…

Yes, the venue is large.

But the point is my inbox is overflowing with this offer.  That’s what the music industry does not understand, the sophistication of the audience.

If people can figure out how to steal music, and if you think three strikes laws are going to impact that significantly that just proves you’ve never stolen music and are clueless, do you think they can’t figure out the best time and best price to buy concert tickets?

SOLD OUT!

That’s almost never true anymore.  Just wait to the day of the gig.  If the act doesn’t start advertising, just show up at the venue, where scalpers who bought up inventory driving up the price are now trying to unload boatloads of tickets and will do so at far less than face value.

What is the value of a concert ticket?

Obviously not as much as the concert industry thinks it is.

Have they been offering BMWs at half price?  How about MacBooks… Ever get an offer for one for $300? Of course not.

We’ve now got a product with low demand, and like the department stores, we’re blowing it out.  And if you know anything  about department stores, the name might be the same, but the corporation is not. They all went bankrupt. It’s hard to compete with discounters.

So let me get this straight…

You’re supposed to get an AmEx and a Visa card, you’re supposed to become a member of the fan club so you can get an early crack at tickets.

Then the scraps are left for the general public, who pay face value when the big ad hits the newspaper.

Then, as the date of the show gets closer, Live Nation eliminates the service fees.

Then, when the date is really close, the promoter offers discounts through GoldStar and other entities.

Then there are e-mail campaigns where for a code you can get in for essentially nothing.

I don’t line up in advance to buy paper clips. Not milk either. These are commodities, readily available at a cheap price.

That seems to be what concert tickets have become.

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Reply #10 - Jun 22nd, 2010 at 7:50am
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This is a good site for tickets around St. Louis; fees are not as high as Tickermaster:

http://www.metrotix.com/

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Bob's presale for Kansas City is on right now and I tried at least 50 times to get in and could not EVER get in, not even once.  Fortunately, Chris was able to get in from work and he pulled 2 sets of tickets for us...the second set is in the 4th row.....first set is in the 8th row.  I'm sure to find someone to buy one of the sets, and NO I do not charge more than what I paid for them....I am no capitalist.  These presales are nerve making murder.  The whole thing is madness.  And it is a monkey show every time we buy reserved seats....but we usually make it in there somehow, for Bob's shows anyway.  This time it was sheer luck of the draw. 

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Well it's been an hour and a half and I STILL cannot get in.  If Chris hadn't lucked out I'd be LIVID by now.
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You can still buy tickets from Ticketmaster.  There are still a few outlets available. Not as many as there used to be, but you can still walk up to the counter and buy your tickets in person.  And, they hand them to you then and there.
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There's always the good old fashioned way ~ just show up at the venue night of the gig waving cash, there's always someone who couldnt make it and has an extra ticket for sale. Just beware in NYC there are people who make a living out of selling phony tix. You have to ask the person to walk you to the door. If they say yes its legit, if they wont do it, its a phony. You can tell by examining the ticket too, the ink is never clear on the bogus tickets. I always have luck getting a last minute ticket, because most people dont want to take a chance on going thru the trouble of getting there and than not getting in. So it could be a waste of time, but I'm always lucky, and usually pay below face value too!
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Other than Lady Ga Ga and maybe Macca, hardly anyone is selling out this year.

The last few years have been the best of my gig-going life and hardly any major concerts at all.

The free shows in the park this year have better lineups than the sheds!
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ijwthstd wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 9:26pm:
Other than Lady Ga Ga and maybe Macca, hardly anyone is selling out this year.

The last few years have been the best of my gig-going life and hardly any major concerts at all.

The free shows in the park this year have better lineups than the sheds!


U2 pretty much as the lock on the sold out stadium this summer...too bad for Bono's back and the insurance company
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When we drive 9 hours for a show we don't take the risk of not having a ticket ahead of time.  I could not do all that traveling and end up without a seat.  That WOULD be a bummer.  Smiley

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Martha wrote on Jun 28th, 2010 at 9:07am:
When we drive 9 hours for a show we don't take the risk of not having a ticket ahead of time.  I could not do all that traveling and end up without a seat.  That WOULD be a bummer.  Smiley

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Martha

Yeah that is risky. I only do it with local shows, and for me that includes NY, NJ & PA so there's always lots of shows and most dont sell out. I got a Carole King/James Taylor ticket for $20 last week outside the gate. There were still $40 seats for sale so I told the guy take $20 or I'll buy it from the window, so he grabbed the cash and I was in! Carole King was fabulous, better than James but they were both great.
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