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Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster
Reply #125 - May 25^th, 2010 at 10:32pm

Nellcote wrote on May 25^th, 2010 at 8:38pm:

Starbuck wrote on May 25^th, 2010 at 8:04pm:

Some Guy wrote on May 25^th, 2010 at 6:19pm:

Starbuck wrote on May 25^th, 2010 at 12:34pm:

i'm thinking about getting involved in this thread.

should i, or should i just go read some soft porn?

Riffy is looking for some drones to shred.

does riffy seriously think that barryo is worse than james buchanan? did i hear him say that? cause that is....well...#@!$ing ridiculous!

Well Buckofarve, he his blowing off a Gold Star breakfast for families of the fallen at the White House on Memorial Day. He is also blowing off the tradition of laying a wreath at Arlington National Cemetery. He's the commander and chief and some of the fallen died under his command by his orders. This so he can go to his house in Chicago. Could he do this another weekend?

Even worse. It took me an extra 5 minutes to get home tonight while I waited for him to pass by on his way into the city from SFO....Let's begin impeachment proceedings immediately. Blank Frigging Stare

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Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster
Reply #126 - May 26^th, 2010 at 12:43am

Nellcote wrote on May 25^th, 2010 at 8:38pm:

Starbuck wrote on May 25^th, 2010 at 8:04pm:

Some Guy wrote on May 25^th, 2010 at 6:19pm:

Starbuck wrote on May 25^th, 2010 at 12:34pm:

i'm thinking about getting involved in this thread.

should i, or should i just go read some soft porn?

Riffy is looking for some drones to shred.

does riffy seriously think that barryo is worse than james buchanan? did i hear him say that? cause that is....well...#@!$ing ridiculous!

Well Buckofarve, he his blowing off a Gold Star breakfast for families of the fallen at the White House on Memorial Day. He is also blowing off the tradition of laying a wreath at Arlington National Cemetery. He's the commander and chief and some of the fallen died under his command by his orders. This so he can go to his house in Chicago. Could he do this another weekend?

Didn't Dubya "blow off" the wreath tradition on at least one occasion? Ronald Raygun, too? I suppose Rush and Hannity didn't mention that.
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Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster
Reply #127 - May 26^th, 2010 at 1:00am

Riffhard wrote on May 25^th, 2010 at 12:17am:

Brainbell Jangler wrote on May 24^th, 2010 at 9:42pm:

There appears to be agreement that the private sector response is inadequate and that only government can solve the problem. The issue now is whether Rand Paul is right that Barack is too hard on Big Oil or whether Sarah Palin is right that Big Oil owns Barack. Oh yeah, perhaps they're both wrong (and bat-shit crazy to boot).

Spoken just like a "True Believer", BJ. You're probabaly right. The government should just run everything, and then we can live happily ever after. I mean everything that the federal government touches turns out great, right? Smiley

Eric Hoffer had your type pegged years ago. Ever read him?

It was William F. Buckley who famously said-

“I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University.”

Obummer is the ultimate Harvard leftwing arrogant ideological snobbish faculty member. He's screwing the pooch bigtime. It's best just to admit it and move on.

Meanwhile, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal is still waiting for the Obummer Admin. to do it's job. Barack's response? I gusss we'll know when spokesidiot Robert Gibbs tells us what it is!

"As thick oil flows into the sensitive marshes of the Louisiana coast, Gov. Bobby Jindal called on the White House and BP today to either stop the oil spill or get out of his way.

Gov. Bobby Jindal warns BP and the White House to help or get out of his way.Jindal is still waiting for the federal government to provide millions of feet in boom and to approve an emergency permit for a state plan to dredge and build new barrier islands to keep the oil from reaching the marshes and wetlands.

Jindal is so desperate for the islands, he's said he'll build them even if it sends him to jail.

"We've been frustrated with the disjointed effort to date that has too often meant too little, too late for the oil hitting our coast," Jindal said."

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-louisiana-governor-bobby-jindal-asks/story...

Pathetic!

Time to snap out of it, folks! You were duped. He's an ideological moron. He's an intellectual cul-de-sac, blinded by his radical views, and years of leftist propoganda. Truth hurts, I know, but there it is.

Riffy

The strawman cometh. I have never suggested that government can perform all tasks; though there are some tasks to which it is best suited (military defense, policing, firefighting, road building, education, health insurance, etc.). What I pointed out was the irony of you "government is the problem" Raygunauts bitching because Barack wasn't taking over from BP fast enough.

As for your all-too-familiar screed against the President, let's just say that the shit doesn't fall far from the bat. Informed commentators already place Barack among the most consequential Presidents such as FDR, LBJ and (yes) Ronald Reagan. You may not like it, Riffy, and inside your reactionary information cocoon it may even seem absurd; but out here in the real world, Barack Obama is well on his way to a big place in history--for the good.

You like playing the prediction game (despite your utter lack of success at it), so here's a few of mine: 1) Democrats will recapture the House seat in Hawaii in November; 2) Harry Reid wins re-election; 3) Scott Brown loses in the Republican primary in 2012 to a Douche Bagger (excuse me, Douche Partier); 4) Dems retain control of both Houses of Congress in November.

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Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster
Reply #130 - May 26^th, 2010 at 3:42pm

worst disaster short of a war or pandemic, or earthquake. it'll take mother earth years upon years to recover from this one.

anyone who drives a car is guilty.

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Edith Grove Rocks Off Regular Offline Disco STILL sucks! Posts: 12,336 New Orleans Gender:	Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Reply #133 - May 26^th, 2010 at 6:31pm Here's a link to a live video of the "top kill" process, not that you can really see anything: http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/view_live_video_feed_o...
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Some Guy Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 16,083 Atlanta Gender:	Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Reply #136 - May 27^th, 2010 at 7:45am The top kill didn't work?
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Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster
Reply #138 - May 27^th, 2010 at 8:45am

Critical Perspective

At BP's West Houston complex, there's a command center filled with personnel from around the industry working with BP engineers. Several drill ships are in place. Tons of workboats are on site. There are 5 or more ROVs roaming the wellhead monitoring and cleaning things up. They're already bumping into each other because they normally work solo while tied to a ship by a mile long umbilical cable. They don't need more ROVs down there adding to the traffic. All these efforts are reported heavily in the Houston Chronicle and nola.com, but doesn't seem to get much for national coverage. If you only monitor the national coverage, you'd think BP is going it alone while we all sit by, but the reality is this is an industry-wide effort because we all know what's at stake.

On having Obama "do more," WTF is he supposed to do? Everybody seems to be calling for more fire in his belly and scary, threatening speeches. What does that accomplish? It's like people want him to do a dramatic speech like post-9/11 about bringing the criminals to justice. It does nothing to actually plug the damn well. The government does not have the expertise to do more to stop this gusher. It's in BPs interest to stop the gusher. All the conspiracy theories about wanting to preserve the well for future production are technically wrong and ignore that NOBODY in the industry benefits from this gusher continuing. BP wants what everybody else wants, though I'll concede that I suspect dispersants are about killing life where it's less easily photographed. Dispersants aside, the only conflict of interest is regarding the causes of the blowout, not the capping of the well. Fed investigations are already taking care of that part.

On the pace, I'm pissed because I thought top kill should have been the first thing they tried after the ROVs failed to close the BOP. The reason for delay was partly because it looked like a war zone down there initially due to all the debris from a mile long riser coming down with the sinking of the Deepwater Horizon. So there was cleanup to make everything accessible. Also, one issue with the top kill is that it does have some risk of making the leak worse by eroding whatever blockages exist to limit the blowout rate. It could also overpressure the wellhead to open up new leaks upstream of the current ones. My guess is they wanted a better understanding on the chance of success before taking those risks.

Anyway, here we are. I'm hoping like hell 50 gpm is enough to get this done.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/05/critical_perspective.php?ref=f...

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Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster
Reply #139 - May 27^th, 2010 at 8:59am

fuman wrote on May 27^th, 2010 at 8:45am:

Critical Perspective

At BP's West Houston complex, there's a command center filled with personnel from around the industry working with BP engineers. Several drill ships are in place. Tons of workboats are on site. There are 5 or more ROVs roaming the wellhead monitoring and cleaning things up. They're already bumping into each other because they normally work solo while tied to a ship by a mile long umbilical cable. They don't need more ROVs down there adding to the traffic. All these efforts are reported heavily in the Houston Chronicle and nola.com, but doesn't seem to get much for national coverage. If you only monitor the national coverage, you'd think BP is going it alone while we all sit by, but the reality is this is an industry-wide effort because we all know what's at stake.

On having Obama "do more," WTF is he supposed to do? Everybody seems to be calling for more fire in his belly and scary, threatening speeches. What does that accomplish? It's like people want him to do a dramatic speech like post-9/11 about bringing the criminals to justice. It does nothing to actually plug the damn well. The government does not have the expertise to do more to stop this gusher. It's in BPs interest to stop the gusher. All the conspiracy theories about wanting to preserve the well for future production are technically wrong and ignore that NOBODY in the industry benefits from this gusher continuing. BP wants what everybody else wants, though I'll concede that I suspect dispersants are about killing life where it's less easily photographed. Dispersants aside, the only conflict of interest is regarding the causes of the blowout, not the capping of the well. Fed investigations are already taking care of that part.

On the pace, I'm pissed because I thought top kill should have been the first thing they tried after the ROVs failed to close the BOP. The reason for delay was partly because it looked like a war zone down there initially due to all the debris from a mile long riser coming down with the sinking of the Deepwater Horizon. So there was cleanup to make everything accessible. Also, one issue with the top kill is that it does have some risk of making the leak worse by eroding whatever blockages exist to limit the blowout rate. It could also overpressure the wellhead to open up new leaks upstream of the current ones. My guess is they wanted a better understanding on the chance of success before taking those risks.

Anyway, here we are. I'm hoping like hell 50 gpm is enough to get this done.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/05/critical_perspective.php?ref=f...

that makes me seel a little better, thanks. Too much negativity out there.

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Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster
Reply #140 - May 27^th, 2010 at 9:12am

Some Guy wrote on May 27^th, 2010 at 8:59am:

fuman wrote on May 27^th, 2010 at 8:45am:

Critical Perspective

At BP's West Houston complex, there's a command center filled with personnel from around the industry working with BP engineers. Several drill ships are in place. Tons of workboats are on site. There are 5 or more ROVs roaming the wellhead monitoring and cleaning things up. They're already bumping into each other because they normally work solo while tied to a ship by a mile long umbilical cable. They don't need more ROVs down there adding to the traffic. All these efforts are reported heavily in the Houston Chronicle and nola.com, but doesn't seem to get much for national coverage. If you only monitor the national coverage, you'd think BP is going it alone while we all sit by, but the reality is this is an industry-wide effort because we all know what's at stake.

On having Obama "do more," WTF is he supposed to do? Everybody seems to be calling for more fire in his belly and scary, threatening speeches. What does that accomplish? It's like people want him to do a dramatic speech like post-9/11 about bringing the criminals to justice. It does nothing to actually plug the damn well. The government does not have the expertise to do more to stop this gusher. It's in BPs interest to stop the gusher. All the conspiracy theories about wanting to preserve the well for future production are technically wrong and ignore that NOBODY in the industry benefits from this gusher continuing. BP wants what everybody else wants, though I'll concede that I suspect dispersants are about killing life where it's less easily photographed. Dispersants aside, the only conflict of interest is regarding the causes of the blowout, not the capping of the well. Fed investigations are already taking care of that part.

On the pace, I'm pissed because I thought top kill should have been the first thing they tried after the ROVs failed to close the BOP. The reason for delay was partly because it looked like a war zone down there initially due to all the debris from a mile long riser coming down with the sinking of the Deepwater Horizon. So there was cleanup to make everything accessible. Also, one issue with the top kill is that it does have some risk of making the leak worse by eroding whatever blockages exist to limit the blowout rate. It could also overpressure the wellhead to open up new leaks upstream of the current ones. My guess is they wanted a better understanding on the chance of success before taking those risks.

Anyway, here we are. I'm hoping like hell 50 gpm is enough to get this done.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/05/critical_perspective.php?ref=f...

that makes me feel a little better, thanks. Too much negativity out there.

Yep, I agree. It made me feel much better about the situation too.

Sad comment on the dispersant though.

I read that the top kill seems to have worked.

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Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster
Reply #143 - May 27^th, 2010 at 9:40am

fuman wrote on May 27^th, 2010 at 9:12am:

Some Guy wrote on May 27^th, 2010 at 8:59am:

fuman wrote on May 27^th, 2010 at 8:45am:

Critical Perspective

At BP's West Houston complex, there's a command center filled with personnel from around the industry working with BP engineers. Several drill ships are in place. Tons of workboats are on site. There are 5 or more ROVs roaming the wellhead monitoring and cleaning things up. They're already bumping into each other because they normally work solo while tied to a ship by a mile long umbilical cable. They don't need more ROVs down there adding to the traffic. All these efforts are reported heavily in the Houston Chronicle and nola.com, but doesn't seem to get much for national coverage. If you only monitor the national coverage, you'd think BP is going it alone while we all sit by, but the reality is this is an industry-wide effort because we all know what's at stake.

On having Obama "do more," WTF is he supposed to do? Everybody seems to be calling for more fire in his belly and scary, threatening speeches. What does that accomplish? It's like people want him to do a dramatic speech like post-9/11 about bringing the criminals to justice. It does nothing to actually plug the damn well. The government does not have the expertise to do more to stop this gusher. It's in BPs interest to stop the gusher. All the conspiracy theories about wanting to preserve the well for future production are technically wrong and ignore that NOBODY in the industry benefits from this gusher continuing. BP wants what everybody else wants, though I'll concede that I suspect dispersants are about killing life where it's less easily photographed. Dispersants aside, the only conflict of interest is regarding the causes of the blowout, not the capping of the well. Fed investigations are already taking care of that part.

On the pace, I'm pissed because I thought top kill should have been the first thing they tried after the ROVs failed to close the BOP. The reason for delay was partly because it looked like a war zone down there initially due to all the debris from a mile long riser coming down with the sinking of the Deepwater Horizon. So there was cleanup to make everything accessible. Also, one issue with the top kill is that it does have some risk of making the leak worse by eroding whatever blockages exist to limit the blowout rate. It could also overpressure the wellhead to open up new leaks upstream of the current ones. My guess is they wanted a better understanding on the chance of success before taking those risks.

Anyway, here we are. I'm hoping like hell 50 gpm is enough to get this done.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/05/critical_perspective.php?ref=f...

that makes me feel a little better, thanks. Too much negativity out there.

Yep, I agree. It made me feel much better about the situation too.

Sad comment on the dispersant though.

I read that the top kill seems to have worked.

Well their are still some things the government can do. Allow the locals to build sandberms to keep the oil out. Put up more booms. Make sure they don't wash ashore and let the local fisheman know what areas are safe to fish and what's not. Hopefully the top kill will work. But thier is always more they can do. I saw retired general Russell Honore' on CNN this morning. He's the guy they should put in charge.

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Pdog Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 6,130 aTx Gender:	Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Reply #144 - May 27^th, 2010 at 11:31am god i hope they stop this oil from coming out... for life and our future... what a releif it will be, to at least be able to just clean up, without more oil polluting.... so much is dying, it hurts my insides, and makes me sad...
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Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster
Reply #146 - May 27^th, 2010 at 12:39pm

Journalist: I don't wanna hear about no motherfuckin' ifs. All I wanna hear from your ass is, You ain't got no problem. I'm on the motherfucker. Go back out there, chill them journalists out and wait for the calvary which should be coming directly.

Obama: You ain't got no problem, journalists. I'm on the motherfucker. Go back out there, chill them journalists out and wait for Adm Allen who should be coming directly.

Journalist: You sending Adm Allen?

Obama: Oh, you feel better, motherfucker?

Journalist: Shit, Obama, that's all you had to say.
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Adm Allen: That's thirty minutes away. I'll be there in ten.

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Reply #149 - May 27^th, 2010 at 3:48pm

Edith Grove wrote on May 27^th, 2010 at 1:53pm:

monkey_man wrote on May 27^th, 2010 at 12:38pm:

BP has done far more damage to this country than any terrorist could dream of

I ain't none too happy with BP myself, but you're actually comparing BP with terrorism?

Do you know how many people have been intentionally murdered by terrorists?

Does 9/11 ring a bell?

Oh no! not you again

Damn straight! In terms of disruption to this country, no terrorist attack has ever come close to this size of economic and enviromental damage wreaked by this negligence. The Valdez spill was 21 years ago and 4 times smaller and there is still oil in the sand there. Bin Laden wishes he could he could have as lasting an effect.

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