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oldtimer Rocks Off Regular Offline Dance like nobody is watching Posts: 88	question for the truly hard cores Jan 12^th, 2010 at 5:01pm a young friend of mine (to whom i have given countless stones cd's and stuff) was in a music store yesterday to pick up a copy of "sticky fingers". the proprieter of the store told him that the stones had for some times released songs they didn't think were quite good enough under another name. anybody ever heard of this?
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nankerphelge Rocks Off Regular Offline Maybe being bad is more fun than being good... Posts: 2,775 Sweet Virginia Gender:	Re: question for the truly hard cores Reply #1 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 5:15pm When they first started writing their own songs in the early 60s, they used the pen name nanker/phelge. It appears on a number of their singles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanker_Phelge
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god Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 26	Re: question for the truly hard cores Reply #2 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 5:15pm When they recorded sub- par songs, they released them, I believe, under the name..."the beatles".
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oldtimer Rocks Off Regular Offline Dance like nobody is watching Posts: 88	Re: question for the truly hard cores Reply #3 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 5:26pm no, really.....this record store guy seemed to know something i sure as hell don't know!!! it wasn't nanker/phelge. i know that one...
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stonedinaustralia Rocks Off Regular Offline wake up crackers or we all through!! Posts: 859	Re: question for the truly hard cores Reply #4 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 6:23pm well i've been soaking up all things stones in a "hard core" (is that a euphemism for "obsessive"?) way for just on 35 years now and it's news to me
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oldtimer Rocks Off Regular Offline Dance like nobody is watching Posts: 88	Re: question for the truly hard cores Reply #5 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 6:49pm yes, it is. and me too! when my young friend said it, i was stunned speechless! waaayy news to me, too!
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Reply #6 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 6:53pm

oldtimer wrote on Jan 12^th, 2010 at 5:01pm:

a young friend of mine (to whom i have given countless stones cd's and stuff) was in a music store yesterday to pick up a copy of "sticky fingers". the proprieter of the store told him that the stones had for some times released songs they didn't think were quite good enough under another name. anybody ever heard of this?

Not true.

They did give some early Jagger-Richards compositions they didnt feel were right for the Stones to be used by other artists though.

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oldtimer Rocks Off Regular Offline Dance like nobody is watching Posts: 88	Re: question for the truly hard cores Reply #7 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 7:28pm good answer, gazza! maybe that's what the guy meant to say. thanks.
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corgi37 Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,559 Aussie land Gender:	Re: question for the truly hard cores Reply #8 - Jan 13^th, 2010 at 6:29am Gene Pitney did one of their songs. He had nice things to say about them when he visited Oz before he croaked. Cliff Richard did one too and only has horrible things to say about them. But then again, the guy didnt even stick it in Una Stubbs, so what do you expect?
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Heart Of Stone Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules Posts: 4,001 Charlottetown Prince Edward Is Gender:	Re: question for the truly hard cores Reply #9 - Jan 13^th, 2010 at 6:36am Another guy by the name of Chris Farlowe did "Out Of Time" "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNyAzuB1-rE"
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Reply #10 - Jan 13^th, 2010 at 6:37am

corgi37 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2010 at 6:29am:

Gene Pitney did one of their songs. He had nice things to say about them when he visited Oz before he croaked.

Cliff Richard did one too and only has horrible things to say about them.

But then again, the guy didnt even stick it in Una Stubbs, so what do you expect?

He gave Sue Barker a pass as well back in the 70s, which was a worse crime.

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Reply #11 - Jan 13^th, 2010 at 6:43am

Heart Of Stone wrote on Jan 13^th, 2010 at 6:36am:

Another guy by the name of Chris Farlowe did "Out Of Time"
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNyAzuB1-rE"

Not only did he do it, he got to number 1 in the UK with it. As far as I'm aware, the only Stones cover to have done that.

Farlowe released quite a few Jagger-Richards songs as singles in that era.

His version of 'Out of Time' is actually the same take as the Stones' one thats on 'Metamorphosis' - only with his vocal instead of Mick's. (It's not the Stones playing on this version though - mostly session musicians).

Farlowe's version is better known than the Stones' one, which is why I think it's a bit of a waste that the Stones have never performed the song live. Its one from deep in their catalogue that if they played it, you could guarantee that most people would know it.

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stonedinaustralia Rocks Off Regular Offline wake up crackers or we all through!! Posts: 859	Re: question for the truly hard cores Reply #12 - Jan 13^th, 2010 at 7:55am Heart Of Stone wrote on Jan 13^th, 2010 at 6:36am: Another guy by the name of Chris Farlowe did "Out Of Time" "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNyAzuB1-rE" nice quote HOS...reminds me of the time i was 9 years old what a voice..
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stonedinaustralia Rocks Off Regular Offline wake up crackers or we all through!! Posts: 859	Re: question for the truly hard cores Reply #13 - Jan 13^th, 2010 at 7:59am more stones http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgOU8uKPs3w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3yN0JvG5co not stones but a piece de resistance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3yN0JvG5co
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Re: question for the truly hard cores
Reply #14 - Jan 13^th, 2010 at 6:47pm

god wrote on Jan 12^th, 2010 at 5:15pm:

When they recorded sub- par songs, they released them, I believe, under the name..."the beatles".

really?

Cute. Unfortunately, the opposite is true: When the Beatles wrote a subpar song, they gave it to the Stones, who used it to break into the Top 10 for the first time (see "I Wanna Be Your Man").

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What a post Ronnie!!!!!

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andrews27 Rocks Off Regular Online Wake up Bowie or we all through!! Posts: 1,644 Pittsburgh, PA, USA Gender:	Re: question for the truly hard cores Reply #15 - Jan 13^th, 2010 at 9:43pm Representing the hard core, I say - "Never listen to the record-store guy."
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Re: question for the truly hard cores
Reply #16 - Jan 14^th, 2010 at 7:08pm

Gazza wrote on Jan 13^th, 2010 at 6:37am:

corgi37 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2010 at 6:29am:

Gene Pitney did one of their songs. He had nice things to say about them when he visited Oz before he croaked.

Cliff Richard did one too and only has horrible things to say about them.

But then again, the guy didnt even stick it in Una Stubbs, so what do you expect?

He gave Sue Barker a pass as well back in the 70s, which was a worse crime.

Sue Barker? The only Sue Barker I know is the former tennis professional....the same?

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Gazza Unholy Trinity Admin Offline Rat Bastid "We piss anywhere, man.." Posts: 13,231 Belfast, UK Gender:	Re: question for the truly hard cores Reply #17 - Jan 14^th, 2010 at 7:56pm yep. She dated Cliff in the 70s.
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Reply #18 - Jan 15^th, 2010 at 9:41am

Brainbell Jangler wrote on Jan 13^th, 2010 at 6:47pm:

god wrote on Jan 12^th, 2010 at 5:15pm:

When they recorded sub- par songs, they released them, I believe, under the name..."the beatles".

really?

Cute. Unfortunately, the opposite is true: When the Beatles wrote a subpar song, they gave it to the Stones, who used it to break into the Top 10 for the first time (see "I Wanna Be Your Man")

Quite possibly the most overdetermined example of Beatles/Stones lore. ... The Stones had early hits with songs written by Bobby Womack and Willie Dixon as well ... So what? We're talking about an approximately 18-month period -- a blip by today's standards of writing and recording! -- during which Mick and Keith were honing their craft. "I Wanna Be Your Man" *is* a subpar song. It was grist for the mill.

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Re: question for the truly hard cores
Reply #19 - Jan 21^st, 2010 at 9:36am

Gazza wrote on Jan 12^th, 2010 at 6:53pm:

oldtimer wrote on Jan 12^th, 2010 at 5:01pm:

a young friend of mine (to whom i have given countless stones cd's and stuff) was in a music store yesterday to pick up a copy of "sticky fingers". the proprieter of the store told him that the stones had for some times released songs they didn't think were quite good enough under another name. anybody ever heard of this?

Not true.

They did give some early Jagger-Richards compositions they didnt feel were right for the Stones to be used by other artists though.

Isn't that what the METAMORPHOSIS album was all about?!?

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Reply #20 - Jan 21^st, 2010 at 10:30am

Pretty much, yes - although there were a few songs which pre-dated even that material and go as far back as late 1963, eg 'Will You Be My Lover Tonight' and 'It Should be You' for George Bean, 'That Girl Belongs To Yesterday' for Gene Pitney, etc.

I dont think theres anything on 'Metamorphosis' that was recorded any earlier than mid 1964.

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