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Reply #1 - Nov 29th, 2009 at 4:32pm
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Link didn't work for me, Moy.

Not sure if its linked to the article you posted or not, but there's a one hour BBC radio special on Altamont next Saturday (5th December) at 10 pm.


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Shedding Hippie Blood: The Altamont Story
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Synopsis:

Huey Morgan tells the story of the Rolling Stones' 1969 Let It Bleed tour, a milestone in rock history that defined an era, and its tragic finale at the Altamont Speedway.

The band's previous tours had been brief, incandescent sets played to mostly screaming teenage girls. But as the 60s grew to a close, the Stones' music had evolved. They played longer sets, which charted their influences by including tracks by their blues heroes, and as Bill Wyman said; "for the first time the audiences were actually listening to what we playing".

1969 was the year of the free rock festival. The Stones' Hyde Park concert in London in July was followed a month later by Woodstock and, as their Let It Bleed tour rolled triumphantly across America, the Rolling Stones decided to end the decade with a massive free concert to thank their US fans for their continuing support.

The concert, held at Altamont Speedway in the scrublands of Northern California on 6th December, was meant to be the West Coast's answer to Woodstock but the event turned out so differently, some believe it signalled the end of the peace and love era. It was badly organised, Hell's Angels were providing security, and trouble started early on. Four people died including a young black man who was stabbed and kicked to death, at the front of the stage, as the Rolling Stones played Under My Thumb.

The programme features contributions from those who were on the road with the Stones on this groundbreaking tour including Mick Jagger's personal assistant, Georgia Bergman; the tour's business manager Ron Schneider; production manager Chip Monck; tour manager Sam Cutler; journalist Michael Lydon; photographer Ethan Russell; director Albert Maysles; and the Guardian's Eamonn McCabe.

Shedding Hippie Blood provides a fascinating insight into what Rolling Stone magazine at the time called "the biggest rock tour music has seen". It was a tour that defined an era with The Stones basically inventing stadium rock as their ground breaking journey unfolded. But it also represented the dark side that had emerged from a counterculture without control, conscience or conviction.



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Reply #3 - Nov 30th, 2009 at 3:48am
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Gawd, it's like it's like it was the end of the frigging world. Personally, i think there should be more German Shepherds roaming the stages. WOuld love to see a couple, or maybe even a Rottweiller or 3, onstage with U2.
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Yeah I watched it on GIMME SHELTER a few times, it happens so fast. My question is, who made the decision to hire Hell's Angels's as security? Or did they just show up and take over on their own? Hells Angels are a wild bunch of liquor, crystal meth and cocaine abusers ~ a stereotype for sure ~ but I know some of them and they are all night partiers in excess. They get some good shit!
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Reply #5 - Nov 30th, 2009 at 8:33am
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here a link a the new rock n folk summary dec 2009

http://www.rocknfolk.com/site/zoom.php?sommaire=2165
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Reply #6 - Nov 30th, 2009 at 1:59pm
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I have no trouble with this link (as Gazza earlier had) this explains who hired the Angels, Rock Scully, & explains quite a bit about it.
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moy wrote on Nov 29th, 2009 at 1:12pm:


I thought rock's darkest day was when Stevie Nix joined Fleetwood Mac.

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People that were crushed in Cincinatti when doors opened for The Who might disgree on the Darkest Day comment
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Bitch wrote on Nov 30th, 2009 at 8:08am:
Yeah I watched it on GIMME SHELTER a few times, it happens so fast. My question is, who made the decision to hire Hell's Angels's as security? Or did they just show up and take over on their own? Hells Angels are a wild bunch of liquor, crystal meth and cocaine abusers ~ a stereotype for sure ~ but I know some of them and they are all night partiers in excess. They get some good shit!



Well, I think the idea was that it was a bit unrealistic to expect 300,000 hippies - many of whom would have been off their tits on dope -  to be comfortable with being 'policed' by regular cops.

The local Hells Angels also did security at Hyde Park five months earlier without any incident. Unfortunately, it turned out to be a bit naive to expect the San Francisco chapter to be cut from the same cloth as their London counterparts. I think they had been hired as security at similar events in that area before without much bother though, so it wasnt as crazy an idea at the time to hire them as it does with the benefit of hindsight.
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I think when Lennon got shot, that was a dark day, as far as Altamont goes, I read about it in the newspaper, people just thought oh, another Rock festival, it wasn't looked upon as a dark day, it was to the families of that Hunter guy who got killed, but then again he had a gun pointing, I think Lennon's death really affected more people then that.
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Gazza wrote on Nov 30th, 2009 at 5:06pm:
The local Hells Angels also did security at Hyde Park five months earlier without any incident. Unfortunately, it turned out to be a bit naive to expect the San Francisco chapter to be cut from the same cloth as their London counterparts. I think they had been hired as security at similar events in that area before without much bother though, so it wasnt as crazy an idea at the time to hire them as it does with the benefit of hindsight.


Interesting how the article downplays the "security" tag.

"Arguably the most infamous decision was to invite the Hells Angels to the party. Although the popular perception is that the bikers were hired as security, the arrangement was in reality much less formal. Scully and others say that in exchange for $500 in beer, they would park their hogs near the stage to provide a visual deterrent to anybody who might rush the stage or equipment. Hells Angels members have said the club had done the same for Grateful Dead shows in the past."

Visual deterrent?

If Mick had looked over at the Angel with the melting face, he might've been scared off...  

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I would certainly have thought that sitting/standing at the front of the stage en masse with pool cues would have been an even bigger 'visual deterrent' than the motorcycles!
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gimmekeef wrote on Nov 30th, 2009 at 4:09pm:
People that were crushed in Cincinatti when doors opened for The Who might disgree on the Darkest Day comment


Agreed.  And John being shot by a 'fan.' 

The Angels had done security for the Grateful Dead without much trouble.  Mistake to hire them in hindsight, but it isn't very smart to bring a gun to a concert and whip it out less than a 100ft. from the stage either.  The guy should not have died, I'm not trying to justify that at all.  Just imagine what would happen now?  Pulling a gun out in front of a cop at a public event?
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Reply #14 - Nov 30th, 2009 at 6:29pm
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gimmekeef wrote on Nov 30th, 2009 at 4:09pm:
People that were crushed in Cincinatti when doors opened for The Who might disgree on the Darkest Day comment

Or the Station nightclub fire in Rhode Island where over 100 died.
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Nellcote wrote on Nov 30th, 2009 at 6:29pm:
gimmekeef wrote on Nov 30th, 2009 at 4:09pm:
People that were crushed in Cincinatti when doors opened for The Who might disgree on the Darkest Day comment

Or the Station nightclub fire in Rhode Island where over 100 died.

Exactly. Or the Metallica concert in Europe where many people died. Or this tragic event,or that one. Unfortunately way too many. But on the plus side. No matter how many dark days. We just keep rocking on right. You rock! Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?
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Yeah well the Hells Angels DO make good 'visual deterrants' ~ I wouldnt want to fvck with those guys! I was always scared of them even though I acted like I wasnt. They are some crazy mother fvckers! So who hired them? I dont think MICK would of offered to pay them $500 in beer, so was it KEEF? He seems more likely to get involved with that type of crowd! Nobody wants to claim responsibility for it? Yeah, hind site is 20-20.
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Rock Scully

Who is he ~ the head Hells Angels guy?
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"Rock Scully, the longtime manager of the Grateful Dead and one of the primary organizers of the festival."

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Thanks lefty, I cant get that link. Cool name, too, it sounds insane.
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Here's the article...

40 years after Altamont, rock music's darkest day


By Jim Harrington
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Posted: 11/28/2009 12:00:00 AM PST
Updated: 11/29/2009 03:51:26 AM PST

It was supposed to be "Woodstock West" — a free concert that would draw hundreds of thousands of fans, feature some of the biggest names in rock and solidify the still-blossoming Flower Power movement.

The Altamont Speedway Free Festival was also envisioned as the most famous music event in Bay Area history. It became just that, but for all the wrong reasons.

"It was just a big mess," says Rock Scully, the longtime manager of the Grateful Dead and one of the primary organizers of the festival.

About 300,000 fans turned out on Dec. 6, 1969, to the racetrack outside of Livermore to see the Rolling Stones, Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane and others. What they found was a venue ill-equipped to handle such a large crowd and a scene that devolved into a violent antithesis of the peaceful gathering in Woodstock 3½ months earlier.

By the time the night was over, four people were dead — two from hit-and-run accidents, one from drowning in an irrigation ditch and, most notoriously, one from repeated stab wounds at the hands of a Hells Angels member during a confrontation in front of the music stage.

Forty years later, organizers and witnesses still shake their heads over the string of bad decisions that added up to one of rock music's darkest days. While the tragedy was aired to the world in the Stones' documentary "Gimme Shelter," Scully says the 1970 film only hints at the horror that played out.

"Visually, I don't think anything could really nail down how terrible it was."

Concert nobody wanted

The Altamont story begins in London, where Scully had gone in mid-1969 to scout locations for a free concert featuring the Dead and the Airplane. He talked to the Stones, who were about to roll out on a North American tour, and wanted to do a free West Coast concert.

"They were taking some flak for their high ticket prices, and I just suggested that they play in Golden Gate Park," recalls Scully, who now lives in Monterey. "That's where it all started."

Scully, who'd helped with many free shows in the Bay Area, secured a concert permit for the park. One of the conditions, however, was that it couldn't be announced until 24 hours beforehand. Jagger, for whatever reason, spilled the news to the media, and the permit was instantly revoked.

Organizers found a new option in Sears Point (now Infineon Raceway) in Sonoma County. Work crews picked a small hilltop where they could erect a stage, which would have allowed bands to perform some 10-to-15 feet above the crowd. It could have been a vital safety feature.

"If (the Rolling Stones) had played at Sears Point, nothing would have happened," says Dennis McNally, longtime Grateful Dead publicist.

But Sears Point owners became peeved when they learned that the Stones planned to make the concert a pivotal scene in "Gimme Shelter." The festival again found itself without a home.

With just two days until showtime, Altamont Speedway owner Dick Carter offered his track, and organizers began a mad scramble to get it ready. By now, the momentum to put on the concert had attracted the likes of prominent San Francisco attorney Melvin Belli and Woodstock co-creator Michael Lang as organizers. But Bill Graham, the most experienced concert promoter in Northern California, wanted no part of it, says Gregg Perloff, co-founder of the Berkeley based concert promoter Another Planet.

"He said it was unsafe," says Perloff, who worked alongside Graham for more than a decade.

The day of the festival, Scully recalls, was a "doomsday scenario." The venue lacked the proper medical staff, parking space or other facilities to host a crowd that size, he says. Traffic was snarled for miles, as concertgoers simply abandoned their cars.

Arguably the most infamous decision was to invite the Hells Angels to the party. Although the popular perception is that the bikers were hired as security, the arrangement was in reality much less formal. Scully and others say that in exchange for $500 in beer, they would park their hogs near the stage to provide a visual deterrent to anybody who might rush the stage or equipment. Hells Angels members have said the club had done the same for Grateful Dead shows in the past.

But by the time the second act, Jefferson Airplane, took the stage, trouble had started. The Hells Angels and members of the increasingly unruly crowd began to fight. The film "Gimme Shelter" shows Airplane singer Marty Balin being knocked out by a Hells Angel.

"There were 30 to 50 (bikers), and however many hundred thousand people in front of them," McNally says. "There were a lot of very crazy, drug-addled people."

Deadly encounter

Witnessing the security problems, the Grateful Dead declined to play. But the show went on with performances by the Flying Burrito Brothers and Crosby, Stills & Nash. Then the Rolling Stones took the stage, and within minutes, chaos ensued. During their third number, "Sympathy for the Devil," the Stones had to stop playing.

Although Jagger begged fans to "just be cool down in the front there," the scene grew uglier. Eighteen-year-old Meredith Hunter reportedly tried to get onstage and was knocked back by the bikers. He returned with pistol in hand and was knifed by Hells Angel Alan Passaro — a scene captured in "Gimme Shelter."

"I saw the guy, Meredith Hunter, with his gun out, and I thought, 'Oh, crap, this is not good,' " Scully says. "He was just running around the crowd — it was sick — just stepping on people. I just prayed that somebody would stop him, but who is going to wrestle a guy to the ground with a gun at a concert like that? "... Had (the Angel) not been there, there would have been havoc."

Hunter died from his wounds, and autopsy reports showed that he was on methamphetamines at the time. Passaro was acquitted of murder charges after the jury viewed concert footage and decided that he had acted in self-defense.

The Stones, who may or may not have known that Hunter had died, returned to play eight more songs. According to Alamo resident Bob Matthews, who recorded the performance and still holds the tapes, the band delivered an inspired second set that closed, ironically, with "Street Fighting Man," a song that might have rung the closing bell on the Woodstock era.

"There's more than a grain of truth to that," McNally says. "The whole point of Woodstock was, you put 400,000 people together in a somewhat stressful situation and everyone behaves beautifully. Then, "... you get Altamont."

"That was such an awkward, horrible place to end up," says Scully, the anguish still evident in his voice 40 years later. "We had such lofty ideals going into the whole thing. It was awful."


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I have no trouble with this link (as Gazza earlier had) this explains who hired the Angels, Rock Scully, & explains quite a bit about it.

I can't see the Mojo's link.
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Heart Of Stone wrote on Nov 30th, 2009 at 1:59pm:
moy wrote on Nov 29th, 2009 at 1:12pm:


I have no trouble with this link (as Gazza earlier had) this explains who hired the Angels, Rock Scully, & explains quite a bit about it.

I can't see the Mojo's link.


You mean you can't get it? Gazza mentioned earlier he couldn't get it either, I guess it depends on what part of the world you live in, or something.
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