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Critically lauded, self-effacing, Ry Cooder returns to the world

Michael Dwyer
November 21, 2009
The Age . Australia
http://www.theage.com.au/news/entertainment/music/melancholy-vista/2009/11/20/12...

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Ry Cooder (left) and Nick Lowe are coming (to Australia) after Lowe dragged the retiring Cooder out of his garage and back on stage.



RY COODER'S MySpace page is blank. No friends, no photo. His face has barely graced an album cover since 1987. He's mostly the backroom type of music legend. Soundtracks. Sessions. Collaborations with unpronounceable virtuosos from exotic countries. He doesn't make videos and until recently, he hadn't toured anywhere in 20 years.

The most recent portrait of the artist hails from Cuba circa 1997. There he is in Wim Wenders' movie Buena Vista Social Club, lying back in a rocking chair outside some deserted seaside cafe, long cigar angled at the sky, left foot tapping to an upright bass and drums jamming with the waves.

His joy is quiet and complete. The modern world seems light years away. These two facts are not disconnected.

''I have a lot of discomfort in the present,'' growls the slide guitarist/musicologist, by way of explaining his apparent reclusion these last couple of decades in his home/garage in Santa Monica.

''I'm 62 now. So I grew up in a time that was distinctly different from the way things are now. Musically, certainly that's true. Thank God for recordings, though. I can put on anything I want to and listen to it any time I feel like it.''

He doesn't add ''so to hell with you and the horse you rode in on'', but his tone implies that general attitude to the whole lousy post-CD world.

It was an old cassette, actually, that lured him back for one of his cyclical reappearances in popular consciousness with the Buena Vista phenomenon 10 years ago. He'd carried the rattly artefact around for 20 years before he ventured back to Havana with half a mind to find whoever was playing the small six-stringed instrument on the tape.

It turned out to be tres player Juan de Marcos Gonzales, just one name that would soon be buzzing around every world music marketplace from Carnegie Hall to the Melbourne Arts Centre.

By that time, Cooder had gone back to his garage, perhaps mildly bemused that Buena Vista had set the world on fire while his collaborations with, say, VM Bhatt or the Zydeco Party Band were gathering dust in specialty racks.

''What I hear in world music now is the same thing I see in movies,'' he says - alluding to another niche he has thoroughly explored (notably with the soundtrack to Paris, Texas) and abandoned.

''These people are trying to get a market going. How do they do that? They define what the market likes. They like pop music. They like rhythm. They like a certain kind of a thing. And so we have to move away from indigenous expression, move away from the folkloric, move away from the idiosyncratic towards something that is more palatable to everybody.

''Well, that's the same in shoes and cars and every goddamn thing and that's why I am so very disinterested,'' he says. ''When culture falls under the auspices of commercial enterprise - by that I mean style, and the homogenisation of everything - well, I'm sorry to say this, but that's when it's over.''

Ryland Cooder has been turning his back on commercial enterprise since the world first learnt his name. Most Rolling Stones fans know the story about Keith Richards hiring the hot new kid from LA to play on their landmark Let It Bleed LP in 1969, and promptly appropriating a fair whack of his style and technique.

Richards has gleefully confessed to the act of piracy - ''I took him for all he was worth … The tuning, the f---ing lot. I ripped him off'' - though he never seemed to understand Cooder's dismay that a high-flying rock band had sold him up the pop charts.

Barely out of his teens, the young American had learnt his trade by a more subtle osmosis. Far from the smash-and-grab pace of the rock mainstream, his early sessions were with Taj Mahal's Rising Sons and Captain Beefheart's famously challenging Magic Band.

An only child, he'd been given his first guitar by a family friend when he was four years old, while recovering from the penknife accident that put out his left eye. In retrospect, that dramatic event makes some sense of his simmering unease with the world at large.

''A kid can't foresee anything like that,'' Cooder told his friend, writer Alec Wilkinson, in 1999. ''Once it happened it seemed as if the sky could fall in, as if at any time something can go wrong in a big hurry, and forever.''

As a popular music commodity - a face on an album cover - his first career cycle ran from his debut of 1970 to The Slide Area in 1982. Bop Till You Drop was the high-tide mark: a distinctively spiced R&B covers album that even gave him a fleeting Countdown profile here with Little Sister.

Then he disappeared, for most of the next two decades, behind the silver screen. He scored a dozen movies, nine of them for western revivalist Walter Hill. But even from back there, Cooder's electrifying presence could be hard to miss. His fluid conversance with the multifarious roots of 20th century Americana brought timeless ballast to films of varying weight.

New Melbourne blues sensation Dallas Frasca was one of countless '80s kids who heard his work on Crossroads as ground zero in her musical education. Almost simultaneously, Paris, Texas made Cooder a household name for an older, arthouse audience.

''Wim Wenders said, 'It's got to be the blues, it's got to be this lonesome thing, this one character hung out there like he's on Mars, '' he recalls of the Paris, Texas brief. ''He (mentioned) Blind Willie Johnson and I said, 'I got it for you right now. Within minutes I can do that, so yes, that's acceptable.'

''It just so happened that that film and the idea went together like a hand in a glove. So we were in good shape. Then, of course, the film did well and it made sense to people and they liked it.''

If only it were that simple nowadays.

''Soundtracks to me now … they're so goddamned problematic and they're so hard and the movies are so strange and I can't even see movies any more because they scare me to death,'' he says. ''It's not about anything I like. That's all long gone.''

Cooder stopped touring in the late 1980s. Money was ''always problematic'' and he got too tired and too homesick for his wife, Susan, and their 10-year-old son, Joachim.

Get Rhythm would be the last album under his name in almost 20 years. His soundtracks and collaborations kept rolling, but only until the Buena Vista wave apparently exhausted his taste for public attention altogether.

Back in his garage, though, he never stopped tinkering. In the past five years he has staged an uncompromising comeback, resurrecting the ongoing, essentially political American roots narrative he'd picked up in the early '70s on albums such as Into the Purple Valley and Boomer's Story.

His so-called California Trilogy comprises three concept albums, each celebrating some forgotten slice of history. Chavez Ravine is about the forced displacement of a Mexican neighbourhood of Los Angeles in the 1950s. My Name is Buddy is a cat-and-mouse allegory about the demise of the labour movement. I, Flathead is a rev-head's folk story ostensibly told by redneck muso Kash Buk.

''American vernacular music, which is what we do, is a narrative kind of thing,'' he says. ''What it amounts to is somebody telling you about themselves: I got fired from my job. I got drunk. I wrecked a car. I met a woman. I went to a party.

''Underneath all that, usually the themes were failure and hard times. Failure in America: that's what interested me when I was little. This Dust Bowl music, and the blues, and the hillbillies talking about their lives.''

By way of illustration, he launches into the first verse of Woody Guthrie's The Dust Storm. In four lines, it recounts the black day of April 14, 1935: the start of the five-year exodus from the ravaged farms of the Midwest that helped shape pre-war California.

''I'd listen to that and I'd think, goddamn, that must have been some shit,'' Cooder says. ''When you're six, seven, eight years old, that's powerful, you know, this one guy talking out of this record at you, very close and personal. It's narrative, is all.

''To me, that's the whole point of all this work that I learnt to do, and that I like, and that I continue to like to do.''

Again, the middle-fingered salute to popular appetites is hard to miss. But talking about the nostalgic heroism of My Name Is Buddy, he also makes it clear that his renewed motivation as a writer is partly a reaction to the modern world he despises.

''At that time we were in the middle of this Bush thing here, you know. And I was so pissed off every day and so full of hate for the government. And seeing the solidarity of the workingman's movement disappearing made me so incredibly angry. I was so disgusted that I thought, 'I'm going to hurt myself if I don't turn this into something here.' ''

Nor does his internal narrative stop rolling when he puts down his guitar: ''I've been writing stories now. I wrote a bunch of stories about people in Los Angeles from that time and I put them together in a little book which I'm selling at shows, cause it's interesting and fun to make books. I like books, you know.

''I wouldn't go to a publisher with these things, that'd be silly,'' he adds tersely. ''I'm doing it myself.''

The show that brings Cooder to Melbourne for the first time in 30 years began as a benefit for a sick friend in San Francisco a year ago. It was a mutual friend and studio colleague, former English punk turned American roots aficionado Nick Lowe, who dragged Cooder out of the garage.

The odd pair drafted Cooder junior, Joachim, to play drums, establishing a lean and versatile stage chemistry that rolled on to Europe with uncharacteristic enthusiasm from its grumpiest member. Not because it's necessarily a way forward to anything. But because it takes him back.

''I really had a great time,'' he says, ''and, man, we played good. It made us think about things, like songs we used to know and stuff we remembered from another time. And that's always fun.''

Another time. It takes more than a crafty guitar tuning to get there, but even in a commercially homogenised world, Cooder's radar remains tuned to a dimension way beyond the white noise of popular music.

''I got a record of some Cambodian rock guys doing this weird surf music, probably during the Cambodian war. It's called Cambodia Rocks. Listen to that. Now that's world music. That shit is so wicked it'll take your face off.

''Also here in LA today is psycho Mexican music being played by kids, like banda, and weird distorted nortena music, and it is some of the goddamnedest craziest shit you have heard in your life. That is some world music. But most people would be offended and go run for the door, you know, probably go turn on the radio.''

And don't get him started on that.

''Radio? Oh no. Oh God. Who runs the radio? A bunch of fascists. A bunch of nazis. They want to find the dumbest, worstest thing they can find and just promote it to death. Ooh, I hate these people. It's enough to make you want to take poison and die, as Linda Ronstadt said to me the other day.

''But I don't have a problem, because they don't want me anyway. I don't have to deal with them. I'm clean.''

Ry Cooder and Nick Lowe play the Palais Theatre on November 28 (sold out) and 29, with Joachim Cooder and special guest Juliette Commagere.

Tickets through Ticketmaster, 136 100, www.ticketmaster.com.au
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Love me some Ry.  Maybe I'll put on Sister Morphine today.
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Throwaway wrote on Nov 20th, 2009 at 12:22pm:
Love me some Ry.  Maybe I'll put on Sister Morphine today.

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I have no Ry at work- all on my ipod at home.  I just created a Ry Cooder station on Pandora-LOL

Yes love me some Ry too!!! Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?
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Ok yeah, so did he play on Let it Bleed?
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Yes. 'Beggar's Banquet' and 'Sticky Fingers', too.

Then there's 'Jamming With Edward', which is Ry, Mick, Bill, Charlie and Nicky Hopkins.
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would love to see RY again its been over 25 years!! he should get out more!!!
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This show should not be missed

Out of my all time favourite living acts , he was unquestionably the one I most wanted to see in concert but had not done so -  until I managed to do so when he played here with Nick Lowe in June.

Absolutely outstanding, despite the absence of Flaco Jiminez from the band due to illness.  Still the most wonderful guitarist on the planet, as far as I'm concerned.
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Ry is great!

Is that Ry playing lead on Sister Morphine? I always thought it was Mick Taylor.
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Cooder on slide. Keith on acoustic.

It was recorded on 30th March 1969 - after the last session that Brian turned up for, but before Taylor joined the band.

'Love In Vain', featuring Cooder on mandolin, comes from a few days earlier.

Cooder also plays on the 'Performance' soundtrack, most famously on the Jagger solo version of 'Memo from Turner' although I think his playing would have been overdubbed at a later session some time after Mick did his demo.

The 'Jamming with Edward' session - according to Nico Zentgraf - comes from 23/4/69. Personally, I'd have thought that 23/3/69 makes more sense as Cooder was recording with the Stones on or around THAT date and the jam session arose mainly because Keith didnt turn up due to some bad blood between him and Cooder. Yet, Zentgraf states that 'Downtown Suzie' was recorded on 23/4/69 - and that DOES feature Keith.

As far as I can see, Cooder didnt play on any of the 'Beggars' sessions.
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Thank you for the information.  I do love Jamming With Edward.

Somewhere I heard, or read, that Cooder played on Black and Blue as well. That The Stones were in the process of finding a replacement for Mick taylor. Is that true?
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Gazza wrote on Nov 20th, 2009 at 7:12pm:
Cooder on slide. Keith on acoustic.

It was recorded on 30th March 1969 - after the last session that Brian turned up for, but before Taylor joined the band.

'Love In Vain', featuring Cooder on mandolin, comes from a few days earlier.

Cooder also plays on the 'Performance' soundtrack, most famously on the Jagger solo version of 'Memo from Turner' although I think his playing would have been overdubbed at a later session some time after Mick did his demo.

The 'Jamming with Edward' session - according to Nico Zentgraf - comes from 23/4/69. Personally, I'd have thought that 23/3/69 makes more sense as Cooder was recording with the Stones on or around THAT date and the jam session arose mainly because Keith didnt turn up due to some bad blood between him and Cooder. Yet, Zentgraf states that 'Downtown Suzie' was recorded on 23/4/69 - and that DOES feature Keith.

As far as I can see, Cooder didnt play on any of the 'Beggars' sessions.


I was under the impression that Ry contributed to more tunes.  Especially since keef was supposedly so influenced by his playing. Also, I thought that the riff between them had to do with Ry's lack of being credited on those tunes.
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Thank you for the information.  I do love Jamming With Edward.

Somewhere I heard, or read, that Cooder played on Black and Blue as well. That The Stones were in the process of finding a replacement for Mick taylor. Is that true?



No. Cooder didnt play on any of the sessions for Black and Blue, nor was he present at any of the rehearsals/auditions in Rotterdam in Jan-Feb 1975. I've never heard that he was even considered. I'd imagine that the only time he would have been talked about as replacing anyone would have been when Brian Jones was leaving.

After 1969, I seriously doubt his relationship with the Stones would ever have reached the stage where he'd have worked with them again. He's remained quite bitter about it for four decades now.
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StPeteStone wrote on Nov 21st, 2009 at 1:09pm:
Gazza wrote on Nov 20th, 2009 at 7:12pm:
Cooder on slide. Keith on acoustic.

It was recorded on 30th March 1969 - after the last session that Brian turned up for, but before Taylor joined the band.

'Love In Vain', featuring Cooder on mandolin, comes from a few days earlier.

Cooder also plays on the 'Performance' soundtrack, most famously on the Jagger solo version of 'Memo from Turner' although I think his playing would have been overdubbed at a later session some time after Mick did his demo.

The 'Jamming with Edward' session - according to Nico Zentgraf - comes from 23/4/69. Personally, I'd have thought that 23/3/69 makes more sense as Cooder was recording with the Stones on or around THAT date and the jam session arose mainly because Keith didnt turn up due to some bad blood between him and Cooder. Yet, Zentgraf states that 'Downtown Suzie' was recorded on 23/4/69 - and that DOES feature Keith.

As far as I can see, Cooder didnt play on any of the 'Beggars' sessions.


I was under the impression that Ry contributed to more tunes.  Especially since keef was supposedly so influenced by his playing. Also, I thought that the riff between them had to do with Ry's lack of being credited on those tunes.



You're sort of touching on what part of the problem appears to have been. I think he was needled at what he saw as Keith stealing his licks or style of playing, without specifically saying that it was HIS own playing that wasn't credited.

He simply wasnt on enough sessions to have been on much of the album: According to Nico Zentgraf (and some of this info comes from Karnbach's book) this was what was recorded in 1969 :

10th February - 31st March: London, Olympic Sound Studios. Producer: Jimmy Miller.
                  Sound engineer: Glyn Johns.
                   - Aladdin Story I (MJ/KR) -unverified, probably instrumental
                  - And I Was A Country Boy (MJ/KR) -instrumental (23rd March)
                  - French Gig (MJ/KR) -unverified
                  - Gimme Shelter I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Jimmy Miller on percussion;
                       early ‘Give Me Some Shelter’-version (23rd-25th February)
                  - Gimme Shelter II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Jimmy Miller on percussion;
                       early version with different vocals (15th March)
                  - Honky Tonk Women I (MJ/KR) -STU on piano, Jimmy Miller on
                       cowbell, Reparata and The Delrons, Nanette Newman & Doris Troy on
                       backing vocals; version with different 2nd (Paris-)verse (9th and/or 16th March)
                  - Jimmy Miller Show (MJ/KR) -unverified
                  - Let It Bleed I (MJ/KR) -unverified early version (under title If You Need Someone)
                        (9th March)
                  - Love In Vain II (Robert Johnson) -Ry Cooder on mandolin; Let It Bleed-version
                        (24th - 27th March)

                  - Midnight Rambler I (MJ/KR) -unverified early version (9th or 10th February)
                  - Midnight Rambler II (MJ/KR) -Let It Bleed-version (10th  or- 11th March)
                  - Pennies From Heaven (MJ/KR) -unverified
                  - Shine A Light I (MJ/KR) -unverified early version (31st March)
                  - Sister Morphine II (MJ/KR/Marianne Faithfull) -Ry Cooder on guitar; embryonic
                        version without piano (22nd, 28th & 30th March)
                  - Sister Morphine III (MJ/KR/Marianne Faithfull) -Ry Cooder on guitar, Nicky
                        Hopkins on piano; early version (22nd, 28th & 30th March)
                  - Sister Morphine IV (MJ/KR/Marianne Faithfull) - Ry Cooder on guitar; Sticky
                        Fingers-version (31st March)

                  - You Can't Always Get What You Want III (MJ/KR) -Al Kooper on
                       piano, organ and french horn, Rocky Dijon on percussion, Jimmy
                       Miller on drums, Madeline Bell, Doris Troy and Nanette Workman on
                       backing vocals & ca. 50 members of the London Bach Choir; choral
                        parts arranged by Jack Nitzsche (on the 15th March); without choir intro
                  - You Can't Always Get What You Want IV (MJ/KR) -with choir intro by
                       ca. 50 members of the London Bach Choir; Let It Bleed-version

                  - You Can't Always Get What You Want V (MJ/KR) -shorter single-version
                       (without choir intro)
                  - You Got The Silver I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano and organ; unverified
                        instrumental version (9th or 10th February)
                - You Got The Silver II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano and organ; MJ on lead
                        vocals-version (16th February)
                  - You Got The Silver III (MJ/KR) - Nicky Hopkins on piano and organ; Let It
                        Bleed-version (17th February)


17th April - 2nd July: London, Olympic Sound Studios. Producer: Jimmy Miller.
                  Sound engineers: Glyn Johns; Vic Smith on Monkey Man I; Andy Johns, Glyn Johns
                  and George Chkiantz on Jiving Sister Fanny.
                  With Mick Taylor (MT) from 24th May onwards.
                 - Country Honk I (MJ/KR) -early version without fiddle (12th May)
                 - Country Honk II (MJ/KR) -first version with Mick Taylor
                 - Curtis Meets Smokey (MJ/KR) -unverified (23rd April)
                 - Downtown Suzie II (BW) -Metamorphosis-version (23rd April)
                 - Honky Tonk Women II (MJ/KR) - STU on piano, Jimmy Miller on
                     cowbell, Reparata and The Delrons, Nanette Newman & Doris Troy
                     on backing vocals, Steve Gregory & Bud Beadle on horns; 7" version, recordings
                     begun 30th May - 5th June
               
- I Don't Know Why I (Stevie Wonder/Paul Riser/Don Hunter/Lula Hardaway) - STU
                     on piano, unknowns on brass; early mix of version II, recorded around the 30th June
                 - I Don't Know Why II (Stevie Wonder/Paul Riser/Don Hunter/Lula Hardaway) - STU
                      on piano, unknowns on brass; Metamorphosis-version, recorded around the 30th
                      June

                 - I'm Going Down I (MJ/KR) -Rocky Dijon on percussion; unverified version without
                      sax
                 - Jiving Sister Fanny I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, unknowns on brass; early
                      mix of III
                 - Jiving Sister Fanny II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, unknowns on brass;
                      'Black Box'-version with female vocals, unverified
                 - Jiving Sister Fanny III (MJ/KR) - Nicky Hopkins on piano, unknowns on brass;
                      Metamorphosis-version
                 - Let It Bleed II (MJ/KR) -STU on piano; Let It Bleed-version

                 - Let It Loose I (MJ/KR) –unverified early version
                 - Live With Me I (MJ/KR) -unverified early version without overdubs (24th May)
                 - Loving Cup I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on keyboard; early version with e.g. totally
                      different piano-intro
                 - Monkey Man I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Jimmy Miller on tambourine;
                       instrumental (under title Positano Grande)(17th - 22nd April)
                 - Monkey Man II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Jimmy Miller on tambourine;
                       Let It Bleed-version (10th June - 2nd July)

                 - Mucking About (MJ/KR) -unverified (29th April)
                 - So Fine (MJ/KR) -unverified (23rd April)
                 - Toss The Coin (MJ/KR) -unverified
                 - The Vulture (MJ/KR) -unverified
                 - When Old Glory Comes Along (MJ/KR) -unverified (17th - 22nd April)

17th October - 26th October: THE ROLLING STONES. Los Angeles,
                  Sunset Sound Studios &
                 28th October - 2nd November: Los Angeles, Elektra Studios. Producer: Jimmy Miller.
                  Sound engineers: Glyn Johns (& Bruce Botnik at Elektra).
                  Additional musicians: Bobby Keys, Nanette Workman, Merry Clayton,
                  Byron Berline and Leon Russell. Overdubbing and mixing-sessions.
                  - All Down The Line I (MJ/KR) -acoustic-version
                  - Country Honk III (MJ/KR) -Byron Berline on fiddle, Nanette Workman
                       on backing vocals, Sam Cutler on “horn“; Let It Bleed-version
                  - Gimme Shelter III (MJ/KR) -Merry Clayton on vocals, Nicky Hopkins
                       on piano, Jimmy Miller on percussion; Let It Bleed-version

                  - Hillside Blues (MJ/KR) -Bobby Keys on sax
                  - I'm Going Down II (MJ/KR) -Bobby Keys on sax, Rocky Dijon on
                       percussion, early extended version

                  - I'm Going Down III (MJ/KR) - Bobby Keys on sax, Rocky Dijon on
                       percussion; unverified 'Black Box'-version, with brass and female voice
                  - Live With Me II (MJ/KR) -Leon Russell and Nicky Hopkins on piano,
                       Bobby Keys on sax, horns arranged by Leon Russell.; Let It Bleed-version

                    Note: Hillside Blues is commonly known as I Don’t Know The Reason Why.
                              All Down The Line could stem from London June 1969.
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As far as I can see, Cooder didnt play on any of the 'Beggars' sessions.


Check out this link re: Cooder and 'Beggar's Banquet' - www.ryland-cooder.com/BeggarsBanquet.html
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Reply #14 - Nov 21st, 2009 at 2:02pm
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left shoe shuffle wrote on Nov 21st, 2009 at 1:33pm:
Gazza wrote on Nov 20th, 2009 at 7:12pm:
As far as I can see, Cooder didnt play on any of the 'Beggars' sessions.


Check out this link re: Cooder and 'Beggar's Banquet' - www.ryland-cooder.com/BeggarsBanquet.html


Definitely Brian on No Expectations.  The other contributions seem accurate, though.
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Reply #15 - Nov 21st, 2009 at 2:10pm
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Gazza wrote on Nov 21st, 2009 at 1:29pm:
StPeteStone wrote on Nov 21st, 2009 at 1:09pm:
Gazza wrote on Nov 20th, 2009 at 7:12pm:
Cooder on slide. Keith on acoustic.

It was recorded on 30th March 1969 - after the last session that Brian turned up for, but before Taylor joined the band.

'Love In Vain', featuring Cooder on mandolin, comes from a few days earlier.

Cooder also plays on the 'Performance' soundtrack, most famously on the Jagger solo version of 'Memo from Turner' although I think his playing would have been overdubbed at a later session some time after Mick did his demo.

The 'Jamming with Edward' session - according to Nico Zentgraf - comes from 23/4/69. Personally, I'd have thought that 23/3/69 makes more sense as Cooder was recording with the Stones on or around THAT date and the jam session arose mainly because Keith didnt turn up due to some bad blood between him and Cooder. Yet, Zentgraf states that 'Downtown Suzie' was recorded on 23/4/69 - and that DOES feature Keith.

As far as I can see, Cooder didnt play on any of the 'Beggars' sessions.


I was under the impression that Ry contributed to more tunes.  Especially since keef was supposedly so influenced by his playing. Also, I thought that the riff between them had to do with Ry's lack of being credited on those tunes.



You're sort of touching on what part of the problem appears to have been. I think he was needled at what he saw as Keith stealing his licks or style of playing, without specifically saying that it was HIS own playing that wasn't credited.

He simply wasnt on enough sessions to have been on much of the album: According to Nico Zentgraf (and some of this info comes from Karnbach's book) this was what was recorded in 1969 :



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Re: Critically lauded, self-effacing Ry Cooder ret
Reply #16 - Nov 21st, 2009 at 2:26pm
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Gazza wrote on Nov 20th, 2009 at 7:12pm:
As far as I can see, Cooder didnt play on any of the 'Beggars' sessions.


Check out this link re: Cooder and 'Beggar's Banquet' - www.ryland-cooder.com/BeggarsBanquet.html



very interesting. Not so sure its right, though.

Mick Jagger even says its Brian on 'No Expectations'

http://www.timeisonourside.com/SONoExpectations.html

No specific indication it's Cooder on 'Factory Girl'. Probably either Brian or Dave Mason. Listed as "mellotron (mandolin sound)"


http://www.timeisonourside.com/SOFactory.html



Zentgraf's sessionography (again with a nod to Karnbach's info taken from the studio logs) doesn't mention Cooder as playing on the sessions at all :


13th - 23rd May: London, Olympic Sound Studios. Producer: Jimmy Miller.
                  Sound engineer: Glyn Johns. Sessions partially without BJ (notably on the 23rd ).
                  - Blood Red Wine (MJ/KR)
                  - Dear Doctor I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on tack piano, Dave Mason on
                       guitar; take 1with totally different lead vocal and no backing vocals
                  - Dear Doctor II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on tack piano, Dave Mason on
                       guitar; take with no high pitched vocal of MJ in the bridge
                  - Dear Doctor III (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on tack piano, Dave Mason
                       on guitar; first version with high pitched vocals, less piano but more
                       backing vocals, drums and bass in the mix
                  - Dear Doctor IV (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on tack piano, Dave Mason
                       on guitar; Beggars Banquet-version
                  - Downtown Suzie I (BW) -unverified early version
                  - Factory Girl I (MJ/KR) -Rick Grech on fiddle, Rocky Dijon on congas,
                       Dave Mason on mandolin; take with different fiddle-mix
                  - Factory Girl II (MJ/KR) -Rick Grech on fiddle, Rocky Dijon on congas,
                       Dave Mason on mandolin; Beggars Banquet-version
                  - Family I (MJ/KR) - Nicky Hopkins on piano; electric guitar-version
                  - Give Me A Hamburger To Go (a/k/a 'Stuck Out Alone')(MJ/KR)
                  - Lady (MJ/KR) -unverified
                  - Love In Vain I (Robert Johnson) -23rd May, BJ not present, unverified
                  - No Expectations I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano and organ; early version with
                       studio chatter-intro and less percussion
                  - Prodigal Son I (Rev. Robert Wilkins) -early mix, with foot stomp in right channel
                  - Salt Of The Earth II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, unverified
                      second instrumental version, under title Silver Blanket
                  - Sister Morphine I (MJ/KR/Marianne Faithfull) -unverified early take
                  - Still A Fool (McKinley Morganfield) -Nicky Hopkins on piano
                  - Stray Cat Blues II (MJ/KR) - Nicky Hopkins on piano, Rocky Dijon on
                       congas; Beggars Banquet-version
                  - Street Fighting Man IV (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Dave Mason on shehani;
                       US 7“-version with a slightly different vocal mix
                  + interview with BJ
                  Note: There’s three different mixes of Dear Doctor III, they all differ only slightly as
                            they are either mono or stereo - or the one or the other instrument more
                            prominently dominates the mix.



4th - 10th June: London, Olympic Sound Studios. Producer: Jimmy Miller.
                  Sound engineer: Glyn Johns.
                  - No Expectations II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano and organ; Beggars
                       Banquet-version
                  - Sympathy For The Devil I (MJ/KR) -additional backing vocals by Anita
                       Pallenberg, Marianne Faithfull and Nicky Hopkins; Rocky Dijon on
                       congas, Nicky Hopkins on piano; early mix, slightly edited
                  - Sympathy For The Devil II (MJ/KR) -additional backing vocals by
                       Anita Pallenberg, Marianne Faithfull and Nicky Hopkins; Rocky Dijon
                       on congas, Nicky Hopkins on piano; edit version
                  - Sympathy For The Devil III (MJ/KR) -additional backing vocals by
                       Anita Pallenberg, Marianne Faithfull and Nicky Hopkins; Rocky Dijon
                       on congas, Nicky Hopkins on piano; Beggars Banquet-version
                  + shootings for the movie 'One Plus One', directed by Jean-Luc Godard.
                  the movie includes:
                  - Sympathy For The Devil 1  0.39 -re-started
                  - Sympathy For The Devil 2  0.27 -drums, guitar & piano only
                  - Sympathy For The Devil 3  3.22 -with guitar-intro
                  - tuning 2.32
                  - Sympathy For The Devil 4 -drums intro, introduced as `take 4`
                  - Sympathy For The Devil 5  0.19 -drums only
                  - Sympathy For The Devil 6  0.43 -drums and percussion only
                  - Sympathy For The Devil 7  0.11 -drums only
                  - Sympathy For The Devil 8  1.47 -drums intro, very audible organ
                  - Sympathy For The Devil 9  0.20 -drums only
                  - Sympathy For The Devil 10  0.32 -drums intro, Mick ends with `ah shit`
                  - Sympathy For The Devil 11  3.32 -drums intro
                  - Sympathy For The Devil 12  0.36 -without intro
                  - tuning 0.10
                  - Sympathy For The Devil 13  1.54 -with guitar intro (pt.)
                  - Sympathy For The Devil 14  4.59 -first fast take
                  - tuning 0.30
                  - Sympathy For The Devil 15 -piano only (Nicky Hopkins)
                  - tuning 1.40
                  - tuning 0.08 -incl. guitar intro
                  - Sympathy For The Devil 16  0.58 -percussion intro, MJ sings to playback
                  - Sympathy For The Devil 17  2.52 -percussion intro, first take with backing vocals
                  - Jam (a/k/a London Jam) 1  0.48
                  - tuning 1.36
                  - Jam (a/k/a London Jam) 2  0.09
                  - tuning 0.48
                  - Jam (a/k/a London Jam) 3  1.33
                  - tuning 0.28
                  - Jam (a/k/a London Jam) 4  3.21
                  - tuning 0.49
                  - guitar riff and tuning 0.45
                  - guitar riff and tuning 0.38
                  - tuning 0.17
                 Additional musicians: Nicky Hopkins (keyb, bvoc)/Rocky Dijon (congas)/
                            Anita Pallenberg and Marianne Faithfull (bvoc)
                 Note: Times only approximative.

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