Ian Billen wrote on Oct 18^th, 2009 at 11:13pm:

I'm praying for NO another Tattoo  You. I think your talking sound right and as  far I know, extremely logic.

they are gonna phone it in.

dudes are old

gimmekeef wrote on Oct 19^th, 2009 at 8:36am:


I see no way to improve on the above. Nicely done!

Word on the street is they will do a double album of classic cuts covers and older standards...

I am kiding of course...but could you imagine...BLEEECCCHHHHH!!!!

Zack wrote on Oct 19^th, 2009 at 11:12am:

I think no one of us cannot forget about Dirty Work.
what had said Stu?

Lantern_High wrote on Oct 19^th, 2009 at 6:08am:

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No. I am not speaking in sound/production what-so-ever. I am speaking of them digging through past albums and mostly older sessions to make up most of the album because they were in such a rush.

I am simply concerned all this gallivanting around the globe for them is eating up their writing and pre-production time so I am hoping another Tattoo You affair would not be needed in where they used almost all old material. I want it mostly fresh. Not left-overs that are worked up. Mind You, no dis-credit to Tattoo You. Tattoo You is a great album ...but that scenario to that extent was a one time deal.  


Ian

Gazza wrote on Oct 19^th, 2009 at 7:13am:


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What I am concerned of is the "writing" and "pre-production time". Not so much the actual recording time. By this time Mick and Keith would of been together sharing song ideas with Don Was and getting on with actually writing the material and creating the songs. This is what I mean. As far as I can see they have not been together hardly at all. Your very right about Steel Wheels and BTB but indeed they were on the rush. As well, they still would be writing the songs together by now ...or at least be working on it at the same location. It does not appear to be the case and it is approaching late October...   the clock is ticking. Unless, as was reported ...some how they have stuff finished already?

As well, not for anything but Don Was is working with The Stone Temple Pilots right now. When he works with The Stones he does it exclusively (naturally). So I am not seeing him in the equation right now (who knows ....will he be in the equation at all this time round?).


Ian

Nellcote wrote on Oct 19^th, 2009 at 9:45pm:


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Hah. I appreciate the obsevant response. However I am not sure I know precisely what you mean? Are you saying that if they want to, they can write, and record the album "likidy-split", all in one run, within a very short period of time if they decide to do that this time out simply because The Stones do things as they see fit and who cares about what is standard? Or are you saying they may pick and choose from older sessions and record more on top of it in recording this one.  Because they are The Stones and they are constantly trying new things in certain scenarios?

Ian

Ian

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I'm praying for NO another Tattoo  You. I think your talking sound right and as  far I know, extremely logic.

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No. I am not speaking in sound/production what-so-ever. I am speaking of them digging through past albums and mostly older sessions to make up most of the album because they were in such a rush.

I am simply concerned all this gallivanting around the globe for them is eating up their writing and pre-production time so I am hoping another Tattoo You affair would not be needed in where they used almost all old material. I want it mostly fresh. Not left-overs that are worked up. Mind You, no dis-credit to Tattoo You. Tattoo You is a great album ...but that scenario to that extent was a one time deal.  


Ian [/quote]
Ian, what my expectation from the Stones, Is a fresh album, not another as they had already did.
I like Tattoo You.
But we're in the new so called milleniun, and maybe we as a Stones' fans deserve to get a decent album from them.
But ..Gazza had said.. 'They wont promote it', when and who knows, the album will comes out.
He said they had did the same for ABB. All in the same year of the tour.
And there's any necessity that they are in the same continent.
Cause they are all doing other things now.

Bitch wrote on Oct 20^th, 2009 at 6:20am:



Keith dropped a hint in a recent Rolling Stone interview that he'd like to work with him, because they'd done something together a while back. Thats all. Mick hasnt been interviewed lately, so anything in that regard is speculative.

His performance when singing a Rolling Stones song at the Beacon which wasnt suited for him wouldnt have any bearing in his ability to produce a record. I'd love to see Jack White produce a Stones album, because he has something of a midas touch at the minute and would be well suited for them. The songs have to be good though - if they're not, its unfair to expect a producer to be able to polish a turd.

I see no reason to believe that Mick and Keith have done more than fax each other since the "Shine a Light" activity.

Mel Belli wrote on Oct 20^th, 2009 at 8:47am:

I cant find it so hard to believe.

get Mick Taylor back in shape and in the band, Ronnie on bass and final tour announcement and damn it would be bigger than Star Wars.

Lantern_High wrote on Oct 20^th, 2009 at 4:24am:

I'm praying for NO another Tattoo  You. I think your talking sound right and as  far I know, extremely logic.

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No. I am not speaking in sound/production what-so-ever. I am speaking of them digging through past albums and mostly older sessions to make up most of the album because they were in such a rush.

I am simply concerned all this gallivanting around the globe for them is eating up their writing and pre-production time so I am hoping another Tattoo You affair would not be needed in where they used almost all old material. I want it mostly fresh. Not left-overs that are worked up. Mind You, no dis-credit to Tattoo You. Tattoo You is a great album ...but that scenario to that extent was a one time deal.  


Ian [/quote]
Ian, what my expectation from the Stones, Is a fresh album, not another as they had already did.
I like Tattoo You.
But we're in the new so called milleniun, and maybe we as a Stones' fans deserve to get a decent album from them.

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*I totaly "expect" a fresh new album of new stuff as well. TY is great but still ....in this day and age I'd expect new stuff mostly .....if not, might as well hang it up if ya can't write and record mostly new stuff anymore. I don't want left-overs. I want some NEW stuff.


But ..Gazza had said.. 'They wont promote it', when and who knows, the album will comes out.

He said they had did the same for ABB. All in the same year of the tour.

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*Not really...Mick and Keith got together to write and started demos in June of 2004 at Micks and started writing stuff for ABB then ....and that album was relatively enough a fast put together album for them. It's now October ...I am assuming somethings been done between them.



Ian

Ian on the new Stones album-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA&feature=player_embedded

Ian Billen wrote on Oct 20^th, 2009 at 9:23pm:


Aside from the odd cricket match or Paris business meeting, there's been absolutely nothing to indicate any kind of interaction, let alone creative activity, in the Stones camp whatsoever. They are the personal equivalent of the Balkans.

Some Guy wrote on Oct 20^th, 2009 at 7:41pm:



There ya go. Ronnie, Mick, a pussy hound named Bill, Keith and Charlie.

Just like the good old days.

Lantern_High wrote on Oct 21^st, 2009 at 11:27am:


And maybe Blondie playing guitar,Chuck on keyboards and Lisa dancing all over the stage!!!
Wait a minute...that´s actually the band!!!!!! 

Well Don Was is finishing up with Stone Temple Pilots on their new album (i am lookin forward to hearin it).

...and I don't think he's been with The Stones to my knowledge from his schedule lately ...so what "if" Jack White does actually have the job of Producing the next Stones album??

Is he up to that task??? He's never had that much weight on his shoulders. Will he be a good fit, or would he be too sheepish in letting them do everything their way? I can't see him stepping up to the plate and trying to sway them in any musical direction if they want to do things one way.

Would he be in over his head? Remember, he's relatively a young dude whos never really produced anyone close to that big (especially in the gravity of their name). Would he lack the back bone of actually running the show and suggesting/telling The Rolling Stones what needs to be done and how?

(not that I know Don Was ever truly put his foot down either However I am real pleased with the stuff he's done with them...but are we jumping from the frying pan into the fire with even MORE of the same in letting The Stones do it all THEIR way with out much push and kick in the butt???)

This may be a good point to ponder.


Ian

Well put, chances of that happening ? Close to zero !

Hehe, the second part is probably is the easy one

Jack White's current task is touring Europe with The Dead Weather.
Once that's done they're going to finish recording their second album.

Why not just get the whole band into the studio like the old days. Lots of booze drugs and me holding a gun? See what happens........

Gazza wrote on Oct 24^th, 2009 at 12:04pm:


Gazza: Mick DOES indeed write 'good stuff' (or did, last time he released anything - over four years ago) - he's also however capable at the same time of turgid, juvenile nonsense (ONNYA, Streets of love, Neocon) I'd rather he had someone who could have the balls to stand up to him (like Rubin did) and tell him when his stuff isnt up to par than be surrounded by yes-men who will tell him his shit doesnt stink.

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My reply: *I understand where your coming from.



Gazza: The amount of material written solely or largely by Keith which he has released in any shape of form since 1994 barely amounts to ten or twelve songs.

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*My reply: Solely (meaning on his own entirely) Keith hasn't done much since 94 . Your right. I am saying when writing WITH Mick he still is a viable component of that song writing team. Well ....hopefully he still is...


Ian

Depends what you mean by "writing together", Voodoo Residue proves they still bounce(d) very early song ideas off one another with the other one helping out. Apart from starting from a blank piece of paper like Macca and Costello did in 1987 for some songs it's hard to do any "better" I'd say.

[quote author=Gazza link=1255925637/50#54 date=1256489893]They generally dont write songs from scratch together (mainly because they lead different lives, dont mix together and dont even live on the same continent), but they will get together before a recording session and put their heads together, see what each other has and flesh a few ideas out.

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Yeah. This is what they seem to be doin more from how they talk about how things went in the writing process any more. I just WISH they would also start from scratch as they did often a long time ago in the 1960's. Half the songs they produced in the 70's were written while the two were apart as well...then the other might of changed it or reworked it or added the lyrics. Don't get me wrong ....the songs would not be the same on half of them if they didn't try and alter what the other one has come up with in their time apart but still I do WISH they tried writing the lot of them from scratch together as they used to in thew 60's for the most part.

Ian

Don't hang around 'cause two's a crowd
On their cloud baby

Ian Billen wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2009 at 12:31am:


According to Weiland, STP will be completing their new album in early 2010.

www.spinner.com/2009/10/27/stone-temple-pilots-plan-new-album-and-long-tour-in-2...

Gazza wrote on Oct 29^th, 2009 at 5:34pm:


I think personally every artist/band has their golden period, their best, when what they did was like magic, they can never go back & recapture that, let's face it, The Stones had their best period already, or what Gazza mentioned,  was artistically driven, I think we're expecting to much from them, their in their 60's now, there will never be another Beggar's Banquet, LIB, or whatever album we think was the best, if they did, it would be a miracle.

Well look I certainly realize another magnitude album like LIB or Beggars is out of the possibility now. I also realize The stones gave more much MORE than one could expect from a band though all these years, and after all they been through. I mean .....they brushed all of it off and kept on rolling. What more can a fan ask for. As well, they still make very good records as Gazza stated. Better than a good 90% of whats out there. For example if ABB was from a new band I'd have to say "hey .....these guys are good". And for crimony's sake these dudes are in their 60's!

HOWEVER, why not at-least TRY to get back to doing things the way they used to in hopes of putting out the very best possible product. I think they really DO care if the record is good. I think they really DO care about their rep as a recording act to a good degree.

Who cares where they live now... ya know. They can do anything they want ....heck they can rent a place all on the same street or rent or go anywhere they want and do it any way they want. So why not get back to their roots as when they used ton put out truly great things? At least it could change it up a bit now in hopes of putting out the best possible stuff.

Do you think anyone in their camp thought of it? I'm sure at one juncture or another it crossed someones mind.


Ian

left shoe shuffle wrote on Oct 29^th, 2009 at 10:46pm:



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It's certainly a possibility....

Thing is, the music would probably have that Rocky sound and vibe yet while still being "Stonzey"...

Keith could pick up that sled with the rest of the band sitting in it during some of the sessions just to show he's still got it.  

What a great concept.  


Ian