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Update on Mick Taylor and article
Sep 12th, 2009 at 6:19pm
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Mick has NOT confirmed any new tour date yet, he will return to hospital in October for a check up of his lungs


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The Rolling Stone who's stony broke: Why Mick Taylor lives in a rundown Suffolk semi with a shabby car

By Bob Graham
Last updated at 11:22 PM on 12th September 2009
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It is a curious effect of the passage of time that The Rolling Stones are now as much admired for their business acumen as for their rock and roll. Nearly half a century after their rebellious beginnings, the Stones remain the world’s highest-earning rock stars.

Their albums have made them £250million and their spectacular tours have grossed upwards of £1.8billion.

Mick Jagger, whose androgynous sneer was once so feared by The Establishment, is now canny Sir Mick with a £225million fortune and palatial homes on three continents.

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Unpaid bills:Mick Taylor believes he could be owed millions of pounds in royalties

Even guitarist Ronnie Wood, a relative newcomer who was only made a full member of the band in 1990, was estimated to be worth £70million during his recent divorce.

All of which is a source of bitter amusement to the shambling figure in a dark grey duffel coat, stopping to light his umpteenth cigarette of the day as he walks from his ramshackle cottage in rural Suffolk to the village shop.

Mick Taylor is Ronnie Wood’s direct predecessor and the musical virtuoso behind the Rolling Stones’ golden age.

When the band announced six weeks ago that it was switching record labels from EMI to Universal, much was made of the continuing selling power of classic albums such as Exile On Main Street, Let It Bleed and Sticky Fingers – all made in an astonishingly productive five-year period between 1969 and 1974, when Taylor was the Stones’ lead guitarist.

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Rolling in it: Mick Jagger and Mick Taylor together on stage in 1972

Taylor, who replaced the erratic Brian Jones, played guitar on Honky Tonk Women, Wild Horses, Angie, It’s Only Rock And Roll and a host of other classic tracks.

He was present at the height of the band’s decadent excess at Nellcote in the South of France in the summer of 1971 and on the legendary tours of America in 1969 and 1972-73.
Yet Taylor walked away from the band at the height of its musical powers.

And while Jagger, Keith Richards, Bill Wyman and Charlie Watts have become fabulously wealthy on the back of music he helped make, Taylor scrapes a hand-to-mouth existence by playing pub gigs and hasn’t seen a penny in royalties from the Rolling Stones since 1982.

For years, he has refused to discuss his time as a Stone and has brushed off the two questions that have dogged him ever since: why did he leave, and does he regret it?

Now, 61-year-old Taylor has broken his silence in an extraordinary interview with The Mail on Sunday.

It is clear that the scruffy, two-bedroom semi where he has lived for the past 20 years hardly fits the image of a former Rolling Stone. The tiny house in a Suffolk country lane is in serious need of repair and redecoration.

‘Yeah, I know it needs doing,’ he said dismissively. ‘I just don’t feel up for it right now.’

Even less edifying is the unopened stack of bills and threats to cut off the water, electricity and gas. The uncut grass, empty cans in the kitchen sink and the ancient car parked in the driveway with weeds growing through its wheels also tell a tale.

The thick-set Taylor has none of the dandyish elegance of Jagger or the outlaw chic of Keith Richards. His once-golden mane of hair is streaked with grey. He is jowly and far heavier than in his prime – the legacy, he admits, of years of drug abuse.

‘People are always asking me whether I regret leaving the Rolling Stones,’ he said. ‘I make no bones about it – had I remained with the band, I would probably be dead.

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Mick Taylor's rundown Suffolk semi

'I was having difficulties with drug addiction and couldn’t have lasted. But I’m clean now and have been for years.

‘My life is so much better now than being a drug-ravaged member of the Stones. So no, I don’t regret leaving.

‘But people who really know me ask another question – whether I regret joining the Stones. To me, that’s far more astute.’

In truth, Taylor has always been ambivalent about the Stones – a fact that explains in part why he has never pursued what he believes may be millions of pounds in unpaid royalties.

For all his undoubted virtuosity on the electric guitar, he was never a huge fan of the band and found their brand of bar-room rock and roll musically limited.

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Mick Taylor's old car decays in the overgrown garden

‘When they asked me to come to the studio in 1969, I thought they just wanted me to play a session,’ he recalled. ‘I sort of liked them, but was never passionate about the Stones. In some ways I liked The Beatles more.

‘At the first session, I overdubbed the guitar on Honky Tonk Women, but I thought they were all a little bit vain and full of themselves.

‘After doing guitar parts on three songs, I said to Mick and Keith, “If you guys are just going to sit and mess around, I’m going home. I’ve got things to do.” I told them to give me a call if they wanted me to do anything else.

‘The next day, Mick called and asked if I wanted to join. He came and picked me up in his Bentley. I wasn’t impressed by all that and I think they kind of liked that attitude.

‘Part of the charm of the Rolling Stones, as far as I could see, was that they were not technically very good but were very raw and had great ideas.’

Taylor was always set apart from the rest of the band, who had already been together for seven years by the time he joined.

He was five years younger than his bandmates and a far more gifted instrumentalist, having toured for three years with the influential John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers.

Furthermore, as a fitter’s son from Hatfield, Hertfordshire, he was genuinely working class, while the Stones were middle-class boys pretending to be rough.

From January 1971, he also had a daughter, Chloe, to support from a short-lived marriage to his first wife, Rosie.

His first public appearance with the band was the Stones’ huge free concert in Hyde Park, which became an impromptu memorial for the band’s founder and original guitarist Brian Jones, who had been found dead two days earlier.

Taylor’s influence on the band was immediately appreciated by critics and fans alike for his brilliant, fluid guitar-playing. And climbing aboard the Stones’ rollercoaster gave him access to an extraordinary world he had never even dreamed of.

‘There was as much sex as you wanted,’ he smiled. ‘That was part of being a rock musician, especially in America. And they always had people around them telling them how great they were and to try some of this or that. I hated that.

'Keith in particular was surrounded by people telling him how great he was when he could hardly keep his eyes open.’

Taylor revealed that around 1972-73, Keith’s drug-taking became a serious problem.

‘Several times the band almost broke up,’ he said. ‘Keith had his own separate social scene and it was obvious there was a lot of drug-taking. There were also problems travelling to certain countries because of all the drug convictions.

‘When I left John Mayall I was a London musician with London friends. But because the band wanted to live in France to be tax exiles, I was forced to go along with them.

'I didn’t need to be a tax exile, I didn’t have financial problems to hide. It was all very well being with the Stones and apparently making all this money – although no one really knew how much because it was all on paper – but I was losing my friends and missing the scene in London.

'I began to realise how big an effect the Stones was having on my life.’

By now Taylor was also dabbling with narcotics. ‘It began as an occasional recreational thing,’ he explained. ‘I never thought I would get addicted. But by the time I returned to London in 1973, I’d become more and more dependent. I was using every day.

‘By 1974, I felt I’d gone as far as I could with the band. I didn’t think they’d stay together. The records were doing well but the band was falling apart – it was in chaos.

‘Mick and Keith weren’t talking or working together and it was taking longer and longer to make the albums. So as well as Keith’s addiction there was Mick’s frustration and my own disenchantment and disillusionment with them.’

And Taylor confided: ‘I was a bit impulsive back then. I had a reputation on stage of being quiet, but off it I wasn’t. We used to fight and argue all the time. And one of the things I got angry about was that Mick had promised to give me some credit for some of the songs – and he didn’t.

‘I believed I’d contributed enough. Let’s put it this way – without my contribution those songs would not have existed. There’s not many but enough, things like Sway and Moonlight Mile on Sticky Fingers and a couple of others.

'I took offence and that was a contributory factor in my departure. But I’d never seen being with the Stones as a permanent thing.

‘When I told the Stones’ office I was leaving, they asked for my gold Amex card. Mick tried to persuade me to stay, but I told him I was fed up and how my drug problems were beginning to worry me.

'Mick suggested taking six months off, but I’ve never been good at taking advice. Maybe I should have listened.’

Given all that, it is perhaps not surprising that it was not an amicable split. ‘When I left, they cut off my money for a year, just like that,’ said Taylor. ‘But I had to leave because
I was frustrated.

‘I had a creative relationship with Mick, but I was also bored for a lot of the time. I wanted more and they wanted to remain the same. I also wanted to deal with my drug problems. I believed if I removed myself from that situation I would sort myself out.’

But life outside the band was not easy. Taylor divorced Rose, sold his gold records, moved to New York and squandered most of his money on heroin and cocaine. ‘I was addicted then, using anything I could get,’ he said.

The downward spiral continued even when he flew back to Hertfordshire to sit at his father’s deathbed.

‘My father was dying of liver cancer and was in terrible pain in hospital,’ Taylor recalled. ‘He said he knew I’d been using drugs and asked if I would ask the nurses for stronger painkillers. I did and they gave him morphine. I sat there trying to balance the irony of the situation.

'My father needed morphine to ease his pain and there was me, addicted to the stuff for pleasure. I was so disgusted, I felt numb.’

Taylor moved to Los Angeles in 1990 and enrolled at a methadone clinic in Hollywood Boulevard.

‘I joined the line of junkies. I was a virtual down and out,’ he admitted. ‘My lowest time was in the clinic on Christmas Day. A nurse gave me a tumbler of methadone and said, “Have a nice Christmas.”

'I told her there wasn’t any Christmas for junkies. I decided to go back to England to find a cure, however painful.’

Since the end of his marriage to his second wife, an American called Valerie,  Taylor has lived on his own and rarely sees his daughter Chloe, or Emma, a second daughter by a one-time backing singer with his band.

But he still plays music with friends, including former Jeff Beck keyboard player Max Middleton, ex-Manfred Mann guitarist Denny Newman and ex-Snowy White drummer Jeff Allen.

On the days he has some money, he roots through the stack of bills and pays the ones he can. When he doesn’t, which is often, he phones his friends and suggests they play a few gigs in local pubs and clubs, living out of the back of a Transit van.

But what about his royalties from the Stones? ‘In 1982 they stopped paying me. They’d signed to a different record company and had new contracts and were advised they didn’t need to pay me any more,’ explained Taylor with a shrug.

‘Until then, I’d had a contract with Rolling Stones Records which was licensed to Atlantic Records – the same contract as the rest of the band.’

The deal gave him an equal share of performing royalties, though Jagger and Richards shared the writers’ royalties. But when the Atlantic contract expired, the band’s management used a loophole in Taylor’s contract to stop all payments.

‘I should have got a lawyer,’ he said. ‘But instead I called them rude words and asked how they could just stop paying me. They all know it’s not right. In fact it is outrageous. They get all the money and I get the plaudits and praise, even from Mick.

‘I’ve tried to talk to Mick a couple of times, but I realise that hiring a lawyer is probably the only way they’ll take me seriously. But they figure I’m not going to do anything about it.’

Taylor thinks for a moment, then adds: ‘I’m going to do something about it because it’s morally wrong to cut my royalties for those six albums
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That sucks and it's so unfair MICK T has not been collecting royalties since 1982! But come on, man, 1982 was 27 years ago! Why didnt he hire a lawyer back then? It's a bit late now, isnt it? Oh poor MICK T, he's a broken down man. I really feel sorry that he didnt speak up for his rights years ago! What was he afraid of? The worst that could of happened is that they determined NO, he isnt entitled to any royalties, but anything he could of gotten all those years would be better than nothing, even if they threw him a very small percentage!! That's a fvcking shame.
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It is still bewildering to think that Taylor, much like his home, is in such a state of disrepair...

great article though...thanx VooDoo
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>Mick suggested taking six months off, but I’ve never been good at taking advice. Maybe I should have listened.’ <

I wish he had listened.  Too late now but it's outrageous that he is being cheated out of royalties.  I hope he gets a shark of an attorney and goes after what is rightfully his.
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Interesting article. Thanks for posting Voodoo. Pretty harsh life Mick has led and it just makes you shake your head at the cold hard callousness of Jagger and Keith and the band's management.
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So what's the other side then Nellie?
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i have a sneeking feeling the stones are not going to pony up millions in back royalties.  i do not think this will happen and if it does i will eat my hat.  best of luck there mick.

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Sad Sad Sad

Coupla things though:
The article says the Stones left EMI for Universal "six weeks ago".
That deal was signed last year.

And why no mention of MT's recent ill health/recovery?    
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Nellcote wrote on Sep 12th, 2009 at 7:12pm:
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So what's the other side then Nellie?

I would think there is more to this story than what Mick Taylor is claiming.
 
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No doubt, but if true, the bit about "using a loophole" in his contract to stop his royalties is pretty shameful.

Considering the fact that the current four band members have a collective worth in excess of $1 billion, it would hardly kill them to help the guy out financially. Reading stuff like this, I'm actually embarrassed for them.

Taylor may have made some bad decisions in his life, but someone who's made the contribition to the Stones' music that he has shouldn't be treated in the way he has been.

I hope he sues the greedy, soulless bastards.  Not that they'll miss a few million.
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No doubt, but if true, the bit about "using a loophole" in his contract to stop his royalties is pretty shameful.

Considering the fact that the current four band members have a collective worth in excess of $1 billion, it would hardly kill them to help the guy out financially. Reading stuff like this, I'm actually embarrassed for them.

Taylor may have made some bad decisions in his life, but someone who's made the contribition to the Stones' music that he has shouldn't be treated in the way he has been.

I hope he sues the greedy, soulless bastards.  Not that they'll miss a few million.



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He did show up with them at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony.
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I don't think his house looks at all rundown. It looks like a cozy and relaxing cottagey place to live.  Still it seems like if there is a re-release of Exile and any material that he contributed to there should be a lawyer that could get his fair share at least of performances.  at least for health care. I mean geez. have a heart
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I keep editing my post.   Mick Taylor needs to come out with the songs that he claims he was author of and prove it.  There is a need for some ego and backbone here.  I think he suffers from depression and self esteem issues. OBVIOUSLY to you and me WE APPRECIATE HIS CONTRIBUTION and maybe the stones for this reason do not play or release the songs that MT was author of.  IN that case, he needs to go directly to the source and ask for a sum.  Of course we do not know the verbatim of his contracts.

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that aside,

If anybody knows Mick Taylor.  Tell him to contact Rhythm and Blues Foundation, Howell Begle or Bonnie Raitt who can help him establish royalties through their lawyer contacts and especially becuase of their relationship with Ahmet Ertegun and Atlantic Records.

They have helped numerous artists in this situation.

EMI did an endowment for this purpose. Howell is a great person.  I was lucky to have worked for him.  Ruth Brown, Charles Brown, the Drifters and the Clovers and many other artists have receivd funds for medical and contractual assistance for further economic benefit.  (some of it from R&B Foundation fundraising, which I don't think takes place anymore)

It seems like Atlantic Records and Stones should work together to consider this situation in some way.
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The whole Mick Taylor story to me is disturbing and so typical of most of the musicians out there.

It doesn't matter how god damn talented you are if you are a lazy fucking bastard.  Mick COULD have been okay if he had gotten out of the Stones, recorded right away, went on the road, and had a career for himself.  The writing was on the wall over 30 years ago for all of this.

He waited over 5 years to release his first solo record and the thing isn't even that good.  What the fuck was he doing for all that time?  I know he wasn't busy writing good music because Stone Alone is a wash.

I kinda felt bad for him for a while, but you just can't.  He wasn't fired from the Stones.  He left.  No one told him he couldn't make a go of it on his own.  He chose to wait all those years to release a solo album.  He was the one that chose to let himself go.  He was the one that wanted to live only on his short time in the Stones and that is all.

I saw a DVD of him from around 2007.  It was sad.  He didn't play all that well.  Don't get me wrong, SOMETIMES you could hear the real Mick Taylor in there BEGGING to come out, but his fingers were fumbling over each other and he just didn't have the magic anymore.  At this point in the game - and i hate to say it because his role on the tour was SHIT - I would take a 1999 Ronnie over a 2009 Mick Taylor.  At least Ronnie "looks" the part and can sort of live up to what it means to be a Stone. 

Mick Taylor was good, but seeing that DVD changed my feelings about him.  His legacy remains, but he needs to stay far, far away from the Stones and just get healthy.  I don't want any discussion of him sitting in or joining them for a show (not that it's happening, but still...).

He's a mess and only has himself to blame.
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Sad to say his further playing and his later output has no bearing but for what he contributed and wrote for which royalties were produced.  (From what I've read its Sway, Moonlight Mile and Ventilator Blues) but we all know how great his performances were for ANGIE.  Since there maybe is not much royalty from those 3 for which he has actual credit
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As far as I understand royalties, there are songwriter's credits and arrangers credits, the latter of which is usually split equally among band members so everyone gets a piece of the action, not only the guys who get their names under the songs. 

In that case, one fifth of the arranger's credits for Ya Yas (he probably just got a session fee for LIB), Sticky (second biggest seller ever, no?), Exile, Soup, and IORR, plus a bit on TY since 1982 would appear to me to be a substantial amount of money.  Indeed in the millions.
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It's a shame, but that's what drug addiction will do, by not going after his royalties back then, he was probably so sick, & surrounded by all the wrong people, people not looking out for his best interests, that he passed on that, I have heard his wife at the time, Rose, was a real piece of work, she once almost killed Angie Bowie by giving her uncut heroin to snort, & she thought it was Cocaine, she feel on the pavement & almost crack her skull (that's in AB book "Backstage passes") she calls her a witch, but the drugs & the hanger on's must have been really bad, like Mick said, if he didn't leave The Stones he would have been dead.
Look at Ronnie, he hasn't got that Keef toughness to handle Booze & drugs, I certainly think Mick T. deserves the royalties for those songs, some of which is practically his (Can You Hear Me Knocking/Sway/Time Waits For no one/Moonlight Mile) & a lot from Exile & GHS, like Gazza mentioned earlier, The Stones can certainly afford to give him some money, they probably wouldn't miss a couple of million at all.
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Check this video, at 6:23 is Mick playing slide with his Les Paul and at minute 5:36 Chuck Leavell

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Zack wrote on Sep 13th, 2009 at 2:19am:
As far as I understand royalties, there are songwriter's credits and arrangers credits, the latter of which is usually split equally among band members so everyone gets a piece of the action, not only the guys who get their names under the songs.  

In that case, one fifth of the arranger's credits for Ya Yas (he probably just got a session fee for LIB), Sticky (second biggest seller ever, no?), Exile, Soup, and IORR, plus a bit on TY since 1982 would appear to me to be a substantial amount of money.  Indeed in the millions.



There are royalties for songwriting, publishing, and performing. I see no reason why Taylor shouldn't be receiving the latter, and I'd love to hear an explanation on the contract "loophole." Sounds fishy...
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Voo, thanks for the posting.

Mick Taylor's saga just makes me fucking sad at this point.  

He should get a lawyer and fight to get his dues, but at this  stage of the game, he lacks the strenght, endurance and the finances to do so.

I would like Mick or Keith to pay him out, but I know they will not.  
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Lightnin' (from IORR) adds this little postscript to the Mail On Sunday's 'interview' :



Mick T did not know about this article and would not have wanted it to be printed. Furthermore, he's very disappointed with Bob Graham (an old schoolfriend from Hatfield who went on to become a journalist).
Over 10 years ago Mick T discussed with Bob the possibilities of doing a book or a feature in The Observer. Bob G had one lengthy conversation with Mick on the condition everything they talked about would remain private.
In January 2007 the Daily Mail published an awful article accompanied by a photograph (taken with a long lens) which showed Mick T walking back from the Post Office. Bob Graham passed on a message to Mick in which he condemned what the tabloid had done.
Early 2009 Bob talked Mick's manager into letting him spend some time on the road with the band. Mick's German booking agent paid for the hotelrooms and expenses. The article for The Times that BG claimed he was working on was going to help raise the band's profile, he said. Bob sat down to talk with each of the musicians in the band. For some reason, Mick T didn't feel comfortable about the situation so he decided against giving an interview.
BG subsequently stabbed Mick T in the back by selling his story to the Daily Mail - and the newspaper altered it to make it as sensational as possible. Mick T is now considering legal action because of the slanderous nature of the article.
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