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Heart Of Stone Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules Posts: 4,001 Charlottetown Prince Edward Is Gender:	Re: Previously unseen Altamont footage Reply #1 - Jun 1^st, 2009 at 4:56pm Thanks for sharing this, interesting to see Crosby, Stills & Nash footage from this event, never seen that before, even though it's a old video camera, besides Flying B.B. & J.Airplane, who else exactly played there? Santana? this was a huge festival like Woodstock, there must have been other bands booked to play.
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Tumbled Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 1,206 Gender:	Re: Previously unseen Altamont footage Reply #2 - Jun 1^st, 2009 at 4:59pm December 6, 1969 order of appearance Santana Jefferson Airplane The Flying Burrito Brothers Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young Rolling Stones Grateful dead declined to go on due to the violence taking place.
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Tumbled Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 1,206 Gender:	Re: Previously unseen Altamont footage Reply #3 - Jun 1^st, 2009 at 5:07pm It was free too. Interesting that the filmer mentions that there was a rumor that there was a death threat against jagger but it was unsubstantiated still an interesting angle into why the hells angels were so nasty that day
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Re: Previously unseen Altamont footage
Reply #4 - Jun 1^st, 2009 at 5:15pm

as much as i enjoy this movie it would have been great if they had filmed more daylight footage from other bands and included it into the film.

hopefully, someday they will come out with a directors cut edition like they did recently with the woodstock movie. give some exta behind the scenes and bonus stuff. bring it on, i say.

nice clip tumbled.

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Saint Sway Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 2,356	Re: Previously unseen Altamont footage Reply #5 - Jun 1^st, 2009 at 5:16pm I'm going to predict that the fine folks at Stones Fan Asylum will one day charge $350 a ticket to see this footage along with a Q&A cocktail session with the photographer at a Blondie Chapin & "Special Guests" club show
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Re: Previously unseen Altamont footage
Reply #6 - Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 5:48am

Tumbled wrote on Jun 1^st, 2009 at 5:07pm:

It was free too. Interesting that the filmer mentions that there was a rumor that there was a death threat against jagger but it was unsubstantiated still an interesting angle into why the hells angels were so nasty that day

Well I do believe Meredith Hunter may have been trying to shoot Mick since reports indicate he was whacked out of his head on drugs and pissed at his girlfriend for telling him she thought Mick was cute...he *was* charging the stage and pulled out a gun...Mick didn't seem to know about it until after, but Hunter may have been trying to take a shot at him...

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Reply #7 - Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 9:43am

My take on it was that the filmer thought there were rumors ahead of time amongst the hells angels that there were death threats so maybe they were in high alert and that's why they were so evil beating up everyone.... did meredith hunter make a threatening action and pull the gun before he was defending himself? I guess we will never know.

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Reply #8 - Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 11:14am

Tumbled wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 9:43am:

My take on it was that the filmer thought there were rumors ahead of time amongst the hells angels that there were death threats so maybe they were in high alert and that's why they were so evil beating up everyone.... did meredith hunter make a threatening action and pull the gun before he was defending himself? I guess we will never know.

He charged the stage and was beaten back by the Angels earlier in the Stones set (you can even see some of this in Gimme Shelter) and then when he charged the last time he pulled out the gun and that's when he was stabbed and stomped to death...

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Reply #9 - Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 11:39am

StonesFanatic wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 11:14am:

Tumbled wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 9:43am:

My take on it was that the filmer thought there were rumors ahead of time amongst the hells angels that there were death threats so maybe they were in high alert and that's why they were so evil beating up everyone.... did meredith hunter make a threatening action and pull the gun before he was defending himself? I guess we will never know.

He charged the stage and was beaten back by the Angels earlier in the Stones set (you can even see some of this in Gimme Shelter) and then when he charged the last time he pulled out the gun and that's when he was stabbed and stomped to death...

oh. ..

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Re: Previously unseen Altamont footage
Reply #10 - Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 12:45pm

Tumbled wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 11:39am:

StonesFanatic wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 11:14am:

Tumbled wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 9:43am:

My take on it was that the filmer thought there were rumors ahead of time amongst the hells angels that there were death threats so maybe they were in high alert and that's why they were so evil beating up everyone.... did meredith hunter make a threatening action and pull the gun before he was defending himself? I guess we will never know.

He charged the stage and was beaten back by the Angels earlier in the Stones set (you can even see some of this in Gimme Shelter) and then when he charged the last time he pulled out the gun and that's when he was stabbed and stomped to death...

oh. ..

No probs! Have you seen Gimme Shelter, it's essential viewing (not just for the crazy shit at Altamont, either!)

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corgi37 Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,559 Aussie land Gender:	Re: Previously unseen Altamont footage Reply #11 - Jun 3^rd, 2009 at 6:28am Not long before he's killed, you can clearly see Hunter near the stage. I mean, really near it. He gets a split second close up. Pretty easy to see him in his green suit.
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platter Ex Member	Re: Previously unseen Altamont footage Reply #12 - Jun 3^rd, 2009 at 4:24pm is it me or does merideth sound a rather feminine name? for the longest time i thought the dude was a chick.
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Re: Previously unseen Altamont footage
Reply #13 - Jun 3^rd, 2009 at 4:33pm

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as much as i enjoy this movie it would have been great if they had filmed more daylight footage from other bands and included it into the film. hopefully, someday they will come out with a directors cut edition like they did recently with the woodstock movie. give some exta behind the scenes and bonus stuff. bring it on, i say.

nice clip tumbled.

Are you fucking serious?

Not at the expense of the glorious footage of the MSG shows.

I suppose in a 90 minute film earmarked for a cinema release, there's a limit to how much they're going to include, but I can see your point if there was some kind of director's cut.

However, they reissued the movie on DVD a few years ago with some bonus footage - although the Stones clips were covers. That would suggest that - as seems to be the norm with dealing with anything from the ABKCO era - there's some legal minefield about using old Jagger-Richards songs.

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Reply #15 - Jun 3^rd, 2009 at 8:24pm

the whole weekend sounded like an epic. from what i heard is that the stones waited several hours to come onstage since the last band played...it could very well have been 4-5 hours and people were getting totally wasted and stoned in the hot sun and were getting very edgy. i don't think it was right of the stones to do this...they were lucky they made it out alive.

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Reply #16 - Jun 4^th, 2009 at 6:10am

It was just a one day event - not a weekend.

You're right about them keeping the crowd waiting - dont know if it was as long as that though - Jagger's excuse was that "my make up looks better at night" Blank Frigging Stare

(as if that would have been noticed in a crowd of 300,000 where only a couple of thousand people would have had a decent look at his face). They were pretty notorious on that tour for going on very very late though - at a couple of early shows it was maybe about 4 hours and one of the LA Forum shows wasn't over until something like 3-4 am.

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Zack Rocks Off Regular Offline Chiba Face Rules You Bastards! Posts: 1,727 Dakar Gender:	Re: Previously unseen Altamont footage Reply #17 - Jun 4^th, 2009 at 6:44am Not sure if the Dead not going on was the cause of the long gap before the Stones that led to more violence. I can't imagine it being planned out that specifically amid such chaos. Certainly a 30-minute Dark Star might have calmed down the crowd. In hindsight, the Dead should have played. They all admit it.
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Gazza Unholy Trinity Admin Online Rat Bastid "We piss anywhere, man.." Posts: 13,213 Belfast, UK Gender:	Re: Previously unseen Altamont footage Reply #18 - Jun 4^th, 2009 at 7:31am I thought the Dead had been earmarked for the closing slot of the night - no?
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Reply #20 - Jun 4^th, 2009 at 10:34am

Gazza wrote on Jun 4^th, 2009 at 7:31am:

I thought the Dead had been earmarked for the closing slot of the night - no?

Right, after CSNY but before the Stones. That would have given the sun the time to set so Jagger's makeup could look better under the lights (or so some cynical rendition of the story goes . . . )

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Tumbled Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 1,206 Gender:	Re: Previously unseen Altamont footage Reply #21 - Jun 4^th, 2009 at 10:58am The dead would have cheered things up for sure before the crowd was plunged back into evil SFTD which didn't help much. poor song choice for a simmering riot
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Keefj200 Rocks Off Regular Offline Ain't I tough enough? Posts: 44 Pensacola, Florida Gender:	Re: Previously unseen Altamont footage Reply #22 - Jun 4^th, 2009 at 2:30pm The Criterion Collection version of Gimme Shelter is essential viewing for anyone on this message board. The extras are truly wonderful. It is well worth the money.
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Re: Previously unseen Altamont footage
Reply #23 - Jun 4^th, 2009 at 3:21pm

Tumbled wrote on Jun 4^th, 2009 at 10:58am:

The dead would have cheered things up for sure before the crowd was plunged back into evil SFTD which didn't help much. poor song choice for a simmering riot

Agree in hindsight, but it was played at every show of the tour and a highlight, perhaps THE highlight, of their set, which didn't change much at all throughout the tour. Besides, SFTD is less evil than, er, tasteful. Cry

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platter Ex Member	Re: Previously unseen Altamont footage Reply #24 - Jun 4^th, 2009 at 3:27pm a 30-45 minute dark star, i think, would have put the crowd to sleep. what an epic the weekend must have been.
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