@gazza - good point that period was very creative and they often say they don't know wha ended on what between LIB, SF and Exile, well especially Mick who's known not to think mch of Exile...

Had missed this on Nico's site : "Sophia Loren (MJ/KR) -unverified long, slow rocker with piano and brass"

Looks like it leakew to the "stone collectors royalty" like Gangster's Maul in 1998, because no one apart from Karnbach had ever mentionned it AFAIK and he gave no details.

Teiz wrote on Jan 4^th, 2010 at 10:24am:


I'm just worried they might bring Chuck in to "Leavall" all over Sophia Laren!

texile wrote on Jan 7^th, 2010 at 9:02pm:



The songs recorded for Exile stretched back over multiple sessions covering a period of a couple of years, Texile. I think it would be a bit pessimistic to just assume that all we'd get was a sonically improved version of the same 90 minutes or so of music that's circulated on various bootlegs. Every major act who has released studio archive releases down the years has managed to put out plenty of material that hadn't been bootlegged and in many cases didn't even know existed.

Have to say I didn't expect any new/previously unheard of TITLES to be unearthed. And the nme.com story the other today regarding the 2010 tour mentions 'a host of unreleased songs' including the three which have been specifically named. Whether that means more actual outtakes or merely alternate versions of released tracks is conjecture at the minute. Probably the latter, but I'm hopeful there'll be several alternate takes which we haven't heard before.

'Travellin' Man' with a finished vocal take would be something to hear.

Wasn't aware of that title, don't think it's in ME's books either (will check) although now that you mention it I wonder if it wasn't listed in that fake bootleg in Hot Wacks, or was it "Something Brigitte Bardot", might be confusing the actresses!

What puzzles me is the "slow rocker with piano and brass" description - that means someone must have heard it, or an insider (Wyman ?) gave some info in an interview. I for one have never seen that hinted elsewhere.

gotdablouse wrote on Jan 8^th, 2010 at 1:32pm:



"Something Brigitte Bardot" (aka 'Something BB') dates from the sessions at RCA Studios, Hollywood in August 1966. It's a 'Between The Buttons' outtake.

Never circulated, but it's existence has been known for some time. Again, I first saw it mentioned in the sessionography listed in David Dalton's 1982 book "The First Twenty Years".

texile wrote on Jan 11^th, 2010 at 4:57pm:



He will do what they tell him to do, and he doesn't say no to a paycheck from The Stones... Would you?

And it produced the best Stones related record this side of...Tattoo You ? And if you go back to a "real" album, Exile ? B2B was pretty good too, but Was didn't produce much on there. Some will say the buck stops at Mick and Keith and if the songs are not that good the producer can't do much about it...other than rejecting them (like Goodrich did for Macca's Chaos), but he certainly could have given them better input on the production and the playing. Since Keith is pretty much "out of commission", it's obvious ABB needed a more competent guitar player than Mick. Waddy Wachtel's presence on B2B certainly helped a lot.

Teiz wrote on Jan 12^th, 2010 at 5:49am:



He could, but after telling Mick stuff he didnt want to hear during the 'Wandering Spirit' sessions, he'll never get the chance to.

well, its a two-way thing. The Stones probably dont want to work with Rubin because neither Mick or Keith could deal with his 'pushy' style - and he probably wouldnt be in a hurry to produce them either.

He's on record as saying that the experience of producing Jagger wasn't particularly positive because Mick is so used to being surrounded by psychophants who tell him his shit doesn't stink that he found it hard to believe a producer would have the balls to say to him "I think you're capable of better than this.."

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Was' involvement in the Exile reissue is, as far as I know, merely confined to mixing the unreleased material.

I doubt it'll matter that much to be honest. [/quote]

I'm hearing classic Stones 72 filtered through Dirty Work gloss....
It still troubles me Gazza..

No they dont.  If they thought that, we'd have had more than 2 cd's in nigh on 13 years!

Just received in the mail today the 2009 version of Emotional Rescue...sounds GREAT!!! Got Undercover/Black and Blue a few weeks ago and they sound great too!!!

Mick's certainly not tone deaf (even if he thinks Exile is overrated), but he's probably more concerned these days at having his ego stroked than he is about going along with some uppity producer's ideas of what makes a good record.

And I shudder to think how Keith would react to Rubin's hands-on style. Probably with knives.