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Re: Remastered Stones update
Reply #125 - Jan 26th, 2010 at 8:25pm
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Some thoughts on the 'Exile' remaster:

The DVD won't be 'Ladies and Gentlemen...'. Too much money to be made as a stand-alone DVD release.
Most likely the DVD will be a 'making of' thingy with lots of talking heads and some snippets of live stuff from the STP tour (maybe a couple shots from 'Ladies and Gents'); lots of brief clips of Capote and Warhol and a few low- res shots from 'Cocksucker Blues'. Standard rock doc type stuff.

Not looking forward to M Taylor doing some new overdubs (any more than Jagger vocals), unless Jagger or Richards are physically present to direct him.

Here's hoping they'll add a cleaned up "Good Time Women" and they extended version of "loving Cup" with that great extended outtro (go Charlie!). "Traveling Man" and the like wouldn't really add much for me.

I can see some tracks from the lost '72 live album from the Spectrum in Philly (not the whole thing with the stuff from Texas, of course; that would make too much sense and make too many people happy- we can't have that).







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Re: Remastered Stones update
Reply #126 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 10:20am
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Gazza wrote on Jan 26th, 2010 at 6:27am:
Can't vouch for the validity of this one, but here goes..


Latest rumour doing the rounds is that in addition to the completed but previously unreleased songs being included in the deluxe version of 'Exile', the band have decided to add a few touches to a few of the unreleased songs which weren't quite finished .......

and that a certain former guitarist who was in the band when the album was recorded has got the call to contribute to the parts that are being overdubbed....

http://www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,1190458,page=4

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Re: Remastered Stones update
Reply #127 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 10:24am
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Yeah man, I'm sure he is  

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Never said he was...!
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Re: Remastered Stones update
Reply #128 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 3:12pm
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Wow, Matt Clifford returns !
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Jagger has dispatched Matt Clifford to a studio with nine unfinished songs for Mick Taylor to put overdubs on

I never understood why he'd been booted from the Stones, Keith doesn't like him?
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There were Exile tracks that Jagger did with Taylor sans keith though. The whole thing is weird, but it is the Stones we're discussing!

Mick and Mick had written 11 tracks for Exile? Odd, wonder if that's not stuff like Separately, Potted Shrimp, etc...
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Reply #129 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 3:55pm
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when might this be released??
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Re: Remastered Stones update
Reply #130 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 3:56pm
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12 May , or thereabouts. The anniversary of the original release date.
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Reply #131 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 4:00pm
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gotdablouse wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 3:12pm:
Wow, Matt Clifford returns !
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Jagger has dispatched Matt Clifford to a studio with nine unfinished songs for Mick Taylor to put overdubs on

I never understood why he'd been booted from the Stones, Keith doesn't like him?
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There were Exile tracks that Jagger did with Taylor sans keith though. The whole thing is weird, but it is the Stones we're discussing!

Mick and Mick had written 11 tracks for Exile? Odd, wonder if that's not stuff like Separately, Potted Shrimp, etc...


I dont think its suggesting that the two Micks wrote a lot of songs together (which they didnt)

Clifford still does a lot of technical stuff with Jagger, especially when he's demoing. He's credited on A Bigger Bang.

'Separately' was a GHS track, so it comes from after 'Exile'.
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Reply #132 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 4:50pm
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That's true, I'm wondering if they haven't rounded a bunch of ureleased stuff from the 1970-1972 period though to throw it in there; other than a few die-hards no one would know the difference anyway, we'll see!

Yes Clifford stayed closely associated with Mick although it seems something happened during the recording of WS as an early 1992 Vanity Fair article had Mick and Matt playing an early version of "Don't Tear Me Up" and he was described as Mick's "musical aide de camp" (or something like that), but on WS I think he only ended up getting credited on "Angel in My Heart".
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Reply #133 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 7:39pm
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There's very little known about what was recorded at Nellcote (as tends to be the case when recording in someone's home with a mobile recording unit as opposed to a 'regular' studio where you'd imagine studio logs would be a bit easier to track down). Barely half of Exile was recorded at those sessions (and even then, most of those songs werent finished until they went to LA and got various session musicians to add their parts), so you'd imagine that most of what was recorded for Exile but which ISN'T documented somewhere would come from Nellcote - and that as they recorded there on and off for about 3 months, there's a fair chance there would be a few more songs.
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Reply #134 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 7:59pm
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I'm just worried about Dan Wasas, Matt Cliffords and yes, even the Mick Jaggers messing with the original material from those sessions.
Exile was like the culmination of everything the stones had been up to that point: musically, personally, thier relationships - it is a product of that particular time in their history....
Apart from the 'cleaning' up the tracks, the idea of any other tinkering troubles me....
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Reply #135 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 8:04pm
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http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=206595

A "coffee table" box set according to one poster on that forum, quoting the latest issue of 'Rolling Stone'...

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Reply #136 - Feb 5th, 2010 at 8:01am
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Gazza wrote on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 1:01pm:
It's also pretty encouraging to read that, after his initial reluctance, Mick seemed to actually enjoy dipping into the band's archives once he got started.  Maybe a good omen for the future.

Incidentally, thats the first of a two-part interview. The second part will be published on February 15th.




Seems the second part of this interview is available now in the 'XL' supplement of this newspaper, just out today

According to maumau on IORR, there's nothing more about the Exile reissue in it, but if anyone can get a link or a transcript with a translation, please post it.
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Reply #137 - Feb 18th, 2010 at 7:12am
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More 'Exile' reissue gossip, from a post on IORR from 'TeddyB1018'



In lieu of official news, I have assembled the following from a pretty much unimpeachable source, though things can always change: 

In addition to the three Jagger has confirmed, "Following The River", "Plunder My Soul" and "Sophia Loren", look for the following to be on the new CD: "Scarlet" (Stones version, said to be amazing), "Loving Cup" (original version), "I Ain't Signifying" (aka Ain't Gonna Lie), "Aladdin Story" (with unbootlegged original Jagger vocal) and "Soul Survivor" (with original Keith vocal). They are looking to include at least some things that have not been bootlegged in these versions. 

Don't look for these to be on this reissue: "Potted Shrimp" and "Highway Child". At least one of these has been determined to come from the Goats Head Sessions ("Potted Shrimp" I believe).

If this reissue works out, there is talk of following up with Goats Head Soup and, specifically, Some Girls


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Reply #138 - Feb 18th, 2010 at 7:42am
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Ahhhh...getting better all the time. Thanks Gazza for the tidbit to keep us in suspense. Why bother with GHS as far as marketing. Go right to SG where there would be imho much more interest and based on boot availability maybe more to work with? Hell even re-do the cover and update the pics of the women. Joey as Paris Hilton??
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Reply #139 - Feb 18th, 2010 at 7:57am
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A 70 Stones album in 2010? unreal!
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Reply #140 - Feb 18th, 2010 at 8:03am
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Anyone know what "Scarlet" is or has it ever been booted or written about??
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Reply #141 - Feb 18th, 2010 at 8:06am
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Gazza wrote on Feb 18th, 2010 at 7:12am:
More 'Exile' reissue gossip, from a post on IORR from 'TeddyB1018'



In lieu of official news, I have assembled the following from a pretty much unimpeachable source, though things can always change:  

In addition to the three Jagger has confirmed, "Following The River", "Plunder My Soul" and "Sophia Loren", look for the following to be on the new CD: "Scarlet" (Stones version, said to be amazing), "Loving Cup" (original version), "I Ain't Signifying" (aka Ain't Gonna Lie), "Aladdin Story" (with unbootlegged original Jagger vocal) and "Soul Survivor" (with original Keith vocal). They are looking to include at least some things that have not been bootlegged in these versions.  

Don't look for these to be on this reissue: "Potted Shrimp" and "Highway Child". At least one of these has been determined to come from the Goats Head Sessions ("Potted Shrimp" I believe).

If this reissue works out, there is talk of following up with Goats Head Soup and, specifically, Some Girls


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I'm trying to keep myself from freaking out, while still hoping we get the 45 mix of all down the line... that has been booted... ugh!
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Reply #142 - Feb 18th, 2010 at 8:11am
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gimmekeef wrote on Feb 18th, 2010 at 8:03am:
Anyone know what "Scarlet" is or has it ever been booted or written about??


Nico's refers to 'Scarlet' as unverified, and done in '74 (solo KR) and '76 (solo MJ).

Also unknown if it was the same song, or just the same title.
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Reply #143 - Feb 18th, 2010 at 9:01am
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Scarlet...that rings a few bells, from the top of my head it was supposedly recorded with Jimmy Page, I had Montreux 1975 in mind, not 74 or 76, but it certainly has never been bootlegged.

Strange that "Potted Shrimp" should have been determined to be from the GHS sessions, I suppose the fact that these three instrumentals (Aladin Story, Potted Shrimp, Dancing in the Light) all came out on one boot (Trident Demos ?) and said to have been recorded at Elektra in 1972 doesn't mean they were recorded at the same time.
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Reply #144 - Feb 18th, 2010 at 9:21am
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Interesting! Yes, 'good things come to those who wait' an old saying but hopefully true for us Stones-thirsty fans! Gimme little drink, from the loving vaults - just some more music, and we'll fall down, drunk, on newly released old songs! Those are the best songs, back from 'the days' when they were young and fresh. Not that they are unloved now, in their older years, but the 70's are the years we love the most!
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Reply #145 - Feb 18th, 2010 at 9:26am
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gotdablouse wrote on Feb 18th, 2010 at 9:01am:
Scarlet...that rings a few bells, from the top of my head it was supposedly recorded with Jimmy Page, I had Montreux 1975 in mind, not 74 or 76, but it certainly has never been bootlegged.

Strange that "Potted Shrimp" should have been determined to be from the GHS sessions, I suppose the fact that these three instrumentals (Aladin Story, Potted Shrimp, Dancing in the Light) all came out on one boot (Trident Demos ?) and said to have been recorded at Elektra in 1972 doesn't mean they were recorded at the same time.



Elektra, Hollywood late 1972 was what they were originally announced as when first bootlegged, but that wasnt the case. Not even sure they ever DID that session.

They're all on the 'Trident Mixes' tape which got leaked around that time. However, Aladdin Story and Potted Shrimp BOTH come from the same session in October 1970. Maybe Potted Shrimp got redone/finished for GHS and thats why it wasnt shortlisted? Very odd. Dancing in The Light comes from around 1970 as well.
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Reply #146 - Feb 18th, 2010 at 10:45am
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If they don't tiptoe a little deeper through the archives and include a dvd of Ladies and Gentleman I predict riots in the streets, total global meltdown, solar flares so intense they'll melt your eyeballs out of their sockets while shooting fire out your ass. Total fucking chaos! Do it for world peace!
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Reply #147 - Feb 18th, 2010 at 11:45am
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Gazza wrote on Feb 18th, 2010 at 9:26am:
gotdablouse wrote on Feb 18th, 2010 at 9:01am:
Scarlet...that rings a few bells, from the top of my head it was supposedly recorded with Jimmy Page, I had Montreux 1975 in mind, not 74 or 76, but it certainly has never been bootlegged.

Strange that "Potted Shrimp" should have been determined to be from the GHS sessions, I suppose the fact that these three instrumentals (Aladin Story, Potted Shrimp, Dancing in the Light) all came out on one boot (Trident Demos ?) and said to have been recorded at Elektra in 1972 doesn't mean they were recorded at the same time.



Elektra, Hollywood late 1972 was what they were originally announced as when first bootlegged, but that wasnt the case. Not even sure they ever DID that session.

They're all on the 'Trident Mixes' tape which got leaked around that time. However, Aladdin Story and Potted Shrimp BOTH come from the same session in October 1970. Maybe Potted Shrimp got redone/finished for GHS and thats why it wasnt shortlisted? Very odd. Dancing in The Light comes from around 1970 as well.

You're right, I'd leant Elektra some credit since that's where they recorded/mixed Exile, but that was in November 1971 not November 1972.

I'd need to listen to them again but going by memory, I wonder if Potted Shrimp/Save Me don't have some similarities, hence the qualification as a GHS track.

But they why would they include Scarlet a song that Keith himself said was recorded with Jimmy Page at a later date. Incidentally I just found out that Scarlet is the name of Jimmy Page's daugter! There must some hard evidence for Nico to date the session precisely at 15/10/1974.
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Reply #148 - Feb 18th, 2010 at 11:54am
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Well Scarlet hasn't been confirmed yet, right? Could be a mistake. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a huge EOMS succes, especially if that means the vaults will be plundered more fanatically.
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