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Question: How many games will the Twins win the Central by?

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Reply #250 - Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:14am
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so....what...you're an indians fan?

they haven't won anything since the polk administration.

meanwhile, the twins just swept the chisux. eat that, obama!

or, as riffy would say,
eat that, obama!
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Ortiz and Ramirez Said to Be on 2003 Doping List

By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT
Published: July 30, 2009

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Some of baseball’s most cherished storylines of the past decade have been tainted by performance-enhancing drugs, including the accomplishments of record-setting home run hitters and dominating pitchers. Now, players with Boston’s championship teams of 2004 and 2007 have also been linked to doping.

Baseball first tested for steroids in 2003, and the results from that season were supposed to remain anonymous. But for reasons that have never been made clear, the results were never destroyed and the first batch of positives has come to be known among fans and people in baseball as “the list.” The information was later seized by federal agents investigating the distribution of performance-enhancing drugs to professional athletes, and the test results remain the subject of litigation between the baseball players union and the government.

Five others have been tied to positive tests from that year: Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Jason Grimsley and David Segui. Bonds, baseball’s career home runs leader, was not on the original list, although federal agents seized his 2003 sample and had it retested. Those results showed the presence of steroids, according to court documents.

The information about Ramirez and Ortiz emerged through interviews with multiple lawyers and others connected to the pending litigation. The lawyers spoke anonymously because the testing information is under seal by a court order. The lawyers did not identify which drugs were detected.

Unlike Ramirez, who recently served a 50-game suspension for violating baseball’s drug policy, Ortiz had not previously been linked to performance-enhancing substances.

Scott Boras, the agent for Ramirez, would not comment Thursday.

Asked about the 2003 drug test on Thursday in Boston, Ortiz shrugged. “I’m not talking about that anymore,” he said. “I have no comment.”

The union has argued that the government illegally seized the 2003 test results, and judges at various levels of the federal court system have weighed whether the government can keep them. The government hopes to question every player on the list to determine where the drugs came from. An appeals court is deliberating the matter, and the losing side is likely to appeal to the United States Supreme Court.

A spokesman for the United States attorney’s office for the Northern District of California, which seized the tests, declined to comment on Thursday. Michael Weiner, the general counsel for the players union, also declined to comment.

One by one, the names of elite players tied to performance-enhancing drugs have surfaced this year. In February, it was Rodriguez and Bonds. In May, it was Ramirez — for the first time. In June, it was Sosa.

Rodriguez had been viewed by some as a clean player who could eventually overtake the career home run record established by Bonds, who had been linked to possible drug use through the federal investigation. Rodriguez subsequently admitted that he used a performance-enhancing substance from 2001 to 2003.

The Times reported in June that Sosa was among those who tested positive in 2003, the first time he had been publicly tied to performance-enhancing drugs. Sosa became a national figure with the Chicago Cubs in 1998, when he and Mark McGwire of the St. Louis Cardinals engaged in a celebrated race to overtake Roger Maris’s single-season home run record of 61. McGwire’s image suffered tremendously when, at a Congressional hearing in 2005, he refused to answer questions about steroid use.

By 2003, Ramirez had long since established himself as one of baseball’s best hitters. Ortiz, however, was less known. In 2002, the Minnesota Twins effectively cut him after failing to trade him. He signed a bargain contract with the Red Sox and began the 2003 season as a backup.

Ortiz quickly blossomed, setting personal highs in home runs (31) and runs batted in (101). He surpassed those numbers in each of the next four seasons.

Ramirez, with his dreadlocks and quirky behavior, and Ortiz, with his gregarious personality and portly build, formed a dynamic tandem on and off the field. They seemed to feed off each other — not to mention demoralize opponents — by hitting back-to-back in the heart of the lineup.

In 2004, they helped the Red Sox overcome a 3-0 series deficit against the Yankees in the American League Championship Series. The Red Sox then swept the St. Louis Cardinals in the World Series to end decades of heartbreak in Boston. Ortiz had a game-winning home run and a game-winning hit against the Yankees and was named the most valuable player of that series. Ramirez was named the World Series M.V.P. after going 7 for 17 at the plate with a home run.

Three years after winning that first title, Ramirez and Ortiz returned Boston to another World Series, where they defeated the Colorado Rockies.

The pairing was split last season when the Red Sox traded Ramirez to the Los Angeles Dodgers after team officials grew concerned that he was not playing hard in response to a contract dispute. In Los Angeles, Ramirez took off again, becoming popular among the fans and leading the Dodgers to the playoffs.

But Ramirez’s hero status in Los Angeles took a hit in May when he was suspended after baseball officials learned that he had been prescribed a fertility drug often used by bodybuilders after they stopped using steroids. When Ramirez was suspended, he issued a statement that appeared to maneuver around his 2003 test results.

“I do want to say one other thing,” Ramirez said. “I’ve taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons.”

That five-year period extended back to 2004, which excludes the 2003 test.

Since returning from his suspension, Ramirez has been widely accepted by the home fans. In 48 games this season, he has compiled a .327 average and has hit 11 home runs.

Ortiz, meanwhile, has been in a sharp decline. He had an operation on his wrist last year and missed nearly a third of the season. He started this year in a slump and did not hit his first home run until a month and a half into the season. Since June 1, however, he has hit 12 more home runs.

In 2007, Ortiz said that he used to buy a protein shake in the Dominican Republic when he was younger and did not know if it contained a performance-enhancing drug.

“I don’t do that anymore because they don’t have the approval for that here, so I know that, so I’m off buying things at the GNC back in the Dominican Republic,” Ortiz told The Boston Herald. He added: “I don’t know if I drank something in my youth, not knowing it.”

In February, he said that players who tested positive for steroids should be suspended for an entire season — about 100 games more than the current policy requires for a first offense.

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Reply #252 - Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:50am
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"Ortiz and Ramirez Said to Be on 2003 Doping List "

^ I am shocked!!

Blank Frigging Stare Blank Frigging Stare Blank Frigging Stare



I think we all can reasonably name the rest of the players on that list

starting with Poo Holes

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Reply #253 - Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:54am
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Saint Sway wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:50am:
I think we all can reasonably name the rest of the players on that list


Doubtful.

Did anybody think - or care - about David Segui or Jason Grimsley?

There's prolly more marginal players than bold type names on that list.
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I guarantee theres a ton of the big names - of all the ones we already suspect on it

its not just ARod, Manny & Ortiz

all the other usual supects are on that thing. Guaranteed.
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Btw, on the 1st day of Spring Training, David Ortiz told reporters, in response to ARod name being leaked off the list, that any player on that list that has failed a steroid test should be banned from baseball

his words. Not mine.
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here ya go... from this Spring


TAMPA - David Ortiz is fed up with his sport being sullied by one steroids story after another. His solution: more testing and more severe punishments.
"I think you clean up the game by the testing," Ortiz said at Red Sox camp in Fort Myers, Fla. "I test you, you test positive, you're going to be out. Period.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2009/02/16/2009-02-16_david_b...


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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2009/02/16/2009-02-16_david_b...

TAMPA - David Ortiz is fed up with his sport being sullied by one steroids story after another. His solution: more testing and more severe punishments.
"I think you clean up the game by the testing," Ortiz said at Red Sox camp in Fort Myers, Fla. "I test you, you test positive, you're going to be out. Period.
Ortiz, who emerged as one of the premier sluggers in the game in 2003 with Boston after spending six largely forgettable years in Minnesota, believes all players on all teams should be tested three or four times a year, and any players testing positive should be banned for the rest of that season.
"If I test positive by using any kind of banned substance, I'm going to disrespect my family, the game, the fans and everybody," Ortiz said. "And I don't want to be put in that situation. So what I will do, I won't use it. I'm pretty sure everybody is on the same page."
Ortiz is good friends with Alex Rodriguez, who attended Ortiz's charity golf tournament in the Dominican Republic in December. It was difficult for Big Papi to hear that his buddy had tested positive for steroids in 2003, but he commended A-Rod for admitting his sins on ESPN last Monday.
"The A-Rod situation was a little tough for the game because you're talking about the best player all the way around," Ortiz said. "At the same time, people have to give the guy credit because he came out and said what he said at the point of his career where he had done it all. On top of that, that was what, six years ago? The guy has put up numbers his whole career."
Ortiz said one comment stood out to him above the rest during A-Rod's interview on ESPN.
"One thing that he said that caught my attention a lot was that he was young and at the time, that was (happening) all around the league," Ortiz said. "When you're young and somebody comes to you with an idea of improving your production and things like that, sometimes you make a wrong decision like he did. But he's been playing clean and still producing, and he's still been the best player in the game.
"If I'm a fan and I had to judge a guy, I would put that in the past and move forward," Ortiz continued. "The guy, he works hard, man. He's still doing his thing. He still has nine more years on his contract and he's definitely going to do some damage.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2009/02/16/2009-02-16_david_b... l
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Reread the last sentence of that Times article.
Big Papi said a season long suspension, not for life, as "banned" might imply.
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Reply #258 - Jul 30th, 2009 at 12:17pm
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Reread the last sentence of that Times article.
Big Papi said a season long suspension, not for life, as "banned" might imply.


Ok. Cool.

So then lets suspend him for a year.
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Reply #259 - Jul 30th, 2009 at 12:30pm
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Saint Sway wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 12:17pm:
left shoe shuffle wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 12:08pm:
Reread the last sentence of that Times article.
Big Papi said a season long suspension, not for life, as "banned" might imply.


Ok. Cool.

So then lets suspend him for a year.


His games gone to shit, might not be able to get a job in a year.
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Interesting to also note that while investing the "Mitchell Report", former Senator Mitchell was employed in the Red Sox front office and somehow Manny and Ortiz' names never made it onto his report.

Oh and I'll tell you right now that Curt Schilling failed that 2003 test
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Reply #261 - Jul 30th, 2009 at 1:20pm
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again, it's too bad big papi wasn't doping when he was with the twins.
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Interesting to also note that while investing the "Mitchell Report", former Senator Mitchell was employed in the Red Sox front office and somehow Manny and Ortiz' names never made it onto his report.

Oh and I'll tell you right now that Curt Schilling failed that 2003 test


I also hate the Red Sox.
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Starbuck wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 1:20pm:
again, it's too bad big papi wasn't doping when he was with the twins.


6 seasons with Twins (pre doping) = 55 HRs
7 seasons since (on the juice) = 255 HRs


Then again, if he had been juicing on the Twins and bashing HRs the Twinkies would of traded him to a playoff contender.

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Check the dates again---June 2003 when tested, Ortiz still nominally sucked, done nothing--sitting behind Jeremy Giambi of all lunkheads!!
finally in starting line-up a month later, after the Hillenbrand trade...catches fire
since then, like all others, Ortiz has been tested---Ortiz has tested negative---Ortiz has been Godlike



penis envy here from fans of loser teams


btw, Pujols is clean

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sox score two runs in the final
three games
against the spankees....what gives?

could the wild card come from a division besides the east this year???
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interesting interview from the best player in baseball history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzkEphQAi7U
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We would like to thank the San Francisco Giants for their particpation in the 2009 MLB season. We have a lovely parting gift for you on the way to ISUCKLAND. Nanker
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We would like to thank the San Francisco Giants for their particpation in the 2009 MLB season. We have a lovely parting gift for you on the way to ISUCKLAND. Nanker


you sure you are not talking about the twins' pitching staff?

tonight they gave up 14 runs to the team feej calls "the best triple A club in the majors".
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sweetcharmedlife wrote on Aug 11th, 2009 at 11:14pm:
We would like to thank the San Francisco Giants for their particpation in the 2009 MLB season. We have a lovely parting gift for you on the way to ISUCKLAND. Nanker


you sure you are not talking about the twins' pitching staff?

tonight they gave up 14 runs to the team feej calls "the best triple A club in the majors".


We beat Boston twice in a two game series to get back in contention and then go west and get our asses kicked every night.
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Ortiz has been tested---Ortiz has tested negative---Ortiz has been Godlike



penis envy here from fans of loser teams





tee2hee indeed!

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Can you say walkoff baybee. Gigantes are right back in it...Oh and MLB umpires suck Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?
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Merlyn Mantle, Who Was Married to Yankees Great for 43 Years, Dies at 77

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Merlyn Mantle, who for 43 years lived through the glory and the tumult of being married to the New York Yankees great Mickey Mantle, died Monday in Plano, Tex., a suburb of Dallas. She was 77.
The cause was complications from Alzheimer’s disease, said Marty Appel, a family spokesman.

Merlyn and Mickey Mantle met in 1949 when he was a star player at Commerce (Okla.) High School and she was a cheerleader at archrival Picher High School.

“I developed an instant crush on Mickey Mantle, and by our second or third date, I was in love with him and always would be,” Mrs. Mantle wrote in a 1996 memoir, “A Hero All His Life.”

The Mantles married in 1951, after Mickey’s rookie year with the Yankees.

For 18 seasons, Mantle symbolized athletic brilliance as perhaps the greatest switch-hitter in baseball history. With a .298 career batting average, 536 homers and 1,509 runs batted in, he led the Yankees to seven World Series championships. He was an All-Star for 16 of those 18 years and in 1974 was inducted into Hall of Fame. His injuries, and the pain he played through, only enhanced his heroic stature.

It was only after Mantle’s career ended that the world learned of his drinking and womanizing. The drinking escalated in retirement as he struggled with what to do with himself.

“It took me a long time to admit Mick was an alcoholic,” Mrs. Mantle told The New York Times in 2001. She, too, became an alcoholic.

Cancer took its toll on the family. One of the Mantles’ four sons, Billy, had Hodgkin’s lymphoma for half his life and died of a heart attack in 1994 at age 36. Another son, Mickey Jr., died of non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma in 2000, at 47.

Mickey Mantle died of cancer on Aug. 13, 1995, two months after receiving a liver transplant.

Merlyn Louise Johnson was born in Cardin, Okla., on Jan. 28, 1932, one of two daughters of Giles and Reba Johnson. She is survived by two sons, David of McKinney, Tex., and Danny of Plano, Tex.; her sister, Pat LaFalier of Miami, Okla.; and four grandchildren.

Merlyn and Mickey Mantle were separated for the last six years of their marriage. Mrs. Mantle lived in a condominium in Dallas that remained something of a shrine to her husband. Its walls were lined with photographs of him and magazine covers. A display case held three most valuable player trophies; the silver bat for his 1956 Triple Crown; and the balls he hit for, among others, his 512th and 535th home runs and for his record-breaking 16th World Series homer.

Asked why she never divorced him, Mrs. Mantle said: “I adored Mick. I thought I couldn’t live without him. In many ways, he was very good to me, very generous. I never wanted a divorce, and he never asked for one.”
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Re: Baseball 09 (nsc)
Reply #274 - Aug 26th, 2009 at 10:33pm
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Mr. Met has been placed on the DL and will miss the rest of the season...


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