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gotdablouse Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,002 Paris, France Gender:	Stones nearly played Mick's solo tunes live... Dec 13^th, 2008 at 7:41pm ...according to François Bon in his book Rolling Stones : Une biographie and that was apparently suggested by none other than Keith who was trying to coax Mick into touring to support Dirty Work in 1986. I'd never heard of that, anyone ?
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corgi37 Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,559 Aussie land Gender:	Re: Stones nearly played Mick's solo tunes live... Reply #1 - Dec 13^th, 2008 at 9:58pm I find it very hard to believe.
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BILL PERKS Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 1,188 NJ	Re: Stones nearly played Mick's solo tunes live... Reply #2 - Dec 13^th, 2008 at 10:26pm I THINK NOT
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Reply #3 - Dec 13^th, 2008 at 10:34pm

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gotdablouse Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,002 Paris, France Gender:	Re: Stones nearly played Mick's solo tunes live... Reply #4 - Dec 14^th, 2008 at 3:59am corgi37 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2008 at 9:58pm: I find it very hard to believe. Same here, on the other hand why would he be making it up?
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ijwthstd Rocks Off Regular Online Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,048	Re: Stones nearly played Mick's solo tunes live... Reply #5 - Dec 15^th, 2008 at 1:13pm Keith really wanted a Stones tour and perhaps he thought that would get Mick to agree to it. It's not all that hard to believe when you consider they incorporated most of Mick's solo tour band for the Steel Wheels tour.
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Gimme Shelter Rocks Off Regular Offline THE ROLLING STONES #1 Posts: 1,397 Bend, OR Gender:	Re: Stones nearly played Mick's solo tunes live... Reply #6 - Dec 15^th, 2008 at 1:19pm And if I remember reading right part of the deal when they reunited for the Steel Wheels tour was there would be no solo material played by any member.
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Reply #7 - Dec 15^th, 2008 at 1:21pm

Good point, but I think I also remember interviews from 89 when Keith and/of Mick said "no solo tunes", actually Keith may have said "unless the crowd requests them". Of course things had changed in 1989,t they were happy to have all the crap, "WWIII" as they called it, behind them and piles of cash in front of them.

Stll it's odd that Nick Kent who wrote an earth-shattering, at least to me, article in June 1986 when things were at a low point, never mentioned that, although he wrote suff no one else ever mentioned, the "Biff Hitler" trio, the fact Steve Lillywhite didn't want to talk about the album, etc...

F.Bon also says Keith had a a CD ready to go after the Hail, Hail sessions called "Bad Luck", I'd never heard about that either!

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BILL PERKS Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 1,188 NJ	Re: Stones nearly played Mick's solo tunes live... Reply #8 - Dec 15^th, 2008 at 3:27pm ijwthstd wrote on Dec 15^th, 2008 at 1:13pm: Keith really wanted a Stones tour and perhaps he thought that would get Mick to agree to it. It's not all that hard to believe when you consider they incorporated most of Mick's solo tour band for the Steel Wheels tour. MOST?
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Joey I Have No Life! Online Posts: 20,267 Omaha , NE Gender:	Re: Stones nearly played Mick's solo tunes live... Reply #9 - Dec 15^th, 2008 at 3:42pm " I HAVE HERE AN EXCLUSIVE DIRTY WORK TOUR SETLIST " ONE HIT HARLEM SHUFFLE HOLD BACK-DEDICATED TO GAZZA! HAD IT WITH YOU DOWN THE ROAD APIECE TOO RUDE FINAL BOWS TO THE STRAINS OF STU'S DIRTY WORK OUTRO! " !!!!
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Re: Stones nearly played Mick's solo tunes live...
Reply #10 - Dec 15^th, 2008 at 4:26pm

gotdablouse wrote on Dec 13^th, 2008 at 7:41pm:

...according to François Bon in his book Rolling Stones : Une biographie and that was apparently suggested by none other than Keith who was trying to coax Mick into touring to support Dirty Work in 1986.

I'd never heard of that, anyone ?

Considering how dismissive Keith was about Mick's solo career - and his contempt for the fact that he cut a solo deal with CBS on the back of a Stones deal - I would have no hesitation in dismissing that story as complete bollocks.

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Reply #11 - Dec 15^th, 2008 at 4:34pm

gotdablouse wrote on Dec 15^th, 2008 at 1:21pm:

An album with that title was first rumoured in the late 70's (it's probably the Toronto '77 stuff) so it doesnt fit in with the time frame he's talking about. He did probably record a SONG with that title in 1977 although its never circulated.

Keith signed his deal with Virgin a few months after the release of Dirty Work (which was finished at the end of 1985 and released in March 1986). "Hail Hail Rock n Roll" was filmed in October 1986 and he started work on "Talk Is Cheap" in spring 1987

Highly improbable that he had put together another solo album in 1986 which he chose not to release.

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Re: Stones nearly played Mick's solo tunes live...
Reply #12 - Dec 15^th, 2008 at 4:37pm

gotdablouse wrote on Dec 14^th, 2008 at 3:59am:

corgi37 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2008 at 9:58pm:

I find it very hard to believe.

Same here, on the other hand why would he be making it up?

To make it sound like he's unearthed something that isn't in other biographies. A bit like Nick Kent making up that story about Keith punching Ronnie in the face onstage at Wembley in 1982. He managed to 'see' something that 72,000 people and a videocameraman completely missed.

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Reply #13 - Dec 15^th, 2008 at 4:45pm

Agreed on all counts, scary what some people get away with just because they find a publisher, a bit like when Karnbach published that book in late 1997 to coast on the release of B2B and had mistakes all over the place, putting a dim light on the new stuff (mostly track names no one had hearf of) he was revealing.

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Reply #14 - Dec 15^th, 2008 at 5:10pm

Research-based books (ie stuff like sessionographies etc) are a lot harder to get right because the information is so vague, although I believe that Karnbach did have some access to studio logs. It's really difficult to accurately pin down precise details of studio sessions with the Stones because so many of them have been recorded at 'remote' locations or with mobile studios etc. It's a project I've personally wanted to do for a long time, but it's an absolute labyrinth.

His book gets a bit of flak, but was useful for the most part - especially for the 60's setlists etc. That stuff hasnt been widely or adequately covered anywhere else. I found it pretty essential when putting the setlists page together. He was a bit sloppier with the later setlists though.

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Reply #15 - Dec 15^th, 2008 at 5:22pm

True, but it was so annoying to read stuff like "Cook Cook Blues" recorded in 1989, everyone knew it was from the 1985 sessions in Paris, or saying "Call Girl Blues" was the working title for the same "Cook Cook Blues", when Mick had stated in in NME interview in 1989 it was the working title for "Break the Spell", etc...the worst part was "Disarranging Mine", a friend of Karnback apparently, jumping at anyone's throat who dared to point out any obvious errors like that...the good old days of the UC mailing list !

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Re: Stones nearly played Mick's solo tunes live...
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gotdablouse wrote on Dec 13^th, 2008 at 7:41pm:

Stones nearly played Mick's solo tunes live...

They actually played a Ronnie's solo song, in fact the only one ever, the song was "Sure The One You Need" at the Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City, MO on June 6, 1975 and it was sung by Keith

According to Gazza "This song, from Ronnie's debut solo album, is the only song from a Stones solo release ever to have been performed by the Stones as a band"

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gotdablouse Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,002 Paris, France Gender:	Re: Stones nearly played Mick's solo tunes live... Reply #17 - Dec 15^th, 2008 at 5:50pm Well by that count they did even WORSE, play back up to Billy Preston !
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SheRat Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 381 Chicago, IL Gender:	Re: Stones nearly played Mick's solo tunes live... Reply #18 - Dec 15^th, 2008 at 5:58pm BILL PERKS wrote on Dec 13^th, 2008 at 10:26pm: I THINK NOT LMAO.
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Reply #19 - Dec 15^th, 2008 at 7:29pm

Don't forget that "Lonely at the Top" from "She's the Boss" started life as a couple of Stones demo versions. And every marriage has its midnight concessions, often at two in the afternoon.

If the F. Bon rumor is true - it's perhaps a sign of inevitable decline. I speculate that any mid-80s tour would have been their least satisfying. It was time to sit out the death of New Wave and the Michael Jackson renaissance.

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gotdablouse Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,002 Paris, France Gender:	Re: Stones nearly played Mick's solo tunes live... Reply #20 - Dec 15^th, 2008 at 7:54pm In 1989, Mick kept going on about how a 1986 tour would have been their last, because they were in no shape to tour, "some could barely cross the Champs-Elysées"...As we found out later, Charlie was hooked up on brown sugar at the time so he was probably referring to him.
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BILL PERKS wrote on Dec 15^th, 2008 at 3:27pm:

ijwthstd wrote on Dec 15^th, 2008 at 1:13pm:

Keith really wanted a Stones tour and perhaps he thought that would get Mick to agree to it. It's not all that hard to believe when you consider they incorporated most of Mick's solo tour band for the Steel Wheels tour.

MOST?

And the arrangements too.

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