Is it really so hard to believe?

This thread is a microcosm of what is going on in this Country; and there have been times when I could throw a punch or two right here.

WE are a terribly divided Nation and that usually equates to lack of effective leadership, imhfo.

YES, there are those on the right that seem to be "flaming the fires" so to speak. But there is plenty of blame to spread around on BOTH sides of a very crooked aisle.


LJ.

DailyKos:

With several different Democrats receiving threats of violence and receiving protective detail after voting for the new health insurance reform law (I haven't yet tired of saying that), it's worth highlighting something that Minority Leader John Boehner said last week about one of the Congressmen who has been subjected to this sort of vitriolic abuse: his neighbor from an adjacent Ohio district, Rep. Steve Driehaus.

"Take [Rep.] Steve Driehaus, for example," he says. "He may be a dead man. He can’t go home to the west side of Cincinnati."

As mcjoan noted earlier, Congressman Driehaus has been subjected to a litany of intimidating tactics, including death threats, having pictures of his children used in an attack ad, and having the address of and directions to his private residence posted on conservative blogs--and we've all seen how well that worked out in the case of case of Rep. Periello's brother.

Predictably, Driehaus has called Boehner out about his words, which are ill-chosen at best:

   "I think it's really important for folks around here, especially leader Boehner, to understand that his words have consequences," Driehaus said. "Leader Boehner suggested that if I vote yes on this bill and go home to the west side of Cincinnati, that I could be a dead man.... It really calls into question his ability to lead. He should be a statesman."

   Driehaus confronted Boehner about the interview on the floor of the House. "I told him it was inexcusable," Driehaus said. "It doesn't really matter the way you meant it, nor the way I accept it. It's how the least sane person in my district accepts it."

That's a pretty important point, because the least sane person in Western Cincinnati could be a Sarah Palin fan who wants to put SarahPAC's rifle scope imagery into practice.

I'd normally say that it's up to the minority GOP leadership to take a principled stand in opposition to the violence and the eliminationist rhetoric. But they can't, and they know it. They've spent the entire past year in cahoots with Fox News to convince America that health care reform would turn the United States into the Soviet Union--and they know they can't back down now without losing their base.

The GOP leadership and their allies on Fox and on the AM dial had better pray that nobody gets hurt or killed on account of this--because if that happens, the blood will be on their hands.

Starbuck wrote on Mar 24^th, 2010 at 6:29pm:



you, of all people, quit apologizing for the nazis...they chose their grave, and flicked us all off as we told the truth....and we shall happily deliver the last scoop of earth....don't join them......

Pdog wrote on Mar 24^th, 2010 at 9:38pm:




Okay, Pdog, I am going to try and continue with my more moderate toned down approach here, but after that post it may be very difficult for me to continue to keep that promise.


Let me, ever so slowly, walk you through this. The country, as a whole, is angry. The people are angry. Why wouldn't the country be angry? This administration is sharply more polarizing than any president in modern history, perhaps in all of US history. His administration, and he personally, have gone out of their way to wage war on everything, and everyone, that does not fit their worldview. He has bad mouthed the private sector for his entire 14 months in office. We know that he despises the oil industry. Likewise, he has made no secret of desiring to shut down coal. He has chastised the banking industry, the auto industry (before outright nationalizes them), he has had his hate on for inch of the free market that he could tax into the ground, and redistribute their wealth. Some think that is fair. Those people are idiots.

This president even accused private physicians of removing tonsils and amputating feet just for pure unadulterated profit. Yet it is he, not the doctors or insurance agents, that has garnered more power. It is the Democrats in Washington who are the ones who are really trying to rig the game. It's a blind and raw power grab, and those that choose to ignore it now certainly won't ignore when the other party gets in control. The politicians in DC who are running the show just so happen to be Democrats. They are not the Democrats of 40 years ago, but they still call themselves Democrats. Today's Democrat Party is completely completely overrun by far left radicals. Anyone who disagrees with that last statement is either outright lying, or dumber than a box of rocks.

When the will of the people is ignored by the government it is only likely that some nuts are going to do something to provoke outrage. There are nuts on both sides of this debate. Let us not forget the college noose incident that all the MSM was reporting on as a sign of radical right wing white hate mongers. Turned out that it was an African American female. The story was promptly dropped by MSNBC.


Oh, and Pdog...Were you honestly trying to accuse me of racism because of that Panther photo? So I'm the racist, huh?


Let's see these Panthers were standing at a polling station wielding bats, and intentionally intimidating anyone that didn't look like they were gonna vote for their man they are fine, right? Who do you think their man was Pdog? So in your view it's racist of me to post a picture of two thugs that are exhibiting open racism with a malicious intent? I didn't post that photo because of the thugs' race, Pdog. Nor did I post it because Eric Holder dropped all charges against these thugs when he had them dead to rights breaking a federal law. Though, I think that he may have dropped those charges for reasons based on race, but that's not what you meant is it? I post the photo to show, once again, the oh-so-sanctimonious, and hypocritical crap spewed by the likes of the DLM. The Panther story was all but ignored. However, one or two senators claims he heard the N word, or the F word and then, and only then, does the media start acting as if the Right Wing gun loving Bible freaks are going to start killing. Black Panthers actually menacing voters in Philidelphia? Nothing to see here, move along....


Here's the little secret, Pdog. It's you who are obsessed with race. It's your liberal mindset that always immediatley plays the race card. Don't feel like the Lone Ranger, most liberals do exactly the same thing.

Riffy

With regard to the threats, I'm not sure what you're implying but I understand what you're denying.

If it was liberals trying to make the righties look bad, I deplore their action. I condemn it. And you? Care to comment?

Whoever it was, they aren't hidden from DHS. The public may never know, but DHS will. We're way past 1984 now . . .

fuman wrote on Mar 24^th, 2010 at 10:39pm:




LOL! You must be kidding?!?! I mean you have to be joking, right?

So these Panthers were there just to make sure everyone had equal voting rights?


You're insane.

When the threat of violence is pointed out to you in a blatant fashion, with photographic evidence to boot, you try and spin this as some kind of voter protection?! Well, you have already lost the argument my man. So the Black Panthers are just a peace loving group that is trying to sew a little racial harmony into a racist society? Is that your position? Had that photo been of two Klansmen dressed in robes and hoods weilding bats would you say that they were only there to allow "EVERYONE access"?

Haters are haters, funman! Black or white. They come from the fringes of both ssides of the political aisle.

Please point to a quote where I was defending any threats of violence. Sometimes angry people do stupid things. Who knew?!

I was pointing out an obvious fact that you seem intent on ignoring. To wit-the voters in this country are very angry. They are angry because a power hungry mob of leftists has taken over Washington DC, and has completely ignored their voices. A Democrat gubernatorial loss in Virginia, after a double digit victory for Barry in November 2008. Another conservative gubernatorial win in New Jersey even though the incumbant Democrat was a billionaire, and spent more money than any politician in US history on a single campaign. Obama came to NJ and campaigned for Jon Corzine no less than three times, even filling up the PNC Bank Arts center with over 10,000 union members, and party hacks. The results? Another huge loss for Democrats. Fast forward to Massachusetts. The most liberal state in the nation. A Democrat lock. The much vaunted Kennedy Seat! The Lion Of The Senate FFS! The outcome? Another victory for a little known conservative running on a campaign platform to kill the Democrat health care bill.


There is a referendom on Obama going on in the country funman. You guys can try and dismiss it, or ignore it, or perhaps, because you're so blinded by partisan devotion that you simply can't see it, but it is happening. And the Democrats running roughshod over the will of the governed is not something that the people are used to seeing in the USA. However, the three headed liberal/socialist monster Obama/Pelosi/Reid don't seem to mind, or care. You, and others here, just seem to go along for the Marxist ride. There is going to be a comeuppence in November. That much you can bank on.



Riffy

Riffhard wrote on Mar 25^th, 2010 at 6:45am:



Giving up meat for a period is an excellent way to lose weight.   btw, 163 this morning.....high school weight, I'm done....but I still will not allow myself meat until July 9th...I check into a hotel that night with a Ruth's Chris Steak House.  That will be the beef night!!  Chicken and fish (pork roast for Easter) until then!

Riffhard wrote on Mar 25^th, 2010 at 7:42am:


stop right there riffy. i just can't read anymore!

has it really come to this? have you swallowed the line of the teetotaler news channel completely?

i just don't know you anymore.

Riffy you're saying these guys knew who was voting for who, and were able to force people away?

McCain in oh twelve?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPdqS8FnL9c

Pdog wrote on Mar 25^th, 2010 at 8:23am:




I'm saying you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, Pdog. Wanna bet that these guys were not sportin' any McCain buttons?


And to further underscore the point about the DSM distorting the threat of "right wing violence" have a look at this from News Busters. Before you guys get all hot and bothered about News Busters, why not read the article. It's chalk full of things like facts and stuff!


Riffy

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By Mithridate Ombud
Created 03/24/2010 - 21:52


There is a disturbing chill [1] in the air according to the leftist media [2]. Threats of violence and rumor of murder are taking center stage instead of reporting legitimate public outrage about the passage of Obamacare. You need not click far online [3] to hear another person refer to Glenn Beck as "dangerous" [4], yet they can never claim specifically why. Despite their rhetoric, the media refuses to follow up with what makes a man, who has spent hours just this year begging people to remain peaceful [5], so obscenely dangerous. 

Glaringly obvious in this latest round of reports is that there are no specific examples of alleged threats of violence cited. I can only find one specific threat that caused the FBI to swoop in and ask a speaker to wear a bullet-proof vest on the tip that the speaker would be gunned down by an assassin. But that speaker was Glenn Beck. 

Whether this is a shortcut to 2nd Amendment action, valid concern, or just a bunch of crybaby progressive politicians over reacting [6] to criticism, it's hard to tell. But Obama's desire to continue ramming through the most divisive legislation [7] -- against his own creed [8] -- isn't helping bring calm to even the most peaceful conservatives. And while the evidence of a violent right is scarce, there's no limit to liberals [9] attempting to make conservatives look evil [10]. 

Before letting the media continue to perpetuate a stereotype that may not actually exist at all, let me give you the facts that U.S. journalists refuse to cite. Let me show you where real violence comes from, and I don't even need to mention the millions of babies killed every year by progressives or even the tens of millions of people murdered by their communist heroes [11].   

•It was not the fear of conservative violence that caused Ann Coulter's speech to be cancelled [12] this week.
•It was a liberal who bit the finger off a man [13] who disagreed with him on healthcare.
•It was Obama-loving Amy Bishop who took a gun to work [14] and murdered co-workers.
•Joseph Stack flew his plane into the IRS building [15] after writing an anti-conservative manifesto.
•It was liberals who destroyed AM radio towers [16] outside of Seattle.
•It's liberals who burn down Hummer dealerships [17]. 
•It was progressive SEIU union thugs who beat a black conservative man [18] who spoke his mind.
•It's doubtful that a conservative fired shots into a GOP campaign headquarters [19].
•In fact, Democrats have no monopoly [20] on having [21] their offices vandalized [22].
•Don't forget it was Obama's friend Bill Ayers who used terrorism [23] as a tool for political change. SDS is still radical, with arrests in 2007 and the storming of the CATO Institute in July 2008.
•It was a liberal who was sentenced to two years [24] for bringing bombs and riot shields to the Republican National Convention in 2008.
•It was a liberal who threatened to kill a government informant [25] who infiltrated her Austin-based group that planned to bomb the RNC.
•It was liberals who assaulted police in Berkeley [26].
•It was liberals who intimidated and threw rocks through the windows [27] of researchers.
•The two Black Panthers who stood outside polls intimidating people with nightsticks [28] were probably not right-wingers.
•Every time the G20 gets together, it's not conservatives who destroy property and cause chaos [29]. 
I could literally go on and on, but let's try to have some perspective here. Violence is a product of the fringe, on either side, and it's sickening to try to use it for political advantage. Those who commit violence in the name of politics deserve political change no more than they deserve leniency in sentencing. Violence furthers no cause. The only call to action that violence has ever motivated Americans to is the retaliation on attackers. Somehow I think the liberals know that very well. 

The media and politicians who are trying to construct a meme of conservative violence as we run up to the 2010 elections should only face the weapon they fear most; the ballot.


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mithridate-ombud/2010/03/24/medias-myth-right-wing-...

fuman wrote on Mar 25^th, 2010 at 9:50am:



If it please the court, I offer up this post as exhibit 1,537 of this man's complete isolation from reality, and his abject dronism.


Don't let this happen to you.


Riffy