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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #9350 - Mar 18^th, 2010 at 7:03pm

Yeah Republicans are all so extreme. Please cite one example of extremism from Republicans, Bush, Palin, etc. that matches a congress and a president that have as their stated objective and goal the transfer of a full 1/6th of the economy from the private sector squarely into the hands of the federal government that is promoting "social justice". And this "social justice" that we are talking about here is only social justice as defined by them. They know best after all, right? They are doing all of this, and, at the same time, they have a plan drawn up that refuses to allow the individual state representatives to even represent the individuals in their state! If that is not taxation without representation then I don't know what is.

Never before in US history has a bill this massive in it's scale been rammed down the throat of the American public without a clearly defined vote. You liberals love to claim how great of an idea that this is. Really? Are you going to feel that way, now that a precedent will have been set, when a genuine far right ideologue gets his hands on the reins of power? You still going to defend trashing the US Constitution then? I highly doubt it, and neither the hell would I. Wake up!

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #9351 - Mar 18^th, 2010 at 7:20pm

Local interview on the news tonight with Steve Lynch, Dem from South Boston.
He said he was not voting for Health Care as of earlier today. The President asked
to meet with him, which he consented to for over an hour today. He came out of the
meeting unchanged in his mind. He told the President, you have gutted reform from
this bill, which is the very thing you are trying to sell the American people it has.
He claimed the President only would say that future revisions to the bill would have reform
in them. Lynch told the President he's voted on over 290 bills in his time in the House, many
of which promised further measures to the bill, 100% of them never have other measures materialize.
He thanked the President for his time, but told him he could not support the bill.

This must kill Obama, to have Lynch, an Irish kid who grew up in the projects of South Boston
telling him no.

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Pdog Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 6,130 aTx Gender:	Re: Obama elected President Reply #9352 - Mar 18^th, 2010 at 9:09pm Riffhard wrote on Mar 18^th, 2010 at 7:03pm: If that is not taxation without representation then I don't know what is. Riffy income tax?
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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #9353 - Mar 19^th, 2010 at 8:28am

Nellcote wrote on Mar 18^th, 2010 at 7:20pm:

Local interview on the news tonight with Steve Lynch, Dem from South Boston.
He said he was not voting for Health Care as of earlier today. The President asked
to meet with him, which he consented to for over an hour today. He came out of the
meeting unchanged in his mind. He told the President, you have gutted reform from
this bill, which is the very thing you are trying to sell the American people it has.
He claimed the President only would say that future revisions to the bill would have reform
in them. Lynch told the President he's voted on over 290 bills in his time in the House, many
of which promised further measures to the bill, 100% of them never have other measures materialize.
He thanked the President for his time, but told him he could not support the bill.

This must kill Obama, to have Lynch, an Irish kid who grew up in the projects of South Boston
telling him no.

Who knows, maybe the Public Option gets back in. Then Lynch would support the bill.
Or maybe just the hope that the PO will be added.

I don't know why Obama would be hurt because Lynch told him "no".

We'll soon see how Lynch votes. Which side of history he wants to be on . . .

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #9354 - Mar 19^th, 2010 at 10:52am

Jesus Christ wrote on Mar 18^th, 2010 at 3:29pm:

[quote author=Riffhard link=1223104028/9325#9342 date=1268939401]

Your beloved free market capitalism has resulted in a healthcare system which rewards those who deny claims and refuse the least among us, instead of those who heal the most. Now that someone is FINALLY talking about reforming it, you say "I've got mine, screw everyone else" and can only see it as a "money grab".

Pure unadulterated socialism certainly doesn't work, but neither does pure unadulterated capitalism.

There's a reason why greed is one of the seven deadly sins.

jesus? (fleabit??) hello? anybody home?? you saying you would pick any socialist system over what we've got going here? you nuts?

capitalism results in bringing out greed...rich get richer etc...it is pathetic. but i have yet to see a system that works better, especially for a country of 309 million people. i think it was churchill who said (or maybe it wasn't...i can't remember) "capitalism is the worst system of govt ever created...except for all the rest of them."

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fuman Ex Member Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Gender:	Re: Obama elected President Reply #9355 - Mar 19^th, 2010 at 11:42am Speaking on the House floor last night, Broun said: "If Obamacare passes, that free insurance card that's in people's pockets is going to be as worthless as a Confederate dollar after the war between the states -- the Great War of Yankee Aggression." Interesting argument . . .
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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #9356 - Mar 19^th, 2010 at 12:03pm

Most of what senate Republicans say they're going to try to do is fight to keep the least popular parts of the original Senate package in bill. That's right. They're going to go to the mat for the 'Cornhusker Kickback.' They're going to do everything they can to prevent the "Cornhusker Kickback" from being overturned. Same with the "Louisiana Purchase", the tax on "Cadillac" Health Care plans and a bunch of other stuff.

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #9357 - Mar 19^th, 2010 at 12:08pm

Peggy Noonan NAILS it in today's WSJ.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704207504575130081383279888.html

"And so it ends, with a health-care vote expected this weekend. I wonder at what point the administration will realize it wasn't worth it—worth the discord, worth the diminution in popularity and prestige, worth the deepening of the great divide. What has been lost is so vivid, what has been gained so amorphous, blurry and likely illusory. Memo to future presidents: Never stake your entire survival on the painful passing of a bad bill. Never take the country down the road to Demon Pass"

I'm seriously thinking of leaving work early to attend the protest outside of Louise Slaughter's Buffalo office!!!

LJ.

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #9358 - Mar 19^th, 2010 at 12:33pm

fuman wrote on Mar 19^th, 2010 at 8:28am:

Nellcote wrote on Mar 18^th, 2010 at 7:20pm:

Local interview on the news tonight with Steve Lynch, Dem from South Boston.
He said he was not voting for Health Care as of earlier today. The President asked
to meet with him, which he consented to for over an hour today. He came out of the
meeting unchanged in his mind. He told the President, you have gutted reform from
this bill, which is the very thing you are trying to sell the American people it has.
He claimed the President only would say that future revisions to the bill would have reform
in them. Lynch told the President he's voted on over 290 bills in his time in the House, many
of which promised further measures to the bill, 100% of them never have other measures materialize.
He thanked the President for his time, but told him he could not support the bill.

This must kill Obama, to have Lynch, an Irish kid who grew up in the projects of South Boston
telling him no.

Who knows, maybe the Public Option gets back in. Then Lynch would support the bill.
Or maybe just the hope that the PO will be added.

I don't know why Obama would be hurt because Lynch told him "no".

We'll soon see how Lynch votes. Which side of history he wants to be on . . .

I should have provided more color on this Funman, as the local reference
got lost. The reason this would hurt Obama is the fact that a Dem in Mass,
the state where his hero Ted Kennedy was a senator for so long, who was
a longtime proponent of Health Care, who passed away before it could
be voted on, would never have allowed Lynch to not vote in favor of this.

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #9359 - Mar 19^th, 2010 at 12:36pm

Nellcote wrote on Mar 19^th, 2010 at 12:33pm:

fuman wrote on Mar 19^th, 2010 at 8:28am:

Nellcote wrote on Mar 18^th, 2010 at 7:20pm:

Local interview on the news tonight with Steve Lynch, Dem from South Boston.
He said he was not voting for Health Care as of earlier today. The President asked
to meet with him, which he consented to for over an hour today. He came out of the
meeting unchanged in his mind. He told the President, you have gutted reform from
this bill, which is the very thing you are trying to sell the American people it has.
He claimed the President only would say that future revisions to the bill would have reform
in them. Lynch told the President he's voted on over 290 bills in his time in the House, many
of which promised further measures to the bill, 100% of them never have other measures materialize.
He thanked the President for his time, but told him he could not support the bill.

This must kill Obama, to have Lynch, an Irish kid who grew up in the projects of South Boston
telling him no.

Who knows, maybe the Public Option gets back in. Then Lynch would support the bill.
Or maybe just the hope that the PO will be added.

I don't know why Obama would be hurt because Lynch told him "no".

We'll soon see how Lynch votes. Which side of history he wants to be on . . .

I should have provided more color on this Funman, as the local reference
got lost. The reason this would hurt Obama is the fact that a Dem in Mass,
the state where his hero Ted Kennedy was a senator for so long, who was
a longtime proponent of Health Care, who passed away before it could
be voted on, would never have allowed Lynch to not vote in favor of this.

Yeah, that's usually how it goes in Congress. Strong arm tactics.
I still think it's very possible Lynch will vote YES. Just a hunch though . . .

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #9360 - Mar 19^th, 2010 at 1:13pm

Starbuck wrote on Mar 19^th, 2010 at 10:52am:

Jesus Christ wrote on Mar 18^th, 2010 at 3:29pm:

[quote author=Riffhard link=1223104028/9325#9342 date=1268939401]

Your beloved free market capitalism has resulted in a healthcare system which rewards those who deny claims and refuse the least among us, instead of those who heal the most. Now that someone is FINALLY talking about reforming it, you say "I've got mine, screw everyone else" and can only see it as a "money grab".

Pure unadulterated socialism certainly doesn't work, but neither does pure unadulterated capitalism.

There's a reason why greed is one of the seven deadly sins.

jesus? (fleabit??) hello? anybody home?? you saying you would pick any socialist system over what we've got going here? you nuts?

Is that what I said? No? Then I guess that's NOT what I'm saying. A clue might've been when I said "Pure unadulterated socialism certainly doesn't work."

I'm saying that Mr. Riffhard and President Reagan's beloved and sacrosanct Free Market System is not the best possible engine to drive things that people's lives depend upon. I'm saying that there are aspects of our most assuredly capitalist society which closely resemble Socialism - that these things are GOOD things imho - and that I don't view "socialism" as a swear word any more than I do "liberal".

I didn't expect that to ruffle your feathers.

And for all the people who continue to insist I'm someone who I'm actually NOT - I believe the person you're referring to passed away not too long ago.

your pal,

Jesus

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mojoman Rocks Off Regular Offline HMERLS Posts: 6,593 joyzee Gender:	Re: Obama elected President Reply #9361 - Mar 19^th, 2010 at 1:37pm jesus why do jews and christians cook hard boiled eggs this time of year but only christians paint them? and whats with eating ham for easter? why does KATZ's deli serve salami? TIA!!!
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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #9362 - Mar 19^th, 2010 at 1:51pm

i for one consider neither socialism nor liberalism a dirty word. in small, easy to manage european states, it may work just fine. however, in our massive country, which is third in the world in terms of population, it cannot work and should not be tried. the less the govt is in charge of, the better. are you saying you disagree with this premise?

Jesus Christ wrote on Mar 19^th, 2010 at 1:13pm:

And for all the people who continue to insist I'm someone who I'm actually NOT - I believe the person you're referring to passed away not too long ago.

your pal,

Jesus

wait a minute... you're saying fleabit died?

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #9363 - Mar 19^th, 2010 at 2:09pm

Starbuck wrote on Mar 19^th, 2010 at 1:51pm:

i for one consider neither socialism nor liberalism a dirty word. in small, easy to manage european states, it may work just fine. however, in our massive country, which is third in the world in terms of population, it cannot work and should not be tried. the less the govt is in charge of, the better. are you saying you disagree with this premise?

Jesus Christ wrote on Mar 19^th, 2010 at 1:13pm:

And for all the people who continue to insist I'm someone who I'm actually NOT - I believe the person you're referring to passed away not too long ago.

your pal,

Jesus

wait a minute... you're saying fleabit died?

do believe in Resurrection?

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #9366 - Mar 19^th, 2010 at 5:06pm

Starbuck wrote on Mar 19^th, 2010 at 1:51pm:

i for one consider neither socialism nor liberalism a dirty word. in small, easy to manage european states, it may work just fine. however, in our massive country, which is third in the world in terms of population, it cannot work and should not be tried. the less the govt is in charge of, the better. are you saying you disagree with this premise?

Jesus Christ wrote on Mar 19^th, 2010 at 1:13pm:

And for all the people who continue to insist I'm someone who I'm actually NOT - I believe the person you're referring to passed away not too long ago.

your pal,

Jesus

wait a minute... you're saying fleabit died?

is moonie ok?

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #9367 - Mar 19^th, 2010 at 5:35pm

Pdog wrote on Mar 19^th, 2010 at 4:51pm:

Riffy wished death on him too... that would be effe'd up... I remember when a guy here said some crap about my kids being killed...

i could be wrong, but i don't remember riffy wishing death on the guy. limp wristed mynock maybe...but i can't see him going that far. can you provide a quote?

as for the other person in question...dude...you called his boss!

Quote:

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is moonie ok?

moonie is just fine.

so fleabit is dead....are we talking pushing up daisies?...or "if you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!" dead?....or maybe larry craig dead? jesus, please clarify....in all of your infinite wisdom.

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #9368 - Mar 19^th, 2010 at 5:41pm

Starbuck wrote on Mar 19^th, 2010 at 1:51pm:

i for one consider neither socialism nor liberalism a dirty word. in small, easy to manage european states, it may work just fine. however, in our massive country, which is third in the world in terms of population, it cannot work and should not be tried. the less the govt is in charge of, the better. are you saying you disagree with this premise?

Jesus Christ wrote on Mar 19^th, 2010 at 1:13pm:

And for all the people who continue to insist I'm someone who I'm actually NOT - I believe the person you're referring to passed away not too long ago.

your pal,

Jesus

wait a minute... you're saying fleabit died?

What? You believe that Obama is pushing us to socialism?
Is it because he's trying to reform a corrupt health care system?

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LadyJane Rocks Off Regular Offline Stones Purist Posts: 4,929 Gender:	Re: Obama Is in Way Over His Head Reply #9370 - Mar 19^th, 2010 at 5:59pm Wild Bill wrote on Mar 19^th, 2010 at 5:55pm: I challenge all Obammma supporters to read Peggy's latest column: http://www.peggynoonan.com/ I posted this earlier. Haven't heard a peep since. LJ.
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Re: Obama Is in Way Over His Head
Reply #9371 - Mar 19^th, 2010 at 6:02pm

Wild Bill wrote on Mar 19^th, 2010 at 5:55pm:

I challenge all Obammma supporters to read Peggy's latest column:

http://www.peggynoonan.com/

"Excuse me, but it is embarrassing—really, embarrassing to our country—that the president of the United States has again put off a state visit to Australia and Indonesia because he’s having trouble passing a piece of domestic legislation he’s been promising for a year will be passed next week. What an air of chaos this signals to the world. And to do this to Australia of all countries, a nation that has always had America’s back and been America’s friend."

Noonan is a hack.

"because of a piece of domestic legislation".

Do you think they'll understand?
They addressed health care years ago.
(and their citizens live longer than we do)

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #9372 - Mar 19^th, 2010 at 6:26pm

The nation's largest association of doctors and the AARP senior citizens' lobby are endorsing President Barack Obama's revised health overhaul legislation.

James Rohack, president of the American Medical Association, said Friday that the pending bill isn't perfect, but it's the next step toward real reform of the nation's health care system.

"This is certainly not the bill we would have written, but we cannot let the perfect be the enemy of the good," Rohack said.

The board of the Chicago-based group reached a consensus and voted unanimously Thursday night after a review of the House reconciliation bill.
....

In a statement Friday, AARP said the legislation "will improve health care for older Americans and their families." The bill gradually closes the "doughnut hole" coverage gap in the Medicare prescription drug benefit and limits insurance companies' ability to charge higher premiums based solely on age, AARP said.

They join more than 250 organizations including the Catholic Health Association, Main Street Alliance, Federation of American Hospitals, National Association of Public Hospitals and Health Systems, American College of Physicians, National Hispanic Medical Association, Paralyzed Veterans of America, American Heart Association, American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, American Diabetes Association, American Nurses Association, Families USA, National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare, National Women’s Law Center, Consumer Federation of America, and Consumers Union. But the AMA and AARP are among the most influential for member of Congress, so their sign-off is significant.

Meanwhile, and unsurprisingly, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Retail Industry Leaders Association and the National Association of Manufacturers remain opposed.

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Reply #9373 - Mar 20^th, 2010 at 8:24am

LadyJane wrote on Mar 19^th, 2010 at 5:59pm:

Wild Bill wrote on Mar 19^th, 2010 at 5:55pm:

I challenge all Obammma supporters to read Peggy's latest column:

http://www.peggynoonan.com/

I posted this earlier.
Haven't heard a peep since.

LJ.

he's staying to fulfill his campaign promise! peep... i don't go for all these opinions... unless it's glenn beck, he makes me piss myself laughing. there's alot of facts out there, it just takes a person alot of time to read them, and effort to avoid distorted opinions. fact check non- opinion sites exist.

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naked pictures of Reagan 5 (20.0%) Barry O voodoo doll 3 (12.0%) Hoffa's body 2 (8.0%) DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3 1 (4.0%) JC's boss's phone number 2 (8.0%) bucket of chicken 5 (20.0%) three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out 3 (12.0%) "Eagles Greatest Hits" CD 4 (16.0%) Total votes: 25 « Last Modified by: Starbuck on: Mar 3^rd, 2010 at 5:01pm »