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Question: What item is most likely found in the top drawer of Riffy's dresser?

naked pictures of Reagan    
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Barry O voodoo doll    
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Hoffa's body    
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DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
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JC's boss's phone number    
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bucket of chicken    
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three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
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"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
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Reply #9300 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 8:36am
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nankerphelge wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 7:22am:
"with the shit pulled by Bush admin for 8 yrs, it still makes me giggle you guys are surprised. your apathy then, is your disdain now... go figure! you voted for it!"

I am not aware of one piece of legislation passed during the Bush administration where the Speaker of the House decided that her "half" of Congress did not have to vote on a bill for it to become law.  If you are aware of any, please let us know.

And contrary to your post, I am not surprised that this Administration has pulled this shit.
Their line, per Robert Gibbs and David Axlerod, is that Americans want Obamacare, and they don't care about the process of getting there!

WHAT?

Polls show overwhelmingly that most Americans do not want this bill, and "the process" that they are talking about is the Constitutional mandate of a vote of both houses of Congress before such a bill passes.  They are so smitten with themselves, they have ignored the will of their constituents and wiped their collective asses with the Constitution.

And just a few weeks ago, Obama was lamenting that he and the dems were not listening to the American people.  What a load of shit.





most maericans asked, don't want stuff based on polls that are misleading... let's not act like there hasn't been a great movement of disinformation and scare, like death panel bullshit from the opposition. Most americans didn't want the Iraq war before hand, and even more didn't want it after the truth was revealed... and this horrible and expensive act, was done without our system of checks and balances being used properly. The Executive branch took advantage of an attack, they failed to prevent... why is the relevant? Because the abuse of power is passed on, and the freedom you think you had, wasn't stolen by Obama or Bush... it wasn't stolen by Reagan.... it wasn't innocent lost in the 50's and the cold war... we lost it when we gave private banks our Federal Reserve and the power to control our money... Conservatives saying we need to read the constitution, is what liberals were saying too... I'm saying, welcome to the feeling fucked club... it's just sad, you don't want to look at the real problem, glaring us in the face... this isn't about big or small govt. or ideals, as much as who controls the money... that's it in a nutshell. Banks and the huge complex of banking worldwide!!! We didn't learn shit from the recent economic situation... a financial 9/11 and we might as well bombed the shit out of some fucked up country with a piece of crap president to solve it... we kind of did, we bombed the shit out our own middle class. No matter who had been president, we would've been fucked. I think Obama spent a great deal of time and care with it... he tried, but in the end, he's powerless, just like we all are, until the IRS andFEd Reserve are once again ours... nbut that won't happen, will it... no one wants to touch it.
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Reply #9301 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 8:48am
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"welcome to the feeling fucked club..."

that's Hoop Dreams postin'

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Reply #9302 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 9:31am
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"let's not act like there hasn't been a great movement of disinformation and scare, like death panel bullshit from the opposition."

Oh come on - get honest - the disinformation and scare has come from Obama and the Dems just as much.  Obama says premiums won't rise?  But that math doesn't add up.
Who said there is no tax for not getting Obamacare?  But there is.

"Most americans didn't want the Iraq war before hand, and even more didn't want it after the truth was revealed... and this horrible and expensive act, was done without our system of checks and balances being used properly."

Actually, Pew research shows that approximately 70% of Americans supported the war when it was started.
And the US and other UN nations agreed that Saddam still had WMD capabilities and that non-compliance with inspections suggested that he was pursuing those weapons. 
And the Bush Administration went to Congress and got that for authorization for all necessary force.See the Joint Resolution on the use of force.
Wasn't run through Congress by some BS non-vote.
So I don't know what you are talking about.

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Reply #9303 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 10:46am
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What is this "BS non-vote"?.
The Senate voted on HCR. So did the House.
Now they are stripping out the giveaways.

The problem with this bill is the lack of a public option.
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Reply #9304 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 10:50am
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Let's Be Clear

Before the bamboozlement gets too far, let's be clear about what the House is considering doing. There are two bills. The senate's original bill and the changes to that bill the House has now negotiated with the Senate. Normally, this is all hashed out in a conference committee. And it's all voted on in a single vote. In this case, that's not possible because of the continuing Republican filibuster in the Senate. So the House is considering taking both bills, consolidating them into a single vote, up or down. The old fashioned way. This isn't 'not having a vote'. And this has been done repeatedly before. Anybody who thinks these two bills shouldn't be passed simultaneously or thinks one or the other shouldn't pass has a simple solution. Vote no. Simple.
This isn't complicated. It's consolidating two votes into one.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/03/lets_be_clear.php?ref=fpblg



All Nonsense

The procedure every(GOP)one is so up in arms about is called a "self-executing rule." How many times did the Republicans use it the last time they controlled Congress, 2005-06? More than 35 times! And the Democrats? They complained about it then too, though to the best of my knowledge there were no claims of treason.
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Reply #9305 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 10:54am
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nankerphelge wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 9:31am:
"let's not act like there hasn't been a great movement of disinformation and scare, like death panel bullshit from the opposition."

Oh come on - get honest - the disinformation and scare has come from Obama and the Dems just as much.  Obama says premiums won't rise?  But that math doesn't add up.
Who said there is no tax for not getting Obamacare?  But there is.

"Most americans didn't want the Iraq war before hand, and even more didn't want it after the truth was revealed... and this horrible and expensive act, was done without our system of checks and balances being used properly."

Actually, Pew research shows that approximately 70% of Americans supported the war when it was started.
And the US and other UN nations agreed that Saddam still had WMD capabilities and that non-compliance with inspections suggested that he was pursuing those weapons.  
And the Bush Administration went to Congress and got that for authorization for all necessary force.See the Joint Resolution on the use of force.
Wasn't run through Congress by some BS non-vote.
So I don't know what you are talking about.



you don't know what i'm talking about, I guess you choose to ignore that those 70% were misinformed by bad intel (see admissions later, that they knew were wrong too), and that most of the world, including the countries sending support, had a majority of citizens against it... no argument that Obama saying prmiums won't rise is bullshit... two good reasons for that, one is ins. comapnies are screwing people over and the other is not much goes down in cost ever... I'd hardly say that's an Obama scare tactic... I'm not sure how that is a scare tactic... telling people they are going to be killed, in a possible nuke attack, and torturing other human beings, seems to be okay with neo-cons... if it works for you fine, I'm okay believing that insurance companies are gouging americans, like dems said, and then living through the crap my ins. carrier pulled when I lived in California... see, at least with disagreement, I have personal exp. of being fucked over, unlike those mushroom clouds Cheney talked about...
I can simplify my position, as a human being and an american. Getting rid of a horrible human being like Saddam, is a good thing, but killing thousands of innocents and spending away gazzilions, not worth it...
Keeping Americans safe and healthy by providing every with acess to affordable or even free healthcare, totally worth it. I sleep better at night knowing someone who lives under our flag is protected that way, other than thinknig humans had to be killed in order for a bunch of folks at Halliburton et all, to get rich off ripping us off... over a bullshit war. Do I thin I'm a better person than those who fell opposite, you bet your sweet ass I do. I'm more moral, more caring and don't give a fuck if it takes money away from those of us, who have so much already.... no one is dying over my values!!
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Reply #9306 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 11:17am
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Pdog wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 10:54am:
you don't know what i'm talking about, I guess you choose to ignore that those 70% were misinformed by bad intel (see admissions later, that they knew were wrong too), and that most of the world, including the countries sending support, had a majority of citizens against it...


just commenting on your first bit which agree with, just wondering why no one questions the source of the "bad Intel" (Israel) that led us into the false war in Iraq, it couldn't because the white house and our intelligence agencies are swarming with dual citizenship holding Israelis with ulterior motives, this kind of thing used to be called treason, but what kind of fool believes in that stuff anymore Ho Ho Ho
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Reply #9307 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 11:43am
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Let's Be Clear

All Nonsense

The procedure every(GOP)one is so up in arms about is called a "self-executing rule." How many times did the Republicans use it the last time they controlled Congress, 2005-06? More than 35 times! And the Democrats? They complained about it then too, though to the best of my knowledge there were no claims of treason.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/03/all_nonsense.php?ref=fpblg




You want to be clear funman?


Okay how's this for a start.

A gentleman by the name of Scott Brown won in Massachusetts on the campaign promise that he would be the 41st vote. 41st vote for what guys? 41st vote to stop this horrible bill. So in the bluest of blue states Brown takes "Kennedy's Seat" on that promise and folks like you still refuse to heed to will of the American people. Scott Brown made it very clear that it was, "with all due respect not the Kennedy seat, but the people's seat", and yet the Democrats are ignoring those very people.


Every single poll shows that the American people DO NOT WANT THIS BILL!!!! Every poll! Point to one single reliable poll that shows otherwise and I'll buy you a beer or ten. You can't.

Pelosi is trying to use a parliamentary trick to pass a crap bill that her House Dems are too afraid to attach their name to, and you act as if Republicans have used this move countless times before. That's a lie. Point to one instance where Republicans have passed a bill that the vast majority of Americans were so vehemently opposed to. Or one that would directly impact every single living person inside the USA. Or one that places almost 20% of the entire US economy in the hands of the federal government. Or one that mandates insurance coverage as a point of law.


This bill sucks, and the fact that you are having to defend the outright bought votes, and political blackmail involved in trying to get it passed speaks volumes as to why your party is going to get annihilated in November.


If the Democrats are so confident of the bill why won't the House hold a true "up or down" vote on it? We all know the answer to that question. They know that they would lose. You drones can continue to ignore the facts, but they are still there for all to see.

You intellectual lightweights like to pretend that it's the Republicans who are being obstructionists when the truth is that it is the American people that are objecting to this. If the Scott Brown election did not make the Democrats change course then that tells me that they don't give a damn about what the people have to say. This is all about scoring a win for a president who, to date, hasn't done a damned thing but continue his non-stop campaign to reshape the USA into his progressive ideal. Funny thing is that should this bill get signed into law it would all but guarantee a massive win for Republicans in both the House and Senate, and Obama would instantly become a lame duck president for the remainder of his first and only term in office. Obama's win in '08 notwithstanding, America is still a center right nation.

Pushing this bill through using unconstitutional means is going to provoke the most outrage this nation has ever seen on a domestic issue. Thousands of people will be taking to the streets, and mark my word, when the leadership inside DC changes there will be all kinds of legal investigations and charges filed against the ones in power now. There will be hell to pay!!

Pelosi, Reid, and Obama are not listening to the American people, and only sycophantic blinders-on drones refuse to see that FACT.


How you guys can defend this chump and continue to use the fall back "blame Bush" position proves to me that you are either, 1.) not very intelligent, or, 2.) too emotionally invested in this horrible president and repugnant Democrat leadership to admit it that you got it wrong a long ago.


"Bush created this economic disaster! Obama has to spend like this to get us out of the mess that Bush created!"- Two straight up lies!

"The Republicans used this same measure hundreds of times before!"- Bold faced lie!



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Reply #9308 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 11:44am
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Reply #9309 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 11:49am
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Obama campaigned on health care reform. The people who voted for him EXPECTED him to reform health care.

Bush did NOT campaign on a promise that he would invade Iraq...yet packed his administration with seemingly EVERY chickenhawk from the Project for a New American Century who had signed a document which said they would love to do just that IF ONLY there would be a "new Pearl Harbor" to rile up the masses. In fact, they were specific that we needed to fight TWO wars simultaneously.  Did Bush mention ANYTHING about that on the campaign trail?

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People who compare the dangers inherent in reforming health care with those inherent in starting wars have an odd perspective on things, to say the least. At least from a Christian viewpoint.
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Reply #9310 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 11:58am
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Just shut the fuck up Jesus.

Obama was a "clean" "can talk white or black" legacy candidate who was not GW Bush.

THAT is why he was elected.

Now the buyers' remorse is setting in BIG TIME in America.

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Jesus Christ wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 11:49am:
Obama campaigned on health care reform. The people who voted for him EXPECTED him to reform health care.

Bush did NOT campaign on a promise that he would invade Iraq...yet packed his administration with seemingly EVERY chickenhawk from the Project for a New American Century who had signed a document which said they would love to do just that IF ONLY there would be a "new Pearl Harbor" to rile up the masses. In fact, they were specific that we needed to fight TWO wars simultaneously.  Did Bush mention ANYTHING about that on the campaign trail?

http://www.newamericancentury.org/


People who compare the dangers inherent in reforming health care with those inherent in starting wars have an odd perspective on things, to say the least. At least from a Christian viewpoint.

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"People who compare the dangers inherent in reforming health care with those inherent in starting wars have an odd perspective on things, to say the least. "

Nice Strawman - what is that like 1000 in a series now?

The issue was the Constitutionality of passing Obamacare without a true House vote.

PDOG, who hiccupped about (among other things) Bush going to war, still has not picked up on the fact that the Iraq war was the result of a joint resolution, rather than a Pelosian attempt to avoid having to vote in the House, which is more than likely unconstitutional.

Fuman apparently has no problem with Pelosi and the House using this "self-executing" procedure instead of a vote.

Sad that some of you libs cannot wait to give Constitutional protections to terrorists through access to the US court system, but you want to strip the Constitutional requirements for passing a law that most Americans do not want!!  
 

 

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Reply #9312 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 12:45pm
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Just shut the fuck up Jesus.

Obama was a "clean" "can talk white or black" legacy candidate who was not GW Bush.

THAT is why he was elected.

Now the buyers' remorse is setting in BIG TIME in America.

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Jesus Christ wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 11:49am:
Obama campaigned on health care reform. The people who voted for him EXPECTED him to reform health care.

Bush did NOT campaign on a promise that he would invade Iraq...yet packed his administration with seemingly EVERY chickenhawk from the Project for a New American Century who had signed a document which said they would love to do just that IF ONLY there would be a "new Pearl Harbor" to rile up the masses. In fact, they were specific that we needed to fight TWO wars simultaneously.  Did Bush mention ANYTHING about that on the campaign trail?

http://www.newamericancentury.org/


People who compare the dangers inherent in reforming health care with those inherent in starting wars have an odd perspective on things, to say the least. At least from a Christian viewpoint.




Wrong. Obama was elected because of his vision for the future.
Otherwise we would have Hillary.

Palin nixed McCain's chance, thank goodness.
Apparently, there weren't enough "real American" areas to make a difference.
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Reply #9313 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 1:07pm
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nankerphelge wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 12:20pm:
"People who compare the dangers inherent in reforming health care with those inherent in starting wars have an odd perspective on things, to say the least. "

Nice Strawman - what is that like 1000 in a series now?

The issue was the Constitutionality of passing Obamacare without a true House vote.

PDOG, who hiccupped about (among other things) Bush going to war, still has not picked up on the fact that the Iraq war was the result of a joint resolution, rather than a Pelosian attempt to avoid having to vote in the House, which is more than likely unconstitutional.

Fuman apparently has no problem with Pelosi and the House using this "self-executing" procedure instead of a vote.

Sad that some of you libs cannot wait to give Constitutional protections to terrorists through access to the US court system, but you want to strip the Constitutional requirements for passing a law that most Americans do not want!!  
 

 



The obstructionist R's haven't convinced me that they have a better (or any) plan, and have in fact used the "self-executing" procedure many times themselves. But they have demonstrated that they don't want Obama to have any success, so that they might regain power. Career trumps meaningful progress.

As JC pointed out, this is what we expected with our vote for Obama.

The R's controlled everything from 2001 - 2006. Where was their HCR then? They pushed through their entire agenda (except SS privatization, thank goodness) .

Wage increases are superficial because of the annual increases in the cost of health care to employers. The fact workers still have their care constitutes their raise. Yet everything else is going up in cost, depleting the middle class.

There wasn't a serious opposition. Childish arguments. I don't buy it.
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Reply #9314 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 1:10pm
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You want to be clear funman?


Okay how's this for a start.

A gentleman by the name of Scott Brown



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Riffhard wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 11:43am:
 
won in Massachusetts on the campaign promise that he would be the 41st vote. 41st vote for what guys? 41st vote to stop this horrible bill. So in the bluest of blue states Brown takes "Kennedy's Seat" on that promise and folks like you still refuse to heed to will of the American people. Scott Brown made it very clear that it was, "with all due respect not the Kennedy seat, but the people's seat", and yet the Democrats are ignoring those very people.



...wait...so that was a NATIONAL election? You seem to be confused about how elections work, even in the "bluest of blue states", one which once had bomb-throwing anarchist Mitt Romney as a Governor. What percentage of the population of Massachusetts voted for the naked guy, and what percentage of the national population is that? How much of the outcome had anything to do with there not being a viable alternative?  Yet you're saying that's the end of the story?  You want Massachusetts to decide about healthcare reform for the whole country? When THEY already HAVE "socialized" health care?

You funny.

Riffhard wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 11:43am:
 
Every single poll shows that the American people DO NOT WANT THIS BILL!!!! Every poll! Point to one single reliable poll that shows otherwise and I'll buy you a beer or ten. You can't.


Make mine Guinness. Ten, please.



When Explained, Health Overhaul Popularity Goes Up

By Julie Rovner

Does the public really hate the health care bills? Nope. They just don't know what's in them. That's what the results of the latest Kaiser Health Tracking poll on the overhaul legislation now stalled in Congress say.




The Kaiser Family Foundation poll (no affiliation with the HMO) shows that when respondents were told about the specifics of the health bills, they usually liked them more.

For example, 73 percent of those polled by KFF said they were more supportive of the measure after hearing that the bill would provide tax credits to small businesses to help them offer coverage to their workers.

More than two-thirds increased their support when they were told the bills included insurance "exchanges" where people could go to buy health insurance.

And 63 percent said they liked overhaul more when they found out it would ban insurance companies from discriminating against people with preexisting health conditions.

The results make for an interesting contrast from the Jan. 20 Gallup poll right after Tuesday's Massachusetts special election. That one showed that the majority of Americans (55 percent) want Congress to scrap the current bill and seek alternatives.

To be sure, not every explanation of the bill drew praise. Those that lowered support for the bill included the fact that it would cost--offset by taxes and cuts to Medicare--more than $870 billion over 10 years and the fact that it would require most people to have health insurance.

And despite President Obama's vow that he will not sign a bill that would "add one dime to the deficit," only 15 percent of respondents said they expected the bill to reduce the deficit, even though 56 percent said if that were the case, they would support it.

Only 44 percent knew that the bill would close the notorious Medicare "doughnut hole," the quirk in Medicare's drug benefit where coverage stops but seniors still have to pay their premiums.

But perhaps the most ominous finding of the Kaiser poll is that after nearly a year of debate, people appear to know so little about some of the measure's key points.

Perhaps Democrats' biggest problem with the bill is not having a strategy to get it passed, but not having a strategy to explain what it does to a public that still seems to want health overhaul.

KFF has been asking the public about the bill every month for more than a year now. And while support has been slipping, according to the January tally, it's far from in the tank. In fact, according to the poll conducted Jan. 7-12, supporters of the measure slightly outnumber detractors, 42 percent to 41 percent, with 16 percent undecided, although there is a margin of error or plus or minus three percentage points.

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Reply #9315 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 1:22pm
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nankerphelge wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 12:20pm:
"People who compare the dangers inherent in reforming health care with those inherent in starting wars have an odd perspective on things, to say the least. "

Nice Strawman - what is that like 1000 in a series now?





I was talking about, and responding to, PDog's post. I'm sorry if I confused you by not specifically saying that. Maybe you haven't noticed, but this thread doesn't really follow strict rules regarding who gets to dictate what the discussion is about.


nankerphelge wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 12:20pm:
The issue was the Constitutionality of passing Obamacare without a true House vote.

PDOG, who hiccupped about (among other things) Bush going to war, still has not picked up on the fact that the Iraq war was the result of a joint resolution, rather than a Pelosian attempt to avoid having to vote in the House, which is more than likely unconstitutional.




And PDog was, I believe, answering YOU for your fairly silly comment that " the disinformation and scare has come from Obama and the Dems just as much." 

Both parties are full of half-wits and scoundrels - but there's no contest when it comes to scaring people with untruths. You guys own that one, hands down.

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You might have wondered, as I did, why passing health care "without a vote" is taking so damn long.

But one place where they're not even capable of that level of reflection is Fox "News".

Watch as anchor Margaret MacCallum walks into the trap we discussed yesterday, but like most Foxbots, is undaunted by the inherent contradiction of her own reporting:

MacCallum: "There are a lot of people who are upset about this idea that there wouldn't be a vote on the floor, and that people wouldn't be held accountable, necessarily, for that vote on the floor if they use this "deem and pass" thing -- this "deem and pass" procedure. They feel like it's a bit of a magic sort of thing."

That's the fight she tries to set up with Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA-07). But of course, she does so ignoring the fact that minutes earlier, she'd breathlessly reported the breaking news that Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH-10) was changing his vote on passage from a no to a yes.

Lost in her head (and millions of other heads who listen to her): What difference would it make if Dennis Kucinich were changing his vote, if they were telling the truth about the bill being passed without a vote?

The whole Republican play here -- and yes, Fox "News" is running the Republican playbook -- is to purposefully confuse the fact that a vote will be held with the much better-sounding story that there will be no vote.

And the rest of the media will turn their eyes away and pretend Fox reporters are their colleagues in good standing.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/17/847131/-Hey-FOX:-If-theyre-passing-HCR-w...
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Reply #9317 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 2:12pm
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Jesus Christ wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 11:49am:
Bush did NOT campaign on a promise that he would invade Iraq...yet packed his administration with seemingly EVERY chickenhawk from the Project for a New American Century who had signed a document which said they would love to do just that IF ONLY there would be a "new Pearl Harbor" to rile up the masses. In fact, they were specific that we needed to fight TWO wars simultaneously.  Did Bush mention ANYTHING about that on the campaign trail?

http://www.newamericancentury.org/



Absolutely and all after a suspiciously rigged election to boot

What about Rummy on 9/10/2001 admitting 2 TRILLION had gone missing from the pentagons books while avionics remote control buff and head PNAC member rabbi Dov Zakheim was chief financial officer there. Then miraculously the next day scary terrorist, super-ninja Hani Hanjour with his minimal flight skills (flunked out of flight school, couldnt even fly a cesna) managed to not only make NORAD stand down, but manouvers a 757 into part of the accounting offices at the pentagon.

What a great day for PNAC chicken hawks and the military industrial complex

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU&feature=PlayList&p=D1D163A084936586&p...

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/victims/pentagonkilled.html
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Reply #9318 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 2:19pm
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SemiahmooDude wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 11:58am:
Just shut the fuck up Jesus.

Obama was a "clean" "can talk white or black" legacy candidate who was not GW Bush.

THAT is why he was elected.

Now the buyers' remorse is setting in BIG TIME in America.

It's akin to waking up after an all night bender with a couple different pair of feet staring back at you and a goat running around the room.

You scratch your head and say, "What the hell..."



You seem to have missed the moderator's recent plea for civility.  Maybe you had the new Schitz & Giggles CD turned up too loud to hear it. (That cornpone song is really super!)

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From now on the proper format is:

"PLEASE shut the fuck up Jesus. Thanks in advance, SemicomatoseDoosh"

Not that your post wasn't pithy.

It had pith aplenty.

Your story about your night with the goat was interesting, but don't let it make you bitter.

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Reply #9319 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 3:18pm
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Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 2:12pm:
Absolutely and all after a suspiciously rigged election to boot

What about Rummy on 9/10/2001 admitting 2 TRILLION had gone missing from the pentagons books while avionics remote control buff and head PNAC member rabbi Dov Zakheim was chief financial officer there. Then miraculously the next day scary terrorist, super-ninja Hani Hanjour with his minimal flight skills (flunked out of flight school, couldnt even fly a cesna) managed to not only make NORAD stand down, but manouvers a 757 into part of the accounting offices at the pentagon.



I'm not a Truther. 

The members of the Project for a New American Century and their desire for the wars which we are still stuck with are matters of public record.   No need to delve into science fiction.

Funny thing, though...every one of those A-holes have shuffled off the world stage into comfortable obscurity - but their most cherished dream, a permanent state of war, is still with us.
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Reply #9320 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 3:47pm
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Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 11:17am:
Pdog wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 10:54am:
you don't know what i'm talking about, I guess you choose to ignore that those 70% were misinformed by bad intel (see admissions later, that they knew were wrong too), and that most of the world, including the countries sending support, had a majority of citizens against it...


just commenting on your first bit which agree with, just wondering why no one questions the source of the "bad Intel" (Israel) that led us into the false war in Iraq, it couldn't because the white house and our intelligence agencies are swarming with dual citizenship holding Israelis with ulterior motives, this kind of thing used to be called treason, but what kind of fool believes in that stuff anymore Ho Ho Ho



hohoho ... true... not only that, but just vital financial interests at stake too...
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Reply #9321 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 3:48pm
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Riffhard wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 11:43am:
fuman wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 10:50am:
Let's Be Clear

All Nonsense

The procedure every(GOP)one is so up in arms about is called a "self-executing rule." How many times did the Republicans use it the last time they controlled Congress, 2005-06? More than 35 times! And the Democrats? They complained about it then too, though to the best of my knowledge there were no claims of treason.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/03/all_nonsense.php?ref=fpblg




You want to be clear funman?


Okay how's this for a start.

A gentleman by the name of Scott Brown won in Massachusetts on the campaign promise that he would be the 41st vote. 41st vote for what guys? 41st vote to stop this horrible bill. So in the bluest of blue states Brown takes "Kennedy's Seat" on that promise and folks like you still refuse to heed to will of the American people. Scott Brown made it very clear that it was, "with all due respect not the Kennedy seat, but the people's seat", and yet the Democrats are ignoring those very people.


Every single poll shows that the American people DO NOT WANT THIS BILL!!!! Every poll! Point to one single reliable poll that shows otherwise and I'll buy you a beer or ten. You can't.

Pelosi is trying to use a parliamentary trick to pass a crap bill that her House Dems are too afraid to attach their name to, and you act as if Republicans have used this move countless times before. That's a lie. Point to one instance where Republicans have passed a bill that the vast majority of Americans were so vehemently opposed to. Or one that would directly impact every single living person inside the USA. Or one that places almost 20% of the entire US economy in the hands of the federal government. Or one that mandates insurance coverage as a point of law.


This bill sucks, and the fact that you are having to defend the outright bought votes, and political blackmail involved in trying to get it passed speaks volumes as to why your party is going to get annihilated in November.


If the Democrats are so confident of the bill why won't the House hold a true "up or down" vote on it? We all know the answer to that question. They know that they would lose. You drones can continue to ignore the facts, but they are still there for all to see.

You intellectual lightweights like to pretend that it's the Republicans who are being obstructionists when the truth is that it is the American people that are objecting to this. If the Scott Brown election did not make the Democrats change course then that tells me that they don't give a damn about what the people have to say. This is all about scoring a win for a president who, to date, hasn't done a damned thing but continue his non-stop campaign to reshape the USA into his progressive ideal. Funny thing is that should this bill get signed into law it would all but guarantee a massive win for Republicans in both the House and Senate, and Obama would instantly become a lame duck president for the remainder of his first and only term in office. Obama's win in '08 notwithstanding, America is still a center right nation.

Pushing this bill through using unconstitutional means is going to provoke the most outrage this nation has ever seen on a domestic issue. Thousands of people will be taking to the streets, and mark my word, when the leadership inside DC changes there will be all kinds of legal investigations and charges filed against the ones in power now. There will be hell to pay!!

Pelosi, Reid, and Obama are not listening to the American people, and only sycophantic blinders-on drones refuse to see that FACT.


How you guys can defend this chump and continue to use the fall back "blame Bush" position proves to me that you are either, 1.) not very intelligent, or, 2.) too emotionally invested in this horrible president and repugnant Democrat leadership to admit it that you got it wrong a long ago.


"Bush created this economic disaster! Obama has to spend like this to get us out of the mess that Bush created!"- Two straight up lies!

"The Republicans used this same measure hundreds of times before!"- Bold faced lie!



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you think 41 is a majority don't you... and b/c it came from a certain state, maybe you think 41 is really 51... ahahaha
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Reply #9322 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 3:52pm
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Jesus Christ wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 1:22pm:
nankerphelge wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 12:20pm:
"People who compare the dangers inherent in reforming health care with those inherent in starting wars have an odd perspective on things, to say the least. "

Nice Strawman - what is that like 1000 in a series now?





I was talking about, and responding to, PDog's post. I'm sorry if I confused you by not specifically saying that. Maybe you haven't noticed, but this thread doesn't really follow strict rules regarding who gets to dictate what the discussion is about.


nankerphelge wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 12:20pm:
The issue was the Constitutionality of passing Obamacare without a true House vote.

PDOG, who hiccupped about (among other things) Bush going to war, still has not picked up on the fact that the Iraq war was the result of a joint resolution, rather than a Pelosian attempt to avoid having to vote in the House, which is more than likely unconstitutional.




And PDog was, I believe, answering YOU for your fairly silly comment that " the disinformation and scare has come from Obama and the Dems just as much."  

Both parties are full of half-wits and scoundrels - but there's no contest when it comes to scaring people with untruths. You guys own that one, hands down.




yes JC, thx for clearing that, i may have hiccupped, but he decided to just skip past his remark, which actually was the topic... Fear, which he brought up... must be a skipcup...
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Reply #9323 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 4:05pm
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That seems more than fair, as does yesterday's suggestion that everyone re-read the membership agreement. To wit:


You agree, through your use of this YaBB forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually-oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of ANY law.

Hmmmm...is there any one poster in particular whose posts EVERY single one of those adjectives apply to? Now, granted, the stuff he's posted which is "invasive of a person's privacy" regarding me is WRONG - but he thinks it's the truth, and that oughta count for something.

So, is there a prize handed out for breaking every single one of the membership agreements?  I guess maybe that's what he was talking about when he said he wasn't interested in "petty morals".





that's the lamest pass the buck excuse i've ever heard.

go ahead then jesus...cast the first stone.

jesus?

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Reply #9324 - Mar 17th, 2010 at 4:37pm
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Pdog wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 3:47pm:
Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 11:17am:
Pdog wrote on Mar 17th, 2010 at 10:54am:
you don't know what i'm talking about, I guess you choose to ignore that those 70% were misinformed by bad intel (see admissions later, that they knew were wrong too), and that most of the world, including the countries sending support, had a majority of citizens against it...


just commenting on your first bit which agree with, just wondering why no one questions the source of the "bad Intel" (Israel) that led us into the false war in Iraq, it couldn't because the white house and our intelligence agencies are swarming with dual citizenship holding Israelis with ulterior motives, this kind of thing used to be called treason, but what kind of fool believes in that stuff anymore Ho Ho Ho



hohoho ... true... not only that, but just vital financial interests at stake too...


Right, oil and fat military/govt contracts, plus one less muslim enemy on the Israelies radar, just like it's layed out in the PNAC report and onward we will march to Iran   

You have to wonder just who would Blackwater have to rape and plunder if we're weren't in the middle east
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