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Question: What item is most likely found in the top drawer of Riffy's dresser?

naked pictures of Reagan    
  5 (20.0%)
Barry O voodoo doll    
  3 (12.0%)
Hoffa's body    
  2 (8.0%)
DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
  1 (4.0%)
JC's boss's phone number    
  2 (8.0%)
bucket of chicken    
  5 (20.0%)
three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
  3 (12.0%)
"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
  4 (16.0%)




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Reply #9250 - Mar 12th, 2010 at 12:46pm
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Starbuck wrote on Mar 12th, 2010 at 11:31am:
point number two:

Riffhard wrote on Mar 11th, 2010 at 6:21pm:
LOL! What a pathetic little turd you are. There has been one person on this thread that has constantly and consistently brought up religion again and again, and done so in a way that mocks anyone of faith. Then he gets called out on his blatant bigotry, and you, being the thoughtless little bitch that you are, decide to jump into the fire and call out the posters that were merely defending their religious beliefs. Nobody has been preaching anything on this thread regarding faith, quite to the contrary, in fact, you stupid harpy.  You get your knickers in a twist because some people decided to tell funman to knock it off?! Really? You're that shallow? Or did you just decide that you would weigh in on the subject even though it's obvious that you haven't read the thread. I have to think that you either just decided to slam those people that you dissagree with out of pure spite, or that you are just an asshole of the highest order. I'd wager that it's a combonation of the two.



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seriously riffblatz...do you think that responses like your above posts help the situation? will they get anyone to listen to you and respect your point of view? calling people asswipes, c*nts, limp wristed dillwhipples, and then asking them to go fuck themselves with a sharp stick is completely pointless...it only serves to inflame the situation. do you light up a cigarette when you stop at gas stations? and i know....you would be happy to buy the first round and shoot the shit at the next summit...none of this is really serious....well, why not take the high road and stop it with the childish insults? especially when you have valid points to defend?

you need to step back from this thread again for awhile and come back when you can chill out a bit.




LOL! Yeah Bucky, you're prolly right. Though I must say that I love "limp wristed dillwhipples"! I only wish that I'd have come up with it.


Facts on the ground are proving my point about Barry and the far left libs that have hijacked the Democrat party anyway. That is why this thread has jumped the shark, and moved to the realm of insulting people's religious beliefs. I'm sure that had my entire self identified political belief system so utterly and completely shit the bed the way many on this thread's has I might feel like lashing out on a different subject as well. What better way to insult someone than go after a topic that so many hold sacredly and privately. It's obviously a very classless thing to do, but so too is telling some drone to go fuck themselves with a sharp stick.

That said, I retract that comment, and apologize for it. Now let's see if there is any reciprocation. I'm not holding my breath.


Meanwhile, back on topic------->http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/11/AR2010031102904....



It only gets worser and worser for the idiot living at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.





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Reply #9251 - Mar 12th, 2010 at 12:51pm
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Riffhard wrote on Mar 12th, 2010 at 12:46pm:
LOL! Yeah Bucky, you're prolly right. Though I must say that I love "limp wristed dillwhipples"! I only wish that I'd have come up with it.


Facts on the ground are proving my point about Barry and the far left libs that have hijacked the Democrat party anyway. That is why this thread has jumped the shark, and moved to the realm of insulting people's religious beliefs. I'm sure that had my entire self identified political belief system so utterly and completely shit the bed the way many on this thread's has I might feel like lashing out on a different subject as well. What better way to insult someone than go after a topic that so many hold sacredly and privately. It's obviously a very classless thing to do, but so too is telling some drone to go fuck themselves with a sharp stick.

That said, I retract that comment, and apologize for it. Now let's see if there is any reciprocation. I'm not holding my breath.


Meanwhile, back on topic------->http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/11/AR2010031102904....



It only gets worser and worser for the idiot living at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.





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i feel we've made some serious progress here today!

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Reply #9253 - Mar 12th, 2010 at 1:36pm
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Reply #9254 - Mar 12th, 2010 at 2:21pm
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Starbuck wrote on Mar 12th, 2010 at 12:51pm:
Riffhard wrote on Mar 12th, 2010 at 12:46pm:
LOL! Yeah Bucky, you're prolly right. Though I must say that I love "limp wristed dillwhipples"! I only wish that I'd have come up with it.


Facts on the ground are proving my point about Barry and the far left libs that have hijacked the Democrat party anyway. That is why this thread has jumped the shark, and moved to the realm of insulting people's religious beliefs. I'm sure that had my entire self identified political belief system so utterly and completely shit the bed the way many on this thread's has I might feel like lashing out on a different subject as well. What better way to insult someone than go after a topic that so many hold sacredly and privately. It's obviously a very classless thing to do, but so too is telling some drone to go fuck themselves with a sharp stick.

That said, I retract that comment, and apologize for it. Now let's see if there is any reciprocation. I'm not holding my breath.


Meanwhile, back on topic------->http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/11/AR2010031102904....



It only gets worser and worser for the idiot living at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.





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i feel we've made some serious progress here today!

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Reply #9255 - Mar 12th, 2010 at 4:40pm
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religion, faith, spirituality are not the same... some of you need to know the difference before you go half cocked thinking you've been persoanlly insulted!!!

it's pretty evident, Riffy can't practice the beleif he claims to have, and doesn't show the faith in it, and i'm pretty sure he doesn't have a daily spiritual practice. dude has been going off on people for years, as groups and indivduals. who cares what his religion is, b/c he don't practice the beliefs of any. every single religion talks about forgiveness, none excluded. And he has said outright, he refuses to forgive Jon, who he thinks is JC, and justifies being rude on here. the bible, tora and koran all say the same thing... we forgive others... period. terorrists don't kill over religion, just like hitler didn't kill ove rreligion. people hated groups and demonized those groups... and no spiritual practice or act of faith was involved... religion is an entirely different matter... get out your dictionaries smart folk. it might be semantics, but an aplle isn't an orange, even if they are both fruit. nothing is more ridiculous to a person of faith, ME!... than to watch people get all offended, over some presumed attack on religion, which has nothing to do with their daily spiritual practice, if they actually have one... it is pretty easy to spot false offense... it's like palin towards letterman and then limbaugh and the retard thing...

ask your spiritual guide, if you have one... maybe you can get some guidance... i've talked for years about how i pray and my connection to god and family... riffy, you talk hate... your god sucks!!! and anyone who shares his god, need not be offended, if you have faith and a spiritual life... see the difference?
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Reply #9256 - Mar 13th, 2010 at 11:51am
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I saw this post on a thread at Politico and thought it was spot on.


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Obama's lack of experience , lack of accomplishment, razor thin resume, and character deficiencies were all perfectly obvious before the election. Obama voters can only blame themselves for their own self-delusion in believing this man was competent and capable of being President of the United States.

Instead, you chose to damage the country and its people by throwing caution to the wind and allowing yourselves to get drunk on platitudes.

Wishful thinking never survives reality.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34360.html#ixzz0i526VVkk
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Looks like Marco Rubio has been playing fast and loose with money--about $600,000 worth, according to a detailed analysis by the St. Petersburg Times/Miami Herald, and it's catching up with him:

       * Rubio failed to disclose $34,000 in expenses — including $7,000 he paid himself — for one of the committees in 2003 and 2004, as required by state law

       * One committee paid relatives nearly $14,000 for what was incorrectly described to the IRS as "courier fees" and listed a nonexistent address for one of them. Another committee paid $5,700 to his wife, who was listed as the treasurer, much of it for "gas and meals."

       * He billed more than $51,000 in unidentified "travel expenses'' to three different credit cards — nearly one-quarter of the committee's entire haul. Charges are not required to be itemized, but other lawmakers detailed almost all of their committee expenses.

    Rubio's spending continued in 2005 when the Republican Party of Florida handed him a credit card to use at his own discretion. While serving as House speaker in 2007 and 2008, he charged thousands of dollars in restaurant tabs to the state party at the same time taxpayers were subsidizing his meals in Tallahassee.

The article explores Rubio's rapid rise in Florida politics, from "barely solvent" state lawmaker to the flush U.S. Senate candidate we're hearing about today, all courtesy of special interest money.


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This isn't getting much attention in the US, but it's a big one: The Pope's in trouble.

Trouble, trouble. Not-going-away trouble. Run-out-of-office trouble. It's a potentially transformative moment in matters of religion and of power, wherein even the infallible turns out to be vulnerable. Some of us live for such moments.

It's the priest sex story, the same one we've already done -- and done. But now it's popping up in Germany, Austria, and the Netherlands, all markets which make the American news media yawn. But come on. The priest sex story is one of the best we've had. It's one of the ones that the media of our time is going to be remembered for. It's the ultimate destruction of façade; the giving of voice to silence; the catching of deer and hypocrites in the headlights. It's our triumph.

It's also, on the other hand, our shame. Because who hasn't known for generations that that's what priests were doing? And yet the story went untold. It had to wait for 30 or 40 years for public sensibility to catch up with it before it was told.

And it's still told with an absurd tact and respect. It's still a story about errant and deviant priests instead of a story, as the numbers indicate, of not just a spectacular cover-up, but of a clear sexual predisposition. This was a driving motivation of priests joining the church: sex with boys.

So far, it's been an American thing which the Vatican has been remote and rather haughty about: vulgar American media. But now the story is everywhere in Europe and it includes the Pope's brother, Msgr. Georg Ratzinger.


I wish they would allow these guys to marry. Reason, not obedience, should guide our lives.
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Reply #9259 - Mar 13th, 2010 at 9:05pm
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Riffhard wrote on Mar 13th, 2010 at 11:51am:
I saw this post on a thread at Politico and thought it was spot on.


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Obama's lack of experience , lack of accomplishment, razor thin resume, and character deficiencies were all perfectly obvious before the election. Obama voters can only blame themselves for their own self-delusion in believing this man was competent and capable of being President of the United States.

Instead, you chose to damage the country and its people by throwing caution to the wind and allowing yourselves to get drunk on platitudes.

Wishful thinking never survives reality.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34360.html#ixzz0i526VVkk

"Spot on," of course, means "identical to Riffy's opinion."  This is the "information cocoon" that David Brooks (I prefer reading the opinions of intelligent conservatives; I guess that makes me an elitist) writes about in this NYT column (which, while I don't agree with some of its assumptions, gets Barack about right, and shows why Riffy and his friends on Politico get him so wrong):

Getting Obama Right by David Brooks (New York Times)

Who is Barack Obama?

If you ask a conservative Republican, you are likely to hear that Obama is a skilled politician who campaigned as a centrist but is governing as a big-government liberal.  He plays by ruthless, Chicago politics rules.  He is arrogant toward foes, condescending toward allies and runs a partisan political machine.  

If you ask a liberal Democrat, you are likely to hear that Obama is an inspiring but overly intellectual leader who has trouble making up his mind and fighting for his positions.  He has not defined a clear mission.  He has allowed the Republicans to dominate debate.  He is too quick to compromise and too cerebral to push things through.

You'll notice first that these two viewpoints are diametrically opposed.  You'll observe, second, that they are entirely predictable.  Political partisans always imagine the other side is ruthlessly effective and that the public would be with them if only their side had better messaging.  And finally, you'll notice that both views distort reality.  They tell you more about the information cocoons that partisans live in these days than about Obama himself.

The fact is, Obama is as he always has been, a center-left pragmatic reformer.  Every time he tries to articulate a grand philosophy--from his book "The Audacity of Hope" to his joint-session health care speech last September--he always describes a moderately activist government restrained by a sense of trade-offs.  He always uses the same on-the-one-hand-on-the-other sentence structure.  Government should address problems without interfering with the dynamism of the market.

He has tried to find this balance in a town without an organized center--in a town in which liberals chair the main committees and small-government conservatives lead the opposition.  He has tried to do it in a context maximally inhospitable to his aims.

But he has done it with tremendous tenacity.  Readers of this column know that I've been critical on health care and other matters.  Obama is four clicks to my left on most issues.  He is inadequate on the greatest moral challenge of our day:  the $9.7 trillion in new debt being created this decade.  He has misread the country, imagining a hunger for federal activism that doesn't exist.  But he is still the most realistic and reasonable player in Washington.

Liberals are wrong to call him weak and indecisive.  He's just not always pursuing their aims.  Conservatives are wrong to call him a big-government liberal.  That's just not a fair reading of his agenda.

Take health care.  He has pushed a program that expands coverage, creates exchanges and moderately tinkers with the status quo--too moderately to restrain costs.  To call this an orthodox liberal plan is an absurdity.  It more closely resembles the center-left deals cut by Tom Daschle and Bob Dole, or Ted Kennedy and Mitt Romney.  Obama has pushed this program with a tenacity unmatched in modern political history; with more tenacity than Bill Clinton pushed his health care plan or George W. Bush pushed Social Security reform.

Take education.  Obama has taken on a Democratic constituency, the teachers' unions, with a courage not seen since George W. Bush took on the anti-immigration forces in his own party.  In a remarkable speech on March 1, he went straight at the guardians of the status quo by calling for the removal of failing teachers in failing schools.  Obama has been the most determined education reformer in the modern presidency.

Take foreign policy.  To the consternation of many on the left, Obama has continued about 80 percent of the policies of the second Bush term.  Obama conducted a long review of the Afghan policy and was genuinely moved by the evidence.  He has emerged as a liberal hawk, pursuing victory in Iraq and adopting an Afghan surge that has already utterly transformed the momentum in that war.  The Taliban is now in retreat and its leaders are being assassinated or captured at a steady rate.

Take finance.  Obama and Tim Geithner are vilified on the left as craven to Wall Street and on the right as clueless bureaucrats who know nothing about how markets function.  But they have tried with halting success to find a center-left set of restraints to provide some stability to market operations.  

In a sensible country, people would see Obama as a president trying to define a modern brand of moderate progressivism.  In a sensible country, Obama would be able to clearly define this project without fear of offending the people he needs to get legislation passed.  But we don't live in that country.  We live in a country in which many people live in information cocoons in which they only talk to members of their own party and read blogs of their own sect.  They come away with perceptions fundamentally at odds with reality, fundamentally misunderstanding the man in the Oval Office.  
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Reply #9260 - Mar 14th, 2010 at 12:59pm
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Interesting post Brainbell.
I was amazed to hear of GWB taking on the anti-immigration forces in his own party.
I don't know how politically brave it was, but it did show he had a moral sensibility, in that regard anyway.


Found this on Mudflats:

Palm Pilot to Nowhere

Palin’s still on the palm thing.  At a speech in Orlando, she referenced yet again the infamous palm writing incident where she had to write the words “Energy, Tax Cuts, and Lift America’s Spirits” on her hand so she’d remember the three things she’d do if she were President of the United States.  Palin the presidential wannabe described the incident by saying she was “busted for using a poor man’s TelePrompter,” and went on to elaborate, “I was just kicking it old school.  It’s the way we used to do it.”   Your assignment for the weekend is to find another human being who is closer to 50 than 40 who uses the phrase ”kicking it old school” without humiliating their children by trying to sound like one of them, and failing miserably.

She also told the audience to get a Bible and look up Isaiah 49:16, which reads, “Behold, I have inscribed you on the palms of My hands.”  ”If writing on one’s palm was good enough for God, then it’s good enough for the rest of us,” she spake.  Hmm.  Drowning almost every living thing on Earth was good enough for God too.  So was turning people into pillars of salt.  And there was lots of smiting going on there for a while, if I remember correctly.  Can we expect her to start striking people dead?  The “it’s good enough for God so it’s good enough for me” defense might be interesting in a court of law.

And from the Mudflats comments:

“Isaiah 49:14-16 (New International Version)
14 But Zion said, “The LORD has forsaken me, the Lord has forgotten me.”
15 “Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne?
     Though she may forget, I will not forget you!
16 See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands; your walls are ever before me.”


Thanks for kickin’ it old school and putting granny blah blah’s “handwriting” In Context….amazing how perspectives change when we move from snippet to Chapter And Verse, eh?

They say a Little Knowledge is a dangerous thing; I would add that a Lot of Learning makes us Safer.

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David Brooks is conservative? Sure. If by conservative you mean the kind of wishy washy conservative that the NYT calls a conservative. The guy is an elitist snob of the highest order, and he is about as much a conservative as Joe Lieberman is a liberal. Which means that he holds some conservative views, but is really a wolf in sheep's clothing. Why is it that not one of Reagan's cabinet members would ever call Brooks a conservative. Just because the NYT or BJ call Brooks a conservative does not make it so.


Obama is a charismatic demagogue. Nothing more. He is easily the most far lefy president that this nation has ever elected, and it for this very reason that he is shedding independants at a record pace.


As you so love to claim that Levin gets it wrong. I'll let him destroy the notion of Brook's supposed conservatism. Here's your first clue BJ-You, nor the NYT, gets to pick who is a true conservative. Brooks is the farthest thing from one.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK_OgIgoqRc



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LOL! Wow! This one's even better. The figurative disemboweling of the phony conservative David Brooks. BJ this is what true conservatives think about the New York Time's definition of conservatives like David Brooks.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hM0rmJfB1M&NR=1



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Reply #9263 - Mar 14th, 2010 at 6:19pm
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Hmmm, party purity tests. Purity.

Where have I heard that before?
Who was it that was seeking the purity of a group?
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*sigh*

riffy sucks harder than the crackhead going for the last hit!!!
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Reply #9266 - Mar 14th, 2010 at 7:50pm
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Harry Reid puts the spin on taxation here:

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Reply #9267 - Mar 14th, 2010 at 7:57pm
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I knew that posting a David Brooks column would have two salutary effects:  first, offering a reasonable and balanced opposition voice to discuss; and second, inducing Riffy to offer the unreasonable and unbalanced voices of "true" conservatives in contradiction.  I was not disappointed.  Any of you who are not hopeless partisans locked in information cocoons, note well the contrast between Brooks and Riffy's braying true believers.  The voice of reason, it will become clear, at this point emanates from the White House.
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Reply #9268 - Mar 14th, 2010 at 8:03pm
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fuman wrote on Mar 14th, 2010 at 6:58pm:
Hmmm, party purity tests. Purity.

Where have I heard that before?
Who was it that was seeking the purity of a group?




Purity tests? Is that what Pelosi is telling the Blue Dogs these days, funman?


Perhaps you can explain the "Slaughter Solution" towards health care reform, funman?

You are fully aware that what Pelosi is about to do with this monstrosity if a bill is 100% unconstitutional, don't you funman?


Your party is trying to remake America in the image of some nonexistent liberal utopia, at massive costs to all of us, and their first major step to that end is controlling a full 17% of the American economy, and the individual lives of every man, woman, and child in this country. You are too emotionally invested in this ideologue and his band of idiots to even realize that you are feeding a crocodile. You're thick. It's either that or you are a true believer in socialism. Which is it? Are you a socialist or an idiot? Redundant I know, but where do come down on that question?

So go google the "Slaughter solution" and then brush up on the US Constitution. Pay especially close attention to Article 1, Section 7, Clause 2.


You've been had, funman. You, and every other brain washed drone on this thread. Now we're all about to screwed because of dolts like you.


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Reply #9269 - Mar 14th, 2010 at 8:08pm
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Reply #9270 - Mar 14th, 2010 at 8:13pm
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Brainbell Jangler wrote on Mar 14th, 2010 at 7:57pm:
I knew that posting a David Brooks column would have two salutary effects:  first, offering a reasonable and balanced opposition voice to discuss; and second, inducing Riffy to offer the unreasonable and unbalanced voices of "true" conservatives in contradiction.  I was not disappointed.  Any of you who are not hopeless partisans locked in information cocoons, note well the contrast between Brooks and Riffy's braying true believers.  The voice of reason, it will become clear, at this point emanates from the White House.




Funny how you call only a pseudo conservative on the NYT's payroll "reasonable and balanced". This moron has been licking the boots of Obama since his 2004 speech at the DNC.

Partisan? Gee, nobody in the White House is partisan these days, huh BJ? You'd be foolish to call Pelosi partisan, huh BJ? It certainly wasn't partisan when Reid blocked the Republicans from attending the "Dems only" back room deals for health care, huh BJ?



Nooooo!!!!!


Only conservatives are partisan. Isn't that about right, BJ?


Oh, and by the way BJ, what's your take on the op-ed from Pat Caddell and Doug Schone from last week in the WaPo? You read, right BJ?


If not, here----->http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/11/AR2010031102904....



Do these two guys pass funman's "purity test" that he falsley accuse me of?


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Reply #9271 - Mar 14th, 2010 at 8:27pm
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Riffhard wrote on Mar 14th, 2010 at 8:03pm:
fuman wrote on Mar 14th, 2010 at 6:58pm:
Hmmm, party purity tests. Purity.

Where have I heard that before?
Who was it that was seeking the purity of a group?




Purity tests? Is that what Pelosi is telling the Blue Dogs these days, funman?


Perhaps you can explain the "Slaughter Solution" towards health care reform, funman?

You are fully aware that what Pelosi is about to do with this monstrosity if a bill is 100% unconstitutional, don't you funman?


Your party is trying to remake America in the image of some nonexistent liberal utopia, at massive costs to all of us, and their first major step to that end is controlling a full 17% of the American economy, and the individual lives of every man, woman, and child in this country. You are too emotionally invested in this ideologue and his band of idiots to even realize that you are feeding a crocodile. You're thick. It's either that or you are a true believer in socialism. Which is it? Are you a socialist or an idiot? Redundant I know, but where do come down on that question?

So go google the "Slaughter solution" and then brush up on the US Constitution. Pay especially close attention to Article 1, Section 7, Clause 2.


You've been had, funman. You, and every other brain washed drone on this thread. Now we're all about to screwed because of dolts like you.


Riffy


My pro HCR position is based on a few things.
- HMO's are dropping people that have paid their dues, because their treatment is not profitable.
- With the massive loss of jobs we're recently seen, families are losing coverage. Children.
- Pre-existing conditions are not a reason to deny coverage, yet it's common.
- 130% rate increases since 2001. 30-50% more in the past month.

Spare me the rhetoric. I have paid attention, beyond the BS our mainstream media tells us. Faux hasn't spoke one truth. Not one.
Can't you see that you side with your own party's position. You fit the same accusation you apply to me.

I will take credit for the Obama years, if you take credit for the Bush years.

Do you really believe that without government regulation, the market will correct itself? After what we've just seen?


PS Where have I read this before: "How dare you label me stupid for my beliefs." ????
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Reply #9272 - Mar 14th, 2010 at 8:30pm
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Pdog wrote on Mar 14th, 2010 at 8:08pm:
stupid conservative!




Pdog, it hurts me to say this, but here goes. You got no game. Have you not noticed my decidedly more civil tone recently? Hey, I'm trying. I'm cutting back on the harshness of tone. It hurts that you haven't noticed. Let's put aside the vulgarity. Though I was as guilty as anyone of deploying it, I have decided on a new tact. Why not argue with facts, Pdog?


For example, I told funman to go google the "Slaughter solution", maybe you should do that as well. Then you can come back here and argue your position that Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are not really trying to completely ignore the will of the American people, and are not really trashing the US Constitution. I'll take the opposite position and then we can present our supporting evidence. Stuff like actual facts and historical reference points. Sound good to you, Pdog?


So, just to nutshell this. You find a way defending your position, and I'll bring the US Constitution.



Riffy


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Reply #9273 - Mar 14th, 2010 at 8:33pm
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fuman wrote on Mar 13th, 2010 at 2:59pm:
This isn't getting much attention in the US, but it's a big one: The Pope's in trouble.

Trouble, trouble. Not-going-away trouble. Run-out-of-office trouble. It's a potentially transformative moment in matters of religion and of power, wherein even the infallible turns out to be vulnerable. Some of us live for such moments.

It's the priest sex story, the same one we've already done -- and done. But now it's popping up in Germany, Austria, and the Netherlands, all markets which make the American news media yawn. But come on. The priest sex story is one of the best we've had. It's one of the ones that the media of our time is going to be remembered for. It's the ultimate destruction of façade; the giving of voice to silence; the catching of deer and hypocrites in the headlights. It's our triumph.

It's also, on the other hand, our shame. Because who hasn't known for generations that that's what priests were doing? And yet the story went untold. It had to wait for 30 or 40 years for public sensibility to catch up with it before it was told.

And it's still told with an absurd tact and respect. It's still a story about errant and deviant priests instead of a story, as the numbers indicate, of not just a spectacular cover-up, but of a clear sexual predisposition. This was a driving motivation of priests joining the church: sex with boys.

So far, it's been an American thing which the Vatican has been remote and rather haughty about: vulgar American media. But now the story is everywhere in Europe and it includes the Pope's brother, Msgr. Georg Ratzinger.


I wish they would allow these guys to marry. Reason, not obedience, should guide our lives.


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Reply #9274 - Mar 14th, 2010 at 10:07pm
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Riffhard wrote on Mar 14th, 2010 at 8:30pm:
Pdog wrote on Mar 14th, 2010 at 8:08pm:
stupid conservative!




Pdog, it hurts me to say this, but here goes. You got no game. Have you not noticed my decidedly more civil tone recently? Hey, I'm trying. I'm cutting back on the harshness of tone. It hurts that you haven't noticed. Let's put aside the vulgarity. Though I was as guilty as anyone of deploying it, I have decided on a new tact. Why not argue with facts, Pdog?


For example, I told funman to go google the "Slaughter solution", maybe you should do that as well. Then you can come back here and argue your position that Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are not really trying to completely ignore the will of the American people, and are not really trashing the US Constitution. I'll take the opposite position and then we can present our supporting evidence. Stuff like actual facts and historical reference points. Sound good to you, Pdog?


So, just to nutshell this. You find a way defending your position, and I'll bring the US Constitution.



Riffy




Interesting choice of words, game.

That's what the R's chose to do while it was getting worked out. We heard death panels for granny, nazi/facist/socialist, and a bunch of other political "games" from the R's. They didn't have an argument so they played games. Who bought that.

The only reason HCR polls lower now is because there isn't a public option.

That was another political game from the Senate R's, but it was a gamble. They figured that there will have to be more voting after the PO was put in by the House. But now they're stuck They won't get a new batch of sound bites to campaign on. They already passed it. Now, reconcile the budgetary problems and pass it.

Now on to energy. That's jobs and national security. The climate and the environment will benefit not to mention human health.
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