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Question: What item is most likely found in the top drawer of Riffy's dresser?

naked pictures of Reagan    
  5 (20.0%)
Barry O voodoo doll    
  3 (12.0%)
Hoffa's body    
  2 (8.0%)
DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
  1 (4.0%)
JC's boss's phone number    
  2 (8.0%)
bucket of chicken    
  5 (20.0%)
three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
  3 (12.0%)
"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
  4 (16.0%)




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Reply #9175 - Mar 9th, 2010 at 12:10pm
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claudine longhet wrote on Mar 9th, 2010 at 11:32am:
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"Why are you so damned intent on proving that God does not exist? What is your point? Are you trying to claim that you have some intellectual superiority"

Riffy, check his avatar. He either has no idea what he is doing or he knows exactly what he's doing. Both frighten me.

you know you always have the lord by your side...


"I am alone:  there is no God where I am."--AL II:23

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playing with fire, dude.

More like cooking with gas.  Interesting metaphor you employ, though, given that mastery of fire was one step in humanity's growing control of the physical universe and concomitant liberation from the thralldom of superstition (i.e., religion).
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Hilarious! So this jackass attributes the "liberation of mankind from the thralldom of superstition" to a character of the greek mythology, a fictional character created thousand of years after the actual discovery of fire.

Next to Prometheus, Marx, Lenin and Aleister Crowley here's another of his sociopath heroes from the atheistic pantheon:


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fleabit?

FLEABIT??? IS IT REALLY YOU???
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"I don't know. I'll just tell you this, if this passes and it's five years from now and all that stuff gets implemented -- I am leaving the country. I'll go to Costa Rica. " - Rush Limbaugh

Cool. A twofer.

And we all know Rush visits there often because he can legally fuck 16 year old prostitutes. What a guy, huh?

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Reply #9177 - Mar 9th, 2010 at 3:03pm
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fuman wrote on Mar 9th, 2010 at 2:57pm:
"I don't know. I'll just tell you this, if this passes and it's five years from now and all that stuff gets implemented -- I am leaving the country. I'll go to Costa Rica. " - Rush Limbaugh

Cool. A twofer.

And we all know Rush visits there often because he can legally fuck 16 year old prostitutes. What a guy, huh?



you can buy vicodins over the counter too...
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Is that Don Ho?


...and...more importantly...


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Do I smell lampchops?


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Reply #9179 - Mar 9th, 2010 at 4:48pm
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this ain't bringing glencars one liners back


that poll was closed down.

don't you know the difference between a door and a window?
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Reply #9180 - Mar 9th, 2010 at 5:49pm
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claudine longhet wrote on Mar 9th, 2010 at 11:32am:
Brainbell Jangler wrote on Mar 8th, 2010 at 6:18pm:
Some Guy wrote on Mar 7th, 2010 at 5:27pm:
Brainbell Jangler wrote on Mar 7th, 2010 at 1:27am:
Some Guy wrote on Mar 5th, 2010 at 7:32pm:
"Why are you so damned intent on proving that God does not exist? What is your point? Are you trying to claim that you have some intellectual superiority"

Riffy, check his avatar. He either has no idea what he is doing or he knows exactly what he's doing. Both frighten me.

you know you always have the lord by your side...


"I am alone:  there is no God where I am."--AL II:23

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playing with fire, dude.

More like cooking with gas.  Interesting metaphor you employ, though, given that mastery of fire was one step in humanity's growing control of the physical universe and concomitant liberation from the thralldom of superstition (i.e., religion).
...


Hilarious! So this jackass attributes the "liberation of mankind from the thralldom of superstition" to a character of the greek mythology, a fictional character created thousand of years after the actual discovery of fire.

Next to Prometheus, Marx, Lenin and Aleister Crowley here's another of his sociopath heroes from the atheistic pantheon:


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What?  I attributed the discovery of fire to the Greek Titan Prometheus?  You're not getting a high score for reading comprehension, "Cloddeen."   I did no such thing.  I juxtaposed a painting of Prometheus with comments about the discovery of fire by way of symbolic illustration.  Remember that Prometheus was bound and tortured by the gods for breaking up their monopoly on fire (not literally; it's a myth).  Prometheus thus represents the liberation of humanity from ignorance and the dictatorship of the deity.  In this sense, he is analogous to the serpent in the second chapter of Genesis.  My apologies if the use of the painting was too subtle or obscure for you.

Jim Jones was an atheist?  That would have been news to the hundreds of members of his church, the People's Temple.  It was precisely their belief in God and an afterlife that allowed those 900+ chumps (the technical term for "believers") to kill themselves and their children.  If you were looking for an illustration of the evils of religion, you couldn't do much better than the Reverend Jim Jones.

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Reply #9181 - Mar 9th, 2010 at 7:05pm
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i've never heard of an athiest sacrafice or mass suicide... ummm... are people that desperate to defend dying religions.
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Reply #9182 - Mar 9th, 2010 at 8:41pm
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Well Stalin was an avowed atheist. As was Pol Pot, and yes, even Hitler.


However, just to get this thread back on topic.......

368 pages, and probably over 1000 posts from me alone, and I just found a video that could have saved all of us a lot of time.


If this doesn't explain the difference between a true great visionary leader and the schlub that we are having to contend with then nothing will get through to the drones out there.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6DmjBneGBc&feature=player_embedded#



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Reply #9183 - Mar 9th, 2010 at 8:45pm
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riffy, would reagan be able to save joe nathan's elbow?
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Sarah Palin and Zombie Reagan and all the Tea Drinkers will yet stop them from integrating Health Insurance!
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Brainbell Jangler wrote on Mar 9th, 2010 at 5:49pm:
claudine longhet wrote on Mar 9th, 2010 at 11:32am:
Brainbell Jangler wrote on Mar 8th, 2010 at 6:18pm:
Some Guy wrote on Mar 7th, 2010 at 5:27pm:
Brainbell Jangler wrote on Mar 7th, 2010 at 1:27am:
Some Guy wrote on Mar 5th, 2010 at 7:32pm:
"Why are you so damned intent on proving that God does not exist? What is your point? Are you trying to claim that you have some intellectual superiority"

Riffy, check his avatar. He either has no idea what he is doing or he knows exactly what he's doing. Both frighten me.

you know you always have the lord by your side...


"I am alone:  there is no God where I am."--AL II:23

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playing with fire, dude.

More like cooking with gas.  Interesting metaphor you employ, though, given that mastery of fire was one step in humanity's growing control of the physical universe and concomitant liberation from the thralldom of superstition (i.e., religion).
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Hilarious! So this jackass attributes the "liberation of mankind from the thralldom of superstition" to a character of the greek mythology, a fictional character created thousand of years after the actual discovery of fire.

Next to Prometheus, Marx, Lenin and Aleister Crowley here's another of his sociopath heroes from the atheistic pantheon:


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What?  I attributed the discovery of fire to the Greek Titan Prometheus?  You're not getting a high score for reading comprehension, "Cloddeen."   I did no such thing.  I juxtaposed a painting of Prometheus with comments about the discovery of fire by way of symbolic illustration.  Remember that Prometheus was bound and tortured by the gods for breaking up their monopoly on fire (not literally; it's a myth).  Prometheus thus represents the liberation of humanity from ignorance and the dictatorship of the deity.  In this sense, he is analogous to the serpent in the second chapter of Genesis.  My apologies if the use of the painting was too subtle or obscure for you.

Jim Jones was an atheist?  That would have been news to the hundreds of members of his church, the People's Temple.  It was precisely their belief in God and an afterlife that allowed those 900+ chumps (the technical term for "believers") to kill themselves and their children.  If you were looking for an illustration of the evils of religion, you couldn't do much better than the Reverend Jim Jones.

Brainy

P.S. You misspelled "Longet."   Ouch!



Ha, well this classed up this thread, huh? Very subtle sarcasm and right on point.



But, but, but what about Stalin and Pol Pot? Completely ignoring the history of the church huh?

Reagan was a B movie actor and a product spokesperson. That's his background.
He's the reason the economy is where it's at today. Deregulation and greed.
Expect more of the same in the near future.
Oh, and you should bend over and like it. It's what you've been voting for.


So I get a choice between regulation or a welfare state. Hmmm.
Well, since Reagan is corrupt, I'll go with regulation.
Psst, it's not really Reagan, it's Regan who told our feeble Pres what to do.
Yep, it was all about helping Wall St. I bet you got trickled on though, right?

The wealth of the country is lopsided, too many people are hurting.
We don't elect these corporate masters. Now we're at their mercy.

Yeah, I watched it. Guess I have bigger balls and a farther arc.

By the way, anybody catch Palin comparing her palm notes to God.
God wrote something on his palm? Ha Ha Ha.
Yeah, I guess she is in some good company. Ha Ha Ha.
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I must admit that the longer this thread continues the more and more I am stunned at the liberals here that can't see what is clearly happening before your very eyes-to wit, the Democrat Party is imploding at a record pace, and Americans are becoming more angry by the day. Oh, and by the way, they are not angry at Sarah Palin, George W. Bush, or Reagan's ghost. They are livid at the three stooges. Pelosi, Reid, and Obummer.


But keep on believing your own lies drones. It'll be that much sweeter when I laugh in all of your faces.

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Reply #9187 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 5:23am
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Riffhard wrote on Mar 9th, 2010 at 11:10pm:
I must admit that the longer this thread continues the more and more I am stunned at the liberals here that can't see what is clearly happening before your very eyes-to wit, the Democrat Party is imploding at a record pace, and Americans are becoming more angry by the day. Oh, and by the way, they are not angry at Sarah Palin, George W. Bush, or Reagan's ghost. They are livid at the three stooges. Pelosi, Reid, and Obummer.


But keep on believing your own lies drones. It'll be that much sweeter when I laugh in all of your faces.

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Riffy, I love ya man!  But I was stuck in traffic the other day and flipped around and listened to Rush and this was his show verbatim.
By November this things turning around big time and it will be shocking to see who gets their ass handed to them.

Deep and wide...
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Here is what Obama needs set up to talk to a few school children.  Not much room for kids.
Still needs to have the teleprompters. The secret service guy in back keeps eyes out for any terrorist-type-8-year-old with tea-partying parents.


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s209/leepullen/mime-attachment-6-2.jpgt=12682...




Here’s what the last guy needed.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s209/leepullen/mime-attachment-7-1.jpgt=12682...
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Reply #9189 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 8:51am
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No...that last guy needed to be sitting in the classroom learning to read.  Maybe even repeating a year.
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Reply #9190 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 9:14am
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Edith Grove wrote on Mar 10th, 2010 at 5:35am:
Here is what Obama needs set up to talk to a few school children.  Not much room for kids.
Still needs to have the teleprompters. The secret service guy in back keeps eyes out for any terrorist-type-8-year-old with tea-partying parents.


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s209/leepullen/mime-attachment-6-2.jpgt=12682...




Here’s what the last guy needed.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s209/leepullen/mime-attachment-7-1.jpgt=12682...



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Um...I'm not sure that a classroom setting is the best
"Bush hiccup" for you to draw from your selective memory...



I will certainly agree that setting up the teleprompters
and the podium in a classroom was stupid stage dressing.
I'm pretty sure Obama didn't make that call himself.  
After seeing him make numerous public appearances
(the aptly-named Republican "retreat" of a few weeks
ago, as a perfect example) without so much as his core
beliefs scrawled God-like on his hand  (that's a Sarah
Palin joke for the humor-impaired), I'm confident that the
current President knows which end is up when it comes to
book-readin'.

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By the way, here's how most of the President's school visits look:

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Jesus Christ wrote on Mar 10th, 2010 at 9:14am:
Edith Grove wrote on Mar 10th, 2010 at 5:35am:
Here is what Obama needs set up to talk to a few school children.  Not much room for kids.
Still needs to have the teleprompters. The secret service guy in back keeps eyes out for any terrorist-type-8-year-old with tea-partying parents.


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s209/leepullen/mime-attachment-6-2.jpgt=12682...




Here’s what the last guy needed.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s209/leepullen/mime-attachment-7-1.jpgt=12682...



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Um...I'm not sure that's a classroom setting is the best
"Bush hiccup" for you to draw from your selective memory...



I will certainly agree that setting up the teleprompters
and the podium in a classroom was stupid stage dressing.
I'm pretty sure Obama didn't make that call himself.  
After seeing him make numerous public appearances
(the aptly-named Republican "retreat" of a few weeks
ago, as a perfect example) without so much as his core
beliefs scrawled God-like on his hand  (that's a Sarah
Palin joke for the humor-impaired), I'm confident that the
current President knows which end is up when it comes to
book-readin'.

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By the way, here's how most of the President's school visits look:

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Yes,while terrorists were flying planes into buildings. W sat there.....But at least he wasn't using a teleprompter so it's ok. Roll Eyes
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Riffhard wrote on Mar 5th, 2010 at 4:03pm:
Bigotry is bigotry  ... In other words shut the hell up about what others believe. It only makes you look like a small minded snob. ... What is your point? Are you trying to claim that you have some intellectual superiority. Because I have news for you my man, it only makes you look petty and mean spirited. Plus, you should be wise enough to know that that is an argument that you are far too little ever win. Billions of people on this planet get a very real sense of peace, and comfort from their own personal relationship with God, Jesus, Allah, etc.. The fact that that bothers you so much says much more about you then it does about the billions of people that do have faith in something larger than themselves.

Yes. Showing bigotry against someone's religion is just as egregious as showing contempt for race. That you choose to deny that, or can't see it, is pathetic. ... That is bigotry no matter how you slice it. I pity you.



Riffy


So, since this is such a large concern for you,  I guess you'll be spending a lot of time preaching against Glenn Beck...or is he on to something that you agree with here? I know you seem to be able to differentiate between Beck and the rest of the rightwing blowhards, but they all seem about the same to me.

So what's your take on this, Mr. Riffhard? Should right-thinking Americans leave their churches if they suspect them of harboring socialist tendencies, or should Beck keep his yap shut on this matter?

Inquiring minds want to know.




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Glenn Beck said last week on his eponymous show that Christians should leave churches that preach "social justice." Mr. Beck equated the desire for a just society with--wait for it--Nazism and Communism.

I'm begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them . . . are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year. I beg you, look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes.

This means that you would have to leave the Catholic Church, which has long championed that aspect of the Gospel. The term "social justice" originated way back in the 1800s (and probably predates even that), and has been underlined by the Magisterium and popes since Leo XIII, who began the modern tradition of Catholic social teaching with his encyclical on capital and labor, Rerum Novarum in 1891. Subsequent popes have built on Leo's work, continuing the church's meditation on a variety of issues of social justice in such landmark documents as Pope Pius XI's encyclical on "the reconstruction of the social order," Quadregismo Anno (1931), Paul VI's encyclical "on the development of peoples," Populorum Progressio (1967) and John Paul II's encyclical "on the social concerns of the church" Sollicitudo Rei Socialis (1987).

The Compendium of the Social Teaching of the Church, published by the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, says this:

The Church's social Magisterium constantly calls for the most classical forms of justice to be respected: commutative, distributive and legal justice. Ever greater importance has been given to social justice., which represents a real development in general justice, the justice that regulates social relationships according to the criterion of observance of the law. Social justice, a requirement related to the social question which today is worldwide in scope, concerns the social, political and economic aspects and, above all, the structural dimension of problems and their respective solutions....

Social justice is not just some silly foreign idea. American Catholics know that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops have an Office of Justice, Peace and Human Development. On that website the U.S. bishops say: "At the core of the virtue of solidarity is the pursuit of justice and peace. Our love for all our sisters and brothers demands that we promote peace in a world surrounded by violence and conflict."

Get it? Social justice is an essential part of Catholic teaching. It's part of being a Catholic. So Glenn Beck is, in essence, saying "Leave the Catholic church."

But Glenn Beck is saying something else: "Leave Christianity." Again and again in the Gospels, Jesus mentions our responsibility to care for the poor, to work on their behalf, to stand with them. In fact, when asked how his followers would be judged he doesn't say that it will be based on where you worship, or how you pray, or how often you go to church, or even what political party you believe in. He says something quite different: It depends on how you treat the poor.

In the Gospel of Matthew (25) he tells his surprised disciples, that when you are meeting the poor, you are meeting him. They protest. "Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?' And the king will answer them, 'Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me."

But our responsibility to care for "the least of these" does not end with simple charity. Giving someone a handout is an important part of the Christian message. But so is advocating for them. It is not enough simply to help the poor, one must address the structures that keep them that way. Standing up for the rights of the poor is not being a Nazi, it's being Christian. And Communist, as Mr. Beck suggests? It's hard not to think of the retort of the great apostle of social justice, Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife, "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist."

The attack on social justice is the tack of those who wish to ignore the concerns the poor and ignore the social structures that foster poverty. It's not hard to see why people are tempted to do so. How much easier it would be if we didn't have to worry about the poor!

But ignoring the poor, and ignoring what keeps them poor, is, quite simply, unchristian. For the poor are the church in many ways. When St. Lawrence, in the fourth century, was ordered by the prefect of Rome to turn over the wealth of the church, he presented to him the poor.

Glenn Beck's desire to detach social justice from the Gospel is a move to detach care for the poor from the Gospel. But a church without the poor, and a church without a desire for a just social world for all, is not the church.

At least not the church of Jesus Christ. Who was, by the way, poor.

~ Rev. James Martin, S.J.


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So the question that the drones should be asking themselves (besides the obvious one, why am I so enamored with a guy that wants to destroy my children's' future?) is this-Why does everyone seem to be hating on The One?


The answer is obvious to those of us with a brain. People do not trust this ideologue as far as they can throw him. Plus, they can't stand the bullying tactics of Pelosi, and the utter incompetence of Harry Reid.


Don't believe me though.


Oh look, here's the latest from the headlines today.......

RASMUSSEN:
Obama Approval Index: -21 (matches lowest yet)
Strongly Approve 22% (matches lowest yet)
Strongly Disapprove 43%
Total Approval 43% (matches lowest yet)



That's right drones. Things ain't looking good for the worst president in US history.

It must really suck to be a drone these days! LOL!



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Reply #9194 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 10:53am
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Jesus Christ wrote on Mar 10th, 2010 at 9:59am:
Riffhard wrote on Mar 5th, 2010 at 4:03pm:
Bigotry is bigotry  ... In other words shut the hell up about what others believe. It only makes you look like a small minded snob. ... What is your point? Are you trying to claim that you have some intellectual superiority. Because I have news for you my man, it only makes you look petty and mean spirited. Plus, you should be wise enough to know that that is an argument that you are far too little ever win. Billions of people on this planet get a very real sense of peace, and comfort from their own personal relationship with God, Jesus, Allah, etc.. The fact that that bothers you so much says much more about you then it does about the billions of people that do have faith in something larger than themselves.

Yes. Showing bigotry against someone's religion is just as egregious as showing contempt for race. That you choose to deny that, or can't see it, is pathetic. ... That is bigotry no matter how you slice it. I pity you.



Riffy


So, since this is such a large concern for you,  I guess you'll be spending a lot of time preaching against Glenn Beck...or is he on to something that you agree with here? I know you seem to be able to differentiate between Beck and the rest of the rightwing blowhards, but they all seem about the same to me.

So what's your take on this, Mr. Riffhard? Should right-thinking Americans leave their churches if they suspect them of harboring socialist tendencies, or should Beck keep his yap shut on this matter?

Inquiring minds want to know.




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Glenn Beck to Jesus: Drop Dead

Glenn Beck said last week on his eponymous show that Christians should leave churches that preach "social justice." Mr. Beck equated the desire for a just society with--wait for it--Nazism and Communism.

I'm begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them . . . are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year. I beg you, look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes.

This means that you would have to leave the Catholic Church, which has long championed that aspect of the Gospel. The term "social justice" originated way back in the 1800s (and probably predates even that), and has been underlined by the Magisterium and popes since Leo XIII, who began the modern tradition of Catholic social teaching with his encyclical on capital and labor, Rerum Novarum in 1891. Subsequent popes have built on Leo's work, continuing the church's meditation on a variety of issues of social justice in such landmark documents as Pope Pius XI's encyclical on "the reconstruction of the social order," Quadregismo Anno (1931), Paul VI's encyclical "on the development of peoples," Populorum Progressio (1967) and John Paul II's encyclical "on the social concerns of the church" Sollicitudo Rei Socialis (1987).

The Compendium of the Social Teaching of the Church, published by the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, says this:

The Church's social Magisterium constantly calls for the most classical forms of justice to be respected: commutative, distributive and legal justice. Ever greater importance has been given to social justice., which represents a real development in general justice, the justice that regulates social relationships according to the criterion of observance of the law. Social justice, a requirement related to the social question which today is worldwide in scope, concerns the social, political and economic aspects and, above all, the structural dimension of problems and their respective solutions....

Social justice is not just some silly foreign idea. American Catholics know that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops have an Office of Justice, Peace and Human Development. On that website the U.S. bishops say: "At the core of the virtue of solidarity is the pursuit of justice and peace. Our love for all our sisters and brothers demands that we promote peace in a world surrounded by violence and conflict."

Get it? Social justice is an essential part of Catholic teaching. It's part of being a Catholic. So Glenn Beck is, in essence, saying "Leave the Catholic church."

But Glenn Beck is saying something else: "Leave Christianity." Again and again in the Gospels, Jesus mentions our responsibility to care for the poor, to work on their behalf, to stand with them. In fact, when asked how his followers would be judged he doesn't say that it will be based on where you worship, or how you pray, or how often you go to church, or even what political party you believe in. He says something quite different: It depends on how you treat the poor.

In the Gospel of Matthew (25) he tells his surprised disciples, that when you are meeting the poor, you are meeting him. They protest. "Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?' And the king will answer them, 'Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me."

But our responsibility to care for "the least of these" does not end with simple charity. Giving someone a handout is an important part of the Christian message. But so is advocating for them. It is not enough simply to help the poor, one must address the structures that keep them that way. Standing up for the rights of the poor is not being a Nazi, it's being Christian. And Communist, as Mr. Beck suggests? It's hard not to think of the retort of the great apostle of social justice, Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife, "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist."

The attack on social justice is the tack of those who wish to ignore the concerns the poor and ignore the social structures that foster poverty. It's not hard to see why people are tempted to do so. How much easier it would be if we didn't have to worry about the poor!

But ignoring the poor, and ignoring what keeps them poor, is, quite simply, unchristian. For the poor are the church in many ways. When St. Lawrence, in the fourth century, was ordered by the prefect of Rome to turn over the wealth of the church, he presented to him the poor.

Glenn Beck's desire to detach social justice from the Gospel is a move to detach care for the poor from the Gospel. But a church without the poor, and a church without a desire for a just social world for all, is not the church.

At least not the church of Jesus Christ. Who was, by the way, poor.

~ Rev. James Martin, S.J.





I'm sure this will be ignored JC. After all, Jesus was poor because he was a loser.
(not that there is any reason to believe he ever existed)

No, what really matters is how much more (than everyone else) I have acquired.
That's the new Repub religion.

Like moths to the flame . . .
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Reply #9195 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 11:03am
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Glen Beck is a putz! I don't watch the guy myself, but one thing that Beck is not advocating for is the destruction of free market capitalism or the tyranny of a large centralized government.


Only a certified "fucking clueless fuckstick" would advocate that kind of shit.


In other words a man like this right here --------->


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Reply #9196 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 11:44am
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You can always do what your previous Pres asked of you in troubling times.

Go shopping . . .

What a mind, huh?

Too bad we have a Pres that educated himself, not having a rich family to always bail him out.
Or maybe you should form a church so you don't have to pay taxes, considering your true God is your wallet.
You could take the money from poor frightened people in exchange for helping them save their eternal souls.

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Reply #9197 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 12:06pm
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Riffhard wrote on Mar 10th, 2010 at 11:03am:
Glen Beck is a putz! I don't watch the guy myself, but one thing that Beck is not advocating for is the destruction of free market capitalism or the tyranny of a large centralized government.


PS-Oh yeah, JC go fuck yourself!




So politics trumps religion for you?  Seems about right.

Tell us (without quite so much vulgarity if you could manage it) - why is Glenn Beck a putz, yet Mark Levin is a genius? They seem about the same to the rest of us.
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Reply #9198 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 12:39pm
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Jesus Christ wrote on Mar 10th, 2010 at 12:06pm:
Riffhard wrote on Mar 10th, 2010 at 11:03am:
Glen Beck is a putz! I don't watch the guy myself, but one thing that Beck is not advocating for is the destruction of free market capitalism or the tyranny of a large centralized government.


PS-Oh yeah, JC go fuck yourself!




So politics trumps religion for you?  Seems about right.

Tell us (without quite so much vulgarity if you could manage it) - why is Glenn Beck a putz, yet Mark Levin is a genius? They seem about the same to the rest of us.




I never said that politics trumps religion you you silly twit! I said that I don't watch Glen Beck! I am also not Catholic.


If Glen Beck and Mark Levin seem the same to you that tells me that your head is planted so far up your own ass that you are as clueless as I always knew you were.

Levin is Phi Betta Kappa, the most prestigious academic honor society in the United States (Obama has never been accepted to any academic honor societies, and has to date refused to release his academic records). Mark Levin graduated maga cum laude from Temple University. He is also president of The Landmark Legal Foundation, and has beaten almost every single lawyer in the Obama Admin in court at some point over the years. The fact is there is there is not one single lawyer in the Obummer Admin that has ever beaten Levin in a court of law. Ever! He was also Chief Of Staff to Atty General Edwin Meese during the Reagan years, and served in the Reagan Administration for the entire 8 years.


In other words Mark Levin is smarter than anyone in the entire Obummer Admin including Obummer himself!


To compare Mark Levin to Glen Beck is to show that you have zero knowledge of who Levin is. 


Why has Barry refused to disclose his academic records?



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PS-You always have Keith Olberman and Rachel Mancow!
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Reply #9199 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 12:45pm
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fuman wrote on Mar 10th, 2010 at 11:44am:
You can always do what your previous Pres asked of you in troubling times.

Go shopping . . .

What a mind, huh?

Too bad we have a Pres that educated himself, not having a rich family to always bail him out.
Or maybe you should form a church so you don't have to pay taxes, considering your true God is your wallet.
You could take the money from poor frightened people in exchange for helping them save their eternal souls.

Could be your calling . . .




LOL! Man I really have a tough time understanding just how stupid you are. It's not easy to wrap one's brain around the fact that you actually believe the shit that you are saying! You are a naive little boy that has no understanding about exactly what Obama is really trying to do.

Here's a hint-
He doesn't give two flying fucks about poor people you dolt!



He only cares about the gaining and maintaining of power for the state (read-himself), and if you had bothered to read anything other than the stupid crap at the DailyKos, HuffPo, and various other moronic libtard blogs you'd know that. But you are stupid. So there you have it.



Go play in traffic.



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