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Question: What item is most likely found in the top drawer of Riffy's dresser?

naked pictures of Reagan    
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Barry O voodoo doll    
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Hoffa's body    
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DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
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JC's boss's phone number    
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bucket of chicken    
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three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
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"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
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Reply #9000 - Feb 26th, 2010 at 7:47pm
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Nellcote wrote on Feb 26th, 2010 at 5:00pm:
I do not think President Obama acted very Presidential yesterday.
He has not graduated to be above the fray which is the battle between
the Dems & the GOP.  He seems to enjoy throwing jabs & barbs whenever he can.
Rather than acknowledge that Sen McCain made some valid points, he
chose to return fire, in a condescending tone.  Look, he is the one who should
realize the election run is over, start acting like a leader.  Sorry to repeat
what I said yesterday, however, the last elected Democratic President knew
far more towards healing a rift & how to win the room than the present one does.  
He needs to learn to bring sides together in a manner which both sides have a
say in the matter.  Directing compromise is a learned trait, however, it should not
be on real time.  Saying he's going to force health care whether he has agreement
or not is not how a President should act.  He needs to be more in charge, he's not
on the South Side of Chicago in some territorial battle.  
This bull-headed arrogance could cost our country dearly.


I don't hear McCain saying anything about the absurd accusations his running mate has made... I don't remember members of the Democratic party interupting state of the union speeches or events sponsored and produced by a television network... That man has more class under fire, remember, you just said yourself, he returned the fire, maybe McCain shouldn't start the fight...
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Reply #9001 - Feb 26th, 2010 at 7:59pm
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Pdog wrote on Feb 26th, 2010 at 7:47pm:
Nellcote wrote on Feb 26th, 2010 at 5:00pm:
I do not think President Obama acted very Presidential yesterday.
He has not graduated to be above the fray which is the battle between
the Dems & the GOP.  He seems to enjoy throwing jabs & barbs whenever he can.
Rather than acknowledge that Sen McCain made some valid points, he
chose to return fire, in a condescending tone.  Look, he is the one who should
realize the election run is over, start acting like a leader.  Sorry to repeat
what I said yesterday, however, the last elected Democratic President knew
far more towards healing a rift & how to win the room than the present one does.  
He needs to learn to bring sides together in a manner which both sides have a
say in the matter.  Directing compromise is a learned trait, however, it should not
be on real time.  Saying he's going to force health care whether he has agreement
or not is not how a President should act.  He needs to be more in charge, he's not
on the South Side of Chicago in some territorial battle.  
This bull-headed arrogance could cost our country dearly.


I don't hear McCain saying anything about the absurd accusations his running mate has made... I don't remember members of the Democratic party interupting state of the union speeches or events sponsored and produced by a television network... That man has more class under fire, remember, you just said yourself, he returned the fire, maybe McCain shouldn't start the fight...

I'm not defending McCain, however, McCain has been around far longer than Obama.  He baited Obama & Obama could not resist.  Obama is supposed to be at another level now.  He's the President.  He's supposed to be above the fray.  His pay grade & title are to unite, not continue the divide.  McCain & every other senator should answer the the leader of the Senate & the leader of the House.  Obama is supposed to show them how to come together.   That's what any President of any corporation is supposed to do, delegate others to handle brush fires.  He needs to start acting like he's been there & resist the urge to fight battles which should be handled by others below him.

On a related front, good old Joe Biden caught with his pants down again yesterday.  Just a heartbeat away Joe....
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Reply #9002 - Feb 27th, 2010 at 3:30am
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This bull-headed arrogance could cost our country dearly.




speaking of bull-headed arrogance that cost us dearly:


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Reply #9003 - Feb 27th, 2010 at 4:15am
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Nellcote wrote on Feb 26th, 2010 at 5:00pm:
 
This bull-headed arrogance could cost our country dearly.




speaking of bull-headed arrogance that cost us dearly:


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If you desire equal opportunity, please insert a photo of LBJ, as under his direction the casualties were far greater in Vietnam.
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Reply #9004 - Feb 27th, 2010 at 5:00am
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Shouldn't this health care reform apply to EVERYONE, including the people who are trying to ram this down our throats?


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Reply #9005 - Feb 27th, 2010 at 7:26am
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Nellcote wrote on Feb 26th, 2010 at 7:59pm:
Pdog wrote on Feb 26th, 2010 at 7:47pm:
Nellcote wrote on Feb 26th, 2010 at 5:00pm:
I do not think President Obama acted very Presidential yesterday.
He has not graduated to be above the fray which is the battle between
the Dems & the GOP.  He seems to enjoy throwing jabs & barbs whenever he can.
Rather than acknowledge that Sen McCain made some valid points, he
chose to return fire, in a condescending tone.  Look, he is the one who should
realize the election run is over, start acting like a leader.  Sorry to repeat
what I said yesterday, however, the last elected Democratic President knew
far more towards healing a rift & how to win the room than the present one does.  
He needs to learn to bring sides together in a manner which both sides have a
say in the matter.  Directing compromise is a learned trait, however, it should not
be on real time.  Saying he's going to force health care whether he has agreement
or not is not how a President should act.  He needs to be more in charge, he's not
on the South Side of Chicago in some territorial battle.  
This bull-headed arrogance could cost our country dearly.


I don't hear McCain saying anything about the absurd accusations his running mate has made... I don't remember members of the Democratic party interupting state of the union speeches or events sponsored and produced by a television network... That man has more class under fire, remember, you just said yourself, he returned the fire, maybe McCain shouldn't start the fight...

I'm not defending McCain, however, McCain has been around far longer than Obama.  He baited Obama & Obama could not resist.  Obama is supposed to be at another level now.  He's the President.  He's supposed to be above the fray.  His pay grade & title are to unite, not continue the divide.  McCain & every other senator should answer the the leader of the Senate & the leader of the House.  Obama is supposed to show them how to come together.   That's what any President of any corporation is supposed to do, delegate others to handle brush fires.  He needs to start acting like he's been there & resist the urge to fight battles which should be handled by others below him.

On a related front, good old Joe Biden caught with his pants down again yesterday.  Just a heartbeat away Joe....


I don't see where it says a presidet has to take shit from people starting fights. He made it clear going to the repub. Q & A thing a few weeks ago, if people lie or distort things he is going to speak out. You might call it baiting, which is a gentle term, McCain is acting like he can tell the president how to do his job, the one who beat him for the job. What your side is missing b/c it seems to be full of alot of hare, is how much grace and character the president has. Not only is he not retaliating, he's keeping the point of order and trying to gert shit done with all the bullshit and disrespect. And who is egging on the fight, the media... not even looking at the ideas, looking at who is scoring punches... it's disgusting!
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Reply #9006 - Feb 27th, 2010 at 7:28am
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Shouldn't this health care reform apply to EVERYONE, including the people who are trying to ram this down our throats?


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Reply #9007 - Feb 27th, 2010 at 3:45pm
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Best Facebook update of the day!

"The key to being a real American is dirctly related to your ability to deny that bad stuff happens to other people..thats the main criteria for being a great patriot. If you are comfortable in your ignorance then you have become a TRUE american. Congratulations"
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Ayn Rand, Hugely Popular Author and Inspiration to Right-Wing Leaders, Was a Big Admirer of Serial Killer
Today her works treated as gospel by right-wing powerhouses like Alan Greenspan and Clarence Thomas, but Ayn Rand found early inspiration in 1920's murderer William Hickman.
By Mark Ames

There's something deeply unsettling about living in a country where millions of people froth at the mouth at the idea of giving health care to the tens of millions of Americans who don't have it, or who take pleasure at the thought of privatizing and slashing bedrock social programs like Social Security or Medicare. It might not be as hard to stomach if other Western countries also had a large, vocal chunk of the population who thought like this, but the US is seemingly the only place where right-wing elites can openly share their distaste for the working poor. Where do they find their philosophical justification for this kind of attitude?

It turns out, you can trace much of this thinking back to Ayn Rand, a popular cult-philosopher who exerts a huge influence over much of the right-wing and libertarian crowd, but whose influence is only starting to spread out of the US.

One reason why most countries don't find the time to embrace her thinking is that Ayn Rand is a textbook sociopath. Literally a sociopath: Ayn Rand, in her notebooks, worshiped a notorious serial murderer-dismemberer, and used this killer as an early model for the type of "ideal man" that Rand promoted in her more famous books -- ideas which were later picked up on and put into play by major right-wing figures of the past half decade, including the key architects of America's most recent economic catastrophe -- former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan and SEC Commissioner Chris Cox -- along with other notable right-wing Republicans such as Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, Rush Limbaugh, and South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford.

The loudest of all the Republicans, right-wing attack-dog pundits and the Teabagger mobs fighting to kill health care reform and eviscerate "entitlement programs" increasingly hold up Ayn Rand as their guru. Sales of her books have soared in the past couple of years; one poll ranked "Atlas Shrugged" as the second most influential book of the 20th century, after The Bible.

So what, and who, was Ayn Rand for and against? The best way to get to the bottom of it is to take a look at how she developed the superhero of her novel, Atlas Shrugged, John Galt. Back in the late 1920s, as Ayn Rand was working out her philosophy, she became enthralled by a real-life American serial killer, William Edward Hickman, whose gruesome, sadistic dismemberment of 12-year-old girl named Marion Parker in 1927 shocked the nation. Rand filled her early notebooks with worshipful praise of Hickman. According to biographer Jennifer Burns, author of Goddess of the Market, Rand was so smitten by Hickman that she modeled her first literary creation -- Danny Renahan, the protagonist of her unfinished first novel, The Little Street -- on him.

What did Rand admire so much about Hickman? His sociopathic qualities: "Other people do not exist for him, and he does not see why they should," she wrote, gushing that Hickman had "no regard whatsoever for all that society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. He has the true, innate psychology of a Superman. He can never realize and feel 'other people.'"

This echoes almost word for word Rand's later description of her character Howard Roark, the hero of her novel The Fountainhead: "He was born without the ability to consider others."

The Fountainhead is Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas's favorite book -- he even requires his clerks to read it.

I'll get to where Rand picked up her silly Superman blather from later -- but first, let's meet William Hickman, the "genuinely beautiful soul" and inspiration to Ayn Rand. What you will read below -- the real story, details included, of what made Hickman a "Superman" in Ayn Rand's eyes -- is extremely gory and upsetting, even if you're well acquainted with true crime stories -- so prepare yourself. But it's necessary to read this to understand Rand, and to repeat this over and over until all of America understands what made her mind tick, because Rand's influence over the very people leading the fight to kill social programs, and her ideological influence on so many powerful bankers, regulators and businessmen who brought the financial markets crashing down, means her ideas are affecting all of our lives in the worst way imaginable.

Rand fell for William Edward Hickman in the late 1920s, as the shocking story of Hickman's crime started to grip the nation. His crime, trial and case was a non-stop headline grabber for months; the OJ Simpson of his day:

Hickman, who was only 19 when he was arrested for murder, was the son of a paranoid-schizophrenic mother and grandmother. His schoolmates said that as a kid Hickman liked to strangle cats and snap the necks of chickens for fun -- most of the kids thought he was a budding manic, though the adults gave him good marks for behavior, a typical sign of sociopathic cunning. He enrolled in college but quickly dropped out, and quickly turned to violent crime largely driven by the thrill and arrogance typical of sociopaths: in a brief and wild crime spree that grew increasingly violent, Hickman knocked over dozens of gas stations and drug stores across the Midwest and west to California. Along the way it's believed he strangled a girl in Milwaukee, and killed his crime partner's grandfather in Pasadena, tossing his body over a bridge after taking his money. Hickman's partner later told police that Hickman told him how much he'd like to kill and dismember a victim someday -- and that day did come for Hickman.

One afternoon, Hickman drove up to Mount Vernon Junior High school in Los Angeles, and told administrators that he'd come to pick up "the Parker girl" -- her father, Perry Parker, was a prominent banker. Hickman didn't know the girl's first name, so when he was asked which of the two Parker twins -- Hickman answered, "the younger daughter." And then he corrected himself: "The smaller one." The school administrator fetched young Marion, and brought her out to Hickman. No one suspected his motive; Marion obediently followed Hickman to his car as she was told, where he promptly kidnapped her. He wrote a ransom note to Marian's father, demanding $1,500 for her return, promising that the girl would be left unharmed. Marian was terrified into passivity -- she even waited in the car for Hickman when he went to mail his letter to her father. Hickman's extreme narcissism comes through in his ransom letters, as he refers to himself as a "master mind [sic]" and "not a common crook." Hickman signed his letters "The Fox" because he admired his own cunning: "Fox is my name, very sly you know." And then he threatened: "Get this straight. Your daughter's life hangs by a thread."

Hickman and the girl's father exchanged letters over the next few days as they arranged the terms of the ransom, while Marion obediently followed her captor's demands. She never tried to escape the hotel where he kept her; Hickman even took her to a movie, and she never screamed for help. She remained quiet and still as told when Hickman tied her to the chair -- he didn't even bother gagging her because there was no need to, right up to the gruesome end.

Hickman's last ransom note to Marion's father is where this story reaches its  disturbing: Hickman fills the letter with hurt anger over her father's suggestion that Hickman might deceive him, and "ask you for your $1500 for a lifeless mass of flesh I am base and low but won't stoop to that depth " What Hickman didn't say was that as he wrote the letter, Marion was already several chopped-up lifeless masses of flesh. Why taunt the father? Why feign outrage? This sort of bizarre taunting was all part of the serial killer's thrill, maximizing the sadistic pleasure he got from knowing that he was deceiving the father before the father even knew what happened to his daughter. But this was nothing compared to the thrill Hickman got from murdering the helpless 12-year-old Marion Parker. Here is an old newspaper description of the murder, taken from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on December 27, 1927:

"It was while I was fixing the blindfold that the urge to murder came upon me," he continued, "and I just couldn't help myself. I got a towel and stepped up behind Marian. Then before she could move, I put it around her neck and twisted it tightly. I held on and she made no outcry except to gurgle. I held on for about two minutes, I guess, and then I let go. "When I cut loose the fastenings, she fell to the floor. "I knew she was dead. "Well, after she was dead I carried her body into the bathroom and undressed her, all but the underwear, and cut a hole in her throat with a pocket knife to let the blood out."
Another newspaper account dryly explained what Hickman did next:

Then he took a pocket knife and cut a hole in her throat. Then he cut off each arm to the elbow. Then he cut her legs off at the knees. He put the limbs in a cabinet. He cut up the body in his room at the Bellevue Arms Apartments. Then he removed the clothing and cut the body through at the waist. He put it on a shelf in the dressing room. He placed a towel in the body to drain the blood. He wrapped up the exposed ends of the arms and waist with paper. He combed back her hair, powdered her face and then with a needle fixed her eyelids. He did this because he realized that he would lose the reward if he did not have the body to produce to her father.

Hickman packed her body, limbs and entrails into a car, and drove to the drop-off point to pick up his ransom; along his way he tossed out wrapped-up limbs and innards scattering them around Los Angeles. When he arrived at the meeting point, Hickman pulled Miriam's head and torso out of a suitcase and propped her up, her torso wrapped tightly, to look like she was alive--he sewed wires into her eyelids to keep them open, so that she'd appear to be awake and alive. When Miriam's father arrived, Hickman pointed a sawed-off shotgun at him, showed Miriam's head with the eyes sewn open (it would have been hard to see for certain that she was dead), and then took the ransom money and sped away. As he sped away, he threw Miriam's head and torso out of the car, and that's when the father ran up and saw his daughter--and screamed.
This is the "amazing picture" Ayn Rand -- guru to the Republican/Tea Party right-wing -- admired when she wrote in her notebook that Hickman represented "the amazing picture of a man with no regard whatsoever for all that a society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. A man who really stands alone, in action and in soul. Other people do not exist for him, and he does not see why they should."

Other people don't exist for Ayn, either. Part of her ideas are nothing more than a ditzy dilettante's bastardized Nietzsche -- but even this was plagiarized from the same pulp newspaper accounts of the time. According to an LA Times article in late December 1927, headlined "Behavioralism Gets The Blame," a pastor and others close to the Hickman case denounce the cheap trendy Nietzschean ideas that Hickman and others latch onto as a defense:

"Behavioristic philosophic teachings of eminent philosophers such as Nietzsche and Schopenhauer have built the foundation for William Edward Hickman's original rebellion against society," the article begins.

The fear that some felt at the time was that these philosophers' dangerous, yet nuanced ideas would fall into the hands of lesser minds, who would bastardize Nietzsche and Schopenhauer and poison the rest of us. Which aptly fits the description of Ayn Rand, whose philosophy developed out of her admiration for "Supermen" like Hickman. Rand's philosophy can be summed up by the title of one of her best-known books: The Virtue of Selfishness. She argues that all selfishness is a moral good, and all altruism is a moral evil, even "moral cannibalism" to use her words. To her, those who aren't like-minded sociopaths are "parasites" and "lice" and "looters."

But with Rand, there's something more pathological at work. She's out to make the world more sociopath-friendly so that people like Ayn and her hero William Hickman can reach their full potential, not held back by the morality of the "weak," whom Rand despised.

That's what makes it so creepy how Rand and her followers clearly get off on hating and bashing those they perceived as weak--Rand and her followers have a kind of fetish for classifying weaker, poorer people as "parasites" and "lice" who need to swept away. This is exactly the sort of sadism, bashing the helpless for kicks, that Rand's hero Hickman would have appreciated. What's really unsettling is that even former Central Bank chief Alan Greenspan, whose relationship with Rand dated back to the 1950s, did some parasite-bashing of his own. In response to a 1958 New York Times book review slamming Atlas Shrugged, Greenspan, defending his mentor, published a letter to the editor that ends: "Parasites who persistently avoid either purpose or reason perish as they should. Alan Greenspan."

As much as Ayn Rand detested human "parasites," there is one thing she strongly believed in: creating conditions that increase the productivity of her Supermen - the William Hickmans who rule her idealized America: "If [people] place such things as friendship and family ties above their own productive work, yes, then they are immoral. Friendship, family life and human relationships are not primary in a man's life. A man who places others first, above his own creative work, is an emotional parasite."

And yet Republican faithful like GOP Congressman Paul Ryan read Ayn Rand and make declare, with pride, "Rand makes the best case for the morality of democratic capitalism." Indeed. Except that Ayn Rand also despised democracy, as she declared: "Democracy, in short, is a form of collectivism, which denies individual rights: the majority can do whatever it wants with no restrictions. In principle, the democratic government is all-powerful. Democracy is a totalitarian manifestation; it is not a form of freedom."

"Collectivism" is another one of those Randian epithets popular among her followers. Here for example is another Republican member of Congress, the one with the freaky thousand-yard-stare, Michelle Bachman, parroting the Ayn Rand ideological line, rto explain her reasoning for wanting to kill social programs:

"As much as the collectivist says to each according to his ability to each according to his need, that's not how mankind is wired. They want to make the best possible deal for themselves."

Whenever you hear politicians or Tea Baggers dividing up the world between "producers" and "collectivism," just know that those ideas and words more likely than not are derived from the deranged mind of a serial-killer groupie. When you hear them threaten to "Go John Galt," hide your daughters and tell them not to talk to any strangers -- or Tea Party Republicans. And when you see them taking their razor blades to the last remaining programs protecting the middle class from total abject destitution -- Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid -- and brag about their plans to slash them for "moral" reasons, just remember Ayn's morality and who inspired her.

Too many critics of Ayn Rand-- until I was one of them -- would rather dismiss her books and ideas as laughable, childish, hackneyed. But it can't be dismissed because Rand is the name that keeps bubbling up from the Teabagger crowd and the elite conservative circuit in Washington as The Big Inspiration. The only way to protect ourselves from this thinking is the way you protect yourself from serial killers: smoke the Rand followers out, make them answer for following the crazed ideology of a serial-killer-groupie, and run them the hell out of town and out of our hemisphere.

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Reply #9009 - Feb 27th, 2010 at 7:36pm
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not all sociapaths are killers, in fact, a great deal of them are very succesful CEO's who have no problem destryong peoples lives and livelyhoods, and from what I see, they enjoy it...
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Unemployment Hits 10.8%, Presidential Approval Drops to 35%


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/27/841375/-Unemployment-Hits-10.8,-Pres...


It must have been quite a luxury to not have a breathless, narrative-driven, fact-allergic, obituary-addicted, lunatic 24-hour cable news cycle around.
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fuman wrote on Feb 27th, 2010 at 8:26pm:
Unemployment Hits 10.8%, Presidential Approval Drops to 35%


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/27/841375/-Unemployment-Hits-10.8,-Pres...


It must have been quite a luxury to not have a breathless, narrative-driven, fact-allergic, obituary-addicted, lunatic 24-hour cable news cycle around.


don't you know that it wasn't Reagans fault, it was the Carters fault. Just like 9/11 was Clinton's fault and our current problem is not Bush's fault, it is Barney Franks fault.
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Reply #9012 - Feb 28th, 2010 at 1:25pm
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Unemployment Hits 10.8%, Presidential Approval Drops to 35%



It must have been quite a luxury to not have a breathless, narrative-driven, fact-allergic, obituary-addicted, lunatic 24-hour cable news cycle around.



I think this calls for a cut & paste - too easy for the Reagan worshipers to ignore if you don't click the link.



Unemployment Hits 10.8%, Presidential Approval Drops to 35%
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Yeah.

It's 1983.

And the president is Ronald Reagan.

...

Reagan came into office with initial job approval ratings as high as 60% by mid-March 1981. On March 30, Reagan was shot by John Hinckley and the resulting concern and sympathy lifted his ratings to 68% by May.

But even as Reagan recovered from his wounds, the public's concerns about the bad economy didn't, and his ratings began to fall as each month went by.

By the end of 1981, Reagan's job approval rating had drifted down to 49%.

In 1982, the public's view of the economy remained sour, and his ratings during 1982 fell even further, hitting the 40% range, ending his second year at 41%. In the '82 midterm elections, the Republicans lost 28 seats in the House. The cause? The economy and the voter's anger over it.

The unemployment rate in Reagan's second year - a full year after his tax cuts for the top 1% - rose to a post WW2 high of 10.8%. According to Gallup, only one third approved of the way he was handling the economy, with the deficit exploding due to his tax cuts benefiting the wealthy.

At the beginning of '83, his approval rating fell to a low of 35%.

The economy, and Reagan's approval, only started to improve in his third year.

01/1981 - Unemployment rate 7.5% .... Reagan sworn in.
02/1981 - 7.4%
03/1981 - 7.4%
04/1981 - 7.2%
05/1981 - 7.5%
06/1981 - 7.5%
07/1981 - 7.2%
08/1981 - 7.4% *Reagan cuts taxes for top 1% & says unemployment will DROP to 6.9%.
09/1981 - 7.6%
10/1981 - 7.9%
11/1981 - 8.3%
12/1981 - 8.5%
01/1982 - 8.6%
02/1982 - 8.9%
03/1982 - 9.0%
04/1982 - 9.3%
05/1982 - 9.4%
06/1982 - 9.6%
07/1982 - 9.8%
08/1982 - 9.8%
09/1982 - 10.1%
10/1982 - 10.4%
11/1982 - 10.8%

For some contrast:

At the start of President Obama's second year, the unemployment rate has so far fallen from 10% to 9.7%, and in the BEA/U.S. Department of Commerce's now revised estimate for GDP growth in the 4th quarter of 2009, released on Friday, the number went up from the initial estimate of 5.7% to 5.9% - the best growth in over six years.

In addition, as some may have already seen, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office last week released its study on the impact of the Recovery Act so far:

The stimulus created up to 2.1 million jobs in the last three months of 2009.

It boosted the economy by up to 3.5 percent.

It lowered the unemployment rate by up to 2.1 percent during that period.

In 2010, the package is expected to boost GDP by between 1.4 percent and 4 percent.

In 2010 the package is expected to bring down the unemployment rate by between 0.7 percent and 1.8 percent.

And in contrast to Reagan's approval numbers, as Gallup released today, President Obama has hovered at just below or above 50% in a "high degree of stability" since November, while Reagan's had plummeted to 40% or below during the same period.


The point:

It must have been quite a luxury for Reagan's administration to not have a breathless, narrative-driven, fact-allergic, obituary-addicted, lunatic 24-hour cable news cycle during their first term.
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It would've been aweosme to have a Fox New during those Ragan years... I would've given my left nut to see glenn Beck wax poetic about Reagans alien threat speech, or have Hannity talk about how smart it was to make ketchup a vegetable to cut back on school lunch programs, while pointing out how lucky the poor are gonna be when those tax cuts trckle down on us like warm piss down the side of your leg when you leave the toilet to quick...

imagine if we had a Foxnews back in the good old days...


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and tax cuts for the rich do work... this man was able to get a high priced hooker, so he was able to tricke down... on her!!!

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we still can't figure out why he only tipped his bartender 4%, but we think it's because he's a selfish douchbag...
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Any of our esteemed Rocks Off Righties want to stick up for Sen. Bunning for stalling the Unemployment extension? How about Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the Republican whip, who thinks Unemployment benefits dissuade people from getting jobs?

They've gone from being the Party of No, to the Party of Hell No, to the Party of Fuck You.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/senator-jim-bunning-jonathan-karl-excuse-99...

Sen. Bunning's office # is (202) 224-4343. Please call him.
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"They've gone from being the Party of No, to the Party of Hell No, to the Party of Fuck You"

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Jesus Christ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2010 at 8:56am:
Any of our esteemed Rocks Off Righties want to stick up for Sen. Bunning for stalling the Unemployment extension? How about Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the Republican whip, who thinks Unemployment benefits dissuade people from getting jobs?

They've gone from being the Party of No, to the Party of Hell No, to the Party of Fuck You.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/senator-jim-bunning-jonathan-karl-excuse-99...

Sen. Bunning's office # is (202) 224-4343. Please call him.

Jesus, here's how it should work here.
The orange costs $1.  You do not have $1.  You don't buy the orange.

Here's what this country is used to:
I'll buy the orange with a promise to pay it back.

Sen Bunning is trying to get people to understand there is no free orange.

If you propose to have people call his office I hope it is to congratulate him.

The result of too much spending without the ability to pay for it?
Your offspring might live in Des Moines, however, they will speak Chinese.

Curious oh bearded one.....you call yourself the Messiah, yet you curse like a truck driver & advocate political action.  What is your 'splanation for this behavior?
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Reply #9017 - Mar 2nd, 2010 at 11:36am
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Nellcote wrote on Mar 2nd, 2010 at 11:05am:
Jesus Christ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2010 at 8:56am:
Any of our esteemed Rocks Off Righties want to stick up for Sen. Bunning for stalling the Unemployment extension? How about Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the Republican whip, who thinks Unemployment benefits dissuade people from getting jobs?

They've gone from being the Party of No, to the Party of Hell No, to the Party of Fuck You.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/senator-jim-bunning-jonathan-karl-excuse-99...

Sen. Bunning's office # is (202) 224-4343. Please call him.

Jesus, here's how it should work here.
The orange costs $1.  You do not have $1.  You don't buy the orange.

Here's what this country is used to:
I'll buy the orange with a promise to pay it back.

Sen Bunning is trying to get people to understand there is no free orange.

If you propose to have people call his office I hope it is to congratulate him.

The result of too much spending without the ability to pay for it?
Your offspring might live in Des Moines, however, they will speak Chinese.

Curious oh bearded one.....you call yourself the Messiah, yet you curse like a truck driver & advocate political action.  What is your 'splanation for this behavior?



While I agree that both parties spend way too much, with the current economic situation I have no problem with our govt borrowing money to keep the unemployed from starving. Let's remember how we got here. The previous admin ran up a huge debt while accomplishing ZERO improvements for our country/citizens. Now we're spending money to keep the unfortunate afloat until jobs become more available. And let's not forget, Dick Cheney says "deficits don't matter". I have no doubt that should the R's get back into power, they will continue to spend on things that don't improve the lives of citizens. And the debt will continue to rise . . .

By the way, has anyone else noticed how wonderful telephone help lines have become? Our cable help desk operator must have been an EE. I was discussing transmission line effects with him, and he really knew the science. Must be another unfortunate guy doing whatever he can to stay above water.
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"It's coming, It's coming fast and hard"-

Health Care Reform.

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"It's coming, It's coming fast and hard"-

Health Care Reform.



Ram it down their throats if they want it or not!  What the fuck?
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Some Guy wrote on Mar 2nd, 2010 at 11:41am:
"It's coming, It's coming fast and hard"-

Health Care Reform.



Ram it down their throats if they want it or not!  What the fuck?



Despite what the R's say on faux, the majority of Americans want reform.
I got unfunded war debt thrust upon me. Not a lot of talk about that.

And for those who don't want reform, you will benefit from reform with lower premiums and no dropped coverage should you become ill.
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Edith Grove wrote on Mar 2nd, 2010 at 11:46am:
Some Guy wrote on Mar 2nd, 2010 at 11:41am:
"It's coming, It's coming fast and hard"-

Health Care Reform.



Ram it down their throats if they want it or not!  What the fuck?



Despite what the R's say on faux, the majority of Americans want reform.
I got unfunded war debt thrust upon me. Not a lot of talk about that.

And for those who don't want reform, you will benefit from reform with lower premiums and no dropped coverage should you become ill.

Republicans fought Social Security and Medicare.
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Nellcote wrote on Mar 2nd, 2010 at 11:05am:
Jesus Christ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2010 at 8:56am:
Any of our esteemed Rocks Off Righties want to stick up for Sen. Bunning for stalling the Unemployment extension? How about Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the Republican whip, who thinks Unemployment benefits dissuade people from getting jobs?

They've gone from being the Party of No, to the Party of Hell No, to the Party of Fuck You.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/senator-jim-bunning-jonathan-karl-excuse-99...

Sen. Bunning's office # is (202) 224-4343. Please call him.

Jesus, here's how it should work here.
The orange costs $1.  You do not have $1.  You don't buy the orange.

Here's what this country is used to:
I'll buy the orange with a promise to pay it back.

Sen Bunning is trying to get people to understand there is no free orange.

If you propose to have people call his office I hope it is to congratulate him.

The result of too much spending without the ability to pay for it?
Your offspring might live in Des Moines, however, they will speak Chinese.

Curious oh bearded one.....you call yourself the Messiah, yet you curse like a truck driver & advocate political action.  What is your 'splanation for this behavior?



If Sen. Bunning had spoken up about our unfunded war in Iraq, his current stance would be slightly more defensible. He did not.

Where in the Bible is cursing (the kind that doesn't take My name, or Dad's, in vain) or political activity prohibited?

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Funman you sir are an out of touch fool! Every single poll regarding this monstrosity that the Democrats are trying to force down America's throats shows conclusively that we, the American people, do NOT want this piece of shit massive governmental power grab. Medicare is going broke. Medicaid is going broke. Social Security is going broke. Do you ever stop and wonder why all these government run institutions are on their backs? It's because fucking clueless fucks like Pelosi and Reid don't know how to run shit other than a campaign. Now you, in your liberal blindness, want to hand the government the reins of the entire health care system, and with it the choices for you and your family's life and death?!?!?! Well the American people have spoken, and they brilliantly, have told everyone that thinks like you do to go take a flying leap!


As for that stupid limpwristed cock sucker JC. Jim Bunning is merely telling the Democrats like it is. "You want to extend the unemployment payouts fine. Find a way of paying for them. In other words cut spending somewhere else!" Democrats can't stop their massive spending though, so they, once again, are just ready to pass the bill on to the next generation. Go fuck yourself Dems! Come November your asses will be out!


JC you are a real piece of work! Once again, a liberal moron like yourself relies on emotions to sell your limpwristed beliefs. Look here you stupid fuckstick, what Bunning is saying is pretty clear. Now it does require one to listen and use a little something that we call "logic", so it may go right over your head. At least try and understand that your party of idiots is spending this nation into the poor house, and Americans are waking up to the danger and the reality that morons like you are the problem. You, and your ideas, are not the solution that is for god damned sure! I can't wait until November!!! I am going to rub all this shit in your face when your heroes are drummed out of the Senate, and the House. Come 2012 it will be even better! The worst president in US history will be kicked out on his ass, and he will have done exactly what I said he would do. He will have destroyed the Democrat party.



Here's Bunning in his own words, and he's 100% right!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWVmJAVh7dI&feature=player_embedded




JC go fuck yourself!!! LOL!




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Jesus Christ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2010 at 12:45pm:
Nellcote wrote on Mar 2nd, 2010 at 11:05am:
Jesus Christ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2010 at 8:56am:
Any of our esteemed Rocks Off Righties want to stick up for Sen. Bunning for stalling the Unemployment extension? How about Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the Republican whip, who thinks Unemployment benefits dissuade people from getting jobs?

They've gone from being the Party of No, to the Party of Hell No, to the Party of Fuck You.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/senator-jim-bunning-jonathan-karl-excuse-99...

Sen. Bunning's office # is (202) 224-4343. Please call him.

Jesus, here's how it should work here.
The orange costs $1.  You do not have $1.  You don't buy the orange.

Here's what this country is used to:
I'll buy the orange with a promise to pay it back.

Sen Bunning is trying to get people to understand there is no free orange.

If you propose to have people call his office I hope it is to congratulate him.

The result of too much spending without the ability to pay for it?
Your offspring might live in Des Moines, however, they will speak Chinese.

Curious oh bearded one.....you call yourself the Messiah, yet you curse like a truck driver & advocate political action.  What is your 'splanation for this behavior?



If Sen. Bunning had spoken up about our unfunded war in Iraq, his current stance would be slightly more defensible. He did not.

Where in the Bible is cursing (the kind that doesn't take My name, or Dad's, in vain) or political activity prohibited?





Oh, I get it. Because Bush spent like a fool that gives Obummer free reign to spend like a fool times 5?!?!?! Is that your position dumbfuck? The Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined are a pittance to what these Dems have spent in 13 short months!! Obummer has already out spent Bush you clueless fuck!!! Yet you want to spend more! That's it! Just spend our way out of this financial clusterfuck!! Only an idiot can find any logic in that. Not surprising that you would offer it up JC. There is a reason that the Democrats, and the three headed monster of Pelosi/Reid/Obama are going to get their asses handed to them in November. That reason is because they espouse the same complete and utter bullshit that you do JC. You're just a dumbfuck. There is no other explanation.



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