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Question: What item is most likely found in the top drawer of Riffy's dresser?

naked pictures of Reagan    
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Barry O voodoo doll    
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Hoffa's body    
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DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
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JC's boss's phone number    
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bucket of chicken    
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three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
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"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
  4 (16.0%)




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Reply #8450 - Jan 20th, 2010 at 5:09pm
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Jesus Christ wrote on Jan 20th, 2010 at 4:06pm:
Pdog wrote on Jan 20th, 2010 at 2:30pm:

So, you don't think MLK was a great man... and you admit you just lie and make shit up for the hell of it, thanks for the clarity, not that it was obvious to me already.
Still waiting for you to tell me how Robertson is right about Haiti... nd all the other racist hateful people in your grand party...
I think the win in MA is pretty hollow, it's not like Dems were using the majority for anything anyway... Hopefully Mr. March will come through for you... but he just beat perhaps the worst candidate ever... who disses the red sox while runnnig for office in MA?


Now, now, P Diddley, don't leap to conclusions. He said the MLK stuff was a "cute tweak" for the drones.  I think we've already established that none of us are drones. Maybe he really does think MLK was a great man. Maybe he doesn't but is afraid to say so.

Couldn't agree more on the "who cares" factor of yesterday's election. It's not like the Dems did ANYTHING with their supermajority. And it seems like the best candidate won.

So I guess the last President whose approval rating was THIS abysmally low 1 year into his first term - it was lower, in fact - was the same guy who presided over the USA the last time was saw double digit unemployment.

Ronald Wilson Reagan.






The good old days of AIDS and Crack... How we wish for those good ole' days again, when we sat around and pretended ketchup packets were vegetables... and to think Riffy was a Democrat then... Because he's a man who stands for something, then abandons it and treats everyone like shit because he feels he was decieved by the ideasl he never did anything with to begin with... ummm...!!!

LJ, you're glad the healthcare reform Hillary Clinton, who you supported, is going down the tubes... that really doesn't make sense...  She spent her life waiting and working for this... REALLY? Sad you you've let others hate for a person, change your beliefs... his is what happens when principles are abonded for personality or in this case.... I'm not even sure... this is a president following after George Bush...  We went a full year without being attacked by terrorists... the bar is so low, it was laid on the ground, and still Democrats are tripping over it... WTF? If you think the rest of the world scratched thier heads when Bush was president, they have completely lost us now... completely... the same people who blamed fags and liberal for september 11th attacks, are now cheering for our own demise and failure... WTF? It's so obviously wrong, that people miss b/c they're blinded by vitriolic hate... and yet they follow Sarah Palin, like she's a genius... go figure. The banks might be to big to fail, but the USA isn't.
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Reply #8451 - Jan 20th, 2010 at 6:08pm
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He's Done Everything Wrong
by Mort Zuckerman
January 19, 2010 | 11:19pm

Obama punted on the economy and reversed the fortunes of the Democrats in 365 days.

He’s misjudged the character of the country in his whole approach. There’s the saying, “It’s the economy, stupid.” He didn’t get it. He was determined somehow or other to adopt a whole new agenda. He didn’t address the main issue.

This health-care plan is going to be a fiscal disaster for the country. Most of the country wanted to deal with costs, not expansion of coverage. This is going to raise costs dramatically.

In the campaign, he said he would change politics as usual. He did change them. It’s now worse than it was. I’ve now seen the kind of buying off of politicians that I’ve never seen before. It’s politically corrupt and it’s starting at the top. It’s revolting.

Five states got deals on health care—one of them was Harry Reid’s. It is disgusting, just disgusting. I’ve never seen anything like it. The unions just got them to drop the tax on Cadillac plans in the health-care bill. It was pure union politics. They just went along with it. It’s a bizarre form of political corruption. It’s bribery. I suppose they could say, that’s the system. He was supposed to change it or try to change it.

Even that is not the worst part. He could have said, “I know. I promised these things, but let me try to do them one at a time.” You want to deal with health care? Fine. Issue No. 1 with health care was the cost. You know I think it was 37 percent or 33 who were worried about coverage. Fine, I wrote an editorial to this effect. Focus on cost-containment first. But he’s trying to boil the ocean, trying to do too much. This is not leadership.

Obama’s ability to connect with voters is what launched him. But what has surprised me is how he has failed to connect with the voters since he’s been in office. He’s had so much overexposure. You have to be selective. He was doing five Sunday shows. How many press conferences? And now people stop listening to him. The fact is he had 49.5 million listeners to first speech on the economy. On Medicare, he had 24 million. He’s lost his audience. He has not rallied public opinion. He has plunged in the polls more than any other political figure since we’ve been using polls. He’s done everything wrong. Well, not everything, but the major things.

I don’t consider it a triumph. I consider it a disaster.

One business leader said to me, “In the Clinton administration, the policy people were at the center, and the political people were on the sideline. In the Obama administration, the political people are at the center, and the policy people are on the sidelines.”

I’m very disappointed. We endorsed him. I voted for him. I supported him publicly and privately.

I hope there are changes. I think he’s already laid in huge problems for the country. The fiscal program was a disaster. You have to get the money as quickly as possible into the economy. They didn’t do that. By end of the first year, only one-third of the money was spent. Why is that?

He should have jammed a stimulus plan into Congress and said, “This is it. No changes. Don’t give me that bullshit. We have a national emergency.” Instead they turned it over to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi who can run circles around him.

It’s very sad. It’s really sad.

He’s improved America’s image in the world. He absolutely did. But you have to translate that into something. Let me tell you what a major leader said to me recently. “We are convinced,” he said, “that he is not strong enough to confront his enemy. We are concerned,” he said “that he is not strong to support his friends.”

The political leadership of the world is very, very dismayed. He better turn it around. The Democrats are going to get killed in this election. Jesus, looks what’s happening in Massachusetts.

It’s really interesting because he had brilliant, brilliant political instincts during the campaign. I don’t know what has happened to them. His appointments present somebody who has a lot to learn about how government works. He better get some very talented businesspeople who know how to implement things. It’s unbelievable. Everybody says so. You can’t believe how dismayed people are. That’s why he’s plunging in the polls.

I can’t predict things two years from now, but if he continues on the downward spiral he is on, he won’t be reelected. In the meantime, the Democrats have recreated the Republican Party. And when I say Democrats, I mean the Obama administration. In the generic vote, the Democrats were ahead something like 52 to 30. They are now behind the Republicans 48 to 44 in the last poll. Nobody has ever seen anything that dramatic.

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Reply #8452 - Jan 20th, 2010 at 6:44pm
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"the same people who blamed fags and liberal for september 11th attacks, are now cheering for our own demise and failure... "

I don't recall anyone blaming liberals and fags for the 9/11 attacks. Where the hell are you getting your news? And please don't lump everyone who doesn't sing the praises of BO in with the right wing zealots.  I sure as hell don't want him to fail, I just don't agree with the decisions he's made.  This country is going down the toilet faster than Charles Nelson Reilly on Mitch Gaylord and it's obvious to anyone with a brain the focus needs to be on the economy.  This is where Obama and his minions don't get it.  Bush didn't get it either. Both parties contributed to the mess.
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Reply #8453 - Jan 20th, 2010 at 6:46pm
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One business leader said to me, “In the Clinton administration, the policy people were at the center, and the political people were on the sideline. In the Obama administration, the political people are at the center, and the policy people are on the sidelines.”


Well he did promise change didn't he?
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Reply #8454 - Jan 20th, 2010 at 7:17pm
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keiths liver wrote on Jan 20th, 2010 at 6:44pm:
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"the same people who blamed fags and liberal for september 11th attacks, are now cheering for our own demise and failure... "

I don't recall anyone blaming liberals and fags for the 9/11 attacks. Where the hell are you getting your news? And please don't lump everyone who doesn't sing the praises of BO in with the right wing zealots.  I sure as hell don't want him to fail, I just don't agree with the decisions he's made.  This country is going down the toilet faster than Charles Nelson Reilly on Mitch Gaylord and it's obvious to anyone with a brain the focus needs to be on the economy.  This is where Obama and his minions don't get it.  Bush didn't get it either. Both parties contributed to the mess.  



i agree with 100% career politicians and special intrest groups... Bush flushed and the handle broke and Obama looked at it and went and called a 100 billion dollar an hour plumber...

to answer your question, Pat Robertson said it... piece of shit that he is...
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Reply #8455 - Jan 20th, 2010 at 7:32pm
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"LJ, you're glad the healthcare reform Hillary Clinton, who you supported, is going down the tubes... that really doesn't make sense...  She spent her life waiting and working for this... REALLY? Sad you you've let others hate for a person, change your beliefs... his is what happens when principles are abonded for personality or in this case.... I'm not even sure... this is a president following after George Bush...  We went a full year without being attacked by terrorists... the bar is so low, it was laid on the ground, and still Democrats are tripping over it... WTF? If you think the rest of the world scratched thier heads when Bush was president, they have completely lost us now... completely... the same people who blamed fags and liberal for september 11th attacks, are now cheering for our own demise and failure... WTF? It's so obviously wrong, that people miss b/c they're blinded by vitriolic hate... and yet they follow Sarah Palin, like she's a genius... go figure. The banks might be to big to fail, but the USA isn't"

I have re-read the above about 10 times and I still scratch my head.

Your stream of consciousness posting leaves much to be desired.

I work in the healthcare field. We need reform; but not a bill that is being rammed down the throats of the country. Not a bill that no one seems to understand, ESPECIALLY those who are its proponents. Not a bill that will add to the already spiraling deficit.

I have mistrusted Barack Obama from DAY 1. The man is a complete fraud, imho. He made promise after promise that has been broken. What happened to the hearings re Health Care being COMPLETELY OPEN to C-SPAN coverage? What happened to the bi-paritsanship HE was going to deliver??? All a bunch of bullshit.

NO ONE changed MY beliefs. I'm quite capable of making up my own mind. And that I did; during PRIMARY SEASON LAST YEAR!!!

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A big THUMBS DOWN to the US Supreme Court for abolishing bi-partisan approved campaign finance reform.

I may lean to the right at times, but not on this one!!

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Reply #8457 - Jan 22nd, 2010 at 10:06am
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LadyJane wrote on Jan 22nd, 2010 at 7:31am:
A big THUMBS DOWN to the US Supreme Court for abolishing bi-partisan approved campaign finance reform.

I may lean to the right at times, but not on this one!!

LJ.




It was a genius move. Do you wonder why Democrats hate it? It was a stand for 1st Amendment rights issues. It's very easy to play class warfare with this topic, and talk about the evil of "big corporations" with their "big money", but there is so much more to it, and I haven't the time nor inclination to go over all the reasons that the SCOTUS made the right call. Suffice it to say I love it! If Democrats hate, that usually means I like it!


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Reply #8458 - Jan 22nd, 2010 at 10:20am
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January 22, 2010
The Meaning of Brown
By Charles Krauthammer

WASHINGTON -- On Jan. 14, five days before the Massachusetts special election, President Obama was in full bring-it-on mode as he rallied House Democrats behind his health care reform. "If Republicans want to campaign against what we've done by standing up for the status quo and for insurance companies over American families and businesses, that is a fight I want to have."

The bravado lasted three days. When Obama campaigned in Boston on Jan. 17 for Obamacare supporter Martha Coakley, not once did he mention the health care bill. When your candidate is sinking, you don't throw her a millstone.

After Coakley's defeat, Obama pretended that the real cause was a generalized anger and frustration "not just because of what's happened in the last year or two years, but what's happened over the last eight years."

Let's get this straight: The antipathy to George W. Bush is so enduring and powerful that ... it just elected a Republican senator in Massachusetts? Why, the man is omnipotent.

And the Democrats are delusional: Scott Brown won by running against Obama not Bush. He won by brilliantly nationalizing the race, running hard against the Obama agenda, most notably Obamacare. Killing it was his No. 1 campaign promise.

Bull's-eye. An astonishing 56 percent of Massachusetts voters, according to Rasmussen, called health care their top issue. In a Fabrizio, McLaughlin & Associates poll, 78 percent of Brown voters said their vote was intended to stop Obamacare. Only a quarter of all voters in the Rasmussen poll cited the economy as their top issue, nicely refuting the Democratic view that Massachusetts was just the usual anti-incumbent resentment you expect in bad economic times.

Brown ran on a very specific, very clear agenda. Stop health care. Don't Mirandize terrorists. Don't raise taxes; cut them. And no more secret backroom deals with special interests.

These deals -- the Louisiana purchase, the Cornhusker kickback -- had engendered a national disgust with the corruption and arrogance of one-party rule. The final straw was the union payoff -- in which labor bosses smugly walked out of the White House with a five-year exemption from a ("Cadillac") health insurance tax Democrats were imposing on the 92 percent of private-sector workers who are not unionized.

The reason both wings of American liberalism -- congressional and mainstream media -- were so surprised at the force of anti-Democratic sentiment is that they'd spent Obama's first year either ignoring or disdaining the clear early signs of resistance: the tea-party movement of the spring and the town-hall meetings of the summer. With characteristic condescension, they contemptuously dismissed the protests as the mere excrescences of a redneck, retrograde, probably racist rabble.

You would think lefties could discern a proletarian vanguard when they see one. Yet they kept denying the reality of the rising opposition to Obama's social democratic agenda when summer turned to fall and Virginia and New Jersey turned Republican in the year's two gubernatorial elections.

The evidence was unmistakable: Independents, who in 2008 had elected Obama, swung massively against the Democrats: dropping 16 points in Virginia, 21 in New Jersey. On Tuesday, it was even worse: Independents, who had gone 2-to-1 Republican in Virginia and New Jersey, now went 3-to-1 Republican in hyper-blue Massachusetts. Nor was this an expression of the more agitated elements who vote in obscure low-turnout elections. The turnout on Tuesday was the highest for any nonpresidential Massachusetts election in 20 years.

Democratic cocooners will tell themselves that Coakley was a terrible candidate who even managed to diss Curt Schilling. True, Brown had Schilling. But Coakley had Obama. When the bloody sock beats the presidential seal -- of a man who had them swooning only a year ago -- something is going on beyond personality.

That something is substance -- political ideas and legislative agendas. Democrats, if they wish, can write off their Massachusetts humiliation to high unemployment, to Coakley or, the current favorite among sophisticates, to generalized anger. That implies an inchoate, unthinking lashing-out at whoever happens to be in power -- even at your liberal betters who are forcing on you an agenda that you can't even see is in your own interest.

Democrats must so rationalize, otherwise they must take democracy seriously, and ask themselves: If the people really don't want it, could they possibly have a point?

"If you lose Massachusetts and that's not a wake-up call," said moderate -- and sentient -- Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana, "there's no hope of waking up."

I say: Let them sleep.

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This just in............


RASMUSSEN:
Obama Approval Index: -18
Strongly Approve 25%
Strongly Disapprove 43%

Total Approval: 45%


*Drone Test Alert!*Drone Test Alert!*Drone Test Alert!*



For those of you you claim that you are not drones (you're just smarter than everyone else, right? LOL!) Here's a little test.

This past Wednesday Obama told George Stephanopoulos on CBS News-

"The same thing that swept Scott Brown into office swept me into office.

People are angry, and they're frustrated. Not just because of what's happened in the last year or two years, but what's happened over the last eight years."


So here is your Drone Test. Is President Obama full of shit? A simple yes, or no will suffice.


Did the voters of Massachusetts really vote for Scott Brown because they are still mad at Bush? Or did they vote against the far left leanings of an out of control congress, and the far left ideology emanating from the White House?



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Well, if there is one thing we agree on, it would be the wisdom the founding fathers (maybe arrogant and condescending?)


"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."  - Thomas Jefferson

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is easier to acquire wealth and power by this combination than by deserving them, and to effect this, they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purposes."  - Thomas Jefferson

"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must approve the homage of reason rather than of blind-folded fear. Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences.... If it end in a belief that there is no god, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise and in the love of others it will procure for you."  - Thomas Jefferson

"If we did a good act merely from the love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? It is idle to say, as some do, that no such thing exists. We have the same evidence of the fact as of most of those we act on, to wit: their own affirmations, and their reasonings in support of them. I have observed, indeed, generally, that while in Protestant countries the defections from the Platonic Christianity of the priests is to Deism, in Catholic countries they are to Atheism. Diderot, D'Alembert, D'Holbach, Condorcet, are known to have been among the most virtuous of men. Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than love of God."  - Thomas Jefferson

"Wither Christianity by ridicule or bludgeon it to death by argument."  - Thomas Paine

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind."  - Thomas Paine

"The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most dishonorable belief against the character of the Divinity, the most destructive to morality and the peace and happiness of man, that ever was propagated since man began to exist."  - Thomas Paine
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Reply #8461 - Jan 22nd, 2010 at 10:48am
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Every time I see Obama & Stephonopoulos I think softball tournament.
Never a hard question asked.  To compare those two elections is silly.
Brown won in two weeks time.  Obama was going to win, as McCain was weak.
To hear Pelosi with her arrogant "we will get health care passed" shows
me she hasn't a clue.  Wonder what Harry Reid's election will be like
since the Scott Heard Round The World?  

Oh & since when are the banks continuing to be open season?
That tax on banks is not fair to the banks who have paid back
the money with interest.  They were bailed out & they paid back.
Did the automakers pay anything back?  Why aren't the automakers who have
not paid back a penny being treated in the same manner?  They are
the ones who should be gone after.  Obama will never do it, as he's
afraid of pissing off the unions.  I think that ship has sailed since Tuesday....
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This just in............


RASMUSSEN:
Obama Approval Index: -18
Strongly Approve 25%
Strongly Disapprove 43%

Total Approval: 45%


*Drone Test Alert!*Drone Test Alert!*Drone Test Alert!*



For those of you you claim that you are not drones (you're just smarter than everyone else, right? LOL!) Here's a little test.

This past Wednesday Obama told George Stephanopoulos on CBS News-

"The same thing that swept Scott Brown into office swept me into office.

People are angry, and they're frustrated. Not just because of what's happened in the last year or two years, but what's happened over the last eight years."


So here is your Drone Test. Is President Obama full of shit? A simple yes, or no will suffice.


Did the voters of Massachusetts really vote for Scott Brown because they are still mad at Bush? Or did they vote against the far left leanings of an out of control congress, and the far left ideology emanating from the White House?



Riffy


yea dude, they got alot to be mad about, but you think this means one year later everything would be fine, no matter what? that's what you're saying... you've been mad since I knew you anyway, you've bitched when you won and when you lost... basically the dems lost a seat they controlled longer than i been alive... nothing wrong with balance and checks, in fact it is a very good thing. you think Mass is some liberal stronghold? They elected Romney Gov. you're acting, b/c that's what right wing pundits are sating, that some major paridigm shift has occured... it was aone special election, and even if they enire country went back to red, we're still fucked... and no matter what you say things are better... then again, a die hard rightie just told me, that all this money Obama is spending on Haiti should be spent here... I said what? Aren't you guy who a few weeks ago told me that Obama is spending too much money? His response was, well, you know what I mean... seems he didn't have a response from Hannity for my query...
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Reply #8463 - Jan 22nd, 2010 at 1:56pm
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Well, if there is one thing we agree on, it would be the wisdom the founding fathers (maybe arrogant and condescending?)


"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."  - Thomas Jefferson

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is easier to acquire wealth and power by this combination than by deserving them, and to effect this, they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purposes."  - Thomas Jefferson

"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must approve the homage of reason rather than of blind-folded fear. Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences.... If it end in a belief that there is no god, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise and in the love of others it will procure for you."  - Thomas Jefferson

"If we did a good act merely from the love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? It is idle to say, as some do, that no such thing exists. We have the same evidence of the fact as of most of those we act on, to wit: their own affirmations, and their reasonings in support of them. I have observed, indeed, generally, that while in Protestant countries the defections from the Platonic Christianity of the priests is to Deism, in Catholic countries they are to Atheism. Diderot, D'Alembert, D'Holbach, Condorcet, are known to have been among the most virtuous of men. Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than love of God."  - Thomas Jefferson

"Wither Christianity by ridicule or bludgeon it to death by argument."  - Thomas Paine

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind."  - Thomas Paine

"The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most dishonorable belief against the character of the Divinity, the most destructive to morality and the peace and happiness of man, that ever was propagated since man began to exist."  - Thomas Paine




Let me ask you a question you detestable bastard. Why is that you continually harp on about the evils of the Christian religion? Why must you proselytize about your complete lack of Christian faith, and hatred of it? Does this make you feel superior? Do you see anyone here preaching to you? No! So why must you persist in slamming everyone else's Christian faith? You may not believe this, in fact I'm sure you don't, but Christianity helps hundreds of millions of people on a daily basis. Why do you so detest that so? Do you think that you know better than the hundreds of millions of practicing Christians worldwide? Are you really that arrogant?!

Here's another question for you to ponder has you continue to slam Christianity. Prior to the terrible earthquake in Haiti, which charitable organizations were doing all the heavy lifting in that very poor nation? Here's your answer you fucking prick! It was Christian relief groups, Catholic Charities, and various other Christian organizations. While you sit here and bitch about something that you know absolutely nothing about, good Christians were over in Haiti providing free schools, free clothes, free food, and yes, even free ministries. They are such corruptible types those Christians.


Let me let you on one more little secret you pompous asshole. My grandfather was a Presbyterian minister, and he preached at a church in St. Paul, Minnesota. He passed away in 1964. There were over 2000 people that showed up at his funeral. Why? Because he was a pillar of society, and he did many great things for thousands of people his entire life through his faith and ministry. He was loved by his community, whcih is more than you will ever be able to say. What the fuck have you done for anyone?!?!?!


While my language may not be very Christian, my disgust at your contemptible slam of all things good about Christianity is enough to make me want to tell you go fuck yourself. So I will. Go fuck yourself!!



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You appear determined to miss the point.  The fact is that good and decent people like your grandfather would be good and decent people with or without religion.  Sociobiology teaches us that altruistic behavior is pro-survival, so people naturally evolved to work together.  On the other hand, you cannot deny the evil perpetrated in the name of God.  As one wit put it, "Religion is an insult to human dignity.  With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things.  But for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."
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If your Christianity hasn't given you any peace of mind, what is it exactly that draws you in?
(I mean besides the tax exemption)

These aren't my words (below). These are quotes from some of the founding fathers. I can't answer you, why they feel the way they do. I would expect you can do the google research and find your answers.

I can only present the FACTS. Yeah, that's right, FACTS !!



"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."  - Thomas Jefferson

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is easier to acquire wealth and power by this combination than by deserving them, and to effect this, they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purposes."  - Thomas Jefferson

"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must approve the homage of reason rather than of blind-folded fear. Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences.... If it end in a belief that there is no god, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise and in the love of others it will procure for you."  - Thomas Jefferson

"If we did a good act merely from the love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? It is idle to say, as some do, that no such thing exists. We have the same evidence of the fact as of most of those we act on, to wit: their own affirmations, and their reasonings in support of them. I have observed, indeed, generally, that while in Protestant countries the defections from the Platonic Christianity of the priests is to Deism, in Catholic countries they are to Atheism. Diderot, D'Alembert, D'Holbach, Condorcet, are known to have been among the most virtuous of men. Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than love of God."  - Thomas Jefferson

"Wither Christianity by ridicule or bludgeon it to death by argument."  - Thomas Paine

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind."  - Thomas Paine

"The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most dishonorable belief against the character of the Divinity, the most destructive to morality and the peace and happiness of man, that ever was propagated since man began to exist."  - Thomas Paine
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If your Christianity hasn't given you any peace of mind, what is it exactly that draws you in?
(I mean besides the tax exemption)

These aren't my words (below). These are quotes from some of the founding fathers. I can't answer you, why they feel the way they do. I would expect you can do the google research and find your answers.

I can only present the FACTS. Yeah, that's right, FACTS !!



"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."  - Thomas Jefferson

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is easier to acquire wealth and power by this combination than by deserving them, and to effect this, they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purposes."  - Thomas Jefferson

"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must approve the homage of reason rather than of blind-folded fear. Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences.... If it end in a belief that there is no god, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise and in the love of others it will procure for you."  - Thomas Jefferson

"If we did a good act merely from the love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? It is idle to say, as some do, that no such thing exists. We have the same evidence of the fact as of most of those we act on, to wit: their own affirmations, and their reasonings in support of them. I have observed, indeed, generally, that while in Protestant countries the defections from the Platonic Christianity of the priests is to Deism, in Catholic countries they are to Atheism. Diderot, D'Alembert, D'Holbach, Condorcet, are known to have been among the most virtuous of men. Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than love of God."  - Thomas Jefferson

"Wither Christianity by ridicule or bludgeon it to death by argument."  - Thomas Paine

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind."  - Thomas Paine

"The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most dishonorable belief against the character of the Divinity, the most destructive to morality and the peace and happiness of man, that ever was propagated since man began to exist."  - Thomas Paine




Here's a fact for you funman. EVERY single Founding Father (btw-Thomas Paine was not one!) was a Christian of some denomination. Even Thomas Jefferson, a Deist) had a strong belief in God, and also believed in Christ. He questioned his faith, as he was wont to do, but make no mistake, he believed in a "higher being", a "Nature's god" if you will. Have you ever been to the Jefferson Memorial in DC? A whole lot of quotes from Jefferson in there that relate directly to God, and yes, even Jesus Christ. You, of course, are smarter than Jefferson, so no matter.

Should I go track down countless quotes from John Adams, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, etc. just to prove my point?! Why bother? You wouldn't read them anyway.

You, my detestable prickish friend, are nothing more than a hater. You hate that of which you know nothing about! I know many Christians, and I'd bet my last dollar that every single one of them leads a more charitable, fulfilling, and happy life than you do, myself included. Tax exemption?!?!?!?! You are fucking nuts!!!!!!

Why don't you slam Jews? How about Muslims? Buddhists? No. Only Christians receive your particular brand of hate. Why is that? My bet is that you know that many Christians can't stand miserable fucks like Obama and yourself! Go fuck yourself you pathetic sad excuse of a man!


Anyone here care to defend this fucking cocksucker?! Line right up and jump on the Christian bashing bandwagon!! You know how inclusive and accepting you liberals are. Why not start slamming people of the Christian faith with your brother, fuckman here?! I mean he is so obviously wiser than than hundreds of millions of practicing Christians worldwide after all. How did the world ever fall for Christianity for over 2000 years, before fuckman came around and straightened us all out?!



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Riffy,
You appear determined to miss the point.  The fact is that good and decent people like your grandfather would be good and decent people with or without religion.  Sociobiology teaches us that altruistic behavior is pro-survival, so people naturally evolved to work together.  On the other hand, you cannot deny the evil perpetrated in the name of God.  As one wit put it, "Religion is an insult to human dignity.  With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things.  But for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."




Oh how very smug of you to assume that I missed any point. Not at all BJ. The point that you are missing is this. Most Christians, my grandfather included, believed that it was his very core belief in Christ than made him the man he is! It was his Christianity that brought about all good for him. It's called faith, and people that have none need not try and persuade those that do about the wisdom of atheism. You're never gonna sell it. There is nothing to sell.


As for the Founding Fathers' views? In Obamaspeak-"That's a fight that I want to have!"


Let's have a look shall we? Yes, we shall.

"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man." - Alexander Hamilton


“ God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel”- Benjamin Franklin


This is all the inheritance I can give my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed.”
—The Last Will and Testament of Patrick Henry

“Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.” - Thomas Jefferson


Oh, and as for Thomas Paine being a non-believer? Not true!


“ It has been the error of the schools to teach astronomy, and all the other sciences, and subjects of natural philosophy, as accomplishments only; whereas they should be taught theologically, or with reference to the Being who is the author of them: for all the principles of science are of divine origin. Man cannot make, or invent, or contrive principles: he can only discover them; and he ought to look through the discovery to the Author.”
“ The evil that has resulted from the error of the schools, in teaching natural philosophy as an accomplishment only, has been that of generating in the pupils a species of atheism. Instead of looking through the works of creation to the Creator himself, they stop short, and employ the knowledge they acquire to create doubts of his existence. They labour with studied ingenuity to ascribe every thing they behold to innate properties of matter, and jump over all the rest by saying, that matter is eternal.” - Thomas Paine.


I could go on, and on, and on, infinitum.


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Not a word for my argument, Riffy?  Sure, lots of Christians are decent folks, just as most Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and atheists.  Some in every group are scoundrels.  Human goodness is an evolutionary trait; religion is a cultural artifact of a more primitive time.  Why do decent, intelligent people still subscribe to it?  For some, it is simpler to go along to get along.  For others, it is mere fidelity to tradition.  For many, religion serves as consolation for the vicissitudes of life.  For those, it is not stupidity but emotional immaturity that binds them to belief in an all-powerful father.  It is not a belief that withstands analysis, so many choose not to analyze it.  You are free to join them.
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Not a word for my argument, Riffy?  Sure, lots of Christians are decent folks, just as most Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and atheists.  Some in every group are scoundrels.  Human goodness is an evolutionary trait; religion is a cultural artifact of a more primitive time.  Why do decent, intelligent people still subscribe to it?  For some, it is simpler to go along to get along.  For others, it is mere fidelity to tradition.  For many, religion serves as consolation for the vicissitudes of life.  For those, it is not stupidity but emotional immaturity that binds them to belief in an all-powerful father.  It is not a belief that withstands analysis, so many choose not to analyze it.  You are free to join them.



I'm not going to argue the virtues of faith, and certainly not the Christian faith with someone who so openly ridicules me for that very faith! To be so cocksure of yourself about what you perceive as some emotional immaturity is more than a little condescending, and frankly, incredibly arrogant. Whether you like it or not millions of people DO have a personal relationship with Christ, and it sustains them through many difficult times. That you would not understand that fact comes as no surprise to me. You have no faith in anything that you can not prove with science. If that works for you so be it. However, I'd like to ask you a question. Where did the very first atom come from? Kind of a chicken or the egg analogy, huh? That's a question that you can not ever know. Nor will any scientist be able to answer it. God knows though, and He ain't telling the likes of you, or me.


This is more about some asshole that continually gets his rocks off by slamming people's Christian faith. Note that not one Christian here is trying to talk him into anything as radical as going to church or anything. Yet, he harps on, and on, and on......... I am just just curious as to why he won't come on here and say, oh I don't know, something along the lines of, "Jews are big nosed morons that are robbing us blind to feed their Jew greed!" Why won't he say something like that? Why not say, "Muslims are dumbfucks for believing in this so called Allah bastard!" Or how about, "Buddhists?! What's up with those stupid freaks?!"


Do you see my point BJ? He is being a god damned bigot, plain and simple!!! And his bigotry tends to come down squarely on Christians. He equates them as redneck, backwoods, Bible thumping rubes who are too stupid to see the folly of their "immature" belief in some old fashioned religion. He knows nothing of true Christians. He's merely spouting off his insane arrogant "progressive" views of Christians. It's almost laughable, but it's wearing very thin. Like I said, he's a bigot, and he can go fuck himself for all I care.


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This just in............


*Drone Test Alert!*Drone Test Alert!*Drone Test Alert!*



For those of you you claim that you are not drones (you're just smarter than everyone else, right? LOL!)



This from the man who recently said:

" Yes! I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!!!!!!! Just like I said he would... I knew damned good and well ...That's not my opinion, mind you. That's a fact..."

Ad infinitum, ad nauseum. For YEARS.  To make it more nauseating, you've been wrong more than ANYONE, all the while bragging about how right you are.

OK, getting beyond the fact that YOU'RE smarter than everyone else, let's get down to your latest gem.



Riffhard wrote on Jan 22nd, 2010 at 10:22am:
Here's a little test.

This past Wednesday Obama told George Stephanopoulos on CBS News-

"The same thing that swept Scott Brown into office swept me into office.

People are angry, and they're frustrated. Not just because of what's happened in the last year or two years, but what's happened over the last eight years."


So here is your Drone Test. Is President Obama full of shit? A simple yes, or no will suffice.



Here's a link to the ENTIRE discussion.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2010/01/transcript-george-stephanopoulos-exclusi...


Not surprisingly, you've seized on the same 2 sentences that every right-wing pundit with a blog has been beating to death since that interview. I missed the part where he blamed Bush. I think he was talking about the whole system.
But, is he full of shit? Yes, he's a politician, so of course he is.

BUT he said "Not JUST because of the last year or two". The word JUST is key. It seems to me that the sentence structure indicates not only him taking the blame, but the main part of it.

Riffhard wrote on Jan 22nd, 2010 at 10:22am:


Did the voters of Massachusetts really vote for Scott Brown because they are still mad at Bush? Or did they vote against the far left leanings of an out of control congress, and the far left ideology emanating from the White House?


Riffy


No, they voted for him because that picture of him in Cosmo showing his pubic hair drives them WILD. He drove his old Chevy truck into their hearts.

...

They also voted for him because his opponent was one of the most un-electable candidates I've ever seen. See, in these election thingies, folks only have so many choices. If I lived in Massachusetts I would've stayed home.

a DRONE would've voted D no matter what.

Now, hows about YOU take a drone test?  Let's say there's a guy who doesn't have the most experience, in fact seems to be getting by on his good looks, who comes out of nowhere and wins an election.  Two weeks before, you didn't know who he was. NOW, however, based on your idea of what you assume he's going to do, you're singing "Happy Days Are Here Again".

How about looking at it this way:

A state senator who posed nude ... oh, hell, do we even need to go any further? Yeah, I know Al Franken did it too - but he was a comedian...

On the basis of Sen. Hunk getting elected, you immediately see:

The Obama/Pelosi/Reid government health care takeover? Dead!

Cap and Trade? Dead!

Union card check? Dead!

Immigration reform (err amnesty...)? Dead!

Obama lost last night in Massachusetts. The country won!

Massachusetts I said!!!!!

The only president who has crashed and burned faster than this clown was William Henry Harrison!! LOL!


"We have given you a Republic, if you can keep it."- Benjamin Franklin.

The good people of Massachusetts went a long way in doing just that last night.


Here's to you Massachusetts! Raise a glass to the USA!


You know all of this on the basis of ...what? The R after his name? So he's NOT going to vote according to what his STATE wants, as he was elected to do, but on the basis of what his PARTY wants him to do? He makes it possible for the Republicans to filibuster EVERYTHING, and you're certain that he's in lock-step with you, so you're (as usual) dancing around calling people names.

What things have boiled down to seems to be this:  The Republicans will block EVERYTHING the President wants to do, in order to regain power. At which point the Democrats will block everything the Republicans want. At which point (if we're not there already) the country will grind to a halt.  

And this, to you, equals "Happy Days Are Here Again".

So who's the idealogue? Who's the partisan?

Who's the DRONE?

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Nice way to insult the people of Massachusetts, jc.
They voted for Brown, in part, because of his Cosmo pics.
It's possible. Look at the President; he managed to charm quite a few million who are now completely disillusioned with him.


Face it.
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A big THUMBS DOWN to the US Supreme Court for abolishing bi-partisan approved campaign finance reform.

I may lean to the right at times, but not on this one!!

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nothing scarier than Unions and Big Oil ect... having no restrictions to throw money into our govt... when did public service end? I've never really known a time when elected officials worked for the people... Ecept for Ron Paul.
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Riffhard wrote on Jan 22nd, 2010 at 3:28pm:
Brainbell Jangler wrote on Jan 22nd, 2010 at 2:55pm:
Not a word for my argument, Riffy?  Sure, lots of Christians are decent folks, just as most Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and atheists.  Some in every group are scoundrels.  Human goodness is an evolutionary trait; religion is a cultural artifact of a more primitive time.  Why do decent, intelligent people still subscribe to it?  For some, it is simpler to go along to get along.  For others, it is mere fidelity to tradition.  For many, religion serves as consolation for the vicissitudes of life.  For those, it is not stupidity but emotional immaturity that binds them to belief in an all-powerful father.  It is not a belief that withstands analysis, so many choose not to analyze it.  You are free to join them.



I'm not going to argue the virtues of faith, and certainly not the Christian faith with someone who so openly ridicules me for that very faith! To be so cocksure of yourself about what you perceive as some emotional immaturity is more than a little condescending, and frankly, incredibly arrogant. Whether you like it or not millions of people DO have a personal relationship with Christ, and it sustains them through many difficult times. That you would not understand that fact comes as no surprise to me. You have no faith in anything that you can not prove with science. If that works for you so be it. However, I'd like to ask you a question. Where did the very first atom come from? Kind of a chicken or the egg analogy, huh? That's a question that you can not ever know. Nor will any scientist be able to answer it. God knows though, and He ain't telling the likes of you, or me.


This is more about some asshole that continually gets his rocks off by slamming people's Christian faith. Note that not one Christian here is trying to talk him into anything as radical as going to church or anything. Yet, he harps on, and on, and on......... I am just just curious as to why he won't come on here and say, oh I don't know, something along the lines of, "Jews are big nosed morons that are robbing us blind to feed their Jew greed!" Why won't he say something like that? Why not say, "Muslims are dumbfucks for believing in this so called Allah bastard!" Or how about, "Buddhists?! What's up with those stupid freaks?!"


Do you see my point BJ? He is being a god damned bigot, plain and simple!!! And his bigotry tends to come down squarely on Christians. He equates them as redneck, backwoods, Bible thumping rubes who are too stupid to see the folly of their "immature" belief in some old fashioned religion. He knows nothing of true Christians. He's merely spouting off his insane arrogant "progressive" views of Christians. It's almost laughable, but it's wearing very thin. Like I said, he's a bigot, and he can go fuck himself for all I care.


Riffy


"God knows though, and He ain't telling the likes of you, or me."

This isn't the "God" that I'm talking about. Sure, humans may never know the origins of the universe, but how can you claim "God knows"? That is simply saying that you give up. At least science has shown us that the Sun doesn't revolve around the Earth. Something I would have thought "God" would know.

I don't think I'm a bigot, but I realize I am opinionated about the pros and cons of religion. When I read your posts and try to square that with the teachings of JC, I get curious about your comprehension of this bible. I realize that depending on which verses one focuses on, God/JC can be understood to be preaching for peace or violence. This is especially true of the Koran.

Oh, and wasn't it you that said "I did it to piss liberals off" (or something to that effect?) regarding MLK .
I didn't get pissed, I just posted my own response. Did you "get your rocks off" ?

Maybe some good will come of it, maybe not.
Who knows, maybe your ilk will come out of the proverbial "fox hole" that I can't be found in, and join the conversation.
We'll be across the street hoping. (Ok, that was pure sarcasm, I admit it)
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