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naked pictures of Reagan    
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Hoffa's body    
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DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
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JC's boss's phone number    
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bucket of chicken    
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three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
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"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
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Johann Hari: The Republicans' dirty secret... torture

Allen West oversaw the brutal treatment of an Iraqi. Now he is running for Congress

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So what will be left of the Republican Party after next week's US election? The answer lies in the sands of Florida, where the sunshine-state Republicans have nominated an unrepentant torturer as their candidate for Congress. They view his readiness to torture an innocent Iraqi not as a source of shame, but as his prime qualification for office. This is American conservatism in the dying days of Bush – and it points out the direction that Sarah Palin would like to take it in 2012.

In August 2003, Colonel Allen West – commanding a US unit in Baghdad – heard a rumour that one of the Iraqi policeman he was working with was a secret insurgent. He ordered his officers to go and seize Yehiya Hamoodi, a thin, bespectacled 31-year-old, from his home. They dragged him into a Humvee, beat him, and then handcuffed, shackled and blindfolded him. In a dank interrogation room, they told him he had better start talking.

Perplexed and terrified, Yehiya explained he didn't know what they were talking about: why was he here? So West was called in. He told Yehiya he was going to be killed. While his men beat him again, he explained he had one last chance to save his life – by talking.

Yehiya protested: I am innocent! What are you talking about? So West took him outside, had him pinned down, and began to shoot. First he fired into the air. Then he ordered his men to ram Yehiya's head into a barrel used for cleaning weapons – and fired right next to his head. Then he began to count down from five. Finally Yehiya began to scream out names – any name he could think of, just to make it stop.

The men he named were seized and roughed up in turn. No evidence was found of any plot, and after another 45 days of terror, Yehiya was released. Today, he is severely traumatised, and collapses when he sees a Humvee approaching. The story only came to light after one of West's soldiers began to protest against these practices, and the Pentagon launched an investigation. At a pre-trial hearing, West was fined $5,000, and now concedes grudgingly: "It's possible I was wrong about Mr Hamoodi." But he says he would do it again, and again, and again.

West has even taken to joking about it, gaining applause for telling Republican audiences: "It wasn't torture. Seeing Rosie O'Donnell naked would be torture." But the 1994 Convention Against Torture, to which the US is a signatory, is explicit: "Threat of imminent death" is the third form of torture it outlaws. There are reams of studies showing it can traumatise a person for life.

Yet the Republican Party has rallied to the defence of this torturer, and of torture in general. The Bush administration has ordered the simulated drowning of "high-value" suspects, and set up secret black ops sites across the world where it is practiced. After Afghan detainees were hanged from the ceiling and beaten to death, the officers responsible were merely given a "letter of reprimand".

West's "toughness" is fawned over; one leading conservative magazine has even named him its Man of the Year. And Sarah Palin, the Party's darling, mocks Barack Obama's opposition to torture. She complains: "Al-Qaida terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America [and] he's worried that someone won't read them their rights." Palin is fond of saying that she "won't blink when it comes to terror", but if you don't blink, your corneas dry out, and you go blind.

At first, the rise of John McCain looked like a repudiation of torture. McCain was tortured by the Viet Cong for three years, and the beatings were so vicious that even today he can't raise his arms to brush his own hair. For a time, he was a loud, proud opponent of torture – but then he caved. In February 2008, he voted to allow the CIA to be excluded from the ban on torture – when he knows the CIA who are the prime American torturers today.

Then, when the Supreme Court ruled that Guantanamo detainees have basic habeas corpus rights, McCain called it "one of the worst decisions in the history of the country." If McCain will compromise on this, he will compromise on anything. He has tried to flip-flop back, saying he would ban torture after all, but if he tried now, he would face mass rebellion from his own party and Vice-President. It is unthinkable he would permit war crimes tribunals of the Party colleagues who ordered this torture.

The advocates of torture love to wheel out the ticking bomb scenario served up every week on 24. But think about what it requires. You have to (a) be certain you have captured a bomber in the very brief window between him planting a bomb and it blowing up, yet (b) have no idea where the bomb is. This has never happened, anywhere in the world, ever.

No: what happens in reality is Yehiya Hamoodi. You get a man you kinda-sorta suspect; you torture him; and you get junk intelligence leading you up wrong paths. What would you confess to if I put a gun to your head and started counting down from five?

Once you start to torture it doesn't just stay in the neat mind-experiments favoured by philosophers. After the Israeli supreme court approved torture in very limited circumstances, soldiers were soon torturing two thirds of the Palestinians they held captive. Professor David Luban explains: "Escalation is the rule, not the aberration. Abu Ghraib is the fully predictable image of what a torture culture looks like."

There are no recorded instances of getting useable intelligence from torture – but even if in some freak instance after you have tortured a thousand Yahiyas you finally did, would it outweigh the damage of handing al Qaeda a thousand new recruits, vindicating Bin Laden's hate-talk and breaching the most basic moral codes?

The gap between the Republican and Democratic Parties is too narrow, but on this issue it is hefty. The Republicans have curdled into the Party of Torture, bullying their torture-victim nominee into backing their barbarism, and proudly picking a torturer as their candidate for Congress. That sound of screaming from inside the Palin-drome isn't just from fawning Republicans – it's from men like Yehiya.


Motels, could you also include any articles about the 500,000 Kurds Saddam brutalized, raped, electrocuted & murdered, just to show you are fair & balanced?  Thank you for your continued support.
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Re: Krauthammer Says Obama "Likely" to be Presiden
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Nasty Habits wrote on Oct 29th, 2008 at 10:33am:
SweetVirginia wrote on Oct 29th, 2008 at 10:20am:
Doggy, I love you, and I've stayed away from this thread, but you just hit on my exact issue with Obama. I don't think he DOES "know what he doesn't know".

I see arrogance and inexperience in equal parts in the man. This is a combination I find incredibly dangerous in any situation, but especially in the leader of the free world.

And he has not shown me that he has the ability to surround himself with capable people of good intention. Not at all.

I can't vote for this guy. (And by the way, my vote does not count because it will be placed in NY, where Barry leads by 31 points in the polls....a state which was always, without a doubt going Democrat.)

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Good post.

From my perspective, I can't vote for McCain '08 because of the people he's surrounded himself with either.  I also see very impulsive tendencies that rarely pay off strategically, a disconnect from the modern world that I personally live in, and a remarkable malleability of belief system that bespeaks wind-blown ADD.  

In North Carolina, remarkably, my vote does count, for the first time in aeons, so if the state goes blue, remember, it's all Nasty's fault.


Mine in Ohio just might count too!  And maybe this time, I might actually vote for the winning candidate( I try to forget my mental lapse in 2004 Wink)

Sounds like most of us have trouble with these two candidates. Grin  
I simply am voting for the one that I think will better represent the USA in an intelligent manner, who has the potential to get the Congress to work together to make the changes this country needs, and who will surround himself with other highly intelligent men for his "think tank."


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Reply #803 - Oct 29th, 2008 at 11:10am
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PartyDoll MEG wrote on Oct 29th, 2008 at 11:06am:
Nasty Habits wrote on Oct 29th, 2008 at 10:33am:
SweetVirginia wrote on Oct 29th, 2008 at 10:20am:
Doggy, I love you, and I've stayed away from this thread, but you just hit on my exact issue with Obama. I don't think he DOES "know what he doesn't know".

I see arrogance and inexperience in equal parts in the man. This is a combination I find incredibly dangerous in any situation, but especially in the leader of the free world.

And he has not shown me that he has the ability to surround himself with capable people of good intention. Not at all.

I can't vote for this guy. (And by the way, my vote does not count because it will be placed in NY, where Barry leads by 31 points in the polls....a state which was always, without a doubt going Democrat.)

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Good post.

From my perspective, I can't vote for McCain '08 because of the people he's surrounded himself with either.  I also see very impulsive tendencies that rarely pay off strategically, a disconnect from the modern world that I personally live in, and a remarkable malleability of belief system that bespeaks wind-blown ADD.  

In North Carolina, remarkably, my vote does count, for the first time in aeons, so if the state goes blue, remember, it's all Nasty's fault.


Mine in Ohio just might count too!  And maybe this time, I might actually vote for the winning candidate( I try to forget my mental lapse in 2004 Wink)

Sounds like most of us have trouble with these two candidates. Grin  
I simply am voting for the one that I think will better represent the USA in an intelligent manner, who has the potential to get the Congress to work together to make the changes this country needs, and who will surround himself with other highly intelligent men for his "think tank."



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>Motels, could you also include any articles about the 500,000 Kurds Saddam brutalized, raped, electrocuted & murdered, just to show you are fair & balanced?  Thank you for your continued support. <

Sure. It might take a little time googling around though.
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If only Lieberman was there to help McCain with his "senior moment"!  Grin

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This show and Tina Fey have kept some levity in this very long long election year!! Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?
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Oh I wouldn't be busting out any bottles of champagne for an Obama victory just yet. McCain has been speaking with a creepy certitude that he knows he will win next week. Bush had that same certitude in 2000 and 2004. The only thing I am certain of is  that election machine "problems" and vote spoilage will happen more often in districts that lean Democratic. Perhaps there will be another DHS/FBI  emergency and lockdown of a the building where votes are being counted a la Warren County, OH 2004.
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Reply #808 - Oct 29th, 2008 at 11:21am
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I lied, I'm not that busy today.  So here is No. 8 on the Bush Geek humiliation list.

No. 8:  Is George Walker Bush III really an idiot - a human being with significantly low intelligence?  Of course he is.  The answer is "fuck yes" and I can prove it.

He has at least three obvious and significant cognitive, mental, and learning disabilities, each glaringly evident from the day he showed up on the national political scene:  

(1) He routinely can't form basic English sentences.  That's not some cute quirk, or some maverick characteristic that defines him.  He's an Eastern prep school and Ivy league educated adult from a wealthy family, who's had more opportunities handed to him than everyone on this board combined.  The fact that he often can't even speak his native tongue at a level even his fellow retards can understand means that he's a idiot.  An almost inability to convey basic meaning through common discourse - and the more nonlinear the issue, the more impossible for him.  Diagnosis: dumb.

(2) When he's not a stupified moron during real crisis (see, e.g., his absurd reactions on 9/11 - WTF?), he's an impulsive, attention deficit disorder idiot.  For example, look at this socialist and nationalization financial scheme he decided to embark on recently - at BEST, that dope freaked out on rumors of "total economic collapse" (and his reaction would be bad enough EVEN if that were the case), but much more likely he was told long ago that credit markets were getting tight and the recession we were in was going to get relatively worse for a certain period as a result.  Yet he STILL, over a freakin' weekend, went bananas and nationalized the mortgage industry and THEN went off on an even more maniacal government spending spree the likes of which we will NEVER see again from ANY president EVER.  Then he went back to watch TV or whatever he does all day (by insider accounts, its very little).  Does ANYONE here truly have any confidence whatsoever that these complex and important issues were analyzed in any way whatsoever approaching even basic competence?  Does ANYONE truly have any confidence at all that a retard like George Walker Bush III was "on top of it" like he said?  Its a fucking joke, and you're a fucking joke if you buy it - that retard threw a spastic fit with trillions of taxpayer dollars in a matter of minutes, absolutely clueless as to what he had just done.  Those are the actions of an undeniably dumb human being.

(3) Segmented thinking.  This is where he possibly treads into actual mental retardation.  To George Walker Bush III, connecting the dot - singular - is the goal and the accomplishment, and the time to move on.  His complete inability to understand how one decision can affect another or how there can be even a few competing forces in any problem forces/allows him to completely separate in his mind (and apparently in the minds of Bush Geeks as well) related issues like government spending and government revenue, free markets and government control, attacking terrorists and pardoning terrorists, and even the lip service he pays to the culture war issues he ran on last time - does anyone really know if this idiot thinks Roe v. Wade should be overturned or not?  He sure the fuck doesn't.

Is it his fault he's an idiot?  Probably not.  We are all born with, and therefore stuck with or grateful for, our intelligence and it doesn't change much no matter what your circumstances growing up.  And despite his opportunities to learn how to think, George Walker Bush III was born into a ridiculous, preferential life with minimum demands or accountability from which to learn anything.  Nature and nurture having thus so conspired, America was delivered a brain of mush.

The place where fault lies is with America and why we collectively allowed an obvious idiot to have this much decision making power AND to allow him to exercise it for years almost completely unchecked.  Its something to think about, even if you are a Bush Geek.
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Oh I wouldn't be busting out any bottles of champagne for an Obama victory just yet. McCain has been speaking with a creepy certitude that he knows he will win next week. Bush had that same certitude in 2000 and 2004. The only thing I am certain of is  that election machine "problems" and vote spoilage will happen more often in districts that lean Democratic. Perhaps there will be another DHS/FBI  emergency and lockdown of a the building where votes are being counted a la Warren County, OH 2004.


McCainiacs can take heart. The strategy might still work. Keep stirring up the rubes into a frenzy with lies about how President Obammy is going to redistribute Joe the Plummer's food pellets to Slappy the Negro, jack up the polls to within 4 % and let Diebold handle the rest. Plausible deniability.

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monkey_man wrote on Oct 29th, 2008 at 11:21am:
Oh I wouldn't be busting out any bottles of champagne for an Obama victory just yet. McCain has been speaking with a creepy certitude that he knows he will win next week. Bush had that same certitude in 2000 and 2004. The only thing I am certain of is  that election machine "problems" and vote spoilage will happen more often in districts that lean Democratic. Perhaps there will be another DHS/FBI  emergency and lockdown of a the building where votes are being counted a la Warren County, OH 2004.


McCainiacs can take heart. The strategy might still work. Keep stirring up the rubes into a frenzy with lies about how President Obammy is going to redistribute Joe the Plummer's food pellets to Slappy the Negro, jack up the polls to within 4 % and let Diebold handle the rest. Plausible deniability.



Laying the groundwork now I see for the RACE RIOTS should McCain pull this out.
Predictable.

Couldn't POSSIBLY be that some of us actually think Sen McCain would be the better leader.

Insulting.

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Ten Thousand Motels wrote on Oct 29th, 2008 at 10:57am:
Johann Hari: The Republicans' dirty secret... torture

Allen West oversaw the brutal treatment of an Iraqi. Now he is running for Congress

Tuesday, 28 October 2008
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So what will be left of the Republican Party after next week's US election? The answer lies in the sands of Florida, where the sunshine-state Republicans have nominated an unrepentant torturer as their candidate for Congress. They view his readiness to torture an innocent Iraqi not as a source of shame, but as his prime qualification for office. This is American conservatism in the dying days of Bush – and it points out the direction that Sarah Palin would like to take it in 2012.

In August 2003, Colonel Allen West – commanding a US unit in Baghdad – heard a rumour that one of the Iraqi policeman he was working with was a secret insurgent. He ordered his officers to go and seize Yehiya Hamoodi, a thin, bespectacled 31-year-old, from his home. They dragged him into a Humvee, beat him, and then handcuffed, shackled and blindfolded him. In a dank interrogation room, they told him he had better start talking.

Perplexed and terrified, Yehiya explained he didn't know what they were talking about: why was he here? So West was called in. He told Yehiya he was going to be killed. While his men beat him again, he explained he had one last chance to save his life – by talking.

Yehiya protested: I am innocent! What are you talking about? So West took him outside, had him pinned down, and began to shoot. First he fired into the air. Then he ordered his men to ram Yehiya's head into a barrel used for cleaning weapons – and fired right next to his head. Then he began to count down from five. Finally Yehiya began to scream out names – any name he could think of, just to make it stop.

The men he named were seized and roughed up in turn. No evidence was found of any plot, and after another 45 days of terror, Yehiya was released. Today, he is severely traumatised, and collapses when he sees a Humvee approaching. The story only came to light after one of West's soldiers began to protest against these practices, and the Pentagon launched an investigation. At a pre-trial hearing, West was fined $5,000, and now concedes grudgingly: "It's possible I was wrong about Mr Hamoodi." But he says he would do it again, and again, and again.

West has even taken to joking about it, gaining applause for telling Republican audiences: "It wasn't torture. Seeing Rosie O'Donnell naked would be torture." But the 1994 Convention Against Torture, to which the US is a signatory, is explicit: "Threat of imminent death" is the third form of torture it outlaws. There are reams of studies showing it can traumatise a person for life.

Yet the Republican Party has rallied to the defence of this torturer, and of torture in general. The Bush administration has ordered the simulated drowning of "high-value" suspects, and set up secret black ops sites across the world where it is practiced. After Afghan detainees were hanged from the ceiling and beaten to death, the officers responsible were merely given a "letter of reprimand".

West's "toughness" is fawned over; one leading conservative magazine has even named him its Man of the Year. And Sarah Palin, the Party's darling, mocks Barack Obama's opposition to torture. She complains: "Al-Qaida terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America [and] he's worried that someone won't read them their rights." Palin is fond of saying that she "won't blink when it comes to terror", but if you don't blink, your corneas dry out, and you go blind.

At first, the rise of John McCain looked like a repudiation of torture. McCain was tortured by the Viet Cong for three years, and the beatings were so vicious that even today he can't raise his arms to brush his own hair. For a time, he was a loud, proud opponent of torture – but then he caved. In February 2008, he voted to allow the CIA to be excluded from the ban on torture – when he knows the CIA who are the prime American torturers today.

Then, when the Supreme Court ruled that Guantanamo detainees have basic habeas corpus rights, McCain called it "one of the worst decisions in the history of the country." If McCain will compromise on this, he will compromise on anything. He has tried to flip-flop back, saying he would ban torture after all, but if he tried now, he would face mass rebellion from his own party and Vice-President. It is unthinkable he would permit war crimes tribunals of the Party colleagues who ordered this torture.

The advocates of torture love to wheel out the ticking bomb scenario served up every week on 24. But think about what it requires. You have to (a) be certain you have captured a bomber in the very brief window between him planting a bomb and it blowing up, yet (b) have no idea where the bomb is. This has never happened, anywhere in the world, ever.

No: what happens in reality is Yehiya Hamoodi. You get a man you kinda-sorta suspect; you torture him; and you get junk intelligence leading you up wrong paths. What would you confess to if I put a gun to your head and started counting down from five?

Once you start to torture it doesn't just stay in the neat mind-experiments favoured by philosophers. After the Israeli supreme court approved torture in very limited circumstances, soldiers were soon torturing two thirds of the Palestinians they held captive. Professor David Luban explains: "Escalation is the rule, not the aberration. Abu Ghraib is the fully predictable image of what a torture culture looks like."

There are no recorded instances of getting useable intelligence from torture – but even if in some freak instance after you have tortured a thousand Yahiyas you finally did, would it outweigh the damage of handing al Qaeda a thousand new recruits, vindicating Bin Laden's hate-talk and breaching the most basic moral codes?

The gap between the Republican and Democratic Parties is too narrow, but on this issue it is hefty. The Republicans have curdled into the Party of Torture, bullying their torture-victim nominee into backing their barbarism, and proudly picking a torturer as their candidate for Congress. That sound of screaming from inside the Palin-drome isn't just from fawning Republicans – it's from men like Yehiya.


Motels, could you also include any articles about the 500,000 Kurds Saddam brutalized, raped, electrocuted & murdered, just to show you are fair & balanced?  Thank you for your continued support.

Can anyone remember back when Americans weren't looking for mere moral equivalence with crazed dictators, but actually held ourselves to a higher standard?  You know, quaint (Atty. Gen. "Gonzo" Gonzales's term) anachronisms like the Geneva Conventions?  Oh well, I guess that's just "pre-9/11" thinking.
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Actually LJ I think an Obama victory if far more likely to produce race riots. The white supremists in this country are far likelier to be spun out over an Obama victory. If creepy fuckers like these guys; http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article... , succeed in any of their sick plots, race riots will be guaranteed. I think if McCain pulls out a victory after polling 6-8 points behind Obama, we will see civil unrest like this country hasn't seen since the 60's. I think the unrest will be a broad based, with people brought together by economic conditions rather than by race. Just my 2 cents.
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Reply #815 - Oct 29th, 2008 at 12:05pm
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monkey_man wrote on Oct 29th, 2008 at 12:00pm:
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Laying the groundwork now I see for the RACE RIOTS should McCain pull this out.
LJ.


Actually LJ I think an Obama victory if far more likely to produce race riots. The white supremists in this country are far likelier to be spun out over an Obama victory. If creepy fuckers like these guys; http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article... , succeed in any of their sick plots, race riots will be guaranteed. I think if McCain pulls out a victory after polling 6-8 points behind Obama, we will see civil unrest like this country hasn't seen since the 60's. I think the unrest will be a broad based, with people brought together by economic conditions rather than by race. Just my 2 cents.
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A very ugly time.
It is sad.
Once again, we look like total idiots to the rest of the world.

This election has drained me emotionally.

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Reply #817 - Oct 29th, 2008 at 12:14pm
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The saddest thing for me is the wasteful amount of money spent on advertising and campaigning by candidates. That money could be spend on programs that the candidates support. All it does is pump up the media companies' bottom line and does nothing for the country. Obama is doing a 30 minute infomercial tonight. . . WTF!!! What a fucking waste of money that could be better spent helping people that actually need it.
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Reply #818 - Oct 29th, 2008 at 12:21pm
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Like this one, P!!  Smiley

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Reply #819 - Oct 29th, 2008 at 12:22pm
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monkey_man wrote on Oct 29th, 2008 at 12:14pm:
The saddest thing for me is the wasteful amount of money spent on advertising and campaigning by candidates. That money could be spend on programs that the candidates support. All it does is pump up the media companies' bottom line and does nothing for the country. Obama is doing a 30 minute infomercial tonight. . . WTF!!! What a fucking waste of money that could be better spent helping people that actually need it.


Agreed, 110% m_m!!

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The crazy motherfucker ranting on the street corner about the end of the world might have good points but if he has drool coming out the side of his mouth and is holding up a bedsheet with an image of Mary Magdalene's face that was formed when he pissed himself that night, then no one is really gonna take him seriously.



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Reply #821 - Oct 29th, 2008 at 12:22pm
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A waste of money indeed, MM.

And the smug arrogance it takes to purchase 30 minutes on 3 networks to give what amounts to an inaugural address almost a week before the election is an example of that "arrogance+inexperience=trouble" thing I was talking about.
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Reply #822 - Oct 29th, 2008 at 12:27pm
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SweetVirginia wrote on Oct 29th, 2008 at 12:22pm:
A waste of money indeed, MM.

And the smug arrogance it takes to purchase 30 minutes on 3 networks to give what amounts to an inaugural address almost a week before the election is an example of that "arrogance+inexperience=trouble" thing I was talking about.


i'm not so convinced it's arrogance.

the guy is swimming in campaign loot...he's gotta spend it on something.

ross perot did it too!
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Reply #823 - Oct 29th, 2008 at 12:30pm
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SweetVirginia wrote on Oct 29th, 2008 at 12:22pm:
A waste of money indeed, MM.

And the smug arrogance it takes to purchase 30 minutes on 3 networks to give what amounts to an inaugural address almost a week before the election is an example of that "arrogance+inexperience=trouble" thing I was talking about.



What took you so long to post here???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And it's 5 networks..NBC, ABC, CBS, BET, UNI

Like he needs BET?? I mean come on. He's leading, what 99 to 1 among Black Voters? Take that million dollars and donate it to the NAACP.

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Re: Krauthammer Says Obama "Likely" to be Presiden
Reply #824 - Oct 29th, 2008 at 12:35pm
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Starbuck wrote on Oct 29th, 2008 at 12:27pm:
SweetVirginia wrote on Oct 29th, 2008 at 12:22pm:
A waste of money indeed, MM.

And the smug arrogance it takes to purchase 30 minutes on 3 networks to give what amounts to an inaugural address almost a week before the election is an example of that "arrogance+inexperience=trouble" thing I was talking about.


i'm not so convinced it's arrogance.

the guy is swimming in campaign loot...he's gotta spend it on something.

ross perot did it too!

LMAO!!

At least he KNOWS how to speak and I can actually listen to what he has to say.....
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