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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #7610 - Sep 21st, 2009 at 6:58pm
Riffhard wrote on Sep 21 st, 2009 at 6:12pm: Pdog wrote on Sep 21 st, 2009 at 8:01am: Riffhard wrote on Sep 20 th, 2009 at 8:34pm: Pdog wrote on Sep 20 th, 2009 at 7:35pm: Riffhard wrote on Sep 20 th, 2009 at 2:18pm: Huh, Pdog you may want to check your sources my man. Here. This is directly from the website that I linked to, and yes, those numbers are FACTS!!!! * Sucks to be on the losing end of a lame assed liberal/statist argument, but there you have it. You're wrong. You believe the government is the end all be all of all things good and proper. The fact that history has proven over and over again ad naseum that you are flat wrong. Not only are you wrong, but you are horribly wrong. The data that I provided can not be argued by anyone that is intellectually honest as they are facts. You, and your cohorts, are never, and will never, be even close to intellectually honset. Never! *The National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) is a nonprofit, nonpartisan public policy research organization, established in 1983. The NCPA's goal is to develop and promote private alternatives to government regulation and control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive, entrepreneurial private sector. Topics include reforms in health care, taxes, Social Security, welfare, criminal justice, education and environmental regulation. Riffy Do you know what a conservative think tank is? Do you know what a liberal think tanks is... They focus on conservative issues... you may be confused by semantics... you can be conservative, and call yourself non-partisan... Republican would be partisan, conservative it not a political party... I know words are sometimes interchangeable, but in this case they aren't. I'm not a democrat, you can say i'm a liberal, so by defintion, I'm able to be non-partisan in politics... keep up homey... You saying, and copying and pasting what they describe themselves is is not lie, I didn't say it was, I also clearly told you, that I beleive their facts, I just think they cherry picked a few. Now, how about you do some real, research, and not your conservative think tank copy and paste. How about you tell me how the USA compares to the top 10 countries who provide the best healthcare, universally... can you do that? I already know you can't and won't... it would require real research on intelectual thought... shut up, you're a liar!!! you just lied in your response to me, by bulding this fake argument.... your hostility is fucking boring too! do you have a real debate... or just going to tell me how bad Canada is regarding boobs? The only hostility on display here lately is coming from you Pdog so spare me the lecture on board manners. Now as to the partisanship of the site that I linked. Well, as BJ pointed out, there is clearly some bias for the conservative position on the website that I cited. I will cop to that misrepresentation-unintentional though it was. However there is no link between the NCPA and the RNC. So I should have just noted that the site was non-partisan. You're attack of the site though is a very clever way of ignoring the facts that are sourced in my post. The facts are indisputable, and irrefutable regardless of where they come from. They are based on actual numbers in the real world. I guess that you consider a boob job in Canada to be equivalent to the cancer survival rate of the Western world, but most fair minded non-partisan types see a huge difference. How else do you explain independants and moderates fleeing from the Obama health care position? Obama, and the Democrats, are now in a position to take over a full one fifth of the economy, and people like you just cheer them on without even looking at facts, evidence, and current data that prove beyond any doubt just how damaging that will be to our way of life and our individual unalienable rights. You don't care! Your statist agenda is perfectly clear. If you have to you will attack the messenger of dissent. "Trust in Obama! All must trust in Obama!!! Oh, and by the way, I'm not a member of any political party so I'm non partisan! Just shut the hell up and hand over 20% of the entire US economy and free market to the same band of idiots that busted Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and every other institution that the people were gullible enough to trust them with! Hello Fannie and Freddie! We must do it now!! If you don't trust Obama that only proves that you are a racist!!!" I present you with facts, and you present that kind of asinine rebuttal. Riffy Blah, Blah, blah,..... They do not seek healthcare solutions through free markets, they spend millions to refute Michaels Moore's movie Sicko. blah, blah, blah..... There you go Pdog. You made the claim that conservatives, and by extension Republicans, do not seek free market solutions for health care. I mean you did type that, right? I simply pointed out that that argument is false. Oh, and I believe that if you were to peruse the last few pages of this thread you will find that I have tried to avoid calling you names. I get exasperated by your circular logic sometimes, but I certainly have been trying to be more civil towards you. I'm sorry that you haven't noticed. I have certainly noticed that you have ratched up your anger though. My anger is actually waning. JC? Well, that's another story all together. Riffy I see how you got that now, but you might not have gotten the sarcasm, that was based on your use of data ect from the conservative think tank... I didn't in my sarcasm, say Conservatives and by ext. Republicans do not seek anything, especially free market soltions. It's the opposite, isn't it... Health Ins. is free market, and the Obama plan is an alternative... I'll concede this, I can't even begin to discuss the many apects of free market capitlism, we're not talking anything simple by any stretch, and even the experts, are not really experts!
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