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Question: What item is most likely found in the top drawer of Riffy's dresser?

naked pictures of Reagan    
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Barry O voodoo doll    
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Hoffa's body    
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DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
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JC's boss's phone number    
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bucket of chicken    
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three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
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"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
  4 (16.0%)




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Reply #7550 - Sep 19th, 2009 at 12:57pm
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jostorm wrote on Sep 19th, 2009 at 6:55am:
Brainbell Jangler wrote on Sep 18th, 2009 at 11:06pm:
Riffhard wrote on Sep 18th, 2009 at 10:06pm:
fuman wrote on Sep 18th, 2009 at 9:29pm:
A strong public option in health care is such a smart thing to do, and the only arguments against are:

1 too much money
2 too much Fed control

Everything else is crap, but if enough people eat the crap, you get what we're seeing nightly on to drop you after you've made your payments, all in the name of profits (to not agree with that single point as a priority is shameful). It took OBAMA to force this agenda. No f-ing Repub administration made this their priority.

Health care reform is for EVERYBODY. When was the last time that opportunity came around?

Government is going to continue to spend, no matter who is in the White House. Always. Even the "Conservatives". For them it was taxation fairness. But I don't believe that moving that much wealth to the top is ever going to help the masses. And after decades of trying the GOP agenda has brought us here. In 2 wars, deep in debt, rising unemployment, thousands of families moving to tent cities. The GOP doesn't want the Dems to get credit for successfully creating the most moral public policy since the sixties.

To enact a fairness law into health care is GOLD.
To include a strong public option is PLATINUM.

Did I mention that this is all because of DEMOCRATS. I can't believe anybody is against this, unless you're super rich or a major league dreamer (Joe the Plum) that prefers to vote against his current interests, so IF he ever gets rich he can benefit THEN.
That's what I call HOPE. I wonder if he ever considered where his children will be in 20 or thirty years. Guess there's always the ER.


I'll tell you what funman you find one country that has government run health care that provides better health care than the United States and we'll talk.

Please enlighten me here funman, name one government run organization that is doing better than it's counterpart in the private sector. Just one. I'll wait.

Riffy

For your first challenge, I present not one, not ten, but THIRTY-SIX countries with "government-run" health care as that term is used by American reactionaries:
1. France
2. Italy
3. San Marino
4. Andorra
5. Malta
6. Singapore
7. Spain
8. Oman
9. Austria
10. Japan
11. Norway
12. Portugal
13. Monaco
14. Greece
15. Iceland
16. Luxembourg
17. Netherlands
18. United Kingdom
19. Ireland
20. Switzerland
21. Belgium
22. Colombia
23. Sweden
24. Cyprus
25. Germany
26. Saudi Arabia
27. United Arab Emirates
28. Israel
29. Morocco
30. Canada
31. Finland
32. Australia
33. Chile
34. Denmark
35. Dominica
36. Costa Rica

Note to our international brethren:  If you did not see your country on the list--that is, if your health care system actually is worse than ours--please give a shoutout.  It will cheer Riffy up.

Now for challenge number two:  I refer you back to the Nick Kristoff column I posted a few days ago.  It hearkened back to a time when urban firefighting was generally private.  As Kristoff observes, there are some tasks government does better than the private sector:  road building, firefighting, policing, education and health care.  In all other advanced nations, government performs or controls all of these functions; in the U.S., we make an exception for health care, which explains why we pay twice as much as anyone else for #37 results.


Excuse me for butting in, but I have a question: is this list in a specific order related to the quality of the health service??? I'm only asking because I find it difficult to believe that Denmark would be so far down the list on performance alone...No doubt these lists are delivered in some sort of statistical order, it would be interesting to know which. Thanks

These rankings are issued by the United Nations World Health Organization.  The list I posted is "overall health system performance."  There are other rankings:
http://www.photius.com/rankings/world_health_performance_ranks.html
I notice that on the scale for "distribution" of health services, Denmark is #4.
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Reply #7551 - Sep 19th, 2009 at 2:35pm
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THE SCOURGE PERSISTS
by Bob Herbert (New York Times)

Did we really need Jimmy Carter to tell us that racism is one of the driving forces behind the relentless and often scurrilous attacks on President Obama?  We didn't know that?  As John McEnroe might say, "You can't be serious."

"There is an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president," said Mr. Carter.  I guess he was aiming his remarks at those who contended when Mr. Obama was elected that we had achieved some Pollyannaish postracial society.  But it's hard to imagine, after all the madness and vitriol of the past few months, that anyone still believes that.

For many white Americans, Barack Obama is nothing more than that black guy in the White House, and they want him out of there.  (Mr. Carter knows a little something about kowtowing to that crowd.  During his presidential campaign in 1976, he blithely let it be known that he had no problem with residents "trying to maintain the ethnic purity of their neighborhoods," and he tossed around ugly terms like "black intrusion" and "alien groups."  He later apologized.)

More than three decades later we have Sherri Goforth, an aide to a Republican state senator in Tennessee sending out a mass email of a cartoon showing dignified portraits of the first 43 presidents, and then representing the 44th--President Obama--as a spook, a cartoonish pair of white eyes against a black background.

When a gorilla escaped from a zoo in Columbia, S.C., a longtime Republican activist, Rusty DePass, described it on his Facebook page as one of Michelle Obama's ancestors.

Among the posters at last weekend's gathering of conservative protesters in Washington was one that said, "The zoo has an African lion and the White House has a lyin' African."

These are bits and pieces of an increasingly unrestrained manifestation of racism directed toward Mr. Obama that is being fed by hatemongers on talk radio and is widely tolerated, if not encouraged, by Republican Party leaders.  It's disgusting, and it's dangerous.  But it's the same old filthy racism that has been there all along and that has been exploited by the G.O.P. since the 1960s.

I have no patience with those who want to pretend that racism is not an out-and-out big deal in the United States, as it always has been.  We have made progress, and we may have a black president, but the scourge is still with us.  And if you needed Jimmy Carter to remind you of that, then you've been wandering around with your eyes closed.

Glenn Beck, one of the moronic maestros of right-wing radio and TV, assures us that President Obama "has a deep-seated hatred for white people."  Some years ago, as the watchdog group Media Matters for America points out on its Web site, Beck said he'd like to beat Representative Charles Rangel "to death with a shovel."

There is nothing new about this racist rhetoric.  Back in the 1970s Rush Limbaugh told a black caller:  "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back."

But the fact that a black man is now in the White House has so unsettled much of white America that the lid is coming off the racism that had been simmering at dangerously high temperatures all along.  Eric Boehlert, a senior fellow with Media Matters, said, "If someone had told me in February that there would be mainstream allegations that Obama was a racist and a fascist and a communist and a Nazi, I wouldn't have believed it."

Republicans have been openly feeding off of race hatred since the days of Dick Nixon.  Today's conservative activists are carrying that banner proudly.  What does anybody think is going on when, as Anderson Cooper pointed out on CNN, one of the leaders of the so-called tea party movement, Mark Williams, refers to the president of the United States as an Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug, and a racist in chief.

After all there years of race-baiting and stirring the pot of hatred for political gain, it's too much to ask the leaders of the Republican Party to step forward and denounce this spreading stain of reprehensible conduct.  Republicans are trying to ride that dependable steed of bigotry back to power.

But it's time for other Americans, of whatever persuasion, to take a stand, to say we're better than this.  They should do it because it's right.  But also because we've seen so many times what can happen when this garbage gets out of control.

Think about the Oklahoma City bombing, and the assassinations of King and the Kennedys.  On Nov. 22, 1963, as they were preparing to fly to Dallas, a hotbed of political insanity, President Kennedy said to Mrs. Kennedy, "We're heading into nut country today."
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Reply #7552 - Sep 19th, 2009 at 3:01pm
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Riffhard wrote on Jul 21st, 2009 at 6:08pm:
If anyone thinks that Obama is the same as Bush you're being delusional! There is no way in hell that any Republican would be spending the way that Barry is spending. The agenda that Barry has foisted upon this country is designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Socialism. Bush spent like a drunken sailor to be sure, but Barry is spending like a drunken sailor with daddy's money. And by daddy's money I, of course, I mean our money.

Obama wants to "change" the entire economic system that has made the USA the most prosperous nation on earth. He's a Marxist. That ain't hyperbole either. That's fact.


Riffy


Riffhard wrote on Jul 21st, 2009 at 6:41pm:
Anyone that thinks that Obama is not a Marxist then I'd highly reccomend that you read this link. Sam Webb is the National Chair for The Communist Party USA. Why not take the time to see what he thinks of Obama. Here's a hint. He loves him! And why wouldn't he afterall? They are of one mind when it comes to Marxism.

Here--->http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/07/obama_and_the_cpusa.html



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which is it Riffy? socialist or communist?
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Reply #7553 - Sep 19th, 2009 at 3:08pm
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Riffhard wrote on Jul 19th, 2009 at 2:05pm:
He has not produced a "long form certificate of live birth". The certificate that funman has copy and pasted is a "short form", and is not an original document. Every other US president has produced this document. Again it's important to remember his own father claimed that Bary was born in Kenya. Not to mention the fact the hospital will not produce anything that resembles a long form certificate.


All I know is that even Lou Dobbs is starting to question his legal status. I'm not convinced of either position, but one thing is for sure Barry could end all speculation by producing the official long form certificate. For some reason he is refusing to do so.




Riffy


what happened to this Riffy... just wondering, your friends in DC last weekend still question whether Obama is an american?
Riffy,
Let me ask, have you ever seen any other president's birth certificate? Any other certifications of birth at all? Bush Sr., W. Bush, Clinton, Carter, etc.. Did anyone ever get a glimpse? Why wasn't there a crusade against these men to release their information for the world to witness? Where were the "experts" to "examine" their birth certificates? Couldn't they just as easily have lied? You cliam they all have produced these, but, have they...
  Is it safe to say you were wrong?
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Reply #7554 - Sep 19th, 2009 at 3:11pm
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Riffhard wrote on Jul 20th, 2009 at 7:00am:
He is also an avowed socialist/Marxist. Of that there can be absolutely no doubt! He's also intentionally destroying this economy. That's right he's doing it on purpose and for a purpose!

First the cocksucker claims that we are in the worst recession since the Great Depression. That is a blatant lie, and only the most ignorant of drones believes it. In other words people like yourself. The economy was in much worse shape when Reagan took office after the failure of another idiot liberal named Jimmy Carter.
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Who was the idiot president who left us with a great economy? Clinton or Bush?

Riffy is being quoted because he is a droneboy who lies!!!
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Reply #7555 - Sep 19th, 2009 at 3:13pm
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Riffhard wrote on Jul 16th, 2009 at 6:07pm:
We'll know if JC is Flea if he is dating a fat girl. So, JC are ya dating a lard ass?


My guess is-yes!


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Nothing personal there!!! This from a guy who hates being called names!
Riffy, you're a racist! Does it hurt to be called a name?
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Reply #7556 - Sep 19th, 2009 at 3:17pm
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Riffhard wrote on Jul 15th, 2009 at 3:58pm:
You want an honest intellectual debate? I could give that to both of you morons in a New York second. I could discuss the issues in depth, and at great length. I just haven't the desire nor the patience to get into the details of Obama's assault on the US Constitution. I haven't the desire to get down in the mud with you idiots about his total disregard of federalism, and his blatant disregard of the 10th Amendment. I could school you two idiots, but I haven't the time to try and educate someone who brings zero intellectual honesty to any debate worth having.

Plus, I'd much rather just say-go fuck yourselves!


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If you can't be bothered, why do you post 1,340 posts, and maybe 40 of them weren't political, and dare we say... droning on and on....?
You got something to say besides go fuck yourself!!!!
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Reply #7557 - Sep 19th, 2009 at 3:19pm
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Cut it out! Cut it out! Cut it out! The hell's the matter with you? Stupid! We're all very different people. We're not Watusi. We're not Spartans. We're Americans, with a capital 'A', huh? You know what that means? Do ya? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts! Here's proof: his nose is cold! But there's no animal that's more faithful, that's more loyal, more loveable than the mutt. Who saw "Old Yeller?" Who cried when Old Yeller got shot at the end?
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Reply #7558 - Sep 19th, 2009 at 3:20pm
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Nice quote - one of my favorites!

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nankerphelge wrote on Jul 10th, 2009 at 10:11am:
He was the first person I ever met from one of the message boards.
I broke bread with the man.
I knew his politics, but I never judged him based on it.
To have him jump on me and others and say the things he did.

FUCK HIM!



and when he was attacked by Fiji, you said nothing. With friends like you...


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Reply #7560 - Sep 19th, 2009 at 4:10pm
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Pdog wrote on Sep 19th, 2009 at 3:30pm:
nankerphelge wrote on Jul 10th, 2009 at 10:11am:
He was the first person I ever met from one of the message boards.
I broke bread with the man.
I knew his politics, but I never judged him based on it.
To have him jump on me and others and say the things he did.

FUCK HIM!



and when he was attacked by Fiji, you said nothing. With friends like you...



Fiji was a major league asshole.  I had it right when I posted that picture of a diseased sphincter.
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"Give me your tired, your poor,      
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
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Reply #7562 - Sep 19th, 2009 at 4:16pm
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"Give me your tired, your poor,      
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
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Golden door, eh?  Lou Dobbs and Rep. Joe Wilson would prefer to give those huddled masses a golden shower and then show them the door.
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Reply #7563 - Sep 19th, 2009 at 4:22pm
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Brainbell Jangler wrote on Sep 19th, 2009 at 4:16pm:
GotToRollMe wrote on Sep 19th, 2009 at 4:15pm:
 
"Give me your tired, your poor,      
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
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Golden door, eh?  Lou Dobbs and Rep. Joe Wilson would prefer to give those huddled masses a golden shower and then show them the door.



Ha! I needed a good laugh . . .
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Is it just me, or does the guy on the left look a lot like GWB ?

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s209/leepullen/image026.jpgt=1253398126
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Reply #7565 - Sep 19th, 2009 at 6:26pm
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Edith Grove wrote on Sep 19th, 2009 at 5:10pm:
Is it just me, or does the guy on the left look a lot like GWB ?

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s209/leepullen/image026.jpgt=1253398126

It's not just you; a striking resemblance.
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Focus on the Family calls Krugman evil media Leftist #1

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/19/784346/-Focus-on-the-Family-calls-Krugma...

In a new edition of their "Citizen" magazine, the Christian-Right organization "Focus on the Family" has identified "Obama's Fan Club."  According to the subtitle of the article, these are the media folks who are droolingly in love with the President and support him in their reports and columns. 

Somehow Paul Krugman is number one on the list. 

I wonder if anyone over at FoF has even bothered to READ Krugman's articles or books.  We've been through enough Krugmanites v. Obamabots flame wars here to know better.  But the NY Times is an evil liberal commie gossip rag, right?  So they probably haven't bothered to open it up.



I couldn't believe this. WTF are they thinking? This must be a part of their war on intellect.

One has to wonder what their ultimate goal is. The abstinence programs have ALL FAILED, yet they continue to push for them.
This is yet another problem with humans telling us what God wants us to do.

1st century social ideas for the 21st century.
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the war on intelligence.... that definitely started with Bush... lol! priceless!!!
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Brainbell Jangler wrote on Sep 19th, 2009 at 12:57pm:
These rankings are issued by the United Nations World Health Organization.  The list I posted is "overall health system performance."  There are other rankings:
http://www.photius.com/rankings/world_health_performance_ranks.html
I notice that on the scale for "distribution" of health services, Denmark is #4.


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Pdog wrote on Sep 19th, 2009 at 8:05am:
you're correct, and the right will tell you about lobbyists and lawyers or are getting rich with malpractice lawsuits ect. and they are right... now... let's look at another part of the problem you mentioned, insurance. The doctors are spending so much on insurance, the patients are covered by insurance, and billions of doolars are piling up in premiums. So, then the insurance companies have to decide how to spend the money. Their job is to make money, they are just middle men, collecting and paying and keeping as much as they can. They fight to reduce lawsuits and to keep the money  and they try to limit payments for treatment to keep it cheap. The doctors have to over treat to keep from being sued, wasting money and patiets are over treated and in a system that is wasting time and money for unnneeded tests and procedures. Insurance companies are making tons of money, runnig on these great buisiness models... The flaws. They are not making tv's or cars or anything... they are just collecting money and passing it on... and in terms of human health, this business model isn't good... it's good for other stuff. We aren't getting healthy, we are getting sick. Drug companies persue medicines to make us stay sick, create drugs and send reps to docors to push them onto patients. It isn't healthcare it is sickcare... As a country we are getting unhelathy. Look at the pics of the 9-12 protestors... most of them are out of shape sick looking people. You really don't see fit people. Our problems go deep... it's unhealth, money, corruption ect... Real simple... kinda bottom line for me. we've built this class of people, that we are sucking money up out of, and telling them that it is ok, b/c this good and any change to this process will destroy them, basically telling them to accept mediocrity, suffering, hard work with little hope of a better life. Bare minimum disquised as the greatest country in the world, best life and freedom that someone is going to take from you. People are being convinced, that something they don't really have, is going to be taken from them, when the truth is, something better is being offered!!! Lies and fear are powerful tools and weapons, when in the hands of the GOP leaders of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, two men no one in govt. is willing to question the words and  actions of.... Glenn Beck has said, Obama hates white people... not one person in the GOP has told him to shut the fuck up. How many people do you think he freaked out, especially the ones still afraid of blacks who aren't used to equality and live in racial fear? Screw these racists. Their time is over!!! This is our 9/11, if good people do nothing, these ignorant racist meatheads will win. And like Riffy says, we get what we deserve!!! Him and people like him, want us to fail, they fear change of any kind, all progress. To them global warming is just gods way of brinnig on the end of days.
Riify is a liar and a racist supporter. He has never denounced the leaders of the GOP, Beck and Limbaugh who espouse racism all the time! He associates with these people, and in his own words.... he must be like them.
Ayers, Wright, Alinsky ect... all friends of Obama... trickle, trickle!!!


I agree with every word regarding your countrie's health issues, pdog. May Obama succeed in establishing a health system that is efficient for all Americans, regardless of their bank balance OR skin colour!
The only and also the biggest  flaw that I see is that it is (and I'm only assuming here, I am not a lawyer!) very difficult to back-pedal when it comes to the law. All that system of "no-win-no-fee-law" that was initially introduced for the "little man" to be able to sue big corporations, also  created your ambulance-chasing lawyers and generated a mentality where every American always feels he should explore the possibilities of becoming rich on someone's mistake, before they even consider that perhaps making mistakes is simply human nature. So, if you can't change this aspect of the law you will never change people's attitudes and the doctors will continue to spend a third on insurance, which takes the prices for their services to levels that are unknown in any other country in the world, whether you are covered or not by insurance is irrelevamt, the cost is simply insane.. Sadly in England we are following suit. But somehow our courts are a bit more realistic in establishing levels of compensation for medical victims... I remember reading years ago about the woman who burned her thigh with a coffee at MacDonald's, she got something like 3 or 4 million $$$, which seemed ridiculous, and I thought "where will it end?" The answer is it simply doesn't, it continues and gets worse and worse...
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Reply #7570 - Sep 20th, 2009 at 11:31am
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Alrighty then. I was at a wedding all day yeatsreday and did not get a chance to post, and prove, once again, the sheer idiocy and maddness of Barry's spending. Oh, and I also want to dispel the falsity of BJ's claim about the USA being number 37 on health care sevices.


First let's take a look at Bush's and Barry's idiodic spending and compare it to the priciest expenditures in USA  history. Cool? Cool.


Yes, I will source all of these FACTS.


Oh, and for those of you interested I will also completely destroy the idiotic list from the UN concerning the world's best health care. Here's a hint. The USA has the world's best health care, and it's not even close! Oh, yes! Facts and sources will be provided on this subject too.


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In 2008 and 2009, the federal governement spent tax dollars at a frenzied pace to try to rescue the finacial markets from it's own mismanagment. Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) outlays have reached over $1 trillion or 7% of the nation's gross domestic product. TARP was originally enacted so the government could buy risky or nonperforming loans from financial institutions. But the mission changed within weeks--the government began using the funds to buy equity positions in finacial institutions, presumably to inject cash directly into these entities. An oversite committee concluded that $350 billion of the TARP funds cannot be adequatly accounted for. (Daniel Arnell and Alice Gomstyn, "Where Did The Taxpayer Money Go?"ABC News Jan. 9th 2009)

The Federal Reserve also provided assistance of $30 billion for Bear Sterns, $150 billion for AIG, $200 billion for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, $20 billion for Citigroup, $245 billion for the commercial paper market, and $540 billion for the money markets. (Matthew Karnitsching, "Expanding the $ 700 Billion Bailout....to $1 Trillion" Deal Journal blog, Wall Street Journal, Nov 13 2008) It is poised to lend over $7 trillion to financial institutions, or over half the size of the entire American economy in 2007. (David Goldman "Bailouts: $7 Trillion and Rising," CNNmoney)

According to Bianco Research president James Bianco, the federal bailout fer exceeds nine of the costliest events in American history combinded:

                                                       Cost                                           Inflation-Adjusted Cost

The Marshall Plan                           $12.7 billion                                       $115.3 billion

Louisiana Purchase                         $15 million                                        $217 billion

Race to the moon                           $36.4 billion                                      $237 billion

S&L Crisis                                      $153 billion                                       $236 billion  

Korean War                                    $54 billion                                         $454 billion

The New Deal                                 $32 billion (est.)                                 $500 billion (est.)

Invasion Of Iraq                             $551 billion                                         $597 billion

Vietnam War                                  $111 billion                                         $698 billion

NASA                                             $416 billion                                         $851.2 billion


The cost of World War II to the United States was $288 billion, or $3.6 trillion when adjusted for inflation.


* this was transcribed from Liberty and Tyranny, Mark Levin. All figures and facts have been sourced, and to date not one of these facts has been discredited. They are facts, cold hard facts.


So there you have a list of governemnt expedtitures, in the waning days of the Bush Admin, and the first days of the Obama Admin. It is no secret that I have slammed Bush for his ridiculous spending. Bush was far from a fiscally conservative president. However, in a short 8 months the Obama Admin. has quadrupled the deficit, and this is even before he gets his hands on the health care industry, or tries to implement Cap and Trade. That's right. Obama has made Bush look like a rank ammature with regards to government spending.

The health care industry accounts for a full 20% of the nation's economy, or 1/5 of the economy has a whole. Some feel that it would be a good idea to just hand over the entire thing to the federal government. That is insane! Handing the federal government a full one fifth of the American economy is tantamount to voluntarily handing over 20% of our individual liberty. To assume that a federal bureaucracy that doesn't know you or your family is going to make a better health care choice regarding your doctors or treatment is just flat out ignorant.


BJ has for your idiotic list from the UN. That list is based upon countries that have the most coverage not the best coverage! It also does not take population into account. Or, rather, it only consintrates on the population of countries which are tiny by US standards. If yoyu were to add the populations of all of the countries that you listed they would not eqaul the population of the Uited States. You want to compare the percentage of the persons covered in Sweden to that of the USA?! That's absurd!

Why not take a look at which countries have the best treatment instead? Seems to make more sense to me. The survival rate of cancer for example? Or heart disease?

Here's just a brief cut and paste piece that completely underscores the bias that your UN sourced argument foists upon unsuspecting (or uninformed) readers.


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Fact No. 1:  Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers.[1]  Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom.  Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway.  The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.

Fact No. 2:  Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians.[2]  Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.

Fact No. 3:  Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries.[3]  Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease.  By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them.

Fact No. 4:  Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians.[4]  Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate and colon cancer:

Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).
Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).
Fact No. 5:  Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians.  Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent).  Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."[5]

Oh, and this from the completely un-biased and non partisan National Center For Policy Analysis.  http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649



So there you have it dear ROers. For those of you who took the time to read all this I think that my point has been made clearly, and, more importantly, BJ's and Pdog's arguments have been nuked. Nuked with facts too!



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Reply #7571 - Sep 20th, 2009 at 12:17pm
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Oh, and just to underscore the point about the USA having the best health care system I have posted a few more facts, for those of you you did not want to follow the above link.


Fact No. 5:  Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians.  Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent).  Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."[5]

Fact No. 6:  Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the U.K.  Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long - sometimes more than a year - to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer.[6]  All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada.[7]  In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.[8]

Fact No. 7:  People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed.   More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."[9]

Fact No. 8:  Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians.  When asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).[10]

Fact No. 9:  Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the U.K.  Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade.[11]  [See the table.]  The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in Canada and eight in Britain.  The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in Canada and Britain.[12] 

Fact No. 10:  Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations.[13]  The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country.[14]  Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined.[15]  In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize.   Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.[16]  [See the table.]

Conclusion.  Despite serious challenges, such as escalating costs and the uninsured, the U.S. health care system compares favorably to those in other developed countries.


This is chart rather revealing as well.


Check it.


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Reply #7572 - Sep 20th, 2009 at 1:12pm
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I propose to consider here the strains and stresses in the so-called "affluent society," a phrase which has (rightly or wrongly) been coined to describe contemporary American society. Its main characteristics are: (1) an abundant industrial and technical capacity which is to a great extent spent in the production and distribution of luxury goods, gadgets, waste, planned obsolescence, military or semimilitary equipment - in short, in what economists and sociologists used to call "unproductive" goods and services; (2) a rising standard of living, which also extends to previously underprivileged parts of the population; (3) a high degree of concentration of economic and political power, combined with a high degree of organization and government intervention in the economy; (4) scientific and pseudoscientific investigation, control, and manipulation of private and group behavior, both at work and at leisure (including the behavior of the psyche, the soul, the unconscious, and the subconscious) for commercial and political purposes. All these tendencies are interrelated: they make up the syndrome which expresses the normal functioning of the "affluent society." To demonstrate this interrelation is not my task here; I take its existence as the sociological basis for the thesis which I want to submit, namely, that the strains and stresses suffered by the individual in the affluent society are grounded in the normal functioning of this society (and of the individual!) rather than in its disturbances and diseases.

"Normal functioning": I think the definition presents no difficulties for the doctor. The organism functions normally if it functions, without disturbance, in accord with the biological and physiological makeup of the human body. The human faculties and capabilities are certainly very different among the members of the species, and the species itself has changed greatly in the course of its history, but these changes have occurred on a biological and physiological basis which has remained largely constant. To be sure, the physician, in making his diagnosis and in proposing treatment, will take into account the patient's environment, upbringing, and occupation; these factors may limit the extent to which normal functioning can be defined and achieved, or they may even make this achievement impossible, but as criterion and goal, normality remains a clear and meaningful concept. As such, it is identical with "health," and the various deviations from it are to various degrees of "disease."

The situation of the psychiatrist seems to be quite different. At first glance, normality seems to be defined along the same lines the physician uses. The normal functioning of the mind (psyche, psyche-soma) is that which enables the individual to perform, to function in accord with his position as child, adolescent, parent, as a single person or married, in accord with his job, profession, status. But this definition contains factors of an entirely new dimension, namely, that of society, and society is a factor of normality in a fare more essential sense than that of external influence, so much so that "normal" seems to be a social and institutional rather than individual condition. It is probably easy to agree on what is the normal functioning of the digestive tract, the lungs, and the heart, but what is the normal functioning of the mind in love-making, in other interpersonal relations, at work and at leisure, at a meeting of a board of directors, on the golf course, in the slums, in prison, in the army? While the normal functioning of the digestive tract or the lung is likely to be the same in the case of a healthy corporation executive and of a healthy laborer, this does not hold true of their minds. In fact, the one would be very abnormal if he regularly thought, felt, and operated like the other. And what is "normal" lovemaking, a "normal" family, a "normal" occupation?

The psychiatrist might proceed like the general physician and direct therapy to making the patient function within his family, in his job or environment, while trying to influence and even change the environmental factors as much as this is in his power. The limits will soon make themselves felt, for example, if the mental strains and stresses of the patient are caused, not merely by certain bad conditions in his job, in his neighborhood, in his social status, but by the very nature of the job, the neighborhood, the status itself - in their normal condition. Then making him normal for this condition would mean normalizing the strains and stresses, or to put it more brutally: making him capable of being sick, of living his sickness as health, without his noticing that he is sick precisely when he sees himself and is seen as healthy and normal. This would be the case if his work is, by its very nature, "deadening," stupefying, wasteful (even though the job pays well and is "socially" necessary), or if the person belongs to a minority group which is underprivileged in the established society, traditionally poor and occupied mainly in menial and "dirty" physical labor. But this would also be the case (in very different forms) on the other side of the fence among the tycoons of business and politics, where efficient and profitable performance requires (and reproduces) the qualities of smart ruthlessness, moral indifference, and persistent aggressiveness. In such cases, "normal" functioning would be tantamount to a distortion and mutilation of a human being - no matter how modestly one may define the human qualities of a human being. Erich Fromm wrote The Sane Society; it deals, not with the established, but with a future, society, the implication being that the established society is not sane but insane. Is not the individual who functions normally, adequately, and healthily as a citizen of a sick society - is not such an individual himself sick? And would not a sick society require an antagonistic concept of mental health, a meta-concept designating (and preserving) mental qualities which are tabooed, arrested, or distorted by the "sanity" prevalent in the sick society? (For example, mental health equals the ability to live as a dissenter, to live a nonadjusted life.)

As a tentative definition of "sick society" we can say that a society is sick when its basic institutions and relations, its structure, are such that they do not permit the use of the available material and intellectual resources for the optimal development and satisfaction of individual needs. The larger the discrepancy between the potential and actual human conditions, the greater the social need for what I term "surplus-repression," that is, repression necessitated not by the growth and preservation of civilization but by the vested interest in maintaining an established society. Such surplus-repression introduces (over and above, or rather underneath, the social conflicts) new strains and stresses in the individuals. Usually handled by the normal working of the social process, which assures adjustment and submission (fear of loss of job or status, ostracism, and so forth, no special enforcement policies with respect to the mind are required. But in the contemporary affluent society, the discrepancy between the established modes of existence and the real possibilities of human freedom is so great that, in order to prevent an explosion, society has to insure a more effective mental coordination of individuals: in its unconscious as well as conscious dimensions, the psyche is opened up and subjected to systematic manipulation and control.

When I speak of the surplus-repression "required" for the maintenance of a society, or of the need for systematic manipulation and control, I do not refer to individually experienced social needs and consciously inaugurated policies: they may be thus experienced and inaugurated or they may not. I rather speak of tendencies, forces which can be identified by an analysis of the existing society and which assert themselves even if the policy makers are not aware of them. They express the requirements of the established apparatus of production, distribution, and consumption - economic, technical, political, mental requirements which have to be fulfilled in order to assure the continued functioning of the apparatus on which the population depends, and the continuing function of the social relationships derived from the organization of the apparatus. These objective tendencies become manifest in the trend of the economy, in technological change, in the domestic and foreign policy of a nation or group of nations, and they generate common, supraindividual needs and goals in the different social classes, pressure groups, and parties. Under the normal conditions of social cohesion, the objective tendencies override or absorb individual interest and goals without exploding the society; however, the particular interest is not simply determined by the universal: the former has its own range of freedom, and contributes, in accordance with its social position, to the shaping of the general interest - but short of a revolution, the particular needs and goals will remain defined by the predominant objective tendencies. Marx believed that they assert themselves "behind the back" of the individuals; in the advanced societies of today, this is true only with strong qualifications. Social engineering, scientific management of enterprise and human relations, and manipulation of instinctual needs are practiced on the policy-making level and testify to the degree of awareness within the general blindness.

As for the systematic manipulation and control of the psyche in the advanced industrial society, manipulation and control for what, and by whom? Over and above all particular manipulation in the interest of certain businesses, policies, lobbies - the general objective purpose is to reconcile the individual with the mode of existence which his society imposes on him. Because of the high degree of surplus-repression involved in such reconciliation, it is necessary to achieve a libidinal cathexis of the merchandise the individual has to buy (or sell), the services he has to use (or perform), the fun he has to enjoy, the status symbols he has to carry - necessary, because the existence of the society depends on their uninterrupted production and consumption. In other words, social needs must become individual needs, instinctual needs. And to the degree to which the productivity of this society requires mass production and mass consumption, these needs must be standardized, coordinated, generalized. Certainly, these controls are not a conspiracy, they are not centralized in any agency or group of agencies (although the trend toward centralization is gaining momentum); they are rather diffused throughout the society, exercised by the neighbors, the community, the peer groups, mass media, corporations, and (perhaps least) by the government. But they are exercised with the help of, in fact rendered possible by, science, by the social and behavioral sciences, and especially by sociology and psychology. As industrial sociology and psychology, or, more euphemistically, as "science of human relations," these scientific efforts have become an indispensable tool in the hands of the powers that be.

These brief remarks are suggestive of the depth of society's ingression into the psyche, the extent to which mental health, normality, is not that of the individual but of his society. Such a harmony between the individual and society would be highly desirable if the society offered the individual the conditions for his development as a human being in accord with the available possibilities of freedom, peace, and happiness (that is in accord with the possible liberation of his life instincts), but it is highly destructive to the individual if these conditions do not prevail. Where they do not prevail, the healthy and normal individual is a human being equipped with all the qualities which enable him to get along with others in his society, and these very same qualities are the marks of repression, the marks of a mutilated human being, who collaborates in his own repression, in the containment of potential individual and social freedom, in the release of aggression. And this situation cannot be solved within the framework of any psychology - a solution can be envisaged only on the political level: in the struggle against society. To be sure, therapy could demonstrate this situation and prepare the mental ground for such a struggle - but then psychiatry would be a subversive undertaking.

The question now is whether the strains in contemporary American society, in the affluent society, suggest the prevalence of conditions essentially negative to individual development in the sense just discussed. Or, to formulate the question in terms more indicate of the approach I propose to take: Do these strains vitiate the very possibility of "healthy" individual development - healthy defined in terms of optimal development of one's intellectual and emotional faculties? The question calls for an affirmative answer, that is, this society vitiates individual developments, if the prevailing strains are related to the very structure of this society and if they activate in its members instinctual needs and satisfactions which set the individuals against themselves so that they reproduce and intensify their own repression.

At first glance, the strains in our society seem to be those characteristic of any society which develops under the impact of great technological changes: they initiate new modes of work and of leisure and thereby affect all social relationships, and bring about a thorough transvaluation of values. Since physical labor tends to become increasingly unnecessary and even wasteful, since the work of salaried employees too becomes increasingly "automatic" and that of the politicians and administrators increasingly questionable, the traditional content of the struggle for existence appears more meaningless and without substance the more it appears as unnecessary necessity. But the future alternative, namely, the possible abolition of (alienated) labor seems equally meaningless, nay, frightening. And indeed, if one envisages this alternative as the progress and development of the established system, then the dislocation of the content of life to free time suggest the shape of a nightmare: massive self-realization, fun, sport in a steadily shrinking space.

But the threat of the "bogey of automation" is itself ideology. On the one hand it serves the perpetuation and reproduction of technically obsolete and unnecessary jobs and occupations (unemployment as normal condition, even if comfortable, seems worse than stupefying routine work); on the other hand it justifies and promotes the education and training of the managers and organization men of leisure time, that is to say, it serves to prolong and enlarge control and manipulation.

The real danger for the established system is not the abolition of labor but the possibility of nonalienated labor as the basis of the reproduction of society. Not that people are no longer compelled to work, but that they might be compelled to work for a very different life and in very different relations, that they might be given very different goals and values, that they might have to live with a very different morality - this is the "definite negation" of the established system, the liberating alternative. For example, socially necessary labor might be organized for such efforts as the rebuilding of cities and towns, the relocation of the places of work (so that people learn again how to walk), the construction of industries which produce goods without built-in obsolescence, without profitable waste and poor quality, and the subjection of the environment to the vital aesthetic needs of the organism. To be sure, to translate this possibility into reality would mean to eliminate the power of the dominant interests which, by their very function in the society, are opposed to a development that would reduce private enterprise to a minor role, that would do away with the market economy, and with the policy of military preparedness, expansion, and intervention - in other words: a development that would reverse the entire prevailing trend. There is little evidence for such a development. In the meantime, and with the new and terribly effective and total means provided by technical progress, the population is physically and mentally mobilized against this eventuality: they must continue the struggle for existence in painful, costly and obsolete forms.

This is the real contradiction which translates itself from the social structure into the mental structure of the individuals. There, it activates and aggravates destructive tendencies which, in a hardly sublimated mode, are made socially useful in the behavior of the individuals, on the private as well as political level - in the behavior of the nation as a whole. Destructive energy becomes socially useful aggressive energy, and the aggressive behavior impels growth - growth of economic, political, and technical power. Just as in the contemporary scientific enterprise, so in the economic enterprise and in that of the nation as a whole, constructive and destructive achievements, work for life and work for death, procreating and killing are inextricably united. To restrict the exploitation of nuclear energy would mean to restrict its peaceful as well as military potential; the amelioration and protection of life appear as by-products of the scientific work on the annihilation of life; to restrict procreation would also mean to restrict potential manpower and the number of potential customers and clients. Now the (more or less sublimated) transformation of destructive into socially useful aggressive (and thereby constructive) energy is, according to Freud (on whose instinct-theory I base my interpretation) a normal and indispensable process. It is part of the same dynamic by which libido, erotic energy, is sublimated and made socially useful; the two opposite impulses are forced together and, united in this twofold transformation, they become the mental and organic vehicles of civilization. But no matter how close and effective their union, their respective quality remains unchanged and contrary: aggression activates destruction which "aims" at death, while libido seeks the preservation, protection, and amelioration of life. Therefore, it is only as long as destruction works in the service of Eros that it serves civilization and the individual; if aggression becomes stronger than its erotic counterpart, the trend is reversed. Moreover, in the Freudian conception, destructive energy cannot become stronger without reducing erotic energy: the balance between the two primary impulses is a quantitative one; the instinctual dynamic is mechanistic, distributing an available quantum of energy between the two antagonists.

I have briefly restated Freud's conception inasmuch as I shall use it to discuss the depth and character of the strains prevalent in American society. I suggest that the strains derive from the basic contradiction between the capabilities of this society, which could produce essentially new forms of freedom amounting to a subversion of the established institutions on the one hand, and the repressive use of these capabilities on the other. The contradiction explodes - and is at the same time "resolved," "contained" - in the ubiquitous aggression prevalent in this society. Its most conspicuous (but by no means isolated) manifestation is the military mobilization and its effect on the mental behavior of the individuals, but within the context of the basic contradiction, aggressiveness is fed by many sources. The following seem to be foremost:

(1) The dehumanization of the process of production and consumption. Technical progress is identical with the increasing elimination of personal initiative, inclination, taste, and need from the provision of goods and services. This tendency is liberating if the available resources and techniques are used for freeing the individual from labor and recreation which are required for the reproduction of the established institutions but are parasitic, wasteful, and dehumanizing in terms of the existing technical and intellectual capabilities. The same tendency often gratifies hostility.

(2) The conditions of crowding, noise, and overtness characteristic of mass society. As René Dubos has said, the need for "quiet, privacy, independence, initiative, and some open space" are not "frills or luxuries but constitute real biological necessities." Their lack injures the instinctual structure itself. Freud has emphasized the "asocial" character of Eros - the mass society achieves an "oversocialization" to which the individual reacts "with all sorts of frustrations, repressions, aggressions, and fears which soon develop into genuine neuroses."

I mentioned, as the most conspicuous social mobilization of aggressiveness, the militarization of the affluent society. This mobilization goes far beyond the actual draft of man-power and the buildup of the armament industry: its truly totalitarian aspects show forth in the daily mass media which feed "public opinion." The brutalization of language and image, the presentation of killing, burning, and poisoning and torture inflicted upon the victims of neocolonial slaughter is made in a common-sensible, factual, sometimes humorous style which integrates these horrors with the pranks of juvenile delinquents, football contests, accidents, stock market reports, and the weatherman. This is no longer the "classical" heroizing of killing in the national interest, but rather its reduction to the level of natural events and contingencies of daily life.

The consequence is a "psychological habituation of war" which is administered to a people protected from the actuality of war, a people who, by virtue of this habituation, easily familiarizes itself with the "kill rate" as it is already familiar with other "rates" (such as those of business or traffic or unemployment). The people are conditioned to live "with the hazards, the brutalities, and the mounting casualties of the war in Vietnam, just as one learns gradually to live with the everyday hazards and casualties of smoking, of smog, or of traffic." [1] The photos which appear in the daily newspapers and in magazines with mass circulation, often in nice and glossy color, show rows of prisoners laid out or stood up for "interrogation," little children dragged through the dust behind armored cars, mutilated women. They are nothing new ("such things happen in a war"), but it is the setting that makes the difference: their appearance in the regular program, in togetherness with the commercials, sports, local politics, and reports on the social set. And the brutality of power is further normalized by its extension to the beloved automobile: the manufacturers sell a Thunderbird, Fury, Tempest, and the oil industry puts "a tiger in your tank."

However, the administered language is rigidly discriminating: a specific vocabulary of hate, resentment, and defamation is reserved for opposition to the aggressive policies and for the enemy. The pattern constantly repeats itself. Thus, when students demonstrate against the war, it is a "mob" swelled by "bearded advocates of sexual freedom," by unwashed juveniles, and by "hoodlums and street urchins" who "tramp" the streets, while the counterdemonstrations consist of citizens who gather. In Vietnam, "typical criminal communist violence" is perpetrated against American "strategic operations." The Reds have the impertinence to launch "a sneak attack" (presumably they are supposed to announce it beforehand and to deploy in the open); they are "evading a death trap" (presumably they should have stayed in). The Vietcong attack American barracks "in the dead of night" and kill American boys (presumably, Americans only attack in broad daylight, don't disturb the sleep of the enemy, and don't kill Vietnamese boys). The massacre of hundred thousands of communists (in Indonesia) is called "impressive" - a comparable "killing rate" suffered by the other side would hardly have been honored with such an adjective. To the Chinese, the presence of American troops in East Asia is a threat to their "ideology," while presumably the presence of Chinese troops in Central or South America would be a real, and not only ideological, threat to the United States.

The loaded language proceeds according to the Orwellian recipe of the identity of opposites: in the mouth of the enemy, peace means war, and defense is attack, while on the righteous side, escalation is restraint, and saturation bombing prepares for peace. Organized in this discriminatory fashion, language designates a priori the enemy as evil in his entirety and in all his actions and intentions.

Such mobilization of aggressiveness cannot be explained by the magnitude of the communist threat: the image of the ostensible enemy is inflated out of all proportion to reality. What is at stake is rather the continued stability and growth of a system which is threatened by its own irrationality - by the narrow base on which its prosperity rests, by the dehumanization which its wasteful and parasitic affluence demands. The senseless war is itself part of this irrationality and thus of the essence of the system. What may have been a minor involvement at the beginning, almost an accident, a contingency of foreign policy, has become a test case for the productivity, competitiveness, and prestige of the whole. The billions of dollars spent for the war effort are a political as well as economic stimulus (or cure): a big way of absorbing part of the economic surplus, and of keeping the people in line. Defeat in Vietnam may well be the signal for other wars of liberation closer to home - and perhaps even for rebellion at home.

To be sure, the social utilization of aggressiveness belongs to the historical structure of civilization and has been a powerful vehicle of progress. However, here too, there is a stage where quantity may turn into quality and subvert the normal balance between the two primary instincts in favor of destruction. I mentioned the "bogey man" of automation. In fact the real spectre for the affluent society is the possible reduction of labor to a level where the human organism need no longer function as an instrument of labor. The mere quantitative decline in needed human labor power militates against the maintenance of the capitalist mode of production (as of all other exploitative modes of production). The system reacts by stepping up the production of goods and services which either do not enlarge individual consumption at all, or enlarge it with luxuries - luxuries in the face of persistent poverty, but luxuries which are necessities for occupying a labor force sufficient to reproduce the established economic and political institutions. To the degree to which this sort of work appears as superfluous, senseless, and unnecessary while necessary for earning a living, frustration is built into the very productivity of this society, and aggressiveness is activated. And to the degree to which the society in its very structure becomes aggressive, the mental structure of its citizens adjusts itself: the individual becomes at one and the same time more aggressive and more pliable and submissive, for he submits by a society which, by virtue of its affluence and power, satisfies his deepest (and otherwise greatly repressed) instinctual needs. And these instinctual needs apparently find their libidinal reflection in the representatives of the people. the chairman of the Armed Services Committee of the United States Senate, Senator Russell of Georgia, was struck by this fact. He is quoted as saying:

There is something about preparing for destruction that causes men to be more careless in spending money than they would be if they were building for constructive purposes. Why that is, I do not know; but I have observed, over a period of almost thirty years in the Senate, that there is something about buying arms with which to kill, to destroy, to wipe out cities, and to obliterate great transportation systems which causes men not to reckon the dollar cost as closely as they do when they think about proper housing and the care of the health of human beings. [2]

I have argued elsewhere the question of how one can possibly gauge and historically compare the aggression prevalent in a specific society; instead of restating the case, I want now to focus on different aspects, on the specific forms in which aggression today is released and satisfied.

The most telling one, and the one which distinguishes the new from the traditional forms, is what I call technological aggression and satisfaction. The phenomenon is quickly described: the act of aggression is physically carried out by a mechanism with a high degree of automatism, of far greater power than the individual human being who sets it in motion, keeps it in motion, and determines its end or target. The most extreme case is the rocket or missile; the most ordinary example the automobile. This means that the energy, the power activated and consummated is the mechanical, electrical, or nuclear energy of "things" rather than the instinctual energy of a human being. Aggression is, as it were, transferred from a subject to an object, or is at least "mediated" by an object, and the target is destroyed by a thing rather than by a person. This change in the relation between human and material energy, and between the physical and mental part of aggression (man becomes the subject and agent of aggression by virtue of his mental rather than physical faculties) must also affect the mental dynamic. I submit a hypothesis which is suggested by the inner logic of the process: with the "delegation" of destruction to a more or less automated thing or group and system of things, the instinctual satisfaction of the human person is "interrupted," reduced, frustrated, "super-sublimated." And such frustration makes for repetition and escalation: increasing violence, speed, enlarged scope. At the same time, personal responsibility, conscience, and the sense of guilt is weakened, or rather diffused, displaced from the actual context in which the aggression was committed (i.e. bombing raids), and relocated in a more or less innocuous context (impoliteness, sexual inadequacy, etc.). In this reaction too, the effect is a considerable weakening of the sense of guilt, and the defense (hatred, resentment) is also redirected from the real responsible subject (the commanding officer, the government) to a substitute person: not I as a (morally and physically) acting person did it, but the thing, the machine. The machine: the word suggests that an apparatus consisting of human beings may be substituted for the mechanical apparatus: the bureaucracy, the administration, the party, or organization is the responsible agent; I, the individual person, was only the instrumentality. And an instrument cannot, in any moral sense, be responsible or be in a state of guilt. In this way, another barrier against aggression, which civilization had erected in a long and violent process of discipline is removed. And the expansion of advanced capitalism becomes involved in a fateful psychical dialectic which enters into and propels its economic and political dynamic: the more powerful and "technological" aggression becomes, the less is it apt to satisfy and pacify the primary impulse, and the more it tends toward repetition and escalation.

To be sure, the use of instruments of aggression is as old as civilization itself, but there is a decisive difference between technological aggression and the more primitive forms. The latter were not only quantitatively different (weaker): they required activation and engagement of the body to a much higher degree than the automated or semiautomated instruments of aggression. The knife, the "blunt instrument," even the revolver are far more "part" of the individual who uses them and they associate him more closely with his target. Moreover, and most important, their use, unless effectively sublimated and in the service of the life instincts (as in the case of the surgeon, household, etc.), is criminal - individual crime - and as such subject to severe punishment. In contrast, technological aggression is not a crime. The speeding driver of an automobile or motor boat is not called a murderer even if he is one; and certainly the missile-firing engineers are not.

Technological aggression releases a mental dynamic which aggravates the destructive, antierotic tendencies of the puritan complex. The new modes of aggression destroy without getting one's hands dirty, one's body soiled, one's mind incriminated. The killer remains clean, physically as well as mentally. The purity of his deadly work obtains added sanction if it is directed against the national enemy in the national interest.

The (anonymous) lead article in Les Temps Modernes (January 1966) links the war in Vietnam with the puritan tradition in the United States. The image of the enemy is that of dirt in its most repulsive forms; the unclean jungle is his natural habitat, disembowelment and beheading are his natural ways of action. Consequently, the burning of his refuge, defoliation, and the poisoning of his foodstuff are not only strategic but also moral operations: removing of contagious dirt, clearing the way for the order of political hygiene and righteousness. And the mass purging of the good conscience from all rational inhibitions leads to the atrophy of the last rebellion of sanity against the madhouse: no satire, no ridicule attends the moralists who organize and defend the crime. Thus one of them can, without becoming a laughingstock, publicly praise as the "greatest performance in our nation's history," the indeed historical achievement of the richest, most powerful, and most advanced country of the world unleashing the destructive force of its technical superiority on one of the poorest, weakest, and most helpless countries of the world.

The decline of responsibility and guilt, their absorption by the omnipotent technical and political apparatus also tends to invalidate other values which were to restrain and sublimate aggression. While the militarization of society remains the most conspicuous and destructive manifestation of this tendency, its less ostensible effects in the cultural dimension should not be minimized. One of these effects is the disintegration of the value of truth. The media enjoy a large dispensation from the commitment to truth, and in a very special way. The point is not that the media lie ("lie" presupposes commitment to truth), they rather mingle truth and half-truth with omission, factual reporting with commentary and evaluation, information with publicity and propaganda - all this made into an overwhelming whole through editorializing. The editorially unpleasant truths (and how many of the most decisive truths are not unpleasant?) retreat between the lines, or hide, or mingle harmoniously with nonsense, fun, and so-called human interest stories. And the consumer is readily inclined to take all this for granted - he buys it even if he knows better. Now the commitment to the truth has always been precarious, hedged with strong qualifications, suspended, or suppressed - it is only in the context of the general and democratic activation of aggressiveness that the devaluation of truth assumes special significance. For truth is a value in the strict sense inasmuch as it serves the protection and amelioration of life, as a guide in man's struggle with nature and with himself, with his own weakness and his own destructiveness. In this function, truth is indeed a matter of the sublimated life instincts, Eros, of intelligence becoming responsible and autonomous, striving to liberate life from dependence on unmastered and repressive forces. And with respect to this protective and liberating function of truth, its devaluation removes another effective barrier against destruction.

The encroachment of aggression on the domain of the life instincts also devalues the aesthetic dimension. In Eros and Civilization I have tried to show the erotic component in this dimension. Nonfunctional, that is to say, not committed to the functioning of a repressive society, the aesthetic values have been strong protectors of Eros in civilization. Nature is part of this dimension. Eros seeks, in polymorphous forms, its own sensuous world of fulfillment, its own "natural" environment. But only in a protected world - protected from daily business, from noise, crowds, waste, only thus can it satisfy the biological need for happiness. The aggressive business practices which turn ever more spaces of protective nature into a medium of commercial fulfillment and fun thus do not merely offend beauty - they repress biological necessities.

Once we agree to discuss the hypothesis that, in advanced industrial society surplus-aggression is released in quite unsuspected and "normal" behavior, we may see it even in areas which are far removed from the more familiar manifestations of aggression, for instance the style of publicity and information practiced by the mass media. Characteristic is the permanent repetition: the same commercial with the same text or picture broadcast or televised again and again; the same phrases and clichés poured out by the purveyors and makers of information again and again; the same programs and platforms professed by the politicians again and again. Freud arrived at his concept of the death instinct in the context of his analysis of the "repetition compulsion": he associated with it the striving for a state of complete inertia, absence of tension, return to the womb, annihilation. Hitler knew well the extreme function of repetition: the biggest lie, often enough repeated, will be acted upon and accepted as truth. Even in its less extreme use, constant repetition, imposed upon more or less captive audiences, may be destructive: destroying mental autonomy, freedom of thought, responsibility and conducive to inertia, submission, rejection of change. The established society, the master of repetition, becomes the great womb for its citizens. To be sure, this road to inertia and this reduction of tension is one of high and not very satisfactory sublimation: it does not lead to an instinctual nirvana of satisfaction. However, it may well reduce the stress of intelligence, the pain and tension which accompany autonomous mental activity - thus it may be an effective aggression against the mind in its socially disturbing, critical functions.

These are highly speculative hypotheses on the socially and mentally fateful character of aggression in our society. Aggression is (in most cases) socially useful destructiveness - and yet fateful because of its self-propelling character and scope. In this respect too, it is badly sublimated and not very satisfying. If Freud's theory is correct, and the destructive impulse strives for the annihilation of the individual's own life no matter how long the "detour" via other lives and targets, then we may indeed speak of a suicidal tendency on a truly social scale, and the national and international play with total destruction may well have found a firm basis in the instinctual structure of individuals.

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Riffy, you're facts, and I won't argue whether they are facts or ont, I'll asume they are correct numbers. What I don't get when reading them is how specific tests or data, goes to random countries... kinda like you could say, The Stones 2nd album, sold better than the Who's second album, and Zeppelins 4th album was more popular than blah, blah, blah... I don't see how this reflects one very tue and importasn fact, that millions of americans are denied access to healthcare. I also didn't see any of the top ten countries in your list of facts... How about you compare US to them... There's some startling facts and evidence. So no matter how good our care is, if you can't use it, it doesn't matter... and what argument of mine did you nuke? You're responding to Brainy, but not me... I think you're an authoritarian, racist associated bully... I can and have proved that... it's not even up for debate... Remember, you and Nanky have even said, and made posts saying you guys have inside sources... and claimed these as facts...

I have a question? Why does the Iraq war, adjusted for inflatio, compared to WWII cost so much more? You think it's b/c people associated with the admin that started it, ripped us off and got special favor? you denied that, and it is way more obvious that this bullshit factoid you just put out there...


OH... and by the way, you LIED!!!

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The National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) is an American non-profit conservative think tank.[1] The NCPA states that its goal is to develop and promote private alternatives to government regulation and control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive, entrepreneurial private sector. Topics include reforms in health care, taxes, Social Security, welfare, education and environmental regulation.
The NCPA was founded in February 1983[2] by British businessman Antony Fisher[3] and Dallas businessmen Russell Perry (CEO of Republic Financial Services),[4] Wayne Calloway (CEO of Frito-Lay), John F. Stephens (CEO of Employers Insurance of Texas),[5] and Jere W. Thompson (CEO of the Southland Corporation).
The NCPA received media attention recently for its promotion of encouraging automatic enrollment into companies' 401(k) plans. NCPA President John Goodman also recently partnered with Wall Street Journal editorial writer Kim Strassel to author a book, Leaving Women Behind: Modern Families, Outdated Laws (ISBN 0742545458).
NCPA was a member organization of the Cooler Heads Coalition, which described itself as "an alliance of some two dozen non-profit public policy groups concerned about the implications of the Kyoto Protocol for consumers," and which was generally skeptical of the anthroprogenic global warming theory [6]. NCPA has also recently (as of January, 2007) undertaken to debunk claims of Peak Oil.
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This is just as bad, I mean lame, as your scientific facts about our planets climate!!!
Are you really this stupid, to make a claim this group is non- partisan? Did you even see who funds them? You're much better at debunking ACORN, which is very neccessary on many levels... but this, is not your strong point... you're a 90 lb weakling here!
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