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Question: What item is most likely found in the top drawer of Riffy's dresser?

naked pictures of Reagan    
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Barry O voodoo doll    
  3 (12.0%)
Hoffa's body    
  2 (8.0%)
DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
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JC's boss's phone number    
  2 (8.0%)
bucket of chicken    
  5 (20.0%)
three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
  3 (12.0%)
"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
  4 (16.0%)




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Reply #7450 - Sep 17th, 2009 at 5:38pm
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Edith Grove wrote on Sep 17th, 2009 at 4:48pm:
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long,
building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances
and plays the summer away.
Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference
and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well
fed while others are cold and starving.


CBS, NBC , PBS, CNN, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the
shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home
with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast.

How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor
grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and
everybody cries when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green.'

Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant 's
house where the news stations film the group singing, 'We shall
overcome.' Jesse then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the
grasshopper's sake.

Nancy Pelosi & John Kerry exclaim in an interview with Larry
King that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and
both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair
share.

Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Grasshopper
Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of
green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his
home is confiscated by the government.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last
bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which just
happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he
doesn't maintain it.

The ant has disappeared in the snow.

The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the
house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize
the once peaceful neighborhood.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be VERY careful how you vote in 2010





The first sentence contains factual errors. No need to continue.

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It's a re-make of a children's story.
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“What rap did that was impressive was to show there are so many tone-deaf people out there,” he says. “All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they’re happy. There’s an enormous market for people who can’t tell one note from another.” - Keef
 
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It's a re-make of a children's story.



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It's coming you fucking morons. It's coming fast and hard, and none of you idiot drones are even aware of it!

It ain't got shit to do with racism, but if that idiocy makes you brain dead fucks feel better, have at it.




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Riffhard wrote on Sep 17th, 2009 at 9:06pm:
It's coming you fucking morons. It's coming fast and hard, and none of you idiot drones are even aware of it!

It ain't got shit to do with racism, but if that idiocy makes you brain dead fucks feel better, have at it.




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riffblot, don't mince words. tell us what you feel.
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" It's coming you fucking morons. It's coming fast and hard, and none of you idiot drones are even aware of it!  "



< --- Oh , please ...... DO tell us Lee Harvey .


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Reply #7458 - Sep 17th, 2009 at 9:46pm
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Starbuck wrote on Sep 17th, 2009 at 9:13pm:
Riffhard wrote on Sep 17th, 2009 at 9:06pm:
It's coming you fucking morons. It's coming fast and hard, and none of you idiot drones are even aware of it!

It ain't got shit to do with racism, but if that idiocy makes you brain dead fucks feel better, have at it.




Riffy


riffblot, don't mince words. tell us what you feel.



LOL! Ya know Bucky sometimes you just gotta lay it out there. I am stunned that some of these Obamdrones are trying idiotically to downplay the genuine anger that this moron Barry has fostered. I try, and I try to tell these idiots that there is genuine anger out here in real America, and what do these brain dead fucks say? "It's racism!", "It's Rush's ditto heads!", "It's Glenn Beck!", "It's Levin's hate speech!", never once do any of these idiots take into account that seniors, independents, moderates, former Obama supporters are fleeing from this clown's bandwagon by the hundreds of thousands like rats from a sinking ship.


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The numbers don't lie guys! It ain't about racism. Keep telling yourselves that. Go talk to a few seniors. See what they say. Talk to some unpartisan independant moderates. Obama is losing these folks by the millions, and only you blinders-on idiots seem to take no notice.


God it's gonna be great saying-I TOLD YOU SO! Make no mistake about it, I'm going to quote this exact post and laugh in your smug moronic faces! BIG TIME!!!



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The numbers don't lie guys! It ain't about racism. Keep telling yourselves that. Go talk to a few seniors. See what they say. Talk to some unpartisan independant moderates. Obama is losing these folks by the millions, and only you blinders-on idiots seem to take no notice.


God it's gonna be great saying-I TOLD YOU SO! Make no mistake about it, I'm going to quote this exact post and laugh in your smug moronic faces! BIG TIME!!!



Riffy


Oh Yeah! The Kool-Aid mans back. You and the other bushgeek should don pantyhose and run around as the dynamic duo "Right Wing Radio Hack flavored Kool-Aid" and "Teabagman". Flying through the internets shouting down evil doers, freedum haters and dumb asses who don't know how to vote right that inhabit those wretched, bastions of liberal indoctination i.e. Rolling Stones message boards... oh wait you already do this nm

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The numbers don't lie guys! It ain't about racism. Keep telling yourselves that. Go talk to a few seniors. See what they say. Talk to some unpartisan independant moderates. Obama is losing these folks by the millions, and only you blinders-on idiots seem to take no notice.


God it's gonna be great saying-I TOLD YOU SO! Make no mistake about it, I'm going to quote this exact post and laugh in your smug moronic faces! BIG TIME!!!



Riffy

I recall similar braying predictions of future "I told you so's" before the election; something about toast, wasn't it?  And WMDs before that?  Not a good track record for prognostication, Riffy.  You exhibit the traits of what logicians call a "reliable non-authority;" that is, someone who can be relied on to be wrong.
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Paranoid Android wrote on Sep 17th, 2009 at 11:16pm:
Some of my friends at the TEA PARTY the other day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y&feature=player_embedded


That was the scariest movie I've ever watched, PA, it puts even "The Shining" in the shade. Were those "normal Americans"? Here in England they would be sectioned under the Mental Health Act.

Poignant how most of them actually were not even articulate enough to explain to the reporter what the bill was about, or where they felt the taxes were being raised unfairly, they come across as mentally unbalanced sheep... Scary!

Oh no! not you again
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Paranoid Android wrote on Sep 17th, 2009 at 11:16pm:
Some of my friends at the TEA PARTY the other day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y&feature=player_embedded


That was the scariest movie I've ever watched, PA, it puts even "The Shining" in the shade. Were those "normal Americans"? Here in England they would be sectioned under the Mental Health Act.

Poignant how most of them actually were not even articulate enough to explain to the reporter what the bill was about, or where they felt the taxes were being raised unfairly, they come across as mentally unbalanced sheep... Scary!

Oh no! not you again

Yes it is scary, Jo!  I have a few coworkers, who may not be quite that stupid mind you-but nonetheless-you can't even have a logical "discussion" with them about the problems in America.  No problem or relationship for that matter will get the quality time it deserves when people can only see black and white.
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Obama + Kanye = da Big Asshole ... a Thrillion here ... a Trillion there ... another Trillion flush in the name of good health ... what a first year ... if you want to wind up a bankrupt third rate nation ... or a performer with the self control of Kanye ... "don't follow leaders ... watch the parking meters" ...  What the fuck?
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It's coming you fucking morons. It's coming fast and hard, and none of you idiot drones are even aware of it!

It ain't got shit to do with racism, but if that idiocy makes you brain dead fucks feel better, have at it.




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Riffy/Palin 2012
Mr. Riffy YOU don't hate O's policies, you don't even undertand them, or any of the -isms that you repeat from your Fox/Limbo cheerleaders. What you hate, what really engenders your anger, is that Obama is better than you are. You can't stand his intellectualism most of all, but then combine it with his unflappable composure, eloquence, and cool competence, it drives you into the stratosphere.
Mrs. Palin is an inspiration to working mothers everywhere because she bailed on her job right before Fourth of July weekend. You are living my dream. Thank you, Mrs. Palin.

You don't see the message you carry, what you beloved GOP relaly pushes... Quit. I'm not sending my kid to school. I'm going to yell and make up lies, and put you down. you have a tactic, that works, you just forgot a message. Work on your message, get a better tactic to present the message and maybe people will want what you have. The people that want what is being delivered now, are uninformed and full of fear. That is what we are being warned about by you. You're in fear and refuse help. You've become the thing you despised. The GOP needs to get on the show Intervention, it is dying!

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The numbers don't lie guys! It ain't about racism. Keep telling yourselves that. Go talk to a few seniors. See what they say. Talk to some unpartisan independant moderates. Obama is losing these folks by the millions, and only you blinders-on idiots seem to take no notice.


God it's gonna be great saying-I TOLD YOU SO! Make no mistake about it, I'm going to quote this exact post and laugh in your smug moronic faces! BIG TIME!!!



Riffy



This is the message translated: I will tell you what to do, b/c that's what I was told, not that I did it... but I act like I did and remark how well read, smart and informed I am, I'm not an eleitist elitist or authoritarian. I know people, I know things, I have insiders and I'm different that you. You're an idiot who follows the herd, so do what I say... it's different when I say it!!!!
I'm already preparing to point out all failures, real or just b/c I say so, and I will make you feel bad and laugh at you. Because that is the only thing that gets me through the pain, pointing out how wrong others arel, I've been a jerk since day one saying I told you so and you're wrong. This justifies my hate and gets me through one more day of my miserable life, of knowing everything, and not being happy. This is how I persue happiness, bymaking others suffer and feel bad. Nothing in the constitution that says I can't be a dick, go read it, IDIOT!!!

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jostorm wrote on Sep 18th, 2009 at 3:54am:
Paranoid Android wrote on Sep 17th, 2009 at 11:16pm:
Some of my friends at the TEA PARTY the other day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y&feature=player_embedded


That was the scariest movie I've ever watched, PA, it puts even "The Shining" in the shade. Were those "normal Americans"? Here in England they would be sectioned under the Mental Health Act.

Poignant how most of them actually were not even articulate enough to explain to the reporter what the bill was about, or where they felt the taxes were being raised unfairly, they come across as mentally unbalanced sheep... Scary!

Oh no! not you again

Yes it is scary, Jo!  I have a few coworkers, who may not be quite that stupid mind you-but nonetheless-you can't even have a logical "discussion" with them about the problems in America.  No problem or relationship for that matter will get the quality time it deserves when people can only see black and white.


Even scarier, is Glen Beck is putting out a book, called arguing with idiots, to give these uniformed a tool to argue the misinformation... see they want an argument, and they want to appear smart. What happens when an idiot wins a fight? They are still an idiot, then we have what we had for 8 years in america. they are not bright, so they haven't figured out you need a message. When you lose to impotent democrats, you're fucked up. When all you can do is yell and make up lies to try to get some power back, you're officially done!
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Pdog wrote on Sep 18th, 2009 at 6:07am:
PartyDoll MEG wrote on Sep 18th, 2009 at 5:00am:
jostorm wrote on Sep 18th, 2009 at 3:54am:
Paranoid Android wrote on Sep 17th, 2009 at 11:16pm:
Some of my friends at the TEA PARTY the other day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y&feature=player_embedded


That was the scariest movie I've ever watched, PA, it puts even "The Shining" in the shade. Were those "normal Americans"? Here in England they would be sectioned under the Mental Health Act.

Poignant how most of them actually were not even articulate enough to explain to the reporter what the bill was about, or where they felt the taxes were being raised unfairly, they come across as mentally unbalanced sheep... Scary!

Oh no! not you again

Yes it is scary, Jo!  I have a few coworkers, who may not be quite that stupid mind you-but nonetheless-you can't even have a logical "discussion" with them about the problems in America.  No problem or relationship for that matter will get the quality time it deserves when people can only see black and white.


Even scarier, is Glen Beck is putting out a book, called arguing with idiots, to give these uniformed a tool to argue the misinformation... see they want an argument, and they want to appear smart. What happens when an idiot wins a fight? They are still an idiot, then we have what we had for 8 years in america. they are not bright, so they haven't figured out you need a message. When you lose to impotent democrats, you're fucked up. When all you can do is yell and make up lies to try to get some power back, you're officially done!




Okay Pdog. You're so brilliant. I mean nobody has to tell you what to say, or how to say it, right?

Then perhaps you explain to me just exactly how Barack Obama and his band of idiots in the House and Senate are going to slash billions from Medicare yet they are going to offer "better" coverage! There will be no rationing, yet billions of dollars are to be cut in funding. Oh, and let's not forget that he also wants to add an estimated 50,000,000 more people onto a government plan. Since you're damned brilliant perhaps you can explain just how the hell he plans on doing that? Because, to date, he hasn't explained it worth a fuck!


And while you're at it maybe you can peruse this poll conducted last week from IBD/TIPP and try and explain how all these doctors are a bunch of racists, and Glenn Beck idiots.


Here's a clue-the idiots are the ones that are still defending the worst president in US history!


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Here, have fun with this--->

The IBD/TIPP Poll was conducted by mail the past two weeks, with 1,376 practicing physicians chosen randomly throughout the country taking part. Responses are still coming in, and doctors' positions on related topics — including the impact of an overhaul on senior care, medical school applications and drug development — will be covered later in this series.

Major findings included:

• Two-thirds, or 65%, of doctors say they oppose the proposed government expansion plan. This contradicts the administration's claims that doctors are part of an "unprecedented coalition" supporting a medical overhaul.

It also differs with findings of a poll released Monday by National Public Radio that suggests a "majority of physicians want public and private insurance options," and clashes with media reports such as Tuesday's front-page story in the Los Angeles Times with the headline "Doctors Go For Obama's Reform."

Nowhere in the Times story does it say doctors as a whole back the overhaul. It says only that the AMA — the "association representing the nation's physicians" and what "many still regard as the country's premier lobbying force" — is "lobbying and advertising to win public support for President Obama's sweeping plan."

The AMA, in fact, represents approximately 18% of physicians and has been hit with a number of defections by members opposed to the AMA's support of Democrats' proposed health care overhaul.

• Four of nine doctors, or 45%, said they "would consider leaving their practice or taking an early retirement" if Congress passes the plan the Democratic majority and White House have in mind.

More than 800,000 doctors were practicing in 2006, the government says. Projecting the poll's finding onto that population, 360,000 doctors would consider quitting.

• More than seven in 10 doctors, or 71% — the most lopsided response in the poll — answered "no" when asked if they believed "the government can cover 47 million more people and that it will cost less money and the quality of care will be better."
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I have a question for the Obama supporters.
And since some of you like to throw out questions to Riffy and Nanky all the time and gloat about their supposed "non-response", I'd REALLY like some answers.

How are we going to pay off this:

$11,834,150,622,586.81..the national debt as of 09/18/09??? Is that 11 TRILLION dollars???

I acknowledge that Bush ran up debt.

Obama promised change. I didn't think he was referring to what THE UNITED STATES DOLLAR WOULD BE WORTH AFTER HE'S DONE WITH HIS MASSIVE SPENDING!!!

For the past 18 months I have been forced to live without credit cards. It HAS NOT easy but I'm managing. I'm living within my means; and it feels GREAT. Therefore, I'm very sensitive to this issue and it worries me to see the debt going up with no end in sight.

So, without calling me names or bringing race into the issue, can any of you give me an answer?
HOW ARE BE EVER GOING TO PAY OFF THIS DEBT?????

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Reply #7471 - Sep 18th, 2009 at 7:57am
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By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, September 18, 2009

You lie? No. Barack Obama doesn't lie. He's too subtle for that. He . . . well, you judge.

Herewith three examples within a single speech -- the now-famous Obama-Wilson "you lie" address to Congress on health care -- of Obama's relationship with truth.

(1) "I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits -- either now or in the future," he solemnly pledged. "I will not sign it if it adds one dime to the deficit, now or in the future. Period."

Wonderful. The president seems serious, veto-ready, determined to hold the line. Until, notes Harvard economist Greg Mankiw, you get to Obama's very next sentence: "And to prove that I'm serious, there will be a provision in this plan that requires us to come forward with more spending cuts if the savings we promised don't materialize."

This apparent strengthening of the pledge brilliantly and deceptively undermines it. What Obama suggests is that his plan will require mandatory spending cuts if the current rosy projections prove false. But there's absolutely nothing automatic about such cuts. Every Congress is sovereign. Nothing enacted today will force a future Congress or a future president to make any cuts in any spending, mandatory or not.

Just look at the supposedly automatic Medicare cuts contained in the Sustainable Growth Rate formula enacted to constrain out-of-control Medicare spending. Every year since 2003, Congress has waived the cuts.

Mankiw puts the Obama bait-and-switch in plain language. "Translation: I promise to fix the problem. And if I do not fix the problem now, I will fix it later, or some future president will, after I am long gone. I promise he will. Absolutely, positively, I am committed to that future president fixing the problem. You can count on it. Would I lie to you?"

(2) And then there's the famous contretemps about health insurance for illegal immigrants. Obama said they would not be insured. Well, all four committee-passed bills in Congress allow illegal immigrants to take part in the proposed Health Insurance Exchange.

But more important, the problem is that laws are not self-enforcing. If they were, we'd have no illegal immigrants because, as I understand it, it's illegal to enter the United States illegally. We have laws against burglary, too. But we also provide for cops and jails on the assumption that most burglars don't voluntarily turn themselves in.

When Republicans proposed requiring proof of citizenship, the Democrats twice voted that down in committee. Indeed, after Rep. Joe Wilson's "You lie!" shout-out, the Senate Finance Committee revisited the language of its bill to prevent illegal immigrants from getting any federal benefits. Why would the Finance Committee fix a nonexistent problem?

(3) Obama said he would largely solve the insoluble cost problem of Obamacare by eliminating "hundreds of billions of dollars in waste and fraud" from Medicare.

That's not a lie. That's not even deception. That's just an insult to our intelligence. Waste, fraud and abuse -- Meg Greenfield once called this phrase "the dread big three" -- as the all-purpose piggy bank for budget savings has been a joke since Jimmy Carter first used it in 1977.

Moreover, if half a trillion is waiting to be squeezed painlessly out of Medicare, why wait for health-care reform? If, as Obama repeatedly insists, Medicare overspending is breaking the budget, why hasn't he gotten started on the painless billions in "waste and fraud" savings?

Obama doesn't lie. He merely elides, gliding from one dubious assertion to another. This has been the story throughout his whole health-care crusade. Its original premise was that our current financial crisis was rooted in neglect of three things -- energy, education and health care. That transparent attempt to exploit Emanuel's Law -- a crisis is a terrible thing to waste -- failed for health care because no one is stupid enough to believe that the 2008 financial collapse was caused by a lack of universal health care.

So on to the next gambit: selling health-care reform as a cure for the deficit. When that was exploded by the Congressional Budget Office's demonstration of staggering Obamacare deficits, Obama tried a new tack: selling his plan as revenue-neutral insurance reform -- until the revenue neutrality is exposed as phony future cuts and chimerical waste and fraud.

Obama doesn't lie. He implies, he misdirects, he misleads -- so fluidly and incessantly that he risks transmuting eloquence into mere slickness.

Slickness wasn't fatal to "Slick Willie" Clinton because he possessed a winning, nearly irresistible charm. Obama's persona is more cool, distant, imperial. The charming scoundrel can get away with endless deception; the righteous redeemer cannot.

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Reply #7472 - Sep 18th, 2009 at 8:00am
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Riffhard wrote on Sep 18th, 2009 at 6:27am:
Pdog wrote on Sep 18th, 2009 at 6:07am:
PartyDoll MEG wrote on Sep 18th, 2009 at 5:00am:
jostorm wrote on Sep 18th, 2009 at 3:54am:
Paranoid Android wrote on Sep 17th, 2009 at 11:16pm:
Some of my friends at the TEA PARTY the other day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y&feature=player_embedded


That was the scariest movie I've ever watched, PA, it puts even "The Shining" in the shade. Were those "normal Americans"? Here in England they would be sectioned under the Mental Health Act.

Poignant how most of them actually were not even articulate enough to explain to the reporter what the bill was about, or where they felt the taxes were being raised unfairly, they come across as mentally unbalanced sheep... Scary!

Oh no! not you again

Yes it is scary, Jo!  I have a few coworkers, who may not be quite that stupid mind you-but nonetheless-you can't even have a logical "discussion" with them about the problems in America.  No problem or relationship for that matter will get the quality time it deserves when people can only see black and white.


Even scarier, is Glen Beck is putting out a book, called arguing with idiots, to give these uniformed a tool to argue the misinformation... see they want an argument, and they want to appear smart. What happens when an idiot wins a fight? They are still an idiot, then we have what we had for 8 years in america. they are not bright, so they haven't figured out you need a message. When you lose to impotent democrats, you're fucked up. When all you can do is yell and make up lies to try to get some power back, you're officially done!




Okay Pdog. You're so brilliant. I mean nobody has to tell you what to say, or how to say it, right?

Then perhaps you explain to me just exactly how Barack Obama and his band of idiots in the House and Senate are going to slash billions from Medicare yet they are going to offer "better" coverage! There will be no rationing, yet billions of dollars are to be cut in funding. Oh, and let's not forget that he also wants to add an estimated 50,000,000 more people onto a government plan. Since you're damned brilliant perhaps you can explain just how the hell he plans on doing that? Because, to date, he hasn't explained it worth a fuck!


And while you're at it maybe you can peruse this poll conducted last week from IBD/TIPP and try and explain how all these doctors are a bunch of racists, and Glenn Beck idiots.


Here's a clue-the idiots are the ones that are still defending the worst president in US history!


Riffy


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Here, have fun with this--->

The IBD/TIPP Poll was conducted by mail the past two weeks, with 1,376 practicing physicians chosen randomly throughout the country taking part. Responses are still coming in, and doctors' positions on related topics — including the impact of an overhaul on senior care, medical school applications and drug development — will be covered later in this series.

Major findings included:

• Two-thirds, or 65%, of doctors say they oppose the proposed government expansion plan. This contradicts the administration's claims that doctors are part of an "unprecedented coalition" supporting a medical overhaul.

It also differs with findings of a poll released Monday by National Public Radio that suggests a "majority of physicians want public and private insurance options," and clashes with media reports such as Tuesday's front-page story in the Los Angeles Times with the headline "Doctors Go For Obama's Reform."

Nowhere in the Times story does it say doctors as a whole back the overhaul. It says only that the AMA — the "association representing the nation's physicians" and what "many still regard as the country's premier lobbying force" — is "lobbying and advertising to win public support for President Obama's sweeping plan."

The AMA, in fact, represents approximately 18% of physicians and has been hit with a number of defections by members opposed to the AMA's support of Democrats' proposed health care overhaul.

• Four of nine doctors, or 45%, said they "would consider leaving their practice or taking an early retirement" if Congress passes the plan the Democratic majority and White House have in mind.

More than 800,000 doctors were practicing in 2006, the government says. Projecting the poll's finding onto that population, 360,000 doctors would consider quitting.

• More than seven in 10 doctors, or 71% — the most lopsided response in the poll — answered "no" when asked if they believed "the government can cover 47 million more people and that it will cost less money and the quality of care will be better."



This si where you're wrong and your sarcasm and authoritarian stance doesn't serve you. I'm not going to tell you how they can do it, b/c I don't see a funding solution. That is the problem, we can't fund this, the wars couldn't be funed ect... we create tons of things we can't fund. That's why we're in debt. You beleive the war was neccesary, despite not having the cash to pay for it.... but we did it, and we are in debt. I see this the same way, as you saw that, the need outweighs that... So, we have something that I see as a threat to my and we need a solution. You have no healthcare solution, just lies. And you get nothing more from me, b/c I don't claim to be able to pay or fix this. I don't buy your lies, and I don't like the way you presnt your case. Nuff said!
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Reply #7473 - Sep 18th, 2009 at 8:04am
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LadyJane wrote on Sep 18th, 2009 at 7:07am:
I have a question for the Obama supporters.
And since some of you like to throw out questions to Riffy and Nanky all the time and gloat about their supposed "non-response", I'd REALLY like some answers.

How are we going to pay off this:

$11,834,150,622,586.81..the national debt as of 09/18/09??? Is that 11 TRILLION dollars???

I acknowledge that Bush ran up debt.

Obama promised change. I didn't think he was referring to what THE UNITED STATES DOLLAR WOULD BE WORTH AFTER HE'S DONE WITH HIS MASSIVE SPENDING!!!

For the past 18 months I have been forced to live without credit cards. It HAS NOT easy but I'm managing. I'm living within my means; and it feels GREAT. Therefore, I'm very sensitive to this issue and it worries me to see the debt going up with no end in sight.

So, without calling me names or bringing race into the issue, can any of you give me an answer?
HOW ARE BE EVER GOING TO PAY OFF THIS DEBT?????

LJ.


We aren't LJ... the system of the IRS, the FEd Reserve is set up that we never pay off debt, and that banks loan us our own money. The only thing that the govt. decides it the bottom line numbers and where we spend it... it will never be paid off, only increase... banks are the special intrest group that infilitrated our govt. that is and what our founding fathers warned us against, and it is a non- partisan issue. Greedy men of all political sides took part in this, and it was slow and calcualted.... most beleive it is to have an end goal of one currency for the planet, controlled by a select powerful few.
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Reply #7474 - Sep 18th, 2009 at 8:15am
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LadyJane wrote on Sep 18th, 2009 at 7:07am:
I have a question for the Obama supporters.
And since some of you like to throw out questions to Riffy and Nanky all the time and gloat about their supposed "non-response", I'd REALLY like some answers.

How are we going to pay off this:

$11,834,150,622,586.81..the national debt as of 09/18/09??? Is that 11 TRILLION dollars???

I acknowledge that Bush ran up debt.

Obama promised change. I didn't think he was referring to what THE UNITED STATES DOLLAR WOULD BE WORTH AFTER HE'S DONE WITH HIS MASSIVE SPENDING!!!

For the past 18 months I have been forced to live without credit cards. It HAS NOT easy but I'm managing. I'm living within my means; and it feels GREAT. Therefore, I'm very sensitive to this issue and it worries me to see the debt going up with no end in sight.

So, without calling me names or bringing race into the issue, can any of you give me an answer?
HOW ARE BE EVER GOING TO PAY OFF THIS DEBT?????

LJ.



The whole point of a public option is to take a portion of health care away from Wall St influence. The public option can be administered at a fraction of the cost of private insurance.

The "change" Obama spoke of isn't about taking this country down, it's about making the govt work for everybody. If you were to lose your job, wouldn't you at least feel peace of mind that you would have your medical needs (if any) taken care of? And if not about you, what about millions of families? Every other 1st world country is able to accomplish this, we can too.

Bush's debt didn't help out most Americans, but all Americans are paying on his debt.
Obama's debt is DIRECTLY helping most Americans, even if you decide to stay with your current health plan, your kids may need the public option at some point in the future.

I have little doubt that health care reform will add to the debt, but it's money spent for making American's secure.

The arguments against health care reform (death panels, etc) tells me that the opposition doesn't have legitimate concerns to bring to the table, so I ignore them and support what I believe will help the "have-nots".
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