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Question: What item is most likely found in the top drawer of Riffy's dresser?

naked pictures of Reagan    
  5 (20.0%)
Barry O voodoo doll    
  3 (12.0%)
Hoffa's body    
  2 (8.0%)
DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
  1 (4.0%)
JC's boss's phone number    
  2 (8.0%)
bucket of chicken    
  5 (20.0%)
three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
  3 (12.0%)
"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
  4 (16.0%)




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Perhaps it's just "pre-9/11 thinking," but I consider being hauled out of your home and held in jail for a crime you had nothing to do with to be having your "liberty directly violated in some harmful obtrusive way that brought pain or suffering."
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Brainbell Jangler wrote on Sep 13th, 2009 at 5:53pm:
Perhaps it's just "pre-9/11 thinking," but I consider being hauled out of your home and held in jail for a crime you had nothing to do with to be having your "liberty directly violated in some harmful obtrusive way that brought pain or suffering."
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Reply #7277 - Sep 13th, 2009 at 6:13pm
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Riffhard wrote on Sep 13th, 2009 at 6:01pm:
Brainbell Jangler wrote on Sep 13th, 2009 at 5:53pm:
Perhaps it's just "pre-9/11 thinking," but I consider being hauled out of your home and held in jail for a crime you had nothing to do with to be having your "liberty directly violated in some harmful obtrusive way that brought pain or suffering."
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Obama sucks!


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Obama?  Obama is President; false imprisonment sucks!  You still haven't explained George III (much less Brandon Mayfield)!  chirp chirp chirp
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Reply #7278 - Sep 13th, 2009 at 6:25pm
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Actually, I think this would make a better, new avatar for Riffy

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Reply #7279 - Sep 13th, 2009 at 6:31pm
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Riffy,
In case you've forgotten the question, here it is again:
If Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams and George Washington were "right-wing extremists," as you assert via t-shirt, what would that make King George III?  Please explain.
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Hey BJ let me ask you a serious question.

We know that Obama served as a community organizer, and helped school the thugs that work at ACORN. We also know that he handed out hundreds of copies of Rules For Radicals as a "training tool" for these thugs. We also know that ACORN is under federal investigation in 14 states for crimes ranging from voter fraud to racketeering. So the question is this. Why would Barry's Marxist Stimulus Plan include funding of upwards of eight billion dollars for ACORN? That's right, I said EIGHT BILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!! Why do you think that that is a good idea?


Also, I was wondering what you thought about the ACORN thugs and criminals trying to help that couple that posed as a pimp and prostitute with acquiring an ACORN sponsored home loan? You know about it, right? This happened a few days ago, and the thugs that work at ACORN were trying to help secure a home loan for these undercover reporters (obviously these two people did not work for the main stream Obama cock sucking media). Anywho, the two undercover reporters told the ACORN crook that they were going to fly upwards of twenty under age girls from Guatemala to "turn tricks" out of this house.



Obama sucks! He is the most corrupt president of all time, and I know that when the Republicans regain the White House in 2012 that they immediately start an investigation in to his cronyism and political corruption. The Republican White House may not instigate the investigation, but I would bet my last dollar that the Republican Senate and House will!




In case you haven't haven't seen what these thugs and criminals that Obama used to represent, here it is.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2elBhIf2P0




Obama sucks!




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Reply #7281 - Sep 13th, 2009 at 7:06pm
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Riffhard wrote on Sep 13th, 2009 at 6:36pm:
Hey BJ let me ask you a serious question.

We know that Obama served as a community organizer, and helped school the thugs that work at ACORN. We also know that he handed out hundreds of copies of Rules For Radicals as a "training tool" for these thugs. We also know that ACORN is under federal investigation in 14 states for crimes ranging from voter fraud to racketeering. So the question is this. Why would Barry's Marxist Stimulus Plan include funding of upwards of eight billion dollars for ACORN? That's right, I said EIGHT BILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!! Why do you think that that is a good idea?


Also, I was wondering what you thought about the ACORN thugs and criminals trying to help that couple that posed as a pimp and prostitute with acquiring an ACORN sponsored home loan? You know about it, right? This happened a few days ago, and the thugs that work at ACORN were trying to help secure a home loan for these undercover reporters (obviously these two people did not work for the main stream Obama cock sucking media). Anywho, the two undercover reporters told the ACORN crook that they were going to fly upwards of twenty under age girls from Guatemala to "turn tricks" out of this house.



Obama sucks! He is the most corrupt president of all time, and I know that when the Republicans regain the White House in 2012 that they immediately start an investigation in to his cronyism and political corruption. The Republican White House may not instigate the investigation, but I would bet my last dollar that the Republican Senate and House will!




In case you haven't haven't seen what these thugs and criminals that Obama used to represent, here it is.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2elBhIf2P0




Obama sucks!




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ACORN bothers me, Whitewater should bother you!!! What were you sucking for 8 years?
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Reply #7282 - Sep 13th, 2009 at 7:09pm
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Riffhard wrote on Sep 13th, 2009 at 5:18pm:
Bottom line. Obama sucks! Everyone knows it except for some small minded drones, and hard leftist types. 2010 is going to be a big lesson to all of you. Obama is done after one term, and I'd be willing to wager a C note on that right now! Any takers? I'll take any, and all of you on right now! Bring it!


The AMA is not a union per se, but only 35% of all medical doctors are members, and they are in fact cooperating with Obama for political gain and nothing more, just like unions are. My doctor is also a personal friend of mine, and he tells me that every single physician that he deals with is petrified of Barry's power grabbing schemes! Bush was one trillion time the president that this Marxist fuck is! Deal with it drones!


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fuman wrote on Sep 13th, 2009 at 5:42pm:
I found this on one of my many Godless sites:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6173399/Charles-Darwi...

Charles Darwin film 'too controversial for religious America'

. . . . However, US distributors have resolutely passed on a film which will prove hugely divisive in a country where, according to a Gallup poll conducted in February, only 39 per cent of Americans believe in the theory of evolution.


39% ? Much more than I would have expected.



That same 39% beleive Global warming/ climate change is gods way of bringing the end of days so his angels can take us back to heaven...
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Reply #7284 - Sep 13th, 2009 at 7:14pm
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Riffhard wrote on Sep 13th, 2009 at 6:36pm:
Hey BJ let me ask you a serious question.

We know that Obama served as a community organizer, and helped school the thugs that work at ACORN. We also know that he handed out hundreds of copies of Rules For Radicals as a "training tool" for these thugs. We also know that ACORN is under federal investigation in 14 states for crimes ranging from voter fraud to racketeering. So the question is this. Why would Barry's Marxist Stimulus Plan include funding of upwards of eight billion dollars for ACORN? That's right, I said EIGHT BILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!! Why do you think that that is a good idea?


Also, I was wondering what you thought about the ACORN thugs and criminals trying to help that couple that posed as a pimp and prostitute with acquiring an ACORN sponsored home loan? You know about it, right? This happened a few days ago, and the thugs that work at ACORN were trying to help secure a home loan for these undercover reporters (obviously these two people did not work for the main stream Obama cock sucking media). Anywho, the two undercover reporters told the ACORN crook that they were going to fly upwards of twenty under age girls from Guatemala to "turn tricks" out of this house.



Obama sucks! He is the most corrupt president of all time, and I know that when the Republicans regain the White House in 2012 that they immediately start an investigation in to his cronyism and political corruption. The Republican White House may not instigate the investigation, but I would bet my last dollar that the Republican Senate and House will!




In case you haven't haven't seen what these thugs and criminals that Obama used to represent, here it is.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2elBhIf2P0




Obama sucks!




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This is Riffy's I got rifuted, so i'll change the subject to something that is based on two employees who acted fucked up on their own behalf...
Riffy, have you noticed, you're the only one being hostile and no one is attacking you or calling names? That means it is you... and you're getting your ass handed to you by Brainbell, JC and Fuman non stop... and they aren't being dickish either.
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8 years, dude.


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Reply #7287 - Sep 13th, 2009 at 8:27pm
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Riffhard wrote on Sep 13th, 2009 at 6:36pm:
Hey BJ let me ask you a serious question.

We know that Obama served as a community organizer, and helped school the thugs that work at ACORN. We also know that he handed out hundreds of copies of Rules For Radicals as a "training tool" for these thugs. We also know that ACORN is under federal investigation in 14 states for crimes ranging from voter fraud to racketeering. So the question is this. Why would Barry's Marxist Stimulus Plan include funding of upwards of eight billion dollars for ACORN? That's right, I said EIGHT BILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!! Why do you think that that is a good idea?

Also, I was wondering what you thought about the ACORN thugs and criminals trying to help that couple that posed as a pimp and prostitute with acquiring an ACORN sponsored home loan? You know about it, right? This happened a few days ago, and the thugs that work at ACORN were trying to help secure a home loan for these undercover reporters (obviously these two people did not work for the main stream Obama cock sucking media). Anywho, the two undercover reporters told the ACORN crook that they were going to fly upwards of twenty under age girls from Guatemala to "turn tricks" out of this house.

Obama sucks! He is the most corrupt president of all time, and I know that when the Republicans regain the White House in 2012 that they immediately start an investigation in to his cronyism and political corruption. The Republican White House may not instigate the investigation, but I would bet my last dollar that the Republican Senate and House will!

In case you haven't haven't seen what these thugs and criminals that Obama used to represent, here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2elBhIf2P0

Obama sucks!


Riffy



Voter registration fraud, not voter fraud, right? Pretty big distinction. You've acknowledged this in the past, but still try to pass it by.

I doubt that any of this registration BS is significant compared to the old tried and true tricks being done by both parties in county after county across America, padding ballot boxes.

I understand your distrust of government. But I feel mine peak when the GOP is in charge. Every time. Even Reagan's admin.
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And then the coins, or an Obama 3 dollar bill.
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Riffhard wrote on Sep 13th, 2009 at 6:36pm:
Hey BJ let me ask you a serious question.

We know that Obama served as a community organizer, and helped school the thugs that work at ACORN. We also know that he handed out hundreds of copies of Rules For Radicals as a "training tool" for these thugs. We also know that ACORN is under federal investigation in 14 states for crimes ranging from voter fraud to racketeering. So the question is this. Why would Barry's Marxist Stimulus Plan include funding of upwards of eight billion dollars for ACORN? That's right, I said EIGHT BILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!! Why do you think that that is a good idea?


Also, I was wondering what you thought about the ACORN thugs and criminals trying to help that couple that posed as a pimp and prostitute with acquiring an ACORN sponsored home loan? You know about it, right? This happened a few days ago, and the thugs that work at ACORN were trying to help secure a home loan for these undercover reporters (obviously these two people did not work for the main stream Obama cock sucking media). Anywho, the two undercover reporters told the ACORN crook that they were going to fly upwards of twenty under age girls from Guatemala to "turn tricks" out of this house.



Obama sucks! He is the most corrupt president of all time, and I know that when the Republicans regain the White House in 2012 that they immediately start an investigation in to his cronyism and political corruption. The Republican White House may not instigate the investigation, but I would bet my last dollar that the Republican Senate and House will!




In case you haven't haven't seen what these thugs and criminals that Obama used to represent, here it is.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2elBhIf2P0




Obama sucks!




Riffy


This is Riffy's I got rifuted, so i'll change the subject to something that is based on two employees who acted fucked up on their own behalf...
Riffy, have you noticed, you're the only one being hostile and no one is attacking you or calling names? That means it is you... and you're getting your ass handed to you by Brainbell, JC and Fuman non stop... and they aren't being dickish either.


This ACORN employee looks real bad, but now we'll never know how she would have proceeded. I just saw 15 seconds or so, and none of the Fox commentary, so I don't know if the lady kept her mouth shut for weeks while the paperwork was being processed or what.

Who wouldn't turn the criminals in? Hard to fathom . . .

However, I can understand the leap Riffi makes here. If I had a distrust for say, um, Haliburton. And then Haliburton got no bid contracts worth BILLIONS, I would assume I was correct in my assumption. And add to that the deadly cost cutting work performed under this contract, and soldiers start getting electrocuted. Infuriating.
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All the ACORN employees involved in this criminality have been fired.  CNN reports that the couple who set this up tried the same thing at Philadelphia's ACORN office but were reported to police.  I don't suppose Hannity mentioned that.  Meanwhile, articles like this one describe the real stakes of the health care debate:

The Body Count at Home

by Nicholas D. Kristof (New York Times)

In the debate over health care, here's an inequity to ponder:  Nikki White would have been far better off if only she had been a convicted bank robber.

Nikki was a slim and athletic college graduate who had health insurance, had worked in health care and knew the system.  But she had systemic lupus erythematosus, a chronic inflammatory disease that was diagnosed when she was 21 and gradually left her too sick to work.  And once she lost her job, she lost her health insurance.

In any other rich country, Nikki probably would have been fine, notes T. R. Reid in his important and powerful new book, "The Healing of America."  Some 80 percent of lupus patients in the United States live a normal life span.  Under a doctor's care, lupus should be manageable.  Indeed, if Nikki had been a felon, the problem could have been averted, because courts have ruled that prisoners are entitled to medical care.

As Mr. Reid recounts, Nikki tried everything to get medical care, but no insurance company would accept someone with her pre-existing condition.  She spent months painfully writing letters to anyone she thought might  be able to help.  She fought tenaciously for her life.

Finally, Nikki collapsed at her home in Tennessee and was rushed to a hospital emergency room, which was required to treat her without payment until her condition stabilized.  Since money was no longer an issue, the hospital performed 25 emergency surgeries on Nikki, and she spent six months in critical care.

"When Nikki showed up at the emergency room, she received the best of care, and the hospital spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on her," her step-father, Tony Deal, told me.  "But that's not when she needed the care."

By then it was too late.  In 2006, Nikki White died at age 32.  "Nikki didn't die from lupus," her doctor, Amylyn Crawford, told Mr. Reid.  "Nikki died from complications of the failing American health system."

"She fell through the cracks," Nikki's mother, Gail Deal, told me grimly:  "When you bury a child, it's the worst thing in the world.  You never recover."

We now have a chance to reform this cruel and capricious system.  If we let that chance slip away, there will be another Nikki dying every half-hour.

That's how often someone dies in America because of a lack of insurance, according to a study by a branch of the National Academy of Sciences.  Over a year, that amounts to 18,000 American deaths.

After Al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 Americans, eight years ago on Friday, we went to war and spent hundreds of billions of dollars ensuring that this would not happen again.  Yet every two months, that many people die because of our failure to provide universal insurance--and yet many members of Congress want us to do nothing?

Mr. Reid's book is a rich tour of health care around the world.  Because he has a bum shoulder, he asked doctors in many countries to examine it and make recommendations.  His American orthopedist recommended a titanium shoulder replacement that would cost tens of thousands of dollars and might or might not help.  Specialists in other countries warned that a sore shoulder didn't justify the risks of such major surgery, although some said it would be available free if Mr. Reid insisted.  Instead, they offered physical therapy, acupuncture and other cheap and noninvasive alternatives, some of which worked pretty well.

That's a window into the flaws in our health care system:  we offer titanium shoulder replacements for those who don't really need them, but we let 32-year-old women die if they lose their health insurance.  No wonder we spend so much on medical care, and yet have some health care statistics that are worse than Slovenia's.

My suggestion for anyone in Nikki's situation:  commit a crime and get locked up.  In Washington State, a 20-year-old inmate named Melissa Matthews chose to turn down parole and stay in prison because that was the only way she could get treatment for her cervical cancer.  "If I'm out, I'm going to die from this cancer," she told a television station.

Mr. and Mrs. Deal said they are speaking out because Nikki wouldn't want anyone to endure what she did.  "Nikki was a college-educated, middle-class woman, and if it could happen to her, it can happen to anyone," Mr. Deal said.  "This should not be happening in our country." 

Struggling to get out the words, Mrs. Deal added:  "The loss of a child is the greatest hurt anyone will ever suffer.  Because of the circumstances she endured with the health care system, I lost my daughter."

Complex arguments are being batted around in this health care debate, but the central issue isn't technical but moral.  The first question is simply this:  Do we wish to be the only rich nation in the world that lets a 32-year-old woman die because she can't get health insurance?  Is that really us?
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Firstly that article that you posted BJ is typical of the left's argument about health care. To wit, because we can show you one or two isolated cases in which a person is being screwed over that means that we should go ahead and scrap the entire system that we have. Sorry, that isn't going to fly. Fix the problem, reform health care absolutely, but don't ever allow the government to get their greedy power hungry hands on it!! NEVER!!! If you'd like I can post article after article about state run health care in every nation stupid enough to adopt screwing over hundreds of patients. Take a look at the UK's tax code and correlate that with their health care program. You will find that that nation is going broke trying to keep up with the insane costs involved, and cases of governmental abuse, and corruption are rampant! The UK isn't even a third the size of the USA, yet you "nationalize health care" types can't be bothered with facts or history to sway your ridiculous argument.


On to another topic. How is it that you Barry supporters seemingly have no problem whatsoever ignoring the pattern of behaviour that all of the groups and people that Barry associates with engage in? You make excuses for the likes of Reverend Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Khalidi, and  on, and on, and on. You excuse ACORN by laughingly assuring that these "two employees were fired", yet you ignore the rampant corruption and thuggish history of the entire organization dating back years. I mean FFS they are under federal investigation in 13 other states right now for voter fraud and extortion! Not that Holder will ever pursue these charges. Barry has no doubt told him to drop  any investigation, just like he did with the Black Panthers who engaged in blatant, and open voter intimidation.  Every single person or organization that Barack Obama has associated himself with throughout his entire life has been very hard left. Radically hard left in fact. The media claimed that the right wing was engaging in "guilt by association", and they happily ignored any and all stories that proved that Barry was/is a radical fuck that has some serious issues with his own country's history and traditions. None of those FACTS bother any of you. Why? Because this is about political one upmanship to you guys and gals.


Funny how you guys all happily ignore what you don't want to debate. I can guarantee you that had any Republican nominee had even one radical association with say a KKK member, or a white supremacist leader you would have been all over it! Rightly so, I might add. However, you suspend judgement when it comes to Barry associating himself with hard left well known antisemitics, or bomb throwing domestic terrorists. So far in own cabinet he has hired a former member of The Communist Party USA, and The Socialist Party USA. Both of these czars quit their memberships in these fine organizations only after Barry tapped them for their czar appointments!!! These people are just fine with you! I mean we can't very well judge Barack Obama by his friends and associates, can we? It's totally unfair to judge a man by the company he keeps. Right? LOL!!!!!!!! I mean why the hell would anyone in their right mind not want this man in charge of a full 20% of the US economy? You people are flat out nuts!!!



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Firstly that article that you posted BJ is typical of the left's argument about health care. To wit, because we can show you one or two isolated cases in which a person is being screwed over that means that we should go ahead and scrap the entire system that we have. Sorry, that isn't going to fly. Fix the problem, reform health care absolutely, but don't ever allow the government to get their greedy power hungry hands on it!! NEVER!!! If you'd like I can post article after article about state run health care in every nation stupid enough to adopt screwing over hundreds of patients. Take a look at the UK's tax code and correlate that with their health care program. You will find that that nation is going broke trying to keep up with the insane costs involved, and cases of governmental abuse, and corruption are rampant! The UK isn't even a third the size of the USA, yet you "nationalize health care" types can't be bothered with facts or history to sway your ridiculous argument.


On to another topic. How is it that you Barry supporters seemingly have no problem whatsoever ignoring the pattern of behaviour that all of the groups and people that Barry associates with engage in? You make excuses for the likes of Reverend Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Khalidi, and  on, and on, and on. You excuse ACORN by laughingly assuring that these "two employees were fired", yet you ignore the rampant corruption and thuggish history of the entire organization dating back years. I mean FFS they are under federal investigation in 13 other states right now for voter fraud and extortion! Not that Holder will ever pursue these charges. Barry has no doubt told him to drop  any investigation, just like he did with the Black Panthers who engaged in blatant, and open voter intimidation.  Every single person or organization that Barack Obama has associated himself with throughout his entire life has been very hard left. Radically hard left in fact. The media claimed that the right wing was engaging in "guilt by association", and they happily ignored any and all stories that proved that Barry was/is a radical fuck that has some serious issues with his own country's history and traditions. None of those FACTS bother any of you. Why? Because this is about political one upmanship to you guys and gals.


Funny how you guys all happily ignore what you don't want to debate. I can guarantee you that had any Republican nominee had even one radical association with say a KKK member, or a white supremacist leader you would have been all over it! Rightly so, I might add. However, you suspend judgement when it comes to Barry associating himself with hard left well known antisemitics, or bomb throwing domestic terrorists. So far in own cabinet he has hired a former member of The Communist Party USA, and The Socialist Party USA. Both of these czars quit their memberships in these fine organizations only after Barry tapped them for their czar appointments!!! These people are just fine with you! I mean we can't very well judge Barack Obama by his friends and associates, can we? It's totally unfair to judge a man by the company he keeps. Right? LOL!!!!!!!! I mean why the hell would anyone in their right mind not want this man in charge of a full 20% of the US economy? You people are flat out nuts!!!



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"I can post article after article about state run health care"
Why don't you post some then? Pretty please? Got any Lewin Group studies to prove your point?

Of course there are cases to be cited for both sides, but we all can see that we have the most inefficient system in the world.

It's registration fraud, not voter fraud.
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On every major measurement, the Census Bureau report shows that the country lost ground during Bush's two terms. While Bush was in office, the median household income declined, poverty increased, childhood poverty increased even more, and the number of Americans without health insurance spiked. By contrast, the country's condition improved on each of those measures during Bill Clinton's two terms, often substantially.
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That leaves Bush with the dubious distinction of becoming the only president in recent history to preside over an income decline through two presidential terms, notes Lawrence Mishel, president of the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute.


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Reply #7294 - Sep 14th, 2009 at 8:19am
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Riffhard wrote on Sep 14th, 2009 at 6:19am:
Firstly that article that you posted BJ is typical of the left's argument about health care. To wit, because we can show you one or two isolated cases in which a person is being screwed over that means that we should go ahead and scrap the entire system that we have. Sorry, that isn't going to fly. Fix the problem, reform health care absolutely, but don't ever allow the government to get their greedy power hungry hands on it!! NEVER!!! If you'd like I can post article after article about state run health care in every nation stupid enough to adopt screwing over hundreds of patients. Take a look at the UK's tax code and correlate that with their health care program. You will find that that nation is going broke trying to keep up with the insane costs involved, and cases of governmental abuse, and corruption are rampant! The UK isn't even a third the size of the USA, yet you "nationalize health care" types can't be bothered with facts or history to sway your ridiculous argument.


On to another topic. How is it that you Barry supporters seemingly have no problem whatsoever ignoring the pattern of behaviour that all of the groups and people that Barry associates with engage in? You make excuses for the likes of Reverend Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Khalidi, and  on, and on, and on. You excuse ACORN by laughingly assuring that these "two employees were fired", yet you ignore the rampant corruption and thuggish history of the entire organization dating back years. I mean FFS they are under federal investigation in 13 other states right now for voter fraud and extortion! Not that Holder will ever pursue these charges. Barry has no doubt told him to drop  any investigation, just like he did with the Black Panthers who engaged in blatant, and open voter intimidation.  Every single person or organization that Barack Obama has associated himself with throughout his entire life has been very hard left. Radically hard left in fact. The media claimed that the right wing was engaging in "guilt by association", and they happily ignored any and all stories that proved that Barry was/is a radical fuck that has some serious issues with his own country's history and traditions. None of those FACTS bother any of you. Why? Because this is about political one upmanship to you guys and gals.


Funny how you guys all happily ignore what you don't want to debate. I can guarantee you that had any Republican nominee had even one radical association with say a KKK member, or a white supremacist leader you would have been all over it! Rightly so, I might add. However, you suspend judgement when it comes to Barry associating himself with hard left well known antisemitics, or bomb throwing domestic terrorists. So far in own cabinet he has hired a former member of The Communist Party USA, and The Socialist Party USA. Both of these czars quit their memberships in these fine organizations only after Barry tapped them for their czar appointments!!! These people are just fine with you! I mean we can't very well judge Barack Obama by his friends and associates, can we? It's totally unfair to judge a man by the company he keeps. Right? LOL!!!!!!!! I mean why the hell would anyone in their right mind not want this man in charge of a full 20% of the US economy? You people are flat out nuts!!!



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It's not 1 or 2 isoloated cases... far from it...
You know how you like to tell your I know somebody stories... I got a few of those. I'm enjoying watching the death of your ideaology... it's like watching an evil murderer get strapped in to the chair, and instead of asking forgiveness the scream and yell at how much they hate... your way is dying. If you do not beleive, read your history books, and see how much progress we've made morally, scietifcally and philosphically over the past few thoudsand years, despite all those who claim god and righteousness oppose what we're doing...
Ring* Ring* HELLO - Riffy, this is 2009 calling... your ideas lost... war, homophobia, hate and oppression are not working... destroying peoples lifes and the planet for money are making us sick, and not letting people get the healthcare they need isn't going work this time, bootom lines are great corporate planse, but in healthcare, when it kills people, it ends now!!! You keep living in what you think were the good ole days of Reagan... The threat of nuclear war, AIDS, high unemployment, segregation in urban areas, underunded schools, crack babies... those were the good ole days... maybe for you, and after all, isn't you all you care about anyway? Really? Dude you're white and you live in North america, in the USA and you bitch more than most people on this planet about how bad things are... to use your own words, are you that big a pussy, that much of limp wristed pansy... Grow a pair dude, your life kicks ass!!! Even when you think you got problems... We don't even know what real suffering is... Your A/C go off? gotta get the car fixed, food prices are high... big fucking deal, you got a home, food and if you're sick... can you get medicine? Put down your pom poms and stop cheerleading for a souless corporate middle man that pays for your medical bills after you pay them, whose bottom line is to make money... we can do better as a people, this one thing, we can... We it comes to selling life/death isn't a bottom line!!!



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Ok, everybody get a look at the protesters signs?
This is a cross section of our society?
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dude chill they got the rednecks stirred up thats all.
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Reply #7297 - Sep 14th, 2009 at 3:12pm
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I was in DC on Saturday and as much as people want to marginalize this, there were a lot of people there, and they were far from "rednecks."

It was a broad cross section of ages, races, gripes, etc.

I picked up a "Honk if you think our President is a total failure" bumpersticker.

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Pdog wrote on Sep 14th, 2009 at 8:19am:
Riffhard wrote on Sep 14th, 2009 at 6:19am:
Firstly that article that you posted BJ is typical of the left's argument about health care. To wit, because we can show you one or two isolated cases in which a person is being screwed over that means that we should go ahead and scrap the entire system that we have. Sorry, that isn't going to fly. Fix the problem, reform health care absolutely, but don't ever allow the government to get their greedy power hungry hands on it!! NEVER!!! If you'd like I can post article after article about state run health care in every nation stupid enough to adopt screwing over hundreds of patients. Take a look at the UK's tax code and correlate that with their health care program. You will find that that nation is going broke trying to keep up with the insane costs involved, and cases of governmental abuse, and corruption are rampant! The UK isn't even a third the size of the USA, yet you "nationalize health care" types can't be bothered with facts or history to sway your ridiculous argument.


On to another topic. How is it that you Barry supporters seemingly have no problem whatsoever ignoring the pattern of behaviour that all of the groups and people that Barry associates with engage in? You make excuses for the likes of Reverend Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Khalidi, and  on, and on, and on. You excuse ACORN by laughingly assuring that these "two employees were fired", yet you ignore the rampant corruption and thuggish history of the entire organization dating back years. I mean FFS they are under federal investigation in 13 other states right now for voter fraud and extortion! Not that Holder will ever pursue these charges. Barry has no doubt told him to drop  any investigation, just like he did with the Black Panthers who engaged in blatant, and open voter intimidation.  Every single person or organization that Barack Obama has associated himself with throughout his entire life has been very hard left. Radically hard left in fact. The media claimed that the right wing was engaging in "guilt by association", and they happily ignored any and all stories that proved that Barry was/is a radical fuck that has some serious issues with his own country's history and traditions. None of those FACTS bother any of you. Why? Because this is about political one upmanship to you guys and gals.


Funny how you guys all happily ignore what you don't want to debate. I can guarantee you that had any Republican nominee had even one radical association with say a KKK member, or a white supremacist leader you would have been all over it! Rightly so, I might add. However, you suspend judgement when it comes to Barry associating himself with hard left well known antisemitics, or bomb throwing domestic terrorists. So far in own cabinet he has hired a former member of The Communist Party USA, and The Socialist Party USA. Both of these czars quit their memberships in these fine organizations only after Barry tapped them for their czar appointments!!! These people are just fine with you! I mean we can't very well judge Barack Obama by his friends and associates, can we? It's totally unfair to judge a man by the company he keeps. Right? LOL!!!!!!!! I mean why the hell would anyone in their right mind not want this man in charge of a full 20% of the US economy? You people are flat out nuts!!!



Obama sucks!




Riffy


It's not 1 or 2 isoloated cases... far from it...
You know how you like to tell your I know somebody stories... I got a few of those. I'm enjoying watching the death of your ideaology... it's like watching an evil murderer get strapped in to the chair, and instead of asking forgiveness the scream and yell at how much they hate... your way is dying. If you do not beleive, read your history books, and see how much progress we've made morally, scietifcally and philosphically over the past few thoudsand years, despite all those who claim god and righteousness oppose what we're doing...
Ring* Ring* HELLO - Riffy, this is 2009 calling... your ideas lost... war, homophobia, hate and oppression are not working... destroying peoples lifes and the planet for money are making us sick, and not letting people get the healthcare they need isn't going work this time, bootom lines are great corporate planse, but in healthcare, when it kills people, it ends now!!! You keep living in what you think were the good ole days of Reagan... The threat of nuclear war, AIDS, high unemployment, segregation in urban areas, underunded schools, crack babies... those were the good ole days... maybe for you, and after all, isn't you all you care about anyway? Really? Dude you're white and you live in North america, in the USA and you bitch more than most people on this planet about how bad things are... to use your own words, are you that big a pussy, that much of limp wristed pansy... Grow a pair dude, your life kicks ass!!! Even when you think you got problems... We don't even know what real suffering is... Your A/C go off? gotta get the car fixed, food prices are high... big fucking deal, you got a home, food and if you're sick... can you get medicine? Put down your pom poms and stop cheerleading for a souless corporate middle man that pays for your medical bills after you pay them, whose bottom line is to make money... we can do better as a people, this one thing, we can... We it comes to selling life/death isn't a bottom line!!!




Riffy's reactionary heritage goes back a lot further than this country.  He's the direct intellectual heir of flat-earthers and the Spanish Inquisition.  He touts Jefferson and Franklin, but if he had been around in the 1770s, you can bet he would have been a Tory; and not just any Tory, but probably the loudest, most obnoxious insulter of the treasonous radicals who would dare deny the Divine Right of Kings.  Guys like Riffy tried to convince our simian ancestors to stay in the trees.  Before that, they argued that life was just fine in the ocean and there was no need to take a risk by crawling onto land.  Whatever progress humanity has made or will ever make, there will always be the Riffys who must be dragged kicking and screaming into the future.
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You "progressives" [snicker] think your shit doesn't stink.
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Especially that large chunk in the White House.
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