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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #7175 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:15pm

Riffhard wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:58pm:

PartyDoll MEG wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:28pm:

[quote author=Riffhard link=1223104028/7150#7165 date=1252520613]Can someone please give me the cliff notes version of JC's hyperbolic post. I just can't read anything that fucktard posts.

If it feel good to believe in this radical ideologue Meg go for it. I am smarter than that though.

Riffy

It looks to me as though Riffhard just claimed to be smarter than Meg. I had understood that sort of boasting to be frowned on in these parts as "elitism" (or "eliteism" if you're not into the whole correct spelling thing). Or are such claims only objectionable when they're backed up with actual credentials?

BTW, nothing in Riffy's latest rant gives any indication that he actually read Jesus Christ's evisceration of him. And if we're such historical ignorami, Riffy, howe about enlightening us? For starters, you can answer my earlier question: If Jefferson, Franklin and Adams (who rejected the Divine Right of Kings, an extremely radical position in their day) were "right-wing extremists," does that mean that King George III was a socialist commie? Still waiting for an answer [cue crickets chirping].

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #7176 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:23pm

Riffhard wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 8:16am:

Pdog wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 6:26am:

Riffhard wrote on Sep 8^th, 2009 at 11:18pm:

texile wrote on Sep 8^th, 2009 at 10:36pm:

As opposed to the greedy health insurance agencies who refuse coverage for anything but a nail fungus?
Riffy, someone is already making life and death decisions on your health care - and they don't give a shit about you.
and the doctors screaming now are the same ones who will not touch a child with a brain tumor if that child has no insurance.
who's playing God here Riff?
At least this bill is predicated on the notion of improving your life, not playing with it.

Hence we need reform. We are just differing in the manner of that reform. You seemingly think that a power hungry federal goverment is less "greedy" than the free market. History has given us example upon example that that is simply not true. Far from it in fact. Reform? Yes. Government takeover? Never.

I trust "greedy" insurance companies that can be fired and replaced way more than I trust a government bureaucracy who's only incentive is saving money. I'll pay for the coverage I can afford for myself and my children. That way there is no way that the federal government can tell me, or anyone in my family that our particular treatment is not "cost effective". Long lines and rationing of service is the one thing that every single government run agency has in common. Keep it out of my life, and my doctor's office.

Riffy

Oops... I always forget, it's all about you...

WTF is that supposed to mean?!

Riffy

You wrote about yourself.. I, Me, mine!!! it's a Beatles song title... btw, JC laid the smackdown on you... and no, I'm not reading the article b/c you demand stuff and create hostility by calling people names...

do not read this:

You'd better sit down, folks.

Article 31 of the Iraqi Constitution, drafted by the Bush administration in 2005 and ratified by the Iraqi people, includes state-guaranteed (single payer) healthcare for life for every Iraqi citizen.

Article 31 reads:
"First: Every citizen has the right to health care. The State shall maintain public health and provide the means of prevention and treatment by building different types of hospitals and health institutions.

Second: Individuals and entities have the right to build hospitals, clinics, or
private health care centers under the supervision of the State, and this shall be regulated by law."

There are other health care guarantees, including special provisions for children, the elderly, and the handicapped elsewhere in the 43-page document.

Under force of arms, President Bush imposed his particular idea of democracy on a people not asking for it - perhaps a noble undertaking in one context and a criminal violation of international law in another. Bush's followers are proud of the Iraqi Constitution, a model for the world, they told us.

So, according to the American political right-wing, government-guaranteed health care is good for Iraqis, but not good for us. Not good for you. They decry even a limited public option for you, but gleefully imposed upon the Iraqis what they label here as "socialism," with much Democratic Party member support.

Indeed, reading the Iraqi Constitution so near to the 8th anniversary of September 11, 2001 is instructive. It is the very definition of American right-wing hypocrisy.

We have (thus far) sacrificed more blood to wrest Iraq from tyranny than we lost on 9/11.
In addition, according to the Congressional Research Service, as of May 15, 2009 (Report 7-5700/RL33110) we have spent and/or authorized $864 Billion in military operations on Operation Enduring Freedom, which includes Iraq and Afghanistan. The overwhelming majority of those funds have been for the war in Iraq. Additional secret funding has been authorized for intelligence and special operations.

The total is more than (or, in the worst case, equal to) the funding required to guarantee minimally decent health care here.

In other words, the most senior members of the Republican establishment - and some Democrats like Max Baucus (D-MT) - have gladly spent more taxpayer funds to ensure health care as a Constitutional right in Iraq than they are willing to spend to give you any level of guaranteed coverage.

The source document I used is from the official United Nations Assistance Mission for Iraq. If you'd like to download and review the full Iraqi Constitution, click HERE

This news is an example of the benefit of our online viral information age. The situation was first called to my attention late yesterday (September 8) by a long-term blogger, Korkie Moore-Bruno, on a think tank list of Obama supporters. Korkie posted an alert from her Facebook friend Jubal Harshaw. Give them credit for the heads-up; all I've done was verify the rumor with the United Nations.

It would seem that U. S. citizens might find out if their Representative and/or Senators have supported or voted to fund the war in Iraq. If so, do they support health care as a civil right for you?

If the answers to those questions are "yes" and "no," respectively, you might consider less hypocritical representation.

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Pdog Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 6,130 aTx Gender:	Re: Obama elected President Reply #7177 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:24pm We invaded Iraq to spread socilaism!!! Hows that for a new goal post neo-cons... you ever think your war fever for Iraq would come back at you like that? They hate us for our lack of healthcare!!!
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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #7179 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:56pm

jostorm wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 2:02pm:

fuman wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:26pm:

jostorm wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:09pm:

I don't want to get into the political debate, because in my experience RO folks are very aggressive and get nasty far too easily when it comes to politics, and quite honestly life's too bloody short, but I just wanted to mention the following:

I live in England and have a 16 year-old daughter. Since her birth we haven't paid a single penny for any of her health-care, operations, prescribed drugs or treatments, they come entirely free until the child leaves the educational system. These "freebies" include every single childhood vaccination (and that now even includes free vaccination of girls against HPV=Human Papillomatosis Virus at age 12 - the one carried by men on their dicks which causes cervical cancer and subsequent death in so many women). Our health system is flawed in many ways, expensive, partly corrupt and has its great inefficiencies. We complain, we moan and we rant about them frequently. But I think that , in general, when you have an acute/potentially life-threatening problem, that you will find free and mostly excellent treatment straight away, and when you have chronic conditions these are subject to sometimes frustrating waiting times. HOWEVER, I find it jaw-droppingly awful that in the "most powerful country in the world, the land of the free yakkettyyakettyblablabla" children have to pay to be protected from childhood diseases, that there is an "apartheid-system" for medical care for the next generation who will run your country. That is nothing else than a THIRD-WORLD attitude.
Your general capitalistic "me-me-me-attitude" is quite unpalatable.

Ask any epidemiologist and they will confirm that vaccination programmes don't work at all unless a very high percentage of the population gets vaccinated. Had the whole world not received Smallpox-vaccines for free on little sugar cubes, then the disease would never have been eradicated. Here in England we now have a slight problem with MMR, whooping-cough and other childhood-diseases making a nasty come-back because some stupid parents make non-scientifically based decisions and won't allow for their babies to receive them, but if in your neck of the woods only people with money can get their kids vaccinated, then that's plain sad. Shame on you as a nation! I'm glad Obama is at least trying to change that, it's about bloody time too!.

Nice post. Thanks for your perspective on health care.

There are many good things about America, but I see no shame in agreeing we have some big hurdles to overcome also.

Thanks. And thank you even more for not ignoring and for not attacking me! I totally agree that America has fabulous aspects. Any country that invents marihuana dispensers in which the dope is kept fresh at optimum temperature has got my eternal blessing, EVEN if every time I want to enter it I have to fill out a card on the plane declaring I’m not a drug addict/drug dealer/Nazi criminal/Communist. Smiley

We have many pot deli's here in my city. You go in and show your medical card, and they let you pick from many varieties behind a deli style counter. The people who manage these pot deli's are super cool, and even allow sampling (like deli's do).

Whodathunk in my lifetime I would see such a place . . .

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #7180 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 4:03pm

fuman wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:56pm:

jostorm wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 2:02pm:

fuman wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:26pm:

jostorm wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:09pm:

I don't want to get into the political debate, because in my experience RO folks are very aggressive and get nasty far too easily when it comes to politics, and quite honestly life's too bloody short, but I just wanted to mention the following:

I live in England and have a 16 year-old daughter. Since her birth we haven't paid a single penny for any of her health-care, operations, prescribed drugs or treatments, they come entirely free until the child leaves the educational system. These "freebies" include every single childhood vaccination (and that now even includes free vaccination of girls against HPV=Human Papillomatosis Virus at age 12 - the one carried by men on their dicks which causes cervical cancer and subsequent death in so many women). Our health system is flawed in many ways, expensive, partly corrupt and has its great inefficiencies. We complain, we moan and we rant about them frequently. But I think that , in general, when you have an acute/potentially life-threatening problem, that you will find free and mostly excellent treatment straight away, and when you have chronic conditions these are subject to sometimes frustrating waiting times. HOWEVER, I find it jaw-droppingly awful that in the "most powerful country in the world, the land of the free yakkettyyakettyblablabla" children have to pay to be protected from childhood diseases, that there is an "apartheid-system" for medical care for the next generation who will run your country. That is nothing else than a THIRD-WORLD attitude.
Your general capitalistic "me-me-me-attitude" is quite unpalatable.

Ask any epidemiologist and they will confirm that vaccination programmes don't work at all unless a very high percentage of the population gets vaccinated. Had the whole world not received Smallpox-vaccines for free on little sugar cubes, then the disease would never have been eradicated. Here in England we now have a slight problem with MMR, whooping-cough and other childhood-diseases making a nasty come-back because some stupid parents make non-scientifically based decisions and won't allow for their babies to receive them, but if in your neck of the woods only people with money can get their kids vaccinated, then that's plain sad. Shame on you as a nation! I'm glad Obama is at least trying to change that, it's about bloody time too!.

Nice post. Thanks for your perspective on health care.

There are many good things about America, but I see no shame in agreeing we have some big hurdles to overcome also.

Thanks. And thank you even more for not ignoring and for not attacking me! I totally agree that America has fabulous aspects. Any country that invents marihuana dispensers in which the dope is kept fresh at optimum temperature has got my eternal blessing, EVEN if every time I want to enter it I have to fill out a card on the plane declaring I’m not a drug addict/drug dealer/Nazi criminal/Communist. Smiley

We have many pot deli's here in my city. You go in and show your medical card, and they let you pick from many varieties behind a deli style counter. The people who manage these pot deli's are super cool, and even allow sampling (like deli's do).

Whodathunk in my lifetime I would see such a place . . .

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #7181 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 4:05pm

Riffhard wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 2:20pm:

joestorm, I wasn't ignoring you, and I would certainly never attack you. The only people that I would rightfully attack are pricks that have made it a point to attack me with epithets such as "Nazi".

Now to the point that you were addressing. The fact is that the majority of Americans are perfectly happy with their health insurance plan. As the posted article points out there are some problems that need to be addressed, but that dosen't mean that we should just throw our hands up and let big daddy government (Obama) handle it all for us. That is polarly opposite of the way America was set up to begin with. We believe in "individual liberty" and not the over reaching hand of a massive intrusive federal government.

I'd wager that if there were a poll taken in the UK asking just how satisfied most people are with NICE that the majority of respondents would not answer in the positive at the same rate Americans do with regards to the same questions about our private plans. Reform? Sure, just don't let the government take over the whole damned system. Once we go that route there is no backing out. This health care reform talk coming out of Barry's mouth is nothing of the sort! He doesn't give two shits about reform! He just wants a larger more centralized government. His own short presidential history proves that. Most Americans do not want what this socailist/Marxist is selling.

The drones just can't stand that.

Riffy

Hey, Riffy. Sorry, but I think that you misunderstood me, I didn’t mean you personally wanting to ignore/attack me, it’s just a fact that the almost unlimited, wonderful freedom we all enjoy on RO often leads to extensive and mostly unnecessary flaming, I’ve been on RO just long enough to witness it umpteen times…I just didn’t mean anyone in particular, and certainly not you personally! (Although I have to say : this board is a much nicer place to lurk about since glencar disappeared-now that’s one unpleasant inhabitant….has he been banned by the Unholy Trinity?)

I don’t want to get into NICE-debates, although it would be interesting, I was just trying to raise the point that an extremely unjust society with an apartheid-style health regime is not a very nice environment to live/raise your family in. And it goes against your hypothetical American assumption that “Everyone has the same right to the pursuit of happiness”, at least it doesn’t ring true to me. Is that perhaps why Americans need to bear arms, to be able to constantly defend what’s theirs???
And no, I’m not a communist/socialist/sandal-wearing-social-worker-type, I’m for capitalism every time, but I also am socially aware and have great empathy for people worse off than me. And for the record: I pray every night that Chavez may spontaneously combust, as he has wrecked the beautiful country I was born and raised in.

This summer I spent a week visiting my best friend in Denmark and found the country a REAL EYE-OPENER! Danes pay 50 (Yes, that’s FIFTY) % tax. “Ouch!” I thought, until I saw how they lived.

In a whole week I didn’t see a single CCTV camera anywhere, here in the UK we allegedly have one per 11 inhabitants, they are everywhere you look, not that that makes any difference to our crime rates. No electronic control barriers in Danish shops either, I asked myself “do Danes not steal anything, then?” Some people leave their bikes unlocked in downtown Kopenhagen, but in rural areas everyone does. Denmark is a tiny country with only 3.2 million people. They have the highest living standard (common with Norway and Sweden) in Europe, currently the strongest economy with a bank system that seems to have avoided everyone else’s melt-down. People assume you are honest and honourable until proven otherwise, which makes a refreshing change. Impressively efficient railway/public transport system, which means you can actually choose not to have a car. I travelled on trains frequently and not once did a controller check that I had a valid ticket, which made me feel better for having one. Denmark is a true Democracy, in the 70’s the country voted against any nuclear power, so they built extensive wind-turbines all along the coast and the subject was never raised again. They voted repeatedly “no” to join the European Community, which is probably another reason why they are so successful. Although they have a royal family, things are quite low key, no big coronation ceremonies, when a king dies someone appears on a balcony saying “The King is Dead. Long live the King”, and that was that. Good diet with plenty of fish, everyone rides a bike=didn’t see a single fat person in the whole week. Museums are free, education and health and university studies are free. Healthcare is excellent and free for all. Old age pensioners have a very high life quality, instead of having to choose in the winter whether they eat or heat the house, like some in England. Good nursery provisions allow parents to carry on work if they choose to, but if they want to take a year out at any stage up to the child reaching 14, then they are free to do so while keeping their job, this applies to mum or dad. Of course, all this costs a lot of money, which works out at 50% tax for everyone. But everyone seems blissfully happy and life is far more relaxed than in any other country I’ve ever been to, and believe me I’ve been in dozens of them. If anyone ever gets the chance to travel there, take it. (Also take loads of money, because it is fucking expensive!) And did I mention that Danes living near the coast cycle to the beach each morning in their bath-gowns, drop bike and gown in the sand, go for a swim in the nude and ride back home in their wet bath-gown? The whole picture is that in such a socially just society criminals are far less likely to throw a brick through your window and rob you or shoot you with a semiautomatic. And we are very unlikely to see the new series of “CSI Kopenhagen” on our tv-screens at any time. And all I’ve said is just some food for thought, that’s all, but the bottom line is that no one should have to choose whether they can afford vaccinating their child, that should be a given right to all Americans, otherwise I reserve the right to question the greatness of the Greatest Country on Earth.

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #7182 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 4:08pm

Some Guy wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 4:03pm:

fuman wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:56pm:

jostorm wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 2:02pm:

fuman wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:26pm:

jostorm wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:09pm:

I don't want to get into the political debate, because in my experience RO folks are very aggressive and get nasty far too easily when it comes to politics, and quite honestly life's too bloody short, but I just wanted to mention the following:

I live in England and have a 16 year-old daughter. Since her birth we haven't paid a single penny for any of her health-care, operations, prescribed drugs or treatments, they come entirely free until the child leaves the educational system. These "freebies" include every single childhood vaccination (and that now even includes free vaccination of girls against HPV=Human Papillomatosis Virus at age 12 - the one carried by men on their dicks which causes cervical cancer and subsequent death in so many women). Our health system is flawed in many ways, expensive, partly corrupt and has its great inefficiencies. We complain, we moan and we rant about them frequently. But I think that , in general, when you have an acute/potentially life-threatening problem, that you will find free and mostly excellent treatment straight away, and when you have chronic conditions these are subject to sometimes frustrating waiting times. HOWEVER, I find it jaw-droppingly awful that in the "most powerful country in the world, the land of the free yakkettyyakettyblablabla" children have to pay to be protected from childhood diseases, that there is an "apartheid-system" for medical care for the next generation who will run your country. That is nothing else than a THIRD-WORLD attitude.
Your general capitalistic "me-me-me-attitude" is quite unpalatable.

Ask any epidemiologist and they will confirm that vaccination programmes don't work at all unless a very high percentage of the population gets vaccinated. Had the whole world not received Smallpox-vaccines for free on little sugar cubes, then the disease would never have been eradicated. Here in England we now have a slight problem with MMR, whooping-cough and other childhood-diseases making a nasty come-back because some stupid parents make non-scientifically based decisions and won't allow for their babies to receive them, but if in your neck of the woods only people with money can get their kids vaccinated, then that's plain sad. Shame on you as a nation! I'm glad Obama is at least trying to change that, it's about bloody time too!.

Nice post. Thanks for your perspective on health care.

There are many good things about America, but I see no shame in agreeing we have some big hurdles to overcome also.

Thanks. And thank you even more for not ignoring and for not attacking me! I totally agree that America has fabulous aspects. Any country that invents marihuana dispensers in which the dope is kept fresh at optimum temperature has got my eternal blessing, EVEN if every time I want to enter it I have to fill out a card on the plane declaring I’m not a drug addict/drug dealer/Nazi criminal/Communist. Smiley

We have many pot deli's here in my city. You go in and show your medical card, and they let you pick from many varieties behind a deli style counter. The people who manage these pot deli's are super cool, and even allow sampling (like deli's do).

Whodathunk in my lifetime I would see such a place . . .

dude??

Yep, medical marijuana is alive and well in the Bay area. Maybe 20 or 30 stores.
There is even a school to teach how to start your own business, called Oaksterdam. It's in Oakland, hence the name.
The Fed doesn't like it, but they leave them alone.

Santa Cruz allows up to 2 plants per household. This allows users to avoid paying the cartels for pot. Great idea !!
Humboldt allows way too much, and it is getting out of control there. 2 plants is the right number (pun intended).

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #7183 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 4:12pm

fuman wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:56pm:

jostorm wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 2:02pm:

fuman wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:26pm:

jostorm wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:09pm:

I don't want to get into the political debate, because in my experience RO folks are very aggressive and get nasty far too easily when it comes to politics, and quite honestly life's too bloody short, but I just wanted to mention the following:

I live in England and have a 16 year-old daughter. Since her birth we haven't paid a single penny for any of her health-care, operations, prescribed drugs or treatments, they come entirely free until the child leaves the educational system. These "freebies" include every single childhood vaccination (and that now even includes free vaccination of girls against HPV=Human Papillomatosis Virus at age 12 - the one carried by men on their dicks which causes cervical cancer and subsequent death in so many women). Our health system is flawed in many ways, expensive, partly corrupt and has its great inefficiencies. We complain, we moan and we rant about them frequently. But I think that , in general, when you have an acute/potentially life-threatening problem, that you will find free and mostly excellent treatment straight away, and when you have chronic conditions these are subject to sometimes frustrating waiting times. HOWEVER, I find it jaw-droppingly awful that in the "most powerful country in the world, the land of the free yakkettyyakettyblablabla" children have to pay to be protected from childhood diseases, that there is an "apartheid-system" for medical care for the next generation who will run your country. That is nothing else than a THIRD-WORLD attitude.
Your general capitalistic "me-me-me-attitude" is quite unpalatable.

Ask any epidemiologist and they will confirm that vaccination programmes don't work at all unless a very high percentage of the population gets vaccinated. Had the whole world not received Smallpox-vaccines for free on little sugar cubes, then the disease would never have been eradicated. Here in England we now have a slight problem with MMR, whooping-cough and other childhood-diseases making a nasty come-back because some stupid parents make non-scientifically based decisions and won't allow for their babies to receive them, but if in your neck of the woods only people with money can get their kids vaccinated, then that's plain sad. Shame on you as a nation! I'm glad Obama is at least trying to change that, it's about bloody time too!.

Nice post. Thanks for your perspective on health care.

There are many good things about America, but I see no shame in agreeing we have some big hurdles to overcome also.

Thanks. And thank you even more for not ignoring and for not attacking me! I totally agree that America has fabulous aspects. Any country that invents marihuana dispensers in which the dope is kept fresh at optimum temperature has got my eternal blessing, EVEN if every time I want to enter it I have to fill out a card on the plane declaring I’m not a drug addict/drug dealer/Nazi criminal/Communist. Smiley

We have many pot deli's here in my city. You go in and show your medical card, and they let you pick from many varieties behind a deli style counter. The people who manage these pot deli's are super cool, and even allow sampling (like deli's do).

Whodathunk in my lifetime I would see such a place . . .

How fantastic is that???!!!
I visited a part of Kopenhagen called "Cristiania" last month. In the 70's hippies moved into all these uninhabited, empty military barracks and declared them an independent state with free love, free dope, etc... Still today you walk in and it's the largest open-air dope-supermarket I've seen in my life. Not sure how they get away with it, but they do...

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #7184 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 4:12pm

fuman wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 4:08pm:

Some Guy wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 4:03pm:

fuman wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:56pm:

jostorm wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 2:02pm:

fuman wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:26pm:

jostorm wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:09pm:

I don't want to get into the political debate, because in my experience RO folks are very aggressive and get nasty far too easily when it comes to politics, and quite honestly life's too bloody short, but I just wanted to mention the following:

I live in England and have a 16 year-old daughter. Since her birth we haven't paid a single penny for any of her health-care, operations, prescribed drugs or treatments, they come entirely free until the child leaves the educational system. These "freebies" include every single childhood vaccination (and that now even includes free vaccination of girls against HPV=Human Papillomatosis Virus at age 12 - the one carried by men on their dicks which causes cervical cancer and subsequent death in so many women). Our health system is flawed in many ways, expensive, partly corrupt and has its great inefficiencies. We complain, we moan and we rant about them frequently. But I think that , in general, when you have an acute/potentially life-threatening problem, that you will find free and mostly excellent treatment straight away, and when you have chronic conditions these are subject to sometimes frustrating waiting times. HOWEVER, I find it jaw-droppingly awful that in the "most powerful country in the world, the land of the free yakkettyyakettyblablabla" children have to pay to be protected from childhood diseases, that there is an "apartheid-system" for medical care for the next generation who will run your country. That is nothing else than a THIRD-WORLD attitude.
Your general capitalistic "me-me-me-attitude" is quite unpalatable.

Ask any epidemiologist and they will confirm that vaccination programmes don't work at all unless a very high percentage of the population gets vaccinated. Had the whole world not received Smallpox-vaccines for free on little sugar cubes, then the disease would never have been eradicated. Here in England we now have a slight problem with MMR, whooping-cough and other childhood-diseases making a nasty come-back because some stupid parents make non-scientifically based decisions and won't allow for their babies to receive them, but if in your neck of the woods only people with money can get their kids vaccinated, then that's plain sad. Shame on you as a nation! I'm glad Obama is at least trying to change that, it's about bloody time too!.

Nice post. Thanks for your perspective on health care.

There are many good things about America, but I see no shame in agreeing we have some big hurdles to overcome also.

Thanks. And thank you even more for not ignoring and for not attacking me! I totally agree that America has fabulous aspects. Any country that invents marihuana dispensers in which the dope is kept fresh at optimum temperature has got my eternal blessing, EVEN if every time I want to enter it I have to fill out a card on the plane declaring I’m not a drug addict/drug dealer/Nazi criminal/Communist. Smiley

We have many pot deli's here in my city. You go in and show your medical card, and they let you pick from many varieties behind a deli style counter. The people who manage these pot deli's are super cool, and even allow sampling (like deli's do).

Whodathunk in my lifetime I would see such a place . . .

dude??

Yep, medical marijuana is alive and well in the Bay area. Maybe 20 or 30 stores.
There is even a school to teach how to start your own business, called Oaksterdam. It's in Oakland, hence the name.
The Fed doesn't like it, but they leave them alone.

Santa Cruz allows up to 2 plants per household. This allows users to avoid paying the cartels for pot. Great idea !!
Humboldt allows way too much, and it is getting out of control there. 2 plants is the right number (pun intended).

God is good...

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #7185 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 4:16pm

Brainbell Jangler wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:15pm:

Riffhard wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:58pm:

PartyDoll MEG wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:28pm:

[quote author=Riffhard link=1223104028/7150#7165 date=1252520613]Can someone please give me the cliff notes version of JC's hyperbolic post. I just can't read anything that fucktard posts.

If it feel good to believe in this radical ideologue Meg go for it. I am smarter than that though.

Riffy

It looks to me as though Riffhard just claimed to be smarter than Meg. I had understood that sort of boasting to be frowned on in these parts as "elitism" (or "eliteism" if you're not into the whole correct spelling thing). Or are such claims only objectionable when they're backed up with actual credentials?

BTW, nothing in Riffy's latest rant gives any indication that he actually read Jesus Christ's evisceration of him. And if we're such historical ignorami, Riffy, howe about enlightening us? For starters, you can answer my earlier question: If Jefferson, Franklin and Adams (who rejected the Divine Right of Kings, an extremely radical position in their day) were "right-wing extremists," does that mean that King George III was a socialist commie? Still waiting for an answer [cue crickets chirping].

BJ...

Riffy can call me stupid and a drone if he so wishes..it is America after all and he has is rights...

He can call me elitist if he wishes...

He can keep posting articles that he thinks prove his viewpoint (some that he doesn't research too well..i.e. Paglia's article).
He is on a mission. Go Riffy Go!

Too bad he isn't gonna make much headway here...
maybe he has a better audience at home....

and Jo and texile Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?

it is nice to get your perspective here. We who occasionally read this thread and me who only occasionally posts here are sick of reading the same old bullshit.
Time for some fresh ideas to emerge..(not that I can guarantee Riffy will read them, but the rest of us will) ..That is if we can get past Riffy and his incessant need to call us all drones because we do not think as he does...

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #7186 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 4:30pm

jostorm wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 4:12pm:

fuman wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:56pm:

jostorm wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 2:02pm:

fuman wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:26pm:

jostorm wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:09pm:

I don't want to get into the political debate, because in my experience RO folks are very aggressive and get nasty far too easily when it comes to politics, and quite honestly life's too bloody short, but I just wanted to mention the following:

I live in England and have a 16 year-old daughter. Since her birth we haven't paid a single penny for any of her health-care, operations, prescribed drugs or treatments, they come entirely free until the child leaves the educational system. These "freebies" include every single childhood vaccination (and that now even includes free vaccination of girls against HPV=Human Papillomatosis Virus at age 12 - the one carried by men on their dicks which causes cervical cancer and subsequent death in so many women). Our health system is flawed in many ways, expensive, partly corrupt and has its great inefficiencies. We complain, we moan and we rant about them frequently. But I think that , in general, when you have an acute/potentially life-threatening problem, that you will find free and mostly excellent treatment straight away, and when you have chronic conditions these are subject to sometimes frustrating waiting times. HOWEVER, I find it jaw-droppingly awful that in the "most powerful country in the world, the land of the free yakkettyyakettyblablabla" children have to pay to be protected from childhood diseases, that there is an "apartheid-system" for medical care for the next generation who will run your country. That is nothing else than a THIRD-WORLD attitude.
Your general capitalistic "me-me-me-attitude" is quite unpalatable.

Ask any epidemiologist and they will confirm that vaccination programmes don't work at all unless a very high percentage of the population gets vaccinated. Had the whole world not received Smallpox-vaccines for free on little sugar cubes, then the disease would never have been eradicated. Here in England we now have a slight problem with MMR, whooping-cough and other childhood-diseases making a nasty come-back because some stupid parents make non-scientifically based decisions and won't allow for their babies to receive them, but if in your neck of the woods only people with money can get their kids vaccinated, then that's plain sad. Shame on you as a nation! I'm glad Obama is at least trying to change that, it's about bloody time too!.

Nice post. Thanks for your perspective on health care.

There are many good things about America, but I see no shame in agreeing we have some big hurdles to overcome also.

Thanks. And thank you even more for not ignoring and for not attacking me! I totally agree that America has fabulous aspects. Any country that invents marihuana dispensers in which the dope is kept fresh at optimum temperature has got my eternal blessing, EVEN if every time I want to enter it I have to fill out a card on the plane declaring I’m not a drug addict/drug dealer/Nazi criminal/Communist. Smiley

We have many pot deli's here in my city. You go in and show your medical card, and they let you pick from many varieties behind a deli style counter. The people who manage these pot deli's are super cool, and even allow sampling (like deli's do).

Whodathunk in my lifetime I would see such a place . . .

How fantastic is that???!!!
I visited a part of Kopenhagen called "Cristiania" last month. In the 70's hippies moved into all these uninhabited, empty military barracks and declared them an independent state with free love, free dope, etc... Still today you walk in and it's the largest open-air dope-supermarket I've seen in my life. Not sure how they get away with it, but they do...

I have a Bob Dylan bootleg boxset titled "Cristiania". It has a nice full color booklet inside, and shows the town of Cristiania. From what I have seen it is a beautiful place. The artists have fixed it up and painted everywhere. Wish I could visit. Maybe someday . . .

Cristiania is (was?) a city within a city, so I guess they can make their own laws?

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #7187 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 4:35pm

DUVALL RESIGNS OVER SEX BLAB FLAP

Michael Duvall has resigned from the California State Assembly after a local TV news station reported his remarks about sexual escapades with two lobbyists. Duvall was unaware that a live mic was picking up his hanky-spanky talk.

The Orange County Republican announced the resignation on his campaign website:

I am deeply saddened that my inappropriate comments have become a major distraction for my colleagues in the Assembly, who are working hard on the very serious problems facing our state. I have come to the conclusion that it would not be fair to my family, my constituents or to my friends on both sides of the aisle to remain in office. Therefore, I have decided to resign my office, effective immediately, so that the Assembly can get back to work.

"SO I AM GETTING INTO SPANKING HER" A California assemblyman is in some hot water after having a hot conversation picked up by a hot mic before a recent hearing. But he's not talking about sex with just anybody -- this is hot, steamy sex with LOBBYISTS!

"So, I am getting into spanking her," says the Orange County Republican. "I like spanking her. She goes, 'I know you like spanking me.' I said, 'Yeah! Because you're such a bad girl!'"

The lobbyists reportedly represent utility companies. Duvall is vice chairman of the Utilities and Commerce Committee. Bad assemblyman!

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Reply #7188 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 4:48pm

Hello, Meggypoo!
Thanks.It is such a shame, I know, I used to love hanging out here and hardly ever do so anymore, but the likes of glencar made it incredibly tedious, as much as I ignored him, so logging on became a very rare occasion. And all the flaming of innocents was simply horrid, the memory of his flaming of poor, decent Doxa from IORR still makes me cringe!! What's the point of coming on here and just venting all your bile??? It's what gypsy used to do a lot, although at least she gave us lovely pictures in return. And posting inane, meaningless comments on every bloody thread was soooo boring that I started logging into work to distract myself from RO, if you get my drift.... What is it with people wanting a high posting count, anyway? I don't get it, it's like showing off pretending to have a large penis when you don't, has no one ever taught those men that it's not the size but what you do with it that matters? "Quality over quantity", I say! We should get Voodoo to print it on the next RO shirts, Sista!....

Anyway, Meggy, you would never, ever, in a billion years be a drone, ever! Sticks and stones and all that, Love....! Plus, isn't a drone a male bee or ant??? And you are tres femme, mon amour. Although you could be a "dronnette", which when I have time I shall enter into Wikipedia, Alzheimer's and workload allowing.....
Smiley

And now I'm going to bed, good night everyone, thanks for the chat!

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #7191 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 5:14pm

Brainbell Jangler wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 5:00pm:

Riffy,
Could you please answer the question about King George III? Those damned crickets are driving me insane!
CHIRP

CHIRP

Hey, speaking of The Crickets, has anyone ever heard that The Beatles is a play on that band name?
Someone told me that years ago, but that's all I have heard regarding the origin of The Beatles name.

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Reply #7192 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 5:16pm

From TPM:

Duvall Won "Ethics In America" Award

Mike Duvall, the California GOP lawmaker and married family values champion who just resigned after a hot mic picked up his graphic bragging to a colleague about two affairs, was in 2000 awarded the "Ethics in America" award by a local university, for his "demonstration of the highest standards of ethical integrity" as a community leader with the Yorba Linda Chamber of Commerce, according to a 2008 press release on Duvall's state government website.

We'll let you make your own joke.

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #7193 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 5:31pm

fuman wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 5:14pm:

Brainbell Jangler wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 5:00pm:

Riffy,
Could you please answer the question about King George III? Those damned crickets are driving me insane!
CHIRP

CHIRP

Hey, speaking of The Crickets, has anyone ever heard that The Beatles is a play on that band name?
Someone told me that years ago, but that's all I have heard regarding the origin of The Beatles name.

Correct. And The Hollies also got their name from Buddy Holly. John Lennon once said that everyone in England was into either Elvis or Buddy; the Elvis fans were into leather and the Buddy Holly fans all managed to look like Buddy Holly. And let's not forget the Stones' great Buddy Holly cover. Now, back to our regularly scheduled political mayhem . . . .

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Reply #7194 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 6:56pm

PartyDoll MEG wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 4:16pm:

Brainbell Jangler wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:15pm:

Riffhard wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:58pm:

PartyDoll MEG wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 1:28pm:

[quote author=Riffhard link=1223104028/7150#7165 date=1252520613]Can someone please give me the cliff notes version of JC's hyperbolic post. I just can't read anything that fucktard posts.

If it feel good to believe in this radical ideologue Meg go for it. I am smarter than that though.

Riffy

It looks to me as though Riffhard just claimed to be smarter than Meg. I had understood that sort of boasting to be frowned on in these parts as "elitism" (or "eliteism" if you're not into the whole correct spelling thing). Or are such claims only objectionable when they're backed up with actual credentials?

BTW, nothing in Riffy's latest rant gives any indication that he actually read Jesus Christ's evisceration of him. And if we're such historical ignorami, Riffy, howe about enlightening us? For starters, you can answer my earlier question: If Jefferson, Franklin and Adams (who rejected the Divine Right of Kings, an extremely radical position in their day) were "right-wing extremists," does that mean that King George III was a socialist commie? Still waiting for an answer [cue crickets chirping].

BJ...

Riffy can call me stupid and a drone if he so wishes..it is America after all and he has is rights...

He can call me elitist if he wishes...

He can keep posting articles that he thinks prove his viewpoint (some that he doesn't research too well..i.e. Paglia's article).
He is on a mission. Go Riffy Go!

Too bad he isn't gonna make much headway here...
maybe he has a better audience at home....

and Jo and texile Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?

it is nice to get your perspective here. We who occasionally read this thread and me who only occasionally posts here are sick of reading the same old bullshit.
Time for some fresh ideas to emerge..(not that I can guarantee Riffy will read them, but the rest of us will) ..That is if we can get past Riffy and his incessant need to call us all drones because we do not think as he does...

LOL! Now this is just proof positive that you have no idea what I mean by the word drone. So, if I may, I'll explain it now.

A drone, in the political/Obama loving sense of the word, is someone who just nods and agrees with everything that Obama says, wishes, or commands. There are never any questions asked. See I am not a drone. I often questioned Bush, and any other Republican leader whom I may have had some disagreements with. I do not just follow along blindly without asking questions, or questioning the motives of these so called leaders. As I have stated time and time again, I'm a conservative not a Republican. I am registered as such in fact.

Many Obama supporters in general, and most on this site, are drones. Oh sure you may have a couple of "True Believers". I would say that BJ is a true believer. JC might be one as well, but he's such a fucking classless clueless pussified fuck that I don't take the time to read his claptrap shit to know for sure. He certainly is an elitist fuck that thinks he's the smartest bastard in the room though. That much I do know.

BJ though is a "True Believer" in every sense of the word. Nothing wrong with that per se. I just don't think that he is right about anything politically. His take on the US Constitution for example would be drastically different than mine I'd wager. He's just a full blown throw back hippie type that thinks "the man" is out to screw as many people as possible. At least that's my take on BJ. Having said that I would never say a bad word about the guy. He's as entitled to his opinion as I am to mine. He seems nice to me, although he can get testy some times, but hey, I suffer that fault as well. I mean shit, I was a full blown "True Believer" for many years myself. I did attend over 100 Dead shows afterall!

Then there are the Obama supporters who do question their own initial feelings about Barry. Who do have a real case of buyer's remorse. Even if they aren't willing to publicly come right and say it, they have enough common sense to see that what Obama has done is more harmful than helpful. Bucky is probably the best example of this kind of Obama supporter. And for all I know Buckster may not have even voted for the man, but he certainly is bright enough, and honest enough to acknowledge the insanity of Obama's radical remaking of the USA.

So Meg you may think that I was saying that you are stupid, but that is not what I said at all. I said that I was smart enough not to believe what this huckster is pushing. I read his books. I read the book that he personally called "his bible". That would be "Rules For Radicals by Saul Alinsky btw Wink

. I studied up on his friends and associates. I am smart enough to know that you can tell alot about a person by the company they keep. Not one of Barry's associates would be allowed to step foot in my house. See, I'm not a drone! I don't just blindly follow a cult of personality who has serious issues with his own country.

As far as making any "headway" here! That's the joke of it all! I know damned good and well that I can not make headway with a drone! Drones must snap out of it on their own timeline. I just get a kick out of watching people strap their blinders on willfully follow this moron over the cliff.

Facts are on my side too! That's the real kick in the ass for me! Everything that I predicted Barry would do he has done! Everything! You drones, and the couple of "True Believers" are going to see that with crystal clear vision soon enough. 2010 is going to be a horrible year for the Dems. And yes, I will be right here with a big fat--->

I TOLD YOU SO!!!! Again.

Riffy

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Reply #7197 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 9:02pm

Drones...
Riffy, what the fuck?
I could just as well call you a drone for regurgitating the same conservative bullshit ad nauseum....
it's like a shtick....and you're stuck on ..well, if not stupid...then..... meanness...
My Goldwater republican father always told me not to discuss politics or religion with family or friends because you can never win - you're dealing with people's most sacred beliefs...and neither is 'wrong' or right' ..
the problem is, people like you don't get that - you dismiss, smirk at and disrepect anyone who disagrees.
You suck at debating Riffy.

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Reply #7199 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 10:18pm

texile wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 9:02pm:

Drones...
Riffy, what the fuck?
I could just as well call you a drone for regurgitating the same conservative bullshit ad nauseum....
it's like a shtick....and you're stuck on ..well, if not stupid...then..... meanness...
My Goldwater republican father always told me not to discuss politics or religion with family or friends because you can never win - you're dealing with people's most sacred beliefs...and neither is 'wrong' or right' ..
the problem is, people like you don't get that - you dismiss, smirk at and disrepect anyone who disagrees.
You suck at debating Riffy.

Let's see here.

Has Obama more than quadrupled the federal deficit? Yes.

Has Obama moved to enlarge the size and scope of the federal government faster and more dramatically than any other president in US history? Yes.

Has Obama nationalized huge sectors of the American economy without any constitutional authority to do so? Yes.

Has Obama paid off left wing constituencies with hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars that were intended for a so called Stimulus Package? Yes.

Has Obama fixed, or tired to fix, Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security which combined have an unfunded liability of roughly 16 trillion dollars? No.

Does Obama want to raise the US debt limit to 12 trillion even though the above mentioned programs are flat broke? Yes.

Is Obama creating debt for future generations of Americans who at this time are too young to have any legal say on how their money is spent? Hell yes!

Does this equate as nothing more than "generational theft" by the US government? Again, hell yes!

You know texile if you were go back and read some of my posts in this thread from months ago I was nowhere as near "mean" as you say. Since that time I have watched in horror as a man that is either a complete economic illiterate, or worse yet, has some sinister Marxist agenda in mind, bring this country's economy to it's knees! Knowing what I know about who Barack Obama admires and the type of far leftist types that he has surrounded himself for his entire life, I'm inclined to believe the latter, but that aside. I can't stand watching this man try and systematically dismantle every aspect of this country, and our society just because it does not fit his idea of utopia. He has made it very clear what he wants to do! He wants to redistribute as much wealth as can, as fast as he can. Because, according to him, that's only fair. This man has far over reached, and every single poll shows that. What do the drones do? Bitch about the polls. Bitch about Fox News. Bitch about Rush Limbaugh. Bitch about Glenn Beck. Bitch, bitch, bitch! What they won't do, or ever consider doing, is admit that Obama is not the brilliant man that the media sold them on. They are never willing to take a good hard look at the policies that Obama has promoted and then compare them to the results that those very policies have had on the economy in the short term, and more importantly, in the long term.

Thus these people are drones. The dangerous policies are disregarded, as are the consequences of those policies. If Obama wants it, it must be good. If Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, of even that hard right wing kook, Camille Paglia says that Obama is wrong? Well that just really proves that Obama is right!

There is no better word than drone to describe people that so willingly turn a blind eye to all the facts and evidence that they are presented with.

They rather remind me of the attendees of Tommy's Holiday Camp in fact!

"...put in your earplugs
put on your eyeshades
you know where to put the cork!"

Some of us are already singing the chorus "We're not gonna take it!" Our ranks are growing too. We are just waiting for the rest of the drones to wake up.

Riffy

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