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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6950 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 7:59am

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6951 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 9:02am

glencar's one liners picked up another vote.

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6953 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 12:25pm

nankerphelge wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 7:34am:

fuman said: "People don't respect beliefs"

No.
Some people who think they know better don't respect others' beliefs.
But others respect the religious beliefs of others, so long as they do not involve practices that are criminal or nuisance. Live and let live versis live and mock others that I disagree with.

You seem to want to pin all the extremism of a few on an entire religion, whether Catholic or Islamic.
The logic is flawed.
John the religious zealot killed in the name of religion, therefore the religion is bad.
That is no different that the notion of racism.
That black/asian/mexican/white dude stole my wallet so all blacks/asians/mexicans/whites are bad.

Talk about flawed logic. You confuse inherent and acquired characteristics. The problem with the race analogy is that there is no causal connection between race and criminality, even if there is a correlation, as the correlation can be readily explained by other factors such as income level. On the other hand, there is a clear causal connection when an anti-choice fanatic murders a doctor, when a jihadi rams a jet into a building or when Catholics and Protestants gun each other down in Belfast. Religion provides cover for inhuman acts by virtue of its belief in an afterlife. A rational humanism that recognizes the unity of the human species (genetics has taught us that) and our mutual dependence upon a livable environment i(science of ecology) is the only cure for the morbid millennialism and psychotic eschatology which Christianity and Islam share.

As usual, Nietzsche put it best: "I entreat you, my brothers, remain true to the earth, and do not believe those who speak to you of superterrestrial hopes! They are poisoners, whether they know it or not. They are despisers of life, atrophying and self-poisoned men, of whom the earth is weary: so let them be gone!"

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6954 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 12:44pm

So just so I have this straight. The guy that killed Dr. Tiller was a religious zealot, but Tiller was a humane doctor who never harmed anyone? I mean it's a fact that Tiller routinely murdered babies that otherwise would have lived. He murdered babies that were well into the third trimester of pregnancy. He did for money plain and simple. So a human life is not a human life until the umbilicord is cut? I think I'd rather take the religious attitude about life thank you very much.

Just for the record, I think that the guy that killed Tiller was a murderer. However, I have zero doubts that Tiller was a murderer as well. What's the old adage that secular libs love to throw around, "karma's a bitch." Tiller got his, and I shed no tears for that greedy murderous bastard. That said, the guy that pulled the trigger should spend the rest of his life behind bars. If Tiller were still alive he should be in a cell as well.

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6956 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 1:01pm

"Talk about flawed logic. You confuse inherent and acquired characteristics. The problem with the race analogy is that there is no causal connection between race and criminality, even if there is a correlation, as the correlation can be readily explained by other factors such as income level."

You confuse relevance and irrelevance.
The point I was making to fuman was that he/she dismisses an entire group based on the acts of a few.
The key is the wholesale "dismissal" in the first place, really does not matter what was being dismissed, or why, or whether it is a valid basis for dismissing.
Got it...or do I need to type slower?

"A rational humanism that recognizes the unity of the human species (genetics has taught us that) and our mutual dependence upon a livable environment i(science of ecology) is the only cure for the morbid millennialism and psychotic eschatology which Christianity and Islam share."

Did you swallow a dictionary Peabody?

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6957 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 1:02pm

Riffhard wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 12:44pm:

So just so I have this straight. The guy that killed Dr. Tiller was a religious zealot, but Tiller was a humane doctor who never harmed anyone? I mean it's a fact that Tiller routinely murdered babies that otherwise would have lived. He murdered babies that were well into the third trimester of pregnancy. He did for money plain and simple. So a human life is not a human life until the umbilicord is cut? I think I'd rather take the religious attitude about life thank you very much.

Just for the record, I think that the guy that killed Tiller was a murderer. However, I have zero doubts that Tiller was a murderer as well. What's the old adage that secular libs love to throw around, "karma's a bitch." Tiller got his, and I shed no tears for that greedy murderous bastard. That said, the guy that pulled the trigger should spend the rest of his life behind bars. If Tiller were still alive he should be in a cell as well.

Riffy

chill out riffy. read some nietsche. then it will all be clear.

nietsche could kick your ass, btw.

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6958 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 1:02pm

Riffhard wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 12:44pm:

So just so I have this straight. The guy that killed Dr. Tiller was a religious zealot, but Tiller was a humane doctor who never harmed anyone? I mean it's a fact that Tiller routinely murdered babies that otherwise would have lived. He murdered babies that were well into the third trimester of pregnancy. He did for money plain and simple. So a human life is not a human life until the umbilicord is cut? I think I'd rather take the religious attitude about life thank you very much.

Just for the record, I think that the guy that killed Tiller was a murderer. However, I have zero doubts that Tiller was a murderer as well. What's the old adage that secular libs love to throw around, "karma's a bitch." Tiller got his, and I shed no tears for that greedy murderous bastard. That said, the guy that pulled the trigger should spend the rest of his life behind bars. If Tiller were still alive he should be in a cell as well.

Riffy

I think it's safe to say that everybody wants to reduce the number of abortions performed, in this country and worldwide.

The fact is however, not all babies (even 3rd trimester babies) are healthy enough to survive, and often the survival of the mother is in doubt should she attempt to give birth.

If someones loved one (wife, sister, mother, etc . .) was going to have a small chance of surviving the birth of their baby that had an absolute unsurvivable condition, what would your opinion be.

I believe this to be the position of Dr Tiller. That the aborted babies had zero chance of survival. Many terrible things happen while a fetus is developing, and in my view, sometimes abortion is a moral option.

Either way, it's a tough call . . .

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6959 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 1:04pm

for my baby BBJ....

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6960 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 1:10pm

speaking of religion...howe about a field trip?

ROCC in Riyadh?

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6961 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 1:19pm

fuman wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 1:02pm:

Riffhard wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 12:44pm:

So just so I have this straight. The guy that killed Dr. Tiller was a religious zealot, but Tiller was a humane doctor who never harmed anyone? I mean it's a fact that Tiller routinely murdered babies that otherwise would have lived. He murdered babies that were well into the third trimester of pregnancy. He did for money plain and simple. So a human life is not a human life until the umbilical cord is cut? I think I'd rather take the religious attitude about life thank you very much.

Just for the record, I think that the guy that killed Tiller was a murderer. However, I have zero doubts that Tiller was a murderer as well. What's the old adage that secular libs love to throw around, "karma's a bitch." Tiller got his, and I shed no tears for that greedy murderous bastard. That said, the guy that pulled the trigger should spend the rest of his life behind bars. If Tiller were still alive he should be in a cell as well.

Riffy

I think it's safe to say that everybody wants to reduce the number of abortions performed, in this country and worldwide.

The fact is however, not all babies (even 3rd trimester babies) are healthy enough to survive, and often the survival of the mother is in doubt should she attempt to give birth.

If someones loved one (wife, sister, mother, etc . .) was going to have a small chance of surviving the birth of their baby that had an absolute unsurvivable condition, what would your opinion be.

I believe this to be the position of Dr Tiller. That the aborted babies had zero chance of survival. Many terrible things happen while a fetus is developing, and in my view, sometimes abortion is a moral option.

Either way, it's a tough call . . .

funman no offense, but if you think that Tiller did not abort/murder babies that were perfectly healthy than you don't know anything about his history. The man had zero conscience when it came to the babies that he was asked to murder. He would take any, and all comers. If a girl got accidentally pregnant and she went to him a week before she was due to give birth he would murder the baby. And yes, in this case murder is the only acceptable word to use. He got what was coming to him, but I do not support the way it happened to him. I'd have rather seen him get hit by a car and die slowly and painfully on the side of the road. And before anyone starts jumping on my case about these feelings I'd like you to consider the babies that were mere days away from a live birth that had their skulls punctured and their brains sucked out for profit. Fuck Tiller. I hope he is burning in hell.

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6962 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 1:47pm

Obama destroys our economy while helping build Brazil's! He's an idiot. This should piss off everyone, but I have no doubt that Obummer supporters will find a way of defending this outrage.

How green of him! We can't drill, but Barry sees no problem in sending billions more of our money to Brazil so they can drill. Why are liberals so taken with this moron?! Because they are drones? Exactly!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6963 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:03pm

Riffhard wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 12:44pm:

So just so I have this straight. The guy that killed Dr. Tiller was a religious zealot, but Tiller was a humane doctor who never harmed anyone? I mean it's a fact that Tiller routinely murdered babies that otherwise would have lived. He murdered babies that were well into the third trimester of pregnancy. He did for money plain and simple. So a human life is not a human life until the umbilicord is cut? I think I'd rather take the religious attitude about life thank you very much.

Just for the record, I think that the guy that killed Tiller was a murderer. However, I have zero doubts that Tiller was a murderer as well. What's the old adage that secular libs love to throw around, "karma's a bitch." Tiller got his, and I shed no tears for that greedy murderous bastard. That said, the guy that pulled the trigger should spend the rest of his life behind bars. If Tiller were still alive he should be in a cell as well.

Riffy

if an abortion is legal, going by what you're saying, a state execution even though legal, is also murder... and whoever is involved would be a murderer... regardless of guilt or innocence or when you decide to say whether conception or birth is when a humns being is formed.... if the doctor legally killed, than he is not a murderer... it is a simple matter of law, and you either follow the rule of law, and say an execution or abortion are both legal killings or not... in other words, if i decided to kill a person, based on my views outside of the law, i'm a murderer, even if that person i kill has aslso killed... your rationale says you decide what is law, based on your moral and religous beliefs, and the law trumps that... anything else is unamerican and illegal... please feel free to scream until someone makes abortions illegal or find a way to make killing people legal b/c you say they deserve it, which is pretty twisted IMO.

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6964 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:05pm

Riffhard wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 1:47pm:

Obama destroys our economy while helping build Brazil's! He's an idiot. This should piss off everyone, but I have no doubt that Obummer supporters will find a way of defending this outrage.

How green of him! We can't drill, but Barry sees no problem in sending billions more of our money to Brazil so they can drill. Why are liberals so taken with this moron?! Because they are drones? Exactly!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html

Riffy

this was big news on Glenn Beck yesterday... you ever find something to bitch about without the right wing medias help? just wondering... it's pretty sheep like or should i say dronistic...

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Reply #6965 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:06pm

Wild Bill wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 7:54am:

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingForma...

John Mackey the CEO of Whole Foods has come out against ObamaCare, and the left is organizing a boycott of Whole Foods on Friday, August 21st.

We as freedom loving American need to make it a point to go to Whole Foods this Friday, August 21st to show support for John Mackey's statement.

The good thing about the leftist boycott of Whole Foods is that now the crowd there will look like normal people without the smelly hippies.

They have a great lunch buffet too!

i see more punks and suburban normies in whole foods than hippies...

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Re: Shop at Whole Foods Market, Aug. 21, 2009
Reply #6966 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:08pm

Pdog wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:06pm:

Wild Bill wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 7:54am:

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingForma...

John Mackey the CEO of Whole Foods has come out against ObamaCare, and the left is organizing a boycott of Whole Foods on Friday, August 21st.

We as freedom loving American need to make it a point to go to Whole Foods this Friday, August 21st to show support for John Mackey's statement.

The good thing about the leftist boycott of Whole Foods is that now the crowd there will look like normal people without the smelly hippies.

They have a great lunch buffet too!

i see more punks and suburban normies in whole foods than hippies...

whole paycheck. hippies grow their own!!!

smoking more weed is good for your health

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6967 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:12pm

Pdog wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:03pm:

Riffhard wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 12:44pm:

So just so I have this straight. The guy that killed Dr. Tiller was a religious zealot, but Tiller was a humane doctor who never harmed anyone? I mean it's a fact that Tiller routinely murdered babies that otherwise would have lived. He murdered babies that were well into the third trimester of pregnancy. He did for money plain and simple. So a human life is not a human life until the umbilicord is cut? I think I'd rather take the religious attitude about life thank you very much.

Just for the record, I think that the guy that killed Tiller was a murderer. However, I have zero doubts that Tiller was a murderer as well. What's the old adage that secular libs love to throw around, "karma's a bitch." Tiller got his, and I shed no tears for that greedy murderous bastard. That said, the guy that pulled the trigger should spend the rest of his life behind bars. If Tiller were still alive he should be in a cell as well.

Riffy

if an abortion is legal, going by what you're saying, a state execution even though legal, is also murder... and whoever is involved would be a murderer... regardless of guilt or innocence or when you decide to say whether conception or birth is when a humns being is formed.... if the doctor legally killed, than he is not a murderer... it is a simple matter of law, and you either follow the rule of law, and say an execution or abortion are both legal killings or not... in other words, if i decided to kill a person, based on my views outside of the law, i'm a murderer, even if that person i kill has aslso killed... your rationale says you decide what is law, based on your moral and religous beliefs, and the law trumps that... anything else is unamerican and illegal... please feel free to scream until someone makes abortions illegal or find a way to make killing people legal b/c you say they deserve it, which is pretty twisted IMO.

If someone commits murder and is found guilty of the charge and it is heinous enough for that person to receive the death sentence than so be it. Nobody in their right mind can make the case that a baby in the late third trimester is guilty of anything! Tiller may have been innocent in the strictest sense of the word, but his actions were, by any sane rational, morally repugnant. I made it clear that I did not think that he should have been murdered. I merely said that I have zero sympathy for him, and that karma came around. He may not have committed murder in the eyes of the insane laws of the state of Kansas, but anyone that would not consider it murder to kill a feasible life just weeks before birth has no moral compass. Tiller did not have any sense of morality. He got got. Fuck him.

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6968 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:19pm

Pdog wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:05pm:

Riffhard wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 1:47pm:

Obama destroys our economy while helping build Brazil's! He's an idiot. This should piss off everyone, but I have no doubt that Obummer supporters will find a way of defending this outrage.

How green of him! We can't drill, but Barry sees no problem in sending billions more of our money to Brazil so they can drill. Why are liberals so taken with this moron?! Because they are drones? Exactly!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html

Riffy

this was big news on Glenn Beck yesterday... you ever find something to bitch about without the right wing medias help? just wondering... it's pretty sheep like or should i say dronistic...

I could give two flying fucks if it was on Beck yesterday! I just saw the story on the Wall Street Journal's webpage. I don't even watch Beck! Are you saying that if Beck, Hannity, Rush, or any other right wing pundit reports it than it must be bogus news?

The fucking clown is sending billions of tax payer money to prop up Brazil's oil industry while at the same time denying the USA's oil companies a chance at drilling here! That does not bother you in the least?! Gee, I guess the unemployment rate of over 10% is fine so long as we're funding job creation in Brazil, not to mention cheap gas for all the Brazilians.

The man is a joke! Period! He is underming his own country while proping up another country. Why? Because he believes in worldwide wealth redistribution! For fucks sake Pdog! How can you defend this fucking clown?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6969 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:20pm

Riffhard wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:12pm:

Pdog wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:03pm:

Riffhard wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 12:44pm:

So just so I have this straight. The guy that killed Dr. Tiller was a religious zealot, but Tiller was a humane doctor who never harmed anyone? I mean it's a fact that Tiller routinely murdered babies that otherwise would have lived. He murdered babies that were well into the third trimester of pregnancy. He did for money plain and simple. So a human life is not a human life until the umbilicord is cut? I think I'd rather take the religious attitude about life thank you very much.

Just for the record, I think that the guy that killed Tiller was a murderer. However, I have zero doubts that Tiller was a murderer as well. What's the old adage that secular libs love to throw around, "karma's a bitch." Tiller got his, and I shed no tears for that greedy murderous bastard. That said, the guy that pulled the trigger should spend the rest of his life behind bars. If Tiller were still alive he should be in a cell as well.

Riffy

if an abortion is legal, going by what you're saying, a state execution even though legal, is also murder... and whoever is involved would be a murderer... regardless of guilt or innocence or when you decide to say whether conception or birth is when a humns being is formed.... if the doctor legally killed, than he is not a murderer... it is a simple matter of law, and you either follow the rule of law, and say an execution or abortion are both legal killings or not... in other words, if i decided to kill a person, based on my views outside of the law, i'm a murderer, even if that person i kill has aslso killed... your rationale says you decide what is law, based on your moral and religous beliefs, and the law trumps that... anything else is unamerican and illegal... please feel free to scream until someone makes abortions illegal or find a way to make killing people legal b/c you say they deserve it, which is pretty twisted IMO.

If someone commits murder and is found guilty of the charge and it is heinous enough for that person to receive the death sentence than so be it. Nobody in their right mind can make the case that a baby in the late third trimester is guilty of anything! Tiller may have been innocent in the strictest sense of the word, but his actions were, by any sane rational, morally repugnant. I made it clear that I did not think that he should have been murdered. I merely said that I have zero sympathy for him, and that karma came around. He may not have committed murder in the eyes of the insane laws of the state of Kansas, but anyone that would not consider it murder to kill a feasible life just weeks before birth has no moral compass. Tiller did not have any sense of morality. He got got. Fuck him.

Riffy

it's a matter of law... you seem to miss this. it's not about your opinion or sympathy, it's about law, by your justification anyone can basically make a reason to kill someone... no one is saying anything about guilt or innocence regarding an abortion... by your logic, it should be ok to kill someone when i decide their actions have crossed my moral threshold...
I think the truth is, that this mans death has more of an impact on you or me, than some abortion that involves people we will never know or meet... and this doctrs life and death has very little impact on my life oractically speaking... so I can only wonder why, issues like this really bother people like you. You seem driven by abortion, gay rights and things that really have no impact on your life at all... none of what these people do how they live really matters, yet you're so passionate about telling these people what to do and how to live... jesus, i just called you a democrat... i'm sorry!!!

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6970 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:30pm

Pdog wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:20pm:

Riffhard wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:12pm:

Pdog wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:03pm:

Riffhard wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 12:44pm:

So just so I have this straight. The guy that killed Dr. Tiller was a religious zealot, but Tiller was a humane doctor who never harmed anyone? I mean it's a fact that Tiller routinely murdered babies that otherwise would have lived. He murdered babies that were well into the third trimester of pregnancy. He did for money plain and simple. So a human life is not a human life until the umbilicord is cut? I think I'd rather take the religious attitude about life thank you very much.

Just for the record, I think that the guy that killed Tiller was a murderer. However, I have zero doubts that Tiller was a murderer as well. What's the old adage that secular libs love to throw around, "karma's a bitch." Tiller got his, and I shed no tears for that greedy murderous bastard. That said, the guy that pulled the trigger should spend the rest of his life behind bars. If Tiller were still alive he should be in a cell as well.

Riffy

if an abortion is legal, going by what you're saying, a state execution even though legal, is also murder... and whoever is involved would be a murderer... regardless of guilt or innocence or when you decide to say whether conception or birth is when a humns being is formed.... if the doctor legally killed, than he is not a murderer... it is a simple matter of law, and you either follow the rule of law, and say an execution or abortion are both legal killings or not... in other words, if i decided to kill a person, based on my views outside of the law, i'm a murderer, even if that person i kill has aslso killed... your rationale says you decide what is law, based on your moral and religous beliefs, and the law trumps that... anything else is unamerican and illegal... please feel free to scream until someone makes abortions illegal or find a way to make killing people legal b/c you say they deserve it, which is pretty twisted IMO.

If someone commits murder and is found guilty of the charge and it is heinous enough for that person to receive the death sentence than so be it. Nobody in their right mind can make the case that a baby in the late third trimester is guilty of anything! Tiller may have been innocent in the strictest sense of the word, but his actions were, by any sane rational, morally repugnant. I made it clear that I did not think that he should have been murdered. I merely said that I have zero sympathy for him, and that karma came around. He may not have committed murder in the eyes of the insane laws of the state of Kansas, but anyone that would not consider it murder to kill a feasible life just weeks before birth has no moral compass. Tiller did not have any sense of morality. He got got. Fuck him.

Riffy

it's a matter of law... you seem to miss this. it's not about your opinion or sympathy, it's about law, by your justification anyone can basically make a reason to kill someone... no one is saying anything about guilt or innocence regarding an abortion... by your logic, it should be ok to kill someone when i decide their actions have crossed my moral threshold...
I think the truth is, that this mans death has more of an impact on you or me, than some abortion that involves people we will never know or meet... and this doctrs life and death has very little impact on my life oractically speaking... so I can only wonder why, issues like this really bother people like you. You seem driven by abortion, gay rights and things that really have no impact on your life at all... none of what these people do how they live really matters, yet you're so passionate about telling these people what to do and how to live... jesus, i just called you a democrat... i'm sorry!!!

Pdog please allow to repeat what I have said from the outset very slowly...I......do......not......agree.....with the.....way......that Tiller the Baby Killer......was.......murdered.......I think it was.........wrong. I have said that three times now! I said that what happened to Tiller was, in a liberal secular way of thinking, karma. The man that killed him should be sent to prison for the rest of his life! I said that too.

I just refuse to have any sympathy for Tiller. In fact, I have more sympathy for the man that killed him. His life is now forfeited because he broke the law. As well as it should be, but Tiller had no problem killing for profit. Why do liberals love to hate hired guns like Blackwater, but immediately rise to the defence of an abortionist who showed zero regards to the life of perfectly formed baby? I mean Blackwater was killing terrorists, Tiller was killing babies. Who do the liberals defend? Who do the liberals despise? Yet liberals always claim to be for the poor and helpless among us. Bullshit. Liberals are for their ideology, and little else.

Riffy

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6971 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:41pm

Riffhard wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:30pm:

Pdog wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:20pm:

Riffhard wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:12pm:

Pdog wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:03pm:

Riffhard wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 12:44pm:

So just so I have this straight. The guy that killed Dr. Tiller was a religious zealot, but Tiller was a humane doctor who never harmed anyone? I mean it's a fact that Tiller routinely murdered babies that otherwise would have lived. He murdered babies that were well into the third trimester of pregnancy. He did for money plain and simple. So a human life is not a human life until the umbilicord is cut? I think I'd rather take the religious attitude about life thank you very much.

Just for the record, I think that the guy that killed Tiller was a murderer. However, I have zero doubts that Tiller was a murderer as well. What's the old adage that secular libs love to throw around, "karma's a bitch." Tiller got his, and I shed no tears for that greedy murderous bastard. That said, the guy that pulled the trigger should spend the rest of his life behind bars. If Tiller were still alive he should be in a cell as well.

Riffy

if an abortion is legal, going by what you're saying, a state execution even though legal, is also murder... and whoever is involved would be a murderer... regardless of guilt or innocence or when you decide to say whether conception or birth is when a humns being is formed.... if the doctor legally killed, than he is not a murderer... it is a simple matter of law, and you either follow the rule of law, and say an execution or abortion are both legal killings or not... in other words, if i decided to kill a person, based on my views outside of the law, i'm a murderer, even if that person i kill has aslso killed... your rationale says you decide what is law, based on your moral and religous beliefs, and the law trumps that... anything else is unamerican and illegal... please feel free to scream until someone makes abortions illegal or find a way to make killing people legal b/c you say they deserve it, which is pretty twisted IMO.

If someone commits murder and is found guilty of the charge and it is heinous enough for that person to receive the death sentence than so be it. Nobody in their right mind can make the case that a baby in the late third trimester is guilty of anything! Tiller may have been innocent in the strictest sense of the word, but his actions were, by any sane rational, morally repugnant. I made it clear that I did not think that he should have been murdered. I merely said that I have zero sympathy for him, and that karma came around. He may not have committed murder in the eyes of the insane laws of the state of Kansas, but anyone that would not consider it murder to kill a feasible life just weeks before birth has no moral compass. Tiller did not have any sense of morality. He got got. Fuck him.

Riffy

it's a matter of law... you seem to miss this. it's not about your opinion or sympathy, it's about law, by your justification anyone can basically make a reason to kill someone... no one is saying anything about guilt or innocence regarding an abortion... by your logic, it should be ok to kill someone when i decide their actions have crossed my moral threshold...
I think the truth is, that this mans death has more of an impact on you or me, than some abortion that involves people we will never know or meet... and this doctrs life and death has very little impact on my life oractically speaking... so I can only wonder why, issues like this really bother people like you. You seem driven by abortion, gay rights and things that really have no impact on your life at all... none of what these people do how they live really matters, yet you're so passionate about telling these people what to do and how to live... jesus, i just called you a democrat... i'm sorry!!!

Pdog please allow to repeat what I have said from the outset very slowly...I......do......not......agree.....with the.....way......that Tiller the Baby Killer......was.......murdered.......I think it was.........wrong. I have said that three times now! I said that what happened to Tiller was, in a liberal secular way of thinking, karma. The man that killed him should be sent to prison for the rest of his life! I said that too.

I just refuse to have any sympathy for Tiller. In fact, I have more sympathy for the man that killed him. His life is now forfeited because he broke the law. As well as it should be, but Tiller had no problem killing for profit. Why do liberals love to hate hired guns like Blackwater, but immediately rise to the defence of an abortionist who showed zero regards to the life of perfectly formed baby? I mean Blackwater was killing terrorists, Tiller was killing babies. Who do the liberals defend? Who do the liberals despise? Yet liberals always claim to be for the poor and helpless among us. Bullshit. Liberals are for their ideology, and little else.

Riffy

it's interesting you bring up blackwater, they have killed innocents and have been accused of some pretty nasty shit... you yourself said in regards to children being killed when we bombed targets, that they were just terrorists babies anyways... you think that the doctors murderer should get life in prison only? what if he was given the death penalty? isn't that just another type of late term abortion? you fail to answer my real question. how does the life of a gay person you will never meet or an abortion involving people you will never know matter to you? By your rational, should booze be illegal b/c some people drink and kill? Where does this line of thinking end? you're really sounding like a democrat... just on selective issues, based on your moral perspective... which by the way, differs from millions and in the case of an abortion, is legal... b/c you're incorrect, when you say the doctro killed, that is opinion, an abortion is not killing to all and not under the law, you do obey the law right? you never would knowingly break any laws? Or do you decide what you obey and get on a pulpit and tell others what they should do based on your moral views? once again, very democrat of you.

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6974 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 3:08pm

Pdog wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:41pm:

Riffhard wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:30pm:

Pdog wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:20pm:

Riffhard wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:12pm:

Pdog wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:03pm:

Riffhard wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 12:44pm:

So just so I have this straight. The guy that killed Dr. Tiller was a religious zealot, but Tiller was a humane doctor who never harmed anyone? I mean it's a fact that Tiller routinely murdered babies that otherwise would have lived. He murdered babies that were well into the third trimester of pregnancy. He did for money plain and simple. So a human life is not a human life until the umbilicord is cut? I think I'd rather take the religious attitude about life thank you very much.

Just for the record, I think that the guy that killed Tiller was a murderer. However, I have zero doubts that Tiller was a murderer as well. What's the old adage that secular libs love to throw around, "karma's a bitch." Tiller got his, and I shed no tears for that greedy murderous bastard. That said, the guy that pulled the trigger should spend the rest of his life behind bars. If Tiller were still alive he should be in a cell as well.

Riffy

if an abortion is legal, going by what you're saying, a state execution even though legal, is also murder... and whoever is involved would be a murderer... regardless of guilt or innocence or when you decide to say whether conception or birth is when a humns being is formed.... if the doctor legally killed, than he is not a murderer... it is a simple matter of law, and you either follow the rule of law, and say an execution or abortion are both legal killings or not... in other words, if i decided to kill a person, based on my views outside of the law, i'm a murderer, even if that person i kill has aslso killed... your rationale says you decide what is law, based on your moral and religous beliefs, and the law trumps that... anything else is unamerican and illegal... please feel free to scream until someone makes abortions illegal or find a way to make killing people legal b/c you say they deserve it, which is pretty twisted IMO.

If someone commits murder and is found guilty of the charge and it is heinous enough for that person to receive the death sentence than so be it. Nobody in their right mind can make the case that a baby in the late third trimester is guilty of anything! Tiller may have been innocent in the strictest sense of the word, but his actions were, by any sane rational, morally repugnant. I made it clear that I did not think that he should have been murdered. I merely said that I have zero sympathy for him, and that karma came around. He may not have committed murder in the eyes of the insane laws of the state of Kansas, but anyone that would not consider it murder to kill a feasible life just weeks before birth has no moral compass. Tiller did not have any sense of morality. He got got. Fuck him.

Riffy

it's a matter of law... you seem to miss this. it's not about your opinion or sympathy, it's about law, by your justification anyone can basically make a reason to kill someone... no one is saying anything about guilt or innocence regarding an abortion... by your logic, it should be ok to kill someone when i decide their actions have crossed my moral threshold...
I think the truth is, that this mans death has more of an impact on you or me, than some abortion that involves people we will never know or meet... and this doctrs life and death has very little impact on my life oractically speaking... so I can only wonder why, issues like this really bother people like you. You seem driven by abortion, gay rights and things that really have no impact on your life at all... none of what these people do how they live really matters, yet you're so passionate about telling these people what to do and how to live... jesus, i just called you a democrat... i'm sorry!!!

Pdog please allow to repeat what I have said from the outset very slowly...I......do......not......agree.....with the.....way......that Tiller the Baby Killer......was.......murdered.......I think it was.........wrong. I have said that three times now! I said that what happened to Tiller was, in a liberal secular way of thinking, karma. The man that killed him should be sent to prison for the rest of his life! I said that too.

I just refuse to have any sympathy for Tiller. In fact, I have more sympathy for the man that killed him. His life is now forfeited because he broke the law. As well as it should be, but Tiller had no problem killing for profit. Why do liberals love to hate hired guns like Blackwater, but immediately rise to the defence of an abortionist who showed zero regards to the life of perfectly formed baby? I mean Blackwater was killing terrorists, Tiller was killing babies. Who do the liberals defend? Who do the liberals despise? Yet liberals always claim to be for the poor and helpless among us. Bullshit. Liberals are for their ideology, and little else.

Riffy

it's interesting you bring up blackwater, they have killed innocents and have been accused of some pretty nasty shit... you yourself said in regards to children being killed when we bombed targets, that they were just terrorists babies anyways...

Please cite an example of me ever saying such a thing. I have never said that!

If the agents for Blackwater killed innocents on purpose, in other words, murdered them, then they should be prosecuted.

As to the absurd comparison of the death sentence being another form of late term abortion. That is ridiculous! A murderer, by definition is not innocent! An unborn baby is the very definition of innocent! How you can make that comparison is stunning. Can you not see the difference between a grown adult who kills someone out of malice, and a baby whose only crime was to be conceived inconveniently?

I take it that you supported Tiller because what he did was legal? I have made it abundantly clear here, Pdog. I think that what happened to Tiller is nothing more than karma biting the man in the ass. He flaunted the fact that he would perform abortions on babies that were fully formed and could have survived outside the womb. You think he was just swell for doing that? He was scum, and that is based not just on my morality, but because you would have to be amoral to see it any other way.

Scott Peterson was sentenced to prison for the double murder of his wife, and his unborn child. Tiller killed babies that were mere weeks away from live birth, and were perfectly healthy, and you act as if there is nothing wrong with that. That stuns me. Go to any maternity ward and take a good long look at a baby that was born a month early. Now can you imagine puncturing the skull of that child and vacuuming it's brains out for profit? Well Tiller did just that, but he did on babies that were only a couple of weeks premature. The babies that he murdered were even more viable than most prmature babies in the thousands of maternity wards around the country. The only difference is that those babies were still happily floating around the amniotic sac waiting to be born until a drill invaded that sac and murdered them.

If you want to defend Tiller fine, but I think that the man was the very defintion of evil.

Riffy

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