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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6916 - Aug 20th, 2009 at 6:51am
Riffhard wrote on Aug 19 th, 2009 at 9:43pm: Pdog wrote on Aug 19 th, 2009 at 9:20pm: Riffhard wrote on Aug 19 th, 2009 at 8:18pm: Pdog wrote on Aug 19 th, 2009 at 7:43pm: Riffhard wrote on Aug 19 th, 2009 at 6:47pm: fuman wrote on Aug 19 th, 2009 at 6:28pm: Pdog wrote on Aug 19 th, 2009 at 5:07pm: fuman wrote on Aug 19 th, 2009 at 4:36pm: It's certainly ugly.
It will pass with a public option because Obama is a decent human being, and he's doing this for the right reason.
Blue dogs will get on the correct side of this. riffy is going to yell at you and call you obscene names for this... That's probable, but it's what I believe the outcome will be. He doesn't. Somehow our liberty will be threatened (in a way that the Patriot Act doesn't). I find it interesting, how the arguments of the opposing side are almost entirely based on faulty information. And while I do entertain the possibility that I too have misinformation guiding my opinion, I don't fall for the obvious lies (euthanasia, socialist agenda, not a citizen, etc). I often wonder if an adult debate will happen. This is going to cost a bundle, but at least we're spending on citizens, not multi billion dollar industries. Not a fucking war based on LIES. Not a fucking crusade to kill Muslims. Yeah, Obama's different. He's better. See you are once again misreading what Obama's intentions are. You are also making claims about the opposition's "faulty information". The socialist agenda is absolutly correct. Or do you just willingly ignore the man's entire history? Euthanasia? WTF are you talking about? Are you talkibng about the "death panels"? Because if you are you are, once again, wrong. Please see the House Bill Section 1233 pages 25,26,27. It spells out it out rather clearly that the government would gauge a person's life expectancy, and then decide on the treatment given. This has already been struck from the bill because Palin touched a nerve, and then people actually read the bill and were rightly outraged. As for the non-citizen. Well funman, you're wrong again! Bravo! The WH is having a real tough time juggling all of their lies, but yes, non citizens would be covered should a public option become reality. I still am trying to figure out why you guys have so much faith in the government determining your health care requirements? Are you so enamored of the federal governement running everything that you would hand over your health care choices to a bunch of bureaucrats in Washington whose number one agenda is saving money? Oh, and don't forget, if you want to keep the insirance that you have now the federal government will now impose punative taxes on you. Great! Riffy See, you can respond without being mean... my hat is off to you. Pdog you gotta know that there are only a few posters here that will never ever get a civil response from me. Tops on that list is JC/Flea. The guy called me, and several other posters nazis and then he stormed off like a little pussy. He then comes back with a very offensive alias, and does so just to rub it peoples' faces. Plus he constantly posts these insipid elitist "holier than thou" (pardon the pun) posts just tripping with contempt for those he apparently hates. I was nice to the guy, I got him a press kit at the blimp event. I drank with the man, and how do I get treated when our political differences come to light? With the most hateful exit post in the history of this site. I haven't time for the bastard. He made his bed, and I could give two flying fucks about him now. It'd be safe to say that I wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire. Otherwise I'd have no problem pissing on him. Other than JC/Flea and a couple of others, who needn't be mentioned here, I try not too get personal or overly nasty. Unless you consider the word "drone" nasty. I just can't come up with a word that is more accurate than drone. Sometimes I get a little testy, but hey that's the nature of political debate. Riffy I understand your feelings about the past... but you're contradicting yourself, you say you don't care, when the truth is you care alot. I get it, he did something that you feel was fucked up... but you either do what you say and don't give a fuck or you do what you've been doing and give it all the negative energy... you can piss on him, just sometimes you piss on some others... then again, i remember when we invaded iraq, you were ok with colleteral damage, something that i find disturbing. anyway it is what it is... Well Pdog the deal is this from my perspective. I really don't care about the guy. However, when a post of his is directed at me, or my views with the sole intent of trying to belittle me, or my views then I will respond in kind. As for the war in Iraq goes. I think you may have misunderstood my views on collateral damage. I am not at all ok with it, but I know that the history of warfare includes collateral damage, and I accept that as a cold hard fact of war. Nobody in their right mind likes war, and certainly not the loss of innocent life to collateral damage, but such is the price of such nasty business. I'm not ok with it though. I just accept it as a fact that can never be changed. I mean if you look at the history of warfare, and compare it to the loss of innocent life by today's satndards it's not even close. The USA has the most sophisticated technologically advanced weaponery in the world. Yet even with these very advanced "smart weapons" accidents happen. Did collateral damage happen in Iraq? Absolutely. However, we have tried to limit that damage to the extent that our science can. Compare our efforts to those of the IED loving terrorists and it's easy to see that we are certainly on the moral high ground here. There is zero moral equivalency between the terrorists and the USA. Whether you agreed with the war in Iraq or not is not really the point. I'd say that the policy can be debated, but to try and claim that the USA was acting in an evil way is absurd. The same can not be said about the enemy. Riffy PS-I'm not claiming that you, Pdog, were saying that the USA was acting with evil intent btw. those same IED's are being used mostly against Iraqi civilians... there were no attacks like that prior to us invading. For you accept colleteral death "as a cold hard fact" is a matter of opinion... you may accept it, other do not... I know the survivors then have a reason to want to attack and kill us... how many become emboldened after being bombed by us? Afterall, didn't we do the same thing, only with these advanced weapons, that may make mistakes. It's semantics. "By far the greater part of violence that humans have inflicted on each other is not the work of criminal's or the mentally deranged, but of normal, respectable citizens in service of the collective ego." You may not agree, but this is a great fact for me...
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