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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6687 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 9:28am
Riffhard wrote on Aug 7 th, 2009 at 8:27am: Pdog wrote on Aug 7 th, 2009 at 8:13am: Riffhard wrote on Aug 7 th, 2009 at 7:59am: Pdog wrote on Aug 7 th, 2009 at 7:45am: Riffhard wrote on Aug 7 th, 2009 at 6:55am: Back to the topic at hand. The health care bill is crap, and it's running in to problems all over the country. It's pretty funny to hear the WH, and Axelrod in particular, try and dismiss the protesters as "astroturf protesters". Pelosi has equated us to Nazis. This seems to be a liberal tactic long used by the unhinged Leftists. Isn't that right JC?
It's funny because to date the only side that has sent out any missives, or any e-mails rallying the troops is the White House itself! These Marxists (and YES, they are Marxists!) are accusing those of us that are not at all happy with this government power grab are "angry mobs", and the like. So what does White House deputy chief of staff Jim Messina have to say to his own hired mob? “If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard” Good little brownshirt, huh?
They know damned good and well that they have a looser on their hands, but they are not ready to lessen their grip on power. And make no mistake, this is nothing less than a massive power grab and the largest exspansion of government in US history. Why is that these Democrats in congress are not willing to accpet this plan for their own families? No, they aren't going to have to live with it, but they insist that we do! That doesn't strike any of you liberals as a bit odd? Even Obama himself has said right up front that he hasn't read the bill! The bill that he is trying to ram down everyone's throats is a bill that he hasn't even read! On page 68 of the bill it says that the federal government will be able to reach into your personal bank accounts in order to pay for a health care plan that you can't even cast a vote on!!! Does that sound even slightly like America to you??!?!?! Now Barry, and his minions, is going to be able to access your personal checking account!!! Great plan, huh drones?!?!?!?! As I said in an earlier post. You libs will not be in power forever (even though that is the ultimate goal for this bill), and when you loose power all the power that you are handing over to Barry Co. will be in the hands of the Republicans. Are you ready to trust them with your health care plan? Why would you?! Your medical choices should remain between you, your family members, and your doctor, not some nameless faceless bureaucrat in Washington. Can any of liberals honestly tell me that if your child or elderly parent, or even yourself, were in dire need of emergency medical attention, and exspensive medications that you would rather have a politician deciding if it was "cost effective" to grant you the needed treatment or meds? Because in every single country where socialized health care is in place those desicissions are by being made by people in those governements who don't even know the patient in question. You're okay with that?!
You people that think that this plan is the answer are delusional. Not one of you has read this 1,017 page bill, yet you're ready to just trust Obama! Yes, we need health care reform, but not some grand socialist experiment that has never worked anywhere it's been tried. To you supporters of this I ask you this. Do you guys really want to just trust the government to get it right? Are you so unhappy with the health coverage that you already get that you are ready to hand the choices over to the same government that has already bankrupted Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security?! You think that they can expand government and by some miracle give us all better coverage, and save money at the same time? You're nuts if you think like that.
Wake up! Your government is trying to steal your liberty! That is NOT hyberbole either! Only a blind leftist would think so.
Riffy tll me you read it all, i need a good laugh... you remember the patriot act, the great piece of legislation you read all that too, when you said it has to pass or we will die. last wekk i posted some of the prok in that... let's not let reading and facts get in the way... thanks for keeping my faith intact, and posting some mean stuff about another person. Huh, Pdog, I never claimed that I had read the entire bill! I have read portions of it that even dear leader Obama hasn't read though apparently. I also know that John Conyers (D-Mich) has claimed that it's basically pointless to read the bill anyway! Why should he bothered to read a bil that will effect every single man, woman, and child in the country?! He knows all he needs to know. He will get much more control! Yippee! Here's your wonderful Dem leadership in action!---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t32ckkdlcao&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo%2Egoogle%2Eco...So Pdog I guess that means that you're ready to just "trust" the same politicians that you have always railed against? Why would that be? Riffy Trust no, it is just awesome watching the tables turn , and seeing you spin out on something, that a few years ago, you supported legislation that was written the same way... you are even using the same argument that was used against that, almost verbatum. It's awesome to watch the hypocisy from both sides. You even criticize the Afganistan now. You talk about US deaths and struggles there, but when it was Bush, no mention of setbacks or casualties, without the context of fully supporting our troops. A 180 turn. The only thing that hasn't changed is the passion of hate you display towards anyone who thinks different or feels different than you do... Authoritarian! This is a great quote: ‘I have an agreement with my people: they can say what they like and I can do what I like’. Pdog you are trying to suggest that I am being two faced here, I guess? Well you could not be more wrong! This bill, unlike any bill that Bush, or any other president in US history has passed or attempted to pass, will increase the size and power of the federal government to something that is completely antithetical to everything that our counttry was founded on! This is the exact kind of legislation that the Founding Fathers warned us about over, and over, and over again!!! It is the single largest exspansion of government control ever. It's not even close! Do you get it?!?! This ain't about partisanship with me Pdog! I don't want either Dems or Repubs deciding my health care options! I want to leave those choices to myself, my family members, and my doctor. Period!!! As for my criticism of what's happening in Afghanistan. You've got me wrong here boy-o. I am not critical of the war, or the effort. In fact I wholly support it. I AM critical of the complete double standard that leftists are so blatantly guilty of. If this horrible month in Afghanistan had happened during Bush's term Olberfuck, Matthews, and the rest of the Barry blowing media would have cruixified him. Since Barry has taken office there is suddenly no clamoring for photos of caskets returning home. There are no mass protests in the streets with pictures of Obama sporting a Hitler stash. No, I was merely pointing out the hypocisy. Again. Riffy "Pdog you are trying to suggest that I am being two faced here, I guess? Well you could not be more wrong!" I never used that term. What I said was: "you are even using the same argument that was used against that, almost verbatum" So, once again, I have to point out, how you construct a debate, you make up something I didn't say, then temm me I'm worng. You're having an argument with yourself, setting your own topic and using things unsaid, as a basis to make a point... "It is the single largest exspansion of government control ever." Is it more than are controlled by DHS... all 22 agencies that were incoporated into and the new one built up... have you really crunched the numbers? Or are you just geting this info from Rush or some blog and telling us it is fact? I know at the time, you had zero concerns about the semnatics of the legislation or the flaws and concerns, and said to me personally, i was unpatriotic for questionong this largest expansin of govt. and consolidation power with less accountabilty. Funny now you care about such things! There'a big irony isn't there? You should've questioned your govt. more then. The blind allegiance now cuts the other way. Like I've said before, you at least are luckier than me, you just started feeling fucked, It hasn't stopped for me....
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