Riffhard wrote on Aug 5^th, 2009 at 3:04pm:



Not hatred, but deep concern. I don't have any personal fear, I'm white.
More light will be shed on what has been going on in the name of religion.


I think you know what it's like to be a non believer, when you consider the Koran as the true word of God.
Isn't it obvious to you that the Koran is not the true word of God?
Isn't it obvious to you that those that do believe in the Koran, have a perfect barrier to any critical questions of this text?

J bringing the A.

"I was just surprised when I looked up your "some lawyer" and saw it was Orly Taitz.   She's a rather well-known kook.  I would think you would "vet" your info before you pass it along to the rest of the gang. Unless you were just maliciously spreading spurious misinformation."

That's funny - me spreading "spurious misinformation" when I post that a lawyer has produced a Kenyan birth cert. and link to the site. 

YOU are the one that has tried in every way possible to suggest that the document must be false because the person presenting it is a "kook," or that I vouch or otherwise align myself with said kook, or that I should have never posted the information without some disclaimer that the lawyer is a "kook."

I think we all know who the kook really is!

And that IS shooting the messenger.
You may not be a gun freak, but you are still a freak.

Anyway, I don't care who she is, I would like to understand the document.

What's that?

Oh sure, here ya go...
from the Examiner (disclaimer:  your mileage may vary):

Along with the introduction of what appears to be the most valid-looking Obama birth certificate came an almost immediate attempt to debunk it. This attempt was immediately eaten up by MSNBC, Obama’s main propaganda network, by hosts like Keith Olbermann.


The main argument of this attempt to debunk the certificate is that Kenya hadn’t yet become a republic at the time the document was dated: Feb 14, 1964. The argument is that Kenya was officially declared a republic in December of that year.
The second most important argument is that the region he was born in wasn’t called Mombasa at the time: it was instead Zanzibar.
Another argument is that the hospital he was supposedly born in was called “Coast Provincial General Hospital,” yet the document says “Coast General Hospital.”
One more argument is that his father’s address has within it “Nyanza Province,” but at the time it would have been called “Central Nyanza District.”
The final argument is that his father would have been 24 or 25 at the time, not 26, as the document states.

There are other suspicious, circumstantial arguments, too.
The document number is said to be 47O44, seemingly a compilation of his age as of the time the document was obtained “47,” his presidential order “44,” and an O for Obama.
Also, the Signature of the Registrar’s name is E.F. Lavender, an abbreviation of a name of detergent called “Earth Friendly Lavender.”

At first look, this seems like a lot of evidence that the document is a forgery. That is, until we actually take the time to dissect these claims.

Kenya was first announced as the “Republic of Kenya” in the country’s Constitution, dated Dec. 12, 1963. It is claimed that everything wasn’t official with the name change until Dec. 1964, which is true; however, it took a year to make this gradual change. It didn’t happen in one day. "CHAPTER I - THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA, Article 1, Kenya is a sovereign Republic. Article 1A, The Republic of Kenya shall be a multiparty democratic state…" The 1964 date that people are confusing involves an act of the British Parliament in regard to the Commonwealth of Nations, not the origin of the Republic.

The “Central Nyanza District” argument is just total hogwash. The area changed names to “Nyanza Province” even before his dad was born there.

The absence of “Provincial” in the hospital’s name is irrelevant. You can find it named with and without that word in its title from multiple sources.

Mombasa became part of Kenya in 1963, so having the document obtained in 1964 would require a name change of his place of origin from Zanzibar to Mombasa.
Barack Obama, Jr. was born in Aug., 1961.    Barack Obama, Sr.’s birthday is more obscure. It is said he was born in 1936, but no specific date is given. If this is true, it would make him 25. As the actual date is obscure, it doesn’t appear to be a huge dilemma that he may have been born instead in 1935. In addition, birth certificates aren’t necessary for the creation of new ones. Am I off-base to think Barack Jr. may have learned his trick of birth secrecy from someone?

Well that sums up the important arguments. Now for the circumstantial ones.

I don’t really even understand what is funny about having “E. F. Lavender” as a Registrar. Couldn’t a forger have come up with a funnier name? What does a dish detergent have to do with any of this? Do people think no one is named E.F. Lavender? Here’s a picture of Eric Lavender in Uganda, which neighbors Kenya. Maybe this is the guy? One guy even told me he saw Registrar Lavender’s plaque in the Registrar’s office. I guess I don’t even understand why people consider this an issue. If I were forging the document, I’d rather put a funnier, more relevant name in that slot, like B. M. Helfmovment.

The only interesting thing about the birth certificate to me is the file number, but even this has been fudged slightly. It is said that the number is “47O44” from propaganda issuers like Keith Olbermann. There is no O in the number, it’s a 0. That’s zero if you still can’t tell the difference. I admit the other numbers are coincidental, but I think it is far too assumptive to mean they discredit anything. I know I’ve had much bigger coincidences happen in my life.

The goal of this article is not to say that the birth certificate is 100% authentic. It may be a hoax. The goal of the article is to show that the Obama sheeple are clinging to debunking propaganda, which for all we know may have been initiated by the Obama campaign itself, in order to try to maintain the idea that their leader is innocent. We don’t know if it’s legitimate, yet. But right now, the birth certificate has not been properly debunked. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out. Taitz’s court date is set for December. Other lawyers from across the country are on top of many of the other issues regarding the birth certificate problem.

Many sheeple have been questioning why the birthers have been claiming that this might be real when it is a copy and not the original, like the Hawaiian one birthers want to see. The reason is that this is a copy of an actual registration. The Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth isn’t a copy of a real birth certificate. They could be obtained by citizens who weren’t naturally born. Obama’s sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, was born in Indonesia. No one disputes this. Guess what? She has a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth, too.  How can this be? Hawaiian law didn’t require people to be natural born citizens, born in Hawaii, in order to obtain one. Therefore, Obama hasn’t showed anything resembling proof of his citizenship. This is why this birther thing is still an issue! How can it be solved? All that is required to put all of this to rest is for Obama to give Hawaii permission, in his presidential capacity, to show people the long-form certificate. It’s that simple to resolve. So, why all the secrecy?

Riffy's gonna love this !

Anyone remember this guy ?

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s209/leepullen/ATT00295.jpgt=1249514783

Pdog wrote on Aug 5^th, 2009 at 7:31pm:



I didnt say or imply he was 'lying'. Mistaken - yes.

Some Guy wrote on Aug 5^th, 2009 at 4:04pm:


i love bible porn!!!

"She lusted after their genitals – as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions. This is how you assessed the obscene conduct of your youth, when the Egyptians fondled your nipples and squeezed your young breasts." Ezekiel 23:20-21

The beginning of 2004, I'm sure not many expected to red sox to win the WS...but by October guess who won the WS? The red sox.

It's not how you start, but how you finish.

Out of curiosity, what was Bush's exit poll numbers. 70% failure? 30% success? That was an estimated guess.

Bingo wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 9:36am:



Let's look at just how successful Barry has been thus far-

Stimulus Package to the tune of 787 billion dollars. Most of what has been spent has gone directly to Democrat constituents, and groups likes ACORN.

A Omnibus bill to the tune of 410 billion dollars. Where did that money go? Your guess is as good as anyone's.

A Cap and Trade bill which even the CBO Director (hired by Barack Obama himself) says will cost over 2,000,000 jobs, and cost the nation billions upon billions in lost revenue.

A Health Care Reform Bill that will cost an estimated 37 million Amercians their private insurance coverage, and cost hundreds of thousands in more lost jobs. Not to mention the largest exspansion of federal government in US history.


Yeah he's going to do a great job at turning the shit storm, that he created, around. Wanna make a bet on that?


Notice how the WH has now started calling the health care bill an insurance reform bill? Why are they doing that? Because they are trying to create an enemy! It's the evil profiteers in the insurance industry!!! That tactic is directly from the pages of Saul Alinsky!


Also note how the Dems are calling the Americans that show up at these Townhall meetings "angry mobs"? I guess when members of the Minutemen were shouted down and physically assualted at schools and universities across the country those people doing the shouting were patriots? The head Community Activist in Chief is getting a taste of his own medicine and now all the activists organizing against him are "astroturf" activists!?! Are you not seeing this for what it really is drones?


Notice how Barbara Boxer said that these people were not "normal Americans" because they were "dressed to nicely"?! Just a wee bit condesending don't you think?

Now the WH is asking Obama supporters to foward any e-mails that they receive about health care that look "fishy"? Now asking neighbor to turn in neighbor!! This shit is insane!!


Dems are accusing K Street lobbyists of drumming up people to go to the townhall meetings. They claim that they are not true grass roots supporters. No, they are "astroturf" supporters according to Axlerod! So now that the Dems have been challenged to start naming names of these lobbyists and "astroturf" supporters they have gone silent! Nothing!


We are witnessing the implosion of not just the presidency, but of the Democrat Party because they threw their hat into the ring with the hard left of their party. Now they are about to pay, and pay dearly.


Wake up folks! This guy is an idiot. Obama will cost the Democrat Party dearly, and I have said that exact thing for months now. I said it well before the election. It's starting and they are scared, and they should be, because they are going to loose so many seats in congress it will make 1994 look like a tea party!

Obama, Pelosi, and Reid and you Dems think that you're going to hold congress? Really? I anxiously await the time in the not-so-distant future when I can say once again, I told you so.



Riffy


PS-Oh yeah I almost forgot. Jobs numbers come out today. Word is we are now at 9.6% unemployment! Yippee! "If we don't get this stimulus package passed, and passed right now, we could see an unemployment rate of 8%!" Thanks Barry!!!!

fuman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 11:18am:


Therefore all of us who believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ (the REAL one, not the clown who posts here) and find solace in prayer, are to be mocked, feared and dismissed???? Is that what you are saying fuman? I have avoided this thread for the sake of my blood pressure but the question begs to be asked of you.

LJ.

Starbuck wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 12:04pm:



page one? this thread has got more hits than joeys toilet bowl!!!

fuman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 12:35pm:



Give us a break funman! You have made it more than abundantly clear that you hold Christianity in contempt! You have labeled those that follow Christ's teachings as mindless idiots. You then make the absurd claim that Christians are somehow more, or at least equally, as prone to violence as, oh say, Muslims. You are making up your own little fantasy world of angry rabid right wing redneck Jesus freaks, and trying to sell this land of make believe to everyone here. You're full of it! The only place that this hardcore dangerous brand of Christianity is happening is in your own deluded brain.


Riffy

"I'm trying to say that many interpretations of the teachings of Jesus Christ are damaging to our society. The Bible is full of violence and inhumane social direction. Slaves, stoning, and death to those that don't believe in God. Same with the Koran, and we have all seen how crazy those believers get. And for what? So someone can save their own soul?"

I was taught (in Catholic school no less) to view the Bible as literature; not to be interpreted verbatim. I have studied scripture a bit.
The violence and inhumane social direction is pretty much Old Testament stuff.
The teachings of Jesus in the New Testament are fairly straightforwarded.

Do unto others as you would have done onto yourself.
Love God as you love yourself.

Jesus was a pretty peaceful dude. Very forgiving guy. Fairly mellow.

People do crazy things for all kinds of reasons.
That will never change.

Kindly do not lump all of us into one category for there has been much good done in the name of Jesus.

LJ.

PS. I still maintain what I have maintained from Primary Season. Barack Obama is an inexperienced Fraud.