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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #6597 - Aug 4th, 2009 at 5:26pm
Riffhard wrote on Aug 4 th, 2009 at 4:56pm: Pdog wrote on Aug 4 th, 2009 at 4:30pm: Riffhard wrote on Aug 4 th, 2009 at 4:17pm: monkey_man wrote on Aug 4 th, 2009 at 4:06pm: Riffhard wrote on Aug 4 th, 2009 at 3:42pm: See there is not a damned thing moral or ethical about some bureaucrat deciding how long you can live, and when you should die, but that is exactly what happens in the UK, Canada, Sweden, etc.
Riffy And the bean counting bureaucrats at insurance companies are the ethical moral types?!?!?!? Not at all, and I never made that claim. However, the bean counting bureaucrats at any insurance company can be fired by me, the buyer. Not so with an "all in, nobody out" state run single payer option that Barry wants. Again, I go back to the word that so many liberals have been trained to hate. Profit! Profit means that my particular insurance agency must work to keep me happy. I, and an estimated 85% of Americans, are happy with our plans. To just throw that all away because Barry wants us to hate profit seems foolhardy at best, and downright dronelike at worst. Show me one state run insurance plan in which 85% of the participants are happy, and I might change my mind. Sound fair to you? Riffy That's exactly what people with life threatening illnesses and catastrophic health problems do, they get denied coverage and then drop their insurance altogether... unless you know, they will deny you, before you get sick, then switch and somehow can wait out the 12 to 18 moths that pre-exisiting medical condtion coverage will deny you ass well, unless oyu have alot of money and can pay extremely high premiums... yea, that works. I'll make sure i do this if I get cancer or have kidney shut down or god forbid, have an illness that disbles me, but won't kill me for a long time and requires massive resources... See, now you are talking about something that I have a personal experience with. More specifically, my mother, and step mother had/have a personal experience with. My mother got lung cancer and eventually died from that horrible disease. My step mother has alzheimer's disease right now. In both cases their private insurance covered them perfectly. Now they both had/have great plans. They chose their individual plans, and they paid for them through their jobs. My mother was a drug and alcohol psychologist, my step mother worked 36 years for HUD. If Obama had his way with a single payer "all in, nobody out" type government run top down policy, I can promise you that my mother would have had much worse care than she got. Same goes for my step mother. She is just about to go into an assisted living facility. Her policy covers a very nice facility. A government run plan? No way would she get what she is going to get from her own plan. No way in hell! Both my mother, and step mother had options! What Obama really wants is to rule those options out. He says that we can keep our plans, but he is planning on taxing them, and the employers that provide them. Why? To get those plans dropped! He wants me and my kids totally dependant on a government run plan. I know enough about government efficiency to know that I will never willingly sign up for a government run plan. Never! This is the exact kind of government run catastrophe that Jefferson, and many other Founding Fathers warned us about! When you hand over the power of life and death choices to the government then you have just willingly abdicated your personal liberty. Count me right out of that! Why some think they know better than everyone else and are willing to force this boondoggle on the American people who obviously want no part of it is a bit puzzling to me. Again, I ask, any one liberal please point to a government run nationalized health care plan where 85% of the participants are happy? I'll promise that you won't find one. Riffy I'm glad you having a good exp. you're fabricating this argument that there's not going to be any other option, that legislation doesn't exist. You're best case for it, is a bunch of different edited speeaches, with no context on what the entire discusions were even about, covering a few years time and different people. How does one get the stat you ask for... Ask Gazza and other Europeans if we can poll them here... and even then... who cares? You demand stuff, to cite what you want debated. I just want to see the legislation that exists, that will eliminate private insurance, that's your claim. All you've shown me is a youtube clip, edited and out of any context to what was asked or discussed. And, you have no proof, that if the current legislation passed, these two people you speak of, would have been denied a coverage comprable to what they have or had, or if they would even need it, since there's no reaosn they would've had to change. One could argue, just as easily, under what is proposed the private aspect, could ahve been even better and cheaper... I've been told, that in the UK, private is very good, although, I doubt inexpensive, but no one want anything good for free, that is just wrong!!!
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