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Reply #6425 - Jul 29th, 2009 at 10:37pm
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That's a short-sighted take, but a take I guess.  You didn't even touch on the most important issue.  Do you have a Hippocratic oath down there?  What's it cost for a doctor to abide by it?



well that's a short ambiguous and not very enlightening response but a response i guess. What do you mean "short term"??

as for the HO well contrary to what soem may think we are fairly civilzed down here and our medicos' ethics are more or less based on the same principles as the rest of the western world

as to cost it depends what's wrong with you - e.g. you  catch the flu yuo go to yur local doctor wait around for a half hour or so see the dr. for 10 - 15 mins  and he gives you a script - the consult is often entirely covered by the Gov. plan tho some Drs. will charge a little more $15 to $20.00 which you pay for - likewise when you fill the script that's essentially paid for as well may again a small exces to make up

got renal problems that could kill you and you're broke well the public system is there - now i admit if that was me i'd prefer to be insured (and there are tax breaks for self insuring) - and then get private care - but at least  the system is there so that people aren't dying for lack of money and those that can afford it can have the best quality care if they want it

so please tell me what you consider to be the "long term" view - what is "the most important issue"?? cheers
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Reply #6426 - Jul 29th, 2009 at 10:50pm
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That's a short-sighted take, but a take I guess.  You didn't even touch on the most important issue.  Do you have a Hippocratic oath down there?  What's it cost for a doctor to abide by it?




got renal problems that could kill you and you're broke well the public system is there - now i admit if that was me i'd prefer to be insured
(and there are tax breaks for self insuring)
- and then get private care - but at least  the system is there so that people aren't dying for lack of money and those that can afford it can have the best quality care if they want it

so please tell me what you consider to be the "long term" view



That right there is exactly what Obama is proposing to deny Americans! He wants to tax private plans in order to pay for his socialist plan!!! That is exactly why most common sense Americans are against it! This is how it would incremenally lead to a "single payer plan". Which, of course, offers zero options. Funman, can believe that Obama only wants what's fair, but the truth is that he really wants to kill any and all private plans. His plan would tax not only the insurance companies, but also all employers that offer private plans! Who do think is going to have to pay these taxes? In the case of insurance companies they would just pass those taxes on to the buyers of the plan. In the case of employers they would just drop the private plans to avoid the cost. And then bam! The government has you exactly where it wants you. In a single payer plan that would suck.



Most Americans that aren't drones know that this quote from Thomas Jefferson is brilliant because it speaks to common sense.


"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows us that as a government grows, liberty decreases." — Thomas Jefferson



Common sense is sorely lacking on the drones part. They don't get it, and they likely never will.



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Reply #6427 - Jul 29th, 2009 at 11:30pm
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That's a short-sighted take, but a take I guess.  You didn't even touch on the most important issue.  Do you have a Hippocratic oath down there?  What's it cost for a doctor to abide by it?



well that's a short ambiguous and not very enlightening response but a response i guess. What do you mean "short term"??

as for the HO well contrary to what soem may think we are fairly civilzed down here and our medicos' ethics are more or less based on the same principles as the rest of the western world

as to cost it depends what's wrong with you - e.g. you  catch the flu yuo go to yur local doctor wait around for a half hour or so see the dr. for 10 - 15 mins  and he gives you a script - the consult is often entirely covered by the Gov. plan tho some Drs. will charge a little more $15 to $20.00 which you pay for - likewise when you fill the script that's essentially paid for as well may again a small exces to make up

got renal problems that could kill you and you're broke well the public system is there - now i admit if that was me i'd prefer to be insured (and there are tax breaks for self insuring) - and then get private care - but at least  the system is there so that people aren't dying for lack of money and those that can afford it can have the best quality care if they want it

so please tell me what you consider to be the "long term" view - what is "the most important issue"?? cheers


I'm not sure where you got anything about short term or long term in my response.  I was simply referring to the inherent conflict contained in the Hippocratic oath and the cost vs. benefit analysis of Obamacare proposals.  I wouldn''t want to be the doctor who has to tell a patient or his family that he's not going to take life saving or life prolonging measures because it costs too much relative to the likelihood of success.  Particularly when that family or the individual has the money to pay for it.  But that's exactly how Obama envisions certain scenarios.  And he's Okay with that.  And before you classify that as a "scare tactic", you might want to watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo

Did you catch that?  To put that in lay terms, what he's telling her is "shut up you hag, your mom is older than dirt and needs to just go ahead and die so someone else can get her healthcare benefits and her bus pass. Just have her take a chill pill and die already"  Is that kind of thinking something you endorse?  Or is it just something you endorse when it's not your mother?

This man is the President of the United States!  Not God.  I know God, God is a friend of mine, and Barack Obama is no God.


Set in the year 2022, Soylent Green depicts a dystopian future in which the population has grown to forty million in New York City alone. Most housing is dilapidated and overcrowded, and the impoverished homeless fill the streets and line the fire escapes and stairways of buildings. Food as we know it today–including fruit, vegetables, and meat–is a rare and expensive commodity. Half of the world's population survives on processed rations produced by the massive Soylent Corporation (Portmanteau from soy(bean) + lent(il)), including Soylent Red and Soylent Yellow, which are advertised as "high-energy vegetable concentrates". The newest product is Soylent Green - a small green wafer which is advertised as being produced from "high-energy plankton". It is much more nutritious and palatable than the red and yellow varieties, but it is—like most other food—in short supply, which often leads to riots.
Processed "Soylent Green" ration wafers

Robert Thorn (Charlton Heston) is a New York City police detective who lives in a dilapidated, cramped one-room apartment with his aged partner Sol Roth (Edward G. Robinson). Roth is a former professor who searches through the now-disordered remnants of written records and books to help Thorn's investigations. Roth and his like are known as "books". He tells Thorn about the times before the ecological disaster and population crisis, when real food was plentiful, although Thorn is generally not interested in the "stories".

Thorn is assigned to investigate the murder of William R. Simonson (Joseph Cotten). When he goes to the crime scene, he finds Simonson lying in a pool of blood from being struck multiple times in the back of the head. Instead of looking for clues, the poorly-paid detective helps himself to some of the wealthy man's food, liquor, soap, and books. He also questions Shirl (Leigh Taylor-Young), an attractive 24-year old prostitute (euphemistically known as "furniture") who comes with the luxury apartment, and Simonson's bodyguard, Tab Fielding (Chuck Connors), who claims that he was told to escort Shirl on a shopping trip when the attack took place.

Returning to his apartment, he gives Roth two large books he took from Simonson's apartment, the two-volume Soylent Oceanographic Survey Report, 2015 to 2019. Thorn returns to work and talks to the Chief of Detectives, telling him that he suspects it may have been an assassination, since nothing was stolen from the apartment and the murder seemed professional. He finds it odd that the luxury apartment's sophisticated alarm and monitoring electronics happened to be inoperative on the night of the murder, and his bodyguard just happened to be out of the apartment at the time.

After Thorn questions Fielding's live-in "furniture", he realizes she was eating from a "$150 a jar" of strawberry jam, which is an out-of-place luxury for the prostitute of a bodyguard. He returns to his own apartment to eat a meal of the purloined food, where Roth tells him that Simonson was a member of the board of directors of the Soylent Corporation, one of the most powerful corporations in the world. Thorn then returns to question Shirl, who tells him that Simonson had become deeply troubled in the days before his death, even taking her to church. Thorn later attempts to question the priest about Simonson's confession, but the priest is almost catatonic with exhaustion and does not reveal anything. Fielding later murders the priest to ensure he never talks. After Thorn begins to uncover evidence on why Simonson was murdered, New York Governor Santini (Whit Bissell) instructs Thorn's superior officer, Lieutenant Hatcher (Brock Peters), to close the investigation. However, Thorn refuses, and continues his investigation into the murder. Later, when Thorn is on riot duty during the distribution of rations, Simonson's murderer fires several shots at Thorn, wounding him, but Thorn is able to push his attacker under a riot control vehicle, a "scoop".

In the meantime, Roth examines oceanographic reports (that Thorn took from Simonson's apartment) with other intellectuals at the "supreme exchange," a library of old books. The other books convince Roth of a "horrible" truth, which despite reading it for himself he finds almost impossible to believe. The "books" intend to use the overwhelming evidence against the Soylent Corporation and to prove what Soylent is doing before taking it to the Council of Nations. Unable to live with what he has uncovered, Roth opts for assisted suicide or active, voluntary euthanasia (euphemistically known as "going home") at a government clinic. There, he is taken to a comfortable bed, is given a poison-laced beverage, and is shown panoramic views of an unspoiled pristine Earth as he dies. As Roth is viewing this, Thorn (who has since read a note from Roth that he is "going home") forces the staff to allow him to see and talk to Roth. He thus sees the earth as it once was for the first time. Overwhelmed at seeing what is for him such wondrous natural beauty, he is moved to tears. During Roth's final moments, he begs Thorn to prove the horrible truth about "Simonson... Soylent."

After Roth dies, Thorn sneaks into the basement of the government-assisted suicide facility, where he sees corpses being loaded onto waste disposal trucks. He secretly hitches a ride on one of the trucks, which is driven to a heavily guarded waste disposal plant. Once inside the plant, Thorn sees how the corpses are processed into Soylent Green wafers. After Thorn escapes from the plant and heads for the supreme exchange with the information, he is ambushed by Fielding and several other gunmen. In the shootout, Thorn kills some of the gunmen, but is himself wounded. He retreats into a cathedral filled with homeless people. After a desperate fight, Thorn stabs and kills Fielding.

When police backup arrives, the seriously wounded and nearly hysterical Thorn confides to Hatcher the horrible secret behind Soylent Green and urges him to spread the word: "Soylent Green is people! We've got to stop them somehow!"
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 And he's Okay with that.  And before you classify that as a "scare tactic", you might want to watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebigfeedblog....




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What an incredible coincidence!

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'm not sure where you got anything about short term or long term in my response.


well you said "That's a short-sighted take, but a take I guess" - so to me "short sighted" / "short term view" are relatively synonymous or maybe i misunderstood your context


well i watched this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebigfeedb log.com%2F2009%2F07%2Fdr-obama-ill-be-judge-of-who-lives-and.html&feature=player
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all i saw was someone struggling to articulate a question that seemed to be centred around the fact that two different doctors might have two different opinions  (quell surprise!!) about whether or not a particular patient should have a pacemaker or not

Obama, in usual policitian style, essentially avoided the (somewhat unclear) question and used the opportunity to repeat his policy position - frustrating i know, but that seems to be politics the world over these days - so i guess i wouldn't necessarily agree with your "lay terms" translation
and so your "Is that kind of thinking something you endorse?  Or is it just something you endorse when it's not your mother?" line of attack/questioning is disingenuous and deflective at best  

don't misunderstand me man I 'm not pushing any barrows for anybody or anything i'm just interested and as i've found in the past the grass roots view of things I get here is as informative (if not more so ) as reading news papers and internet media forums    




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President Obama is due to get together tomorrow night with Henry Louis Gates and Sgt. James Crowley for their much-anticipated beers and reconciliation meeting at the White House. And so one, naturally, is curious to know: What brand of beer is it that goes down best with diplomacy?

According to White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, who was, of course, asked about what they'd be drinking while traveling on Air Force One Wednesday, the drink orders are basically in place:

The President will drink Bud Light. As I understand it -- I have not heard this, I've read this, so I'll just repeat what I've read, that Professor Gates said he liked Red Stripe, and I believe Sergeant Crowley mentioned to the President that he liked Blue Moon. So we'll have the gamut covered tomorrow afternoon. I think we're still thinking, weather permitting, the picnic table out back.
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Riffhard wrote on Jul 29th, 2009 at 9:54pm:
stonedinaustralia wrote on Jul 29th, 2009 at 9:26pm:
well here's where I feel compelled to jump in

i have been watching this debate your nation is having regarding health care with some interest

i know i don't live in the US and the US is not Australia but, as I am sure  other ROers from the Europe will attest,
you can have private and government health insurance co-exist such that you do not have,what is to me, the incomprehensible situation where access to fundamental/essential health care is not avaiable/affordable to all and a serious health problem has the potential corollary of becoming a serious financial one - if the rest  of the western world can do it you do have to wonder why the US can't (or won't)

from what I have come to understand i can't help but think there is a lot of scare tactics and misinformation being bandied about - again i admit I am a long way from the action -  and it is the insurance companies who can see a hit to their profit margins coming

clearly tho private health insurers have a bottom line interest and in regards to health care this is not always the best thing,  if it ever is - i know this raises philosophical and idealogical issues about govt./indiviual rights and responsibilities but I am putting those to the side and am looking at this issue in terms of can it be done not should it be done - although the tenants of Hippocratic Oath and the idea that health services are a saleable commodity are, to me at least, somewhat at odds

the other thing that I understand about the US system that strikes me as unusual is that health coverage is often a component of employment benefits...  speaking as a small business proprietor  I can't see how this is anything but an impost (and therefore a retardant) on business, especially small business which then, of course, has ramifications when it comes to employment issues  

finally, nanker i see your point re bureaucrats but as fuman points out private enterprise have their own as well and while private insurers may have (or have more incentive to have) more efficient bureaucracies I have had enough experience in insurance law to know that  the hassle, time and cost that can be incurred in trying to get insurers to honour claims can be just as bad (if not worse) than navigating your way through the, not driven for profit, public system

and there will always be a place for private insurance, if people can afford it, in order to obtain private care, which, granted, is often - but not always - superior in quality to public (in my experience here at least) or for elective or non-essential expenses - here in Aus. for example you either insure for dental care or you pay for it tho some argue that basic dental care shoud also be covered

then of course there is also the issue of tort reform as well as a few other issues that have come to mind as i have written this but this will do for now...

please take this post at face value - my position and interest is solely to do with the health care issue - as far as the merits or otherwise of the Obama adminstration are concerned I remain an interested observer



SIA I appreciate your thoughts on this subject, but there are a few points that you may have either missed, or are unaware of. Firstly as recently as 2004 Obama claimed that he wanted a "single payer option". That is what we would have to call an oxymoron. Because a single payer plan would rule out all options except a government run plan. That would destroy all private insurance policies. As recently as this Monday Barney Frank (D-Ma.) said this---->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3BS4C9el98&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Esinglepayerac...


Now we all know what single payer is, right? It is a one plan fits all, and it would be handled entirely by some government hacks inside DC whose main objective is to "save" money. So while some like funman love to slam profit, they are clueless as to whjat the alternative is. When the government negates profit as an incentive then they will destroy not only the insurance business, but the helath care that the USA has enjoyed for years. Many are not aware of the fact that the UK has the worst health care coverage of any Western country! It's true, but many in the UK have lived with it for their entire lives, and they know of no other option. There's that word again, option. In the UK they have no options! That is what Obama and many liberal big government types want here. We don't want it! It leads to rationing, and long lines, and the government standing between you and your doctor.


Here's today's headline from the Herald UK today-->"One third of patients encounter problems with NHS"

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2522438.0.One_third_of_patients...


Why would we want to adopt a type of governemnt run plan that is an absolute disaster in every single country that it has been tried?

The USA leads the world in heart disease survival, cancer survival, and in most other crhonic disease survival. If big daddy governemnt decides who gets treated that all goes out the window.


Now let's take a look at how well the governemnt handles the health care packages that it already operates.


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And now we're supposed to just assume that Obama, who has never run anything in his life, is going to get a nationalized health care plan, and then make it a cost saving plan that we can all believe in? Huh, no.



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not true, what you're saying is the US would run like NHS, false. It would run like the US army and VA med services, and still allow a person, like a soldier can, to have their own insurance. All i'm hearing is that we would go to some type of healthcare that is crap b/c it is run by the govt., when the truth is, the govt. already has been doing this. There's problems, that's a given. But what this does do, is begin to eliminate this stranglehold that insurance companies have had on sick people. In your own words you say that the new plan would only be to try to save mnoey and cut costs. That's what has been going on with with privte and self insured system. Pre-exisiting conditions cited and benefit denial. Literally people dying b/c of this denial, children dying!!! Where's your pro-life stance now? Really?
The new system, however flawed, has one thing going for it, that I can't deny. It is being done to make our country safer, stronger and healthier... gving all americans a chance to get equal medical care. This is no different to me than say, waging a war to protect us. That's done to protect, sure alot of waste ect... but the only difference I see between that and your argument is we can remove one pre-existing condition that seems to constantly pop up in your argument. Poor and minorities. That's who wins in this, and in all your arguments, all the right wing platforms, poor, minorities, gays and women are the focus and underlying threat to your beleifs. It's so consistent, that I really beleive you can't see it, you can't see the forrest from the trees.
The fact is, at the rate things are changing in the USA, whites and English speaking people will no longer be the majority. Minorities groups will outnumber. That's a fact, and it seems to scare the living crap out of alot of people.
It doesn't take me long, afterl istening to right wing pundits talk to clearly hear the fear of losing something. What is it you're losing. I just laugh at this fear, it's the same fear you see in all national socialistic movents, all with the core of race and religious superiority. your way is dying, and you can't stop it. you can put ideas in prison. It's bigger than you. It's really funny watching you go from this person who said they once stood for progressive ideals, to literally be a guy I picture standing at the shore trying to stop the waves and screaming and freaking out b/c you can't. It's bigger than you. The more you don't accept what is real, the more angry you seem to be getting. You do seem angrier. what a waste of your life to so angry and full of hate.
I leave you with this, like strummer said, go plant a tree, do something good for the world, and do it without telling anyone, do it b/c it is right and helpful... or go to the beach and punch some waves til you can't stand up anymore... see which one makes you feel better. The world needs wave punchers too. We'l let the commies plant the trees.
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   Many are not aware of the fact that the UK has the worst health care coverage of any Western country! It's true, but many in the UK have lived with it for their entire lives, and they know of no other option. There's that word again, option. In the UK they have no options!


No options other than the NHS?

Absolutely not true.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebigfeedblog....




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What an incredible coincidence!

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I saw that and decided to spare myself the shameful racist propaganda . . .

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Obama is still sucking hard. His approval ratings are sinking faster than any president since pre-WWII.


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Obama is still sucking hard. His approval ratings are sinking faster than any president since pre-WWII.


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Rasmussen's polls were pretty far off during the 2008 campaign.
Rasmussen managed to move the favorables up in the last weeks, so as to make his work seem credible (because Obama won, and his numbers would not have reflected that). He states this himself, that he wants to appear credible.

Now considering the constant lies about health care, it's not surprising to see Obama's numbers go down a bit. Fear works.

We all know that 27% of America doesn't want a black President. But I see reelection for Obama a pretty easy victory, considering the pathetic Repub alternatives. Most of them will tell you that they don't believe in evolution. We've seen what happens when that mentality gets in office.

So sleep well RiffRaff, it's your time now (sort of) but its gonna be my time after awhile . . .
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Obama is still sucking hard. His approval ratings are sinking faster than any president since pre-WWII.


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Rasmussen's polls were pretty far off during the 2008 campaign.
Rasmussen managed to move the favorables up in the last weeks, so as to make his work seem credible (because Obama won, and his numbers would not have reflected that). He states this himself, that he wants to appear credible.

Now considering the constant lies about health care, it's not surprising to see Obama's numbers go down a bit. Fear works.

We all know that 27% of America doesn't want a black President. But I see reelection for Obama a pretty easy victory, considering the pathetic Repub alternatives. Most of them will tell you that they don't believe in evolution. We've seen what happens when that mentality gets in office.

So sleep well RiffRaff, it's your time now (sort of) but its gonna be my time after awhile . . .



Gee thanks funman! And, hey with government run health care perhaps you can get that tooth looked at?! Great!



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Boy does it suck to be a Republican! They almost deserve our pity now.....

GOP Earns Worst-Ever Rating in Fox Poll
by Jonathan Singer, Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 07:35:20 AM EST

I'm shocked -- shocked -- that this finding doesn't make it into the Fox News write up of its own polling, but the latest survey commissioned by the conservative news outlet finds that the Republican Party is at an all-time low in terms of popularity.

Per the poll (.pdf), the GOP's favorability rating has slid noticeably from the spring, from 41 percent in early April to just 36 percent today. At the same time, the party's unfavorable rating increased from 50 percent to 53 percent. Both of the current numbers represent new lows for the Republican Party in Fox News polling.

At the same time, the Fox News survey finds that Americans view the Democratic Party significantly better, with 50 percent viewing it favorably and just 41 percent viewing it unfavorably. Barack Obama's favorable ratings are even better -- still close to a 2-to-1 positive-to-negative ratio -- with 62 percent viewing him favorably and 33 percent viewing him unfavorably.

So just who's lagging right now?
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Gazza wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 9:24am:
Riffhard wrote on Jul 29th, 2009 at 9:54pm:
  Many are not aware of the fact that the UK has the worst health care coverage of any Western country! It's true, but many in the UK have lived with it for their entire lives, and they know of no other option. There's that word again, option. In the UK they have no options!


No options other than the NHS?

Absolutely not true.



If you would indulge us here, I for one would like to read your opinion of your healthcare experience in the UK.

The spin masters in the US have us going nuts. Hard to find truth. Most of us tend to believe whatever scares them the deepest.
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Riffhard wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 1:18pm:
fuman wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 12:54pm:
Riffhard wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:52am:
This just in.....

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Obama is still sucking hard. His approval ratings are sinking faster than any president since pre-WWII.


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Rasmussen's polls were pretty far off during the 2008 campaign.
Rasmussen managed to move the favorables up in the last weeks, so as to make his work seem credible (because Obama won, and his numbers would not have reflected that). He states this himself, that he wants to appear credible.

Now considering the constant lies about health care, it's not surprising to see Obama's numbers go down a bit. Fear works.

We all know that 27% of America doesn't want a black President. But I see reelection for Obama a pretty easy victory, considering the pathetic Repub alternatives. Most of them will tell you that they don't believe in evolution. We've seen what happens when that mentality gets in office.

So sleep well RiffRaff, it's your time now (sort of) but its gonna be my time after awhile . . .



Gee thanks funman! And, hey with government run health care perhaps you can get that tooth looked at?! Great!



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I actually have high regard for doctors. I have always got the straight talk from them, even when they told me that for them to do something the best way, it would cost me out of pocket because my HMO wouldn't reimburse the total.

It's the cost cutting HMO that seems to be the problem from my experience. Would a public option do the same? Maybe.

I am open to arguments that I have got it wrong, but I honestly haven't heard anything to sway me yet.
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Reply #6442 - Jul 30th, 2009 at 3:05pm
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Gazza wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 9:24am:
Riffhard wrote on Jul 29th, 2009 at 9:54pm:
  Many are not aware of the fact that the UK has the worst health care coverage of any Western country! It's true, but many in the UK have lived with it for their entire lives, and they know of no other option. There's that word again, option. In the UK they have no options!


No options other than the NHS?

Absolutely not true.


I know a guy in europe who said that Riffy just told a lie... if you read what is quoted, you can see I am telling the truth here... and that is a fact...
love Pdog

now my impression of Riffy have a fit on RO...

and if you can't see that, you're an idiot, retard drone geek... if you can't see the facts, then you shouldn't even be allowed to breat air... you're fucking everything up, can't you see that, stupid... OMG, my heads hurts, my heart is pounding... I'm going to yell more and tell you how fucked you are, maybe that will stop this anger... God damn it, you follow and don't even ask questions, you're completely fucked... Here read this... this link will prove your a sheep drone doo doo headed fucktard.
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Fucktard

did you read the link, can you read...are you kidding me... can't you see for yourselfs what I am telling you to see? Owww, my lung just collapsed... What is wrong with you people, I give you all the evidence I type in
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and you refuse to see the truth. Facts god damn it... My chest hearts and my ears are ringing... Hello, it was just the phone and I didn't realize I was so intently typing I ran into my computer... See now!!! Fucking Obamageeks, you're a bunch of limpwristed retarded commies... Shut up, ouch, listen to me...god damn Idiots!!! Fuck, Fuck FUCK!!!
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thank you thank you... i'll be here til I die!!! tip your stripper... goodnite!
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Oh my god!! you didn't read the link... what are you non-drone now.. .do as your told, by me... but not by anyone else... stupid!
here... god damn it!!
Read this!!! Now!

Read it, b/c I said so, and you are stupid!

Ouch!!!

I just yelled at a stop sign... You know stop signs are liberal, telling you what to do, and when to do it.

oh, here's the post you idiot:

A fucktard is a special variety of retard whose condition arises not from clinically demonstrable neurological impairment, but from buttersnap shitfuckery of the mind.
Dwayne Holloway - A Fucktard


Invariably, first person detection of third person fucktardation is immediately followed by denial, often verbally expressed, especially in the form, "No one's THAT fucking stupid." This differs from the hypothetical scenario of first person fucktardation detection in that it actually occurs. Fucktards do not simply defy common sense, they are pathologically incapable of recognizing the obvious, so even mirrors fail them. Or, more correctly, they fail mirrors. Moar Basicly for the Fucktart in U: their so dum god h8s them even moar then swedan or fagz Fucktards exist in every aspect and class of society. From the upper upper class, to the middle class, all the way down to lower class and beyond, fucktards exist everywhere. There is no exception. They are among us at all levels of society. At work, in school, both in public and private sectors, governments, secret societies, and more. There is at least one amongst most groups. There is no filtering system to "weed out" fucktarded people. In fact, some even work together in packs within which all members are fucktards, even nationwide and global networks, to coordinate their efforts of sheer utter fucktardery, only to reveal themselves as one big collective fucktard whole once again.
How To Spot A Fucktard

Step 1: Gather the strength and will to stop masturbating to loli for a second and get out of the basement
Step 2: Proceed to move those protrusions from the bottom of your torso normals call "legs" in a left then right fashion towards the lavatory.
Step 3: Discontinue moving "legs" once you have reached the mirror and are within distance to identify object reflected on it.
Step 4: A fucktard will be looking back at you
Step 5: Create an Encyclopedia Dramatica account.
Step 6: ????
Step 7: PROFIT
Differences

There is a great difference between an idiot and a fucktard. For example, an idiot might accidentally burn your stove with a grease fire. A fucktard will burn not only your stove, but your cat, your best corset, and possibly even your face. Should you suffer the sympathetic misfortune of being at work when this happens, there is a high probability that he will burn that, too. Essentially, a fucktard will burn your life, and he will do so entirely by misadventure. He's that good.
Fucktardation is at least one-hundred times more likely than faggotry to produce lose. Classic examples of fucktarded behaviors include but are not limited to: self injury, eating one's own boogers, identifying groups like PETA,the Democratic Party, or the Republican party, pooping in public, committing failed suicide, shaving designs into one's hair (excluding pubic), or bragging about anything just mentioned despite the fact that they haven't.
Often, fucktards mistake premises for conclusions, and vice versa, resulting in spectacular demonstrations of ultrafail, a condition whereby feats of epic failure are made possible. Assuming you speak Queef, a rare gaze into the mind of the fucktard is possible, but as this yields babblefuck shit-carnival, many prefer instead to upgrade the fucktard. An excellent method toward that end is to "prove" some outlandishly false proposition to the fucktard. This can be almost anything, but the more batshit crazy, the more fucktard-enriching.
One of the most fucktarded things about fucktards is that no matter what you tell them, they will never know, or believe, that they are fucktarded, because fucktards are also renowned not to know what fucktardation even is. This is conventionally attributed to genetic deprecation of An Heroism, unless the fucktard is also a fag, in which case he is a weapon of god against mundanes, and only by that grace permitted to live.
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Being a fucktard isn't easy.
Fucktards do not have friends. Not even other fucktards. This is blatantly evident to most everyone else, but as fucktardation prevents fucktards from ever interpreting social cues non-fucktardedly, no amount of explicitly voiced contempt will ever register in a fucktard's mind as genuine disapproval. Rather, all seemingly disparaging commentary will be interpreted as veiled accolade, or, at worst, sarcastically rendered jolliness. The extent to which the latter interpretation describes reality, however marred by the fucktard's congenital inability to distinguish "with" from "at," will only confirm to the fucktard that his awesomeness remains unchallenged.
Without exception, fucktards require immersion in fucktarded subcultures in order to demonstrate group-derived personal originality (like these fucktards), often so fucktardedly as to chicken-and-egg paradox their own fucktardation. Wands, swords, or dragons are frequently involved, potentially in pot luck slurry with entirely unrelated camps of fucktardation, such as Limited An Heroism. Even though these groups helpfully enable high-accuracy associative diagnosis of fucktardation, it is important to note that some members may actually just be retards, hotards, or vegans. It is not uncommon to witness fucktards wearing t-shirts that are printed with humorous designs that they do not understand the meaning of, or bands that they have never even listened to. Elderly fucktards that have managed to live a long life by pure irony and luck are likely to wear tubesocks on their hands and sport "I like Ike" campaign buttons on election day or Christmas.
Someone who has never met a fucktard will believe the above to be an exaggeration, but someone who has supposedly never met a fucktard is very likely a fucktard, so disbelief may also be considered diagnostic indication of shut up. For an article on fucktards written in a futile attempt by actual fucktards, visit this link: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Fucktard
Advice from a Facebook Fucktard



Example of fucktarded behavior, you've been a fucktarded failure as a dad.
A fucktard tries to be deep in thought producing this:
So I am sitting here in my bed, thinking about nothing. I wish for so many things. To let go when I should, to make things between you and I better, to forgive certain people, to make sure that no harm ever comes to you. Though you tell me that you will never forgive I hope that this person knows i speak with kindness, i speak with my heart. I am a fragile person and yet someone who must act strong. I am here alone and yet surrounded. I just wish that everyone could stop moving for a second. Put down their cell phones, and turn off their Ipods and listen to what's around them. Stop hurting the people around them, and let their hearts speak with truth. When we all grow up it won't matter what we said now and it wont matter what shirt we wore or how that person thought about you. All that will matter is the pain we give another person and the happiness that we give to another. I'm just really tired of this hurting, I know we can never live in a perfect world but the best we can do is hold our heads up high and hope for the best and treat everyone with respect. What does any of this hatred matter?
I feel like ranting all night about the imperfect world we live in, the little details in life that I can no longer stand but am forced to ignore. I guess I am just really really tired of this high school mambo jumbo bullshit. There is no changing anyone.
No one wants to forget their past. No matter how difficult it was, but the least we can do is forgive.
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      This article needs liposuction!

This poor old lady is not in her better shape, but we wish we could trust
your swift hands to bring her back to her former glory.
We mean rewrite it!


     Whoops! Maybe you were looking for You?
“I try to have some sympathy for the poor bastards, but Jesus it's fucking impossible.”
~ Oscar Wilde on Fucktards
“I agree”
~ Jesus on Fucktards
“Am I one of them? ”
~ Captain Oblivious on Fucktards
“If you have to ask...”
~ Oscar Wilde on Fucktards
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1 Definition of a Fucktard
2 Classification
3 A Typical Fucktard:
4 What to do when you meet a Fucktard?
5 See also
[edit]Definition of a Fucktard

The word fucktard originated on the livejournal of a 10 year old hooker named Sophieyy Juicebush. Sophieyy, who usually receeved blunt derogatory comments about the size of her mangina, one day received a rather insulting reference to how she had sex with her 24 cousins, at the same time. She then responded to this lucid pedophile by saying "Youuu fucktard....fuck off..'. Sophieyy claims the word was created by combining the words "fuck" and "retard". Instead of wasting valuable split seconds calling some one a "fucking retard", one can simply call that person a "fucktard". Quite ingenious, really. Others feel it a portmanteau of fuckhead and retard.


lolwut???????//
A recent study funded by the National Endowment of the Arts came to a different conclusion. Fucktard is actually based on the Middle French fuctarde, a portmanteau of Old French words derived from the Old German fokken, "to strike", and Latin tardare, "to delay". The term dates back to the tolling of the bells in Paris for the Holy Mass at each of the city's seventy-eight ornate cathedrals. The fuctarde was the bell-ringer who started frantically pulling the rope when he woke up from a drunken stupor every Sunday afternoon.
The only problem with this otherwise impeccably well-founded study is that it's all bullshit: you can't accept $65,000 in public grant money and go back and tell them that it was Sophieyy Juicebush after all!
Fucktards exist in every aspect and class of society. From the upper upper class, to the middle class, all the way down to lower class and beyond, fucktards exist everywhere. There is no exception. They are among us at all levels of society. At work, in school, both in public and private sectors, governments, secret societies, and more. There is at least one amongst most groups. There is no filtering system to "weed out" fucktarded people. In fact, some even work together in packs within which all members are fucktards, even nationwide and global networks, to coordinate their efforts of sheer utter fucktardery, only to reveal themselves as one big collective fucktard whole once again.
[edit]Classification

The so-called word "fucktard" falls in the category of prejudism, discrimination and bigotry.The term has been adapted by man whores to now refer to someone who is unbelievably bad at anal sex.
[edit] A Typical Fucktard:

May meet one or several of the descriptions listed below:
Masturbates to Martha Stewart Living
Is famous only for being famous, or for being arrested for DUI 3+ times
Confuses illegal narcotics such as Cocaine and Methamphetamines with over the counter drugs such as Tylenol and Flintstones vitamins, and then attempts to sell them at local elementary schools
is over the age of 27 and still lives with their senile grandparents
Anyone with three last names
Anyone who thinks the words Noob, Noobtard, Noobie are funny and insulting in any way.
[edit]What to do when you meet a Fucktard?

Smile, don't make eye contact, avoid conversation, and quickly walk away.
Or, immerse yourself in their habitat and learn the way of the fucktards. Then (if you aren't bitten and turned into one, or eaten alive by them..) come back to the real world, publish a novel on it, use your earnings to: a) help the fucktards of the world become more human; b) retire to a mansion in Northern California with that dog you've always wanted to get, but your parents would never let you have because they were "allergic" ...
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Fantastic Impression!!!!

But you can get away with that.  You've got that eggshell thing working for you.
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Gazza wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 9:24am:
Riffhard wrote on Jul 29th, 2009 at 9:54pm:
  Many are not aware of the fact that the UK has the worst health care coverage of any Western country! It's true, but many in the UK have lived with it for their entire lives, and they know of no other option. There's that word again, option. In the UK they have no options!


No options other than the NHS?

Absolutely not true.



If you would indulge us here, I for one would like to read your opinion of your healthcare experience in the UK.

The spin masters in the US have us going nuts. Hard to find truth. Most of us tend to believe whatever scares them the deepest.


In MY own experience - I've had no problems. Luckily. Other people in less robust health havent been so fortunate, but I've known that to be the case with people in other countries too. It's seriously under-manned and under-funded as has been the case regardless of what government is in power so waiting lists for a lot of treatment is often long.  The private sector appears to be coping fine, however.

I've never heard of anyone being financially crippled by having to undergo medical treatment though. The costs I've often heard quoted for even the most basic treatment by several American friends of mine is absolutely jawdropping. The very best private health care here costs only a fraction of what it seems to cost in the US.
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