Riffhard wrote on Jul 20^th, 2009 at 5:46pm:



All Presidents spend, that's the point. W spent it on the wrong things (except for AIDS funding in Africa). Period.

So there you have the fact's. I can't wait to hear the BushLeaguer's try to talk there way out of this one.


PS The shit sandwiches are for you, your favorite, with nuts.

makes that $800 billion in Iraq seem small...
what's the dif. between Obama spending and bush spending... Obama is spending more, but doing the same exact thing!!! Spending money we don't have, on things we can't afford, in ways that are completely retarded, you can't defend either one or support one over the other, without being completely false in this regard....

Bingo wrote on Jul 20^th, 2009 at 8:01pm:


no shit... thank god Only Obama bailed out all these banks ect... so we can't say he's like Bush there...

"U.S. President George W. Bush, saying "our entire economy is in danger," urged Congress to approve his administration's $700 billion bailout proposal.

"We're in the midst of a serious financial crisis, and the federal government is responding with decisive actions," Bush said in a televised address Wednesday night from the White House.

Bush pointed out that the collapse of several major lenders was rooted in the subprime mortgage market that thrived over the past decade.

He said passage of the $700 billion bailout proposal was needed to restore confidence in the market.

"I'm a strong believer in free enterprise, so my natural instinct is to oppose government intervention," he said. But "these are not normal circumstances. The market is not functioning properly. There has been a widespread loss of confidence.

"Without immediate action by Congress, America can slip into a major panic."

Bingo wrote on Jul 20^th, 2009 at 8:01pm:




Good one !!

I hope you all are taking your blood pressure medicine. NONE OF THIS MATTERS!!!

What is the legacy that you are leaving besides griping and complaining. FUCKING DO YOUR LOT that you can do and quit bitching and complaining.  bitching and complaining accomplishes WHAT?

StPeteStone wrote on Jul 20^th, 2009 at 2:21pm:



What up?   Fight?  There was no fight.  That little bitch is still alive, there is the proof that there was no fight, ffs. 

I'll be back shortly after the Steelers win their seventh Super Bowl, to talk about tennis, and make 100 useless posts a day.

robpop wrote on Jul 21^st, 2009 at 3:25am:

we need football season!

As the watchdog of the government's massive bailout of the financial sector, Neil M. Barofsky had a simple question: What had the nation's banks done with all their bailout money?


Can't be answered, said the Treasury Department, because of the way banks move money internally. The department declined to put the question to the banks.


And so Barofsky started asking financial institutions himself.


The banking survey, and the refusal of Treasury officials to conduct it themselves, were revealed as Barofsky issued a stinging report Monday that complained of a lack of transparency in the Obama administration's management of the giant financial services bailout program.

Here's a long one - fair warning for libs that have neither the time nor the inclination to read...

Obama Just Might Be a Socialist

Monday, July 20, 2009 4:43 PM

By: Wayne Allyn Root 

Have you read the headlines this past week? Obama has proposed trillions of dollars in new taxes, and trillions of dollars of irresponsible, unsustainable new spending.


He’s offered no way to pay for it all, except to wipe out small businessmen and women, and wipe out the upper middle class, and enslave our children and grandchildren with a mountain of debt and heavy taxes for a lifetime. It is, plainly and simply, the very definition of socialism.


Let's say it out loud — Obama is a socialist.


There isn't any need to debate anymore. No point in even arguing. If liberals and the biased liberal media won't face facts, then I'm going to put the facts right in their faces. Up close and personal. Jeff Foxworthy-style.


Jeff Foxworthy literally defined rednecks . . . he didn't leave any doubt.

Well I'm going to now define a socialist.



Obama, the Socialist


If you want government to take over business, banks, carmakers, Wall Street, and highjack the entire economy, YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.


If you think it's just fine and dandy for government to decide CEO salaries, to hire and fire CEOs, and pick the board of directors of private companies, YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.


If you think 32 czars appointed by Obama can run the American economy by committee, even though few if any have ever run a business, and if you think it's OK to appoint a car czar who admits publicly he knows NOTHING about cars, YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.


If you want to give as much as $100 billion dollars of taxpayer money to GM and Chrysler just so they can go bankrupt anyway but then hand the company to the unions that bankrupted them in first place, YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.



If you think it's OK for government to tell GM and Chrysler what kind of cars to build . . . what size . . . what gas mileage . . . even if those "green cars" can never make a profit . . . even if the taxpayers will lose $100 billion dollars, YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.



If you think it's perfectly acceptable to break the “rule of law” and shaft shareholders, bondholders, bankers, hedge funds, and secured creditors who took tremendous risks and loaned billions of dollars to Chrysler and are therefore first in line in any bankruptcy proceeding, and own 100 percent of Chrysler by legal contract so that you can hand a majority ownership to your friends in the auto unions who are last in line and completely unsecured by law but who gave you millions of dollars in campaign contributions, YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.


If you want to pass cap and trade and convert America to a “green economy” to create millions of jobs even though Spain is the greenest economy in all of Europe and they have 18 percent unemployment, the highest in all of socialist Europe, YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.

If you support cap and trade, a giant expansion of government power and control over industry, that is the biggest tax increase in history, that will double or triple every American's electric bills and make gasoline go up to $5 or $6 per gallon and increase the cost of every product made with electricity, or driven to stores with gasoline and put entire industries out of business and cost millions of American jobs because China and India won't participate, all during a depression, YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.

If you support universal healthcare, even though a huge majority of Americans are happy with their present plan and government is the one that has screwed up healthcare in the first place with over-regulation even though government has run the U.S. postal service into bankruptcy and run Amtrak into bankruptcy and the public school system is a shambles and loses tens of billions per year and Medicare and Medicaid threaten to bankrupt the entire economy with their gigantic losses and government has run up a $5.3 trillion dollar unfunded liability just for pensions and free healthcare for government employees and you think government is the answer to cutting the costs of healthcare, YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.

If you propose paying for universal healthcare with taxes on the health benefits of every employee in America except union employees, YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.

If you want to lower the cost of healthcare, but you won't support tort reform even though lawyers and legal abuse and waste and fraud combine to cost the healthcare system almost one trillion dollars a year, and you're a lawyer yourself, YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.



If you propose paying for universal healthcare by punishing "the rich" with a 5 percent surcharge on their incomes even though that same group you are punishing (small business owners) already pays virtually all the taxes and creates 75 percent of the jobs in America, YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.



If you support a VAT tax just like socialist Europe, one that puts a deadly tax on every product in America at every level of production and purchase on top of all our other state, federal, and local taxes, YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.

If you support card check, which takes away the right of Americans to vote in private and allows unions to intimidate employees while they are forced to vote publicly to unionize, YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.

If you are in favor of bailouts of certain companies and certain industries who just happen to give you large campaign contributions, all with taxpayer money, and you don't even ask the permission of the taxpayers, and you don't or won't disclose who got the money or how much, and you don't even say please or thank you, even though it's our money paying for it all, and you never even bothered to read the 1,000-plus page bailout bill (delivered to you only hours before you voted yes), YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.

If you believe it's greedy for American taxpayers to want to keep more of their own money, but it's not greedy to demand that government confiscate other people's money and redistribute to you even though you didn't earn it, YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.

If you call it a “tax cut” when you give a welfare check to people that never paid taxes in the first place…YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.

If you propose the biggest income tax increase in history on "the rich" and take away deductions from "the rich" including mortgage deductions that threaten to wipe out the entire housing market and also raise the capital gains taxes of "the rich" and also take the cap off FICA taxes on "the rich" and also bring back the death tax on "the rich” and also universal healthcare surcharges on "the rich," all while taxpayers are being hit with higher state income taxes, higher state sales taxes, and higher property taxes all in the middle of a depression, and you think that's “small and reasonable and fair,” YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.

If you like the nanny state; if you like the results of the Michigan economy run by unions (the first state to hit 15 percent unemployment) — or worse, the California economy — and you want to turn the whole of America into one big Michigan or one big California, YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.

If you think all your friends deserve a government job for life and should belong to a government employees union and get paid obscene salaries far higher than the private sector and receive bloated pensions for life and receive free healthcare for life and a guaranteed job for life, even though many of them couldn't get a private sector job, all for just sitting at a desk for 25 years looking at their watch waiting for retirement at age 50 so they can collect a fat pension for the next 40 (or more) years, and you want to pay for all that on the taxpayer's dime, YOU MAY BE A SOCIALIST.

By the way — if after all that you're a Columbia University economics professor, and you ever gave a student named Barack Obama an A, YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.

If you think school choice and charter schools and vouchers are bad, even though they have helped countless minority children trapped in failing hellholes called public schools; if you think competition is bad and public schools should have no competition; if you think rewarding good teachers with higher pay and firing bad teachers is a bad idea; if you think people have no right to decide where to use their own property tax money to choose the best education possible for their children; YOU MIGHT BE A SOCIALIST.

And If you think it's perfectly fine to appoint a Supreme Court justice for life, who thinks that a Latina woman can make better decisions from the bench than a white male simply because of the color of her skin, YOU MIGHT BE A RACIST.

Ladies and gentleman I think it's safe to say that our country, our economy, our education system, and capitalism itself is being run and ruined by SOCIALISTS, RACISTS, and IDIOTS.

It's time to stand up; it's time to fight; it's time to put manners and politeness aside; it's time to offend; it's time to yell, scream, protest and get angry; it's time to take action; it's time to take back our country before there is no country or economy left to take back, before the American Dream is dead, before capitalism is destroyed, before our children are enslaved by big government and big taxes for generations to come . . . I believe that it is time for a citizen revolution.

Some Guy wrote on Jul 21^st, 2009 at 6:08am:


that used to fill me with hope, but now... hope is a bad word!

Pdog wrote on Jul 21^st, 2009 at 9:08am:




Pdog how, and why do you continue to try and throw Bush into the mix here?! Let's be 110% clear here. Barack Obama has spent more than four times what Bush did in his two four year terms as president! In six months Barry has outspent every leader of ANY NATION IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF CIVILIZATION!!! Do you get it?!?! It's one thing to try and make the "two wrongs make a right" argument, but that doesn't even play here! Barry has far outspent what Bush spent! It's not even close! Obama is bankrupting future generations of Americans. Bush has absolutely nothing what-so-ever to do with it!! Get over Bush ffs! It's Obama who is intentionally destroying the free market system that has made America the most successful nation in the history of mankind.




Riffy

Bingo wrote on Jul 21^st, 2009 at 9:41am:

 

And that argument might have even the slimmest chance of holding some weight if there were any truth behind it. However, everyone that knew anything about Obama predicted months ago that he would do exactly what he is doing now. Everyone that had any sense of the man's own personal history knew that he was going to try and socialize the US economy, and now surprise surprise, he's doing just that!


Bush hasn't a damned thing to do with the insane spending spree that Barry has taken us on now. Keep telling yourselves that though. If that's what it takes to make you feel better about this failed president have at it! Some of us saw this coming long before the election though, and I personally would be more than happy to peruse the archives just to prove that point.



Riffy

By negating the effect that W's deregulation has had on our economy, you miss the point.
Clinton wasn't blameless in this deregulation either.

The day W was appointed, board rooms around the country celebrated. They continued
the party (on your dime) for years. Worldbank, Enron, etc. W did them right, us not so much.

After they have gambled your money away, W and Obama refilled their/our piggie banks.
Had he not done so, your bank would not have your deposits, or mine.

So Obama is spending too much?

You cry a lot now, can't imagine the balling that would occur if you got a big ZERO on your last bank/401k statement.

Mongo just a pawn in game of life . . .